The Syndicate

Posted: **Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:04 am**

Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:58 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:49 pm
Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:48 pm LC is claiming my role. I think he might be the reason Jack didn’t get my gift.
Mafia have customized fake claims.
My role is real. I think LC copied it or somehow took the leaf I was giving Jack. It’s called a mana leaf. The properties hk gives are slightly off from what I make though. You have to spend one mana to make two more of one color (so it doesn’t “boost it by two”). Could have easily just missed the cost though.

Well, I have given out Mana Leafs to two living people. Did I copy your role permanently?

Posted: **Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:10 am**

Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 10:05 pm The questions are:
1) Why would LC lie so openly while I’m still alive?
2) Why not silence me immediately after?

Mac also suspected LC though, and his block ability could be perceived as the bigger threat. Did they just think I wouldn’t notice?

You can read my ISO. I hinted at my role since Day 2 when I started posting, way before he did. It’s not a fake claim. I can make anyone a leaf tonight (I gave yesterday’s to Mac because only he and Jack volunteered when I asked...).

lol motherfuck

Great questions!

1. He probably wouldn't. Are you saying I copied you ability permanently? It's really not that compelling an ability. If I were an evil ability copier, why wouldn't I steal something that was a "bigger threat"? Hmm..

2. I don't have the ability to silence anyone.

You think giving Mana Leafs is a threat?

Posted: **Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:16 am**

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 10:17 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 10:12 pm
Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:58 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:49 pm
Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:48 pm LC is claiming my role. I think he might be the reason Jack didn’t get my gift.
Mafia have customized fake claims.
My role is real. I think LC copied it or somehow took the leaf I was giving Jack. It’s called a mana leaf. The properties hk gives are slightly off from what I make though. You have to spend one mana to make two more of one color (so it doesn’t “boost it by two”). Could have easily just missed the cost though.
Why does he need to make up such a blatantly false fake claim if he was given a customized one by the host?
I'm trying to figure that out. It's possible there are two people that hand out maple leaf cards.

If one of us is fake, it's Enrique. I'm town, my ability is Mana Leafs, and it has been from the start.

Posted: **Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:17 am**

Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 10:45 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:59 pm someone sent me a card last night, i don't want them to claim or say what it was, just don't send again cos it's no use to me thanks.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 1:02 pm I don't remove votes... my ability just helps people turn over a new leaf.
Immediately preceding the maple syrup conversation. Legit?

I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're trying to do here. Did you send dunya a Leaf or did I?

Posted: **Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:20 am**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:17 pm Where the heck is LC's claim? Like where have we gotten the idea that LC specifically caused the mana thingie to go to HK instead of me?

LC acted ignorant to me not getting the leaf from Enrique.

The main thing I remember about LC's play is that he had the same reasoning as me re: giving 6 mana doesn't make Epi town AND that he then went after Epi, who had just claimed mason with dead Marmot, who had flipped mason.

It's all mixed signals, ya know?

What? I didn't go after Epi after Marmot flipped mason.

Posted: **Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:26 am**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:03 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 10:55 pm You all can continue as you will but I'm asking this:

Name your top suspect.
Name your top civilian.
Epi civvy, LC sus

This is the worst. Pretty sure you can't pick a confirmed town as your top civilian, the exercise is supposed to get your opinions. And jumping on Enrique's weird fantasy is doubly shady.

Town: TSP
Scum: falcon

Posted: **Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:28 am**

Enrique, who have you give Leafs to each night?

Posted: **Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:44 am**

Looks like no one is here. I'm going to work, I'll try to check in at lunch.

Posted: **Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:44 am**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 10:56 pm
Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:15 pm The mafia prioritized yeeting Wilgy over JPIC. They were both good yeet candidates, but at least Wilgy was innocent. If JPIC had been lynched and flipped civ instead we would be justified in speculating about Wilgy. It’s no guarantee of anything but the result does not make jpic look better. I want to hear people’s interpretations of this.
I think if I'm a wolf and JPIC and Wilgy are both town, I yeet JPIC. I just think he's the better player. That's not a lock. I scumread JPIC anyhow though.

This is all WIFOM though.

Nobody is asking the important question of whether the wolves controlled last phase and from my perspective, yes, they did. We've had three mischops in a row and I'm still being suspected - that sounds pretty great for the wolves, I'm the designated misyeet for D4.

Don't be surprised when I flip town and our town core have led us to another mischop. Why is nobody suspecting the people who crossvoted with each other?

Posted: **Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:45 am**

Long Con, do you think Enrique is town or mafia?

Posted: **Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:46 am**

Urist wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:43 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:42 pm Are 112 and JPIC consensus not-town-reads?
Myself and Mac view 112 as not mafia.
Mac is dead ofc so

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:32 pm In my time in post cap jail I observed HK essentially outing himself as mafia. I believe HK and 112 are teammates.

Posted: **Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:00 am**

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:45 am Long Con, do you think Enrique is town or mafia?

I think he's town. This doesn't look like a fake case, just a silly one.

Posted: **Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:10 am**

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:46 am
Urist wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:43 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:42 pm Are 112 and JPIC consensus not-town-reads?
Myself and Mac view 112 as not mafia.
Mac is dead ofc so

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:32 pm In my time in post cap jail I observed HK essentially outing himself as mafia. I believe HK and 112 are teammates.

Oh right ok well maybe I'm wrong on 112. Would still prefer to axe the actively-scummy hk first.

Posted: **Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:12 am**

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:10 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:46 am
Urist wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:43 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:42 pm Are 112 and JPIC consensus not-town-reads?
Myself and Mac view 112 as not mafia.
Mac is dead ofc so

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:32 pm In my time in post cap jail I observed HK essentially outing himself as mafia. I believe HK and 112 are teammates.

Oh right ok well maybe I'm wrong on 112. Would still prefer to axe the actively-scummy hk first.

Why do you scumread HK?

Posted: **Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:27 am**

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:44 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 10:56 pm
Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:15 pm The mafia prioritized yeeting Wilgy over JPIC. They were both good yeet candidates, but at least Wilgy was innocent. If JPIC had been lynched and flipped civ instead we would be justified in speculating about Wilgy. It’s no guarantee of anything but the result does not make jpic look better. I want to hear people’s interpretations of this.
I think if I'm a wolf and JPIC and Wilgy are both town, I yeet JPIC. I just think he's the better player. That's not a lock. I scumread JPIC anyhow though.
This is all WIFOM though.

Nobody is asking the important question of whether the wolves controlled last phase and from my perspective, yes, they did. We've had three mischops in a row and I'm still being suspected - that sounds pretty great for the wolves, I'm the designated misyeet for D4.

Don't be surprised when I flip town and our town core have led us to another mischop. Why is nobody suspecting the people who crossvoted with each other?

Because it’s such level one play to cross vote.

None of this feels townie. Like that’s your best lead? Cross voting?

Posted: **Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:29 am**

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:10 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:46 am
Urist wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:43 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:42 pm Are 112 and JPIC consensus not-town-reads?
Myself and Mac view 112 as not mafia.
Mac is dead ofc so

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:32 pm In my time in post cap jail I observed HK essentially outing himself as mafia. I believe HK and 112 are teammates.

Oh right ok well maybe I'm wrong on 112. Would still prefer to axe the actively-scummy hk first.

this, btw, is one of the reasons I scum read you so hard. you've been up my butt for days now but all you do is kvetch about it. You're not willing to actually [i[push[/i] me but you're totally willing to keep spewing "HK is a wolf guys" into the thread.

Posted: **Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:32 am**

Mac: HK is outted and scum with 112.
Falcon: What makes you say that?
Mac:

So drink on this. Do wolves kill Mac if he’s accusing townies or wolves there?

Posted: **Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:44 am**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:27 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:44 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 10:56 pm
Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:15 pm The mafia prioritized yeeting Wilgy over JPIC. They were both good yeet candidates, but at least Wilgy was innocent. If JPIC had been lynched and flipped civ instead we would be justified in speculating about Wilgy. It’s no guarantee of anything but the result does not make jpic look better. I want to hear people’s interpretations of this.
I think if I'm a wolf and JPIC and Wilgy are both town, I yeet JPIC. I just think he's the better player. That's not a lock. I scumread JPIC anyhow though.
This is all WIFOM though.

Nobody is asking the important question of whether the wolves controlled last phase and from my perspective, yes, they did. We've had three mischops in a row and I'm still being suspected - that sounds pretty great for the wolves, I'm the designated misyeet for D4.

Don't be surprised when I flip town and our town core have led us to another mischop. Why is nobody suspecting the people who crossvoted with each other?
Because it’s such level one play to cross vote.

None of this feels townie. Like that’s your best lead? Cross voting?

And yet that’s likely what happened. If wolves cross vote then who cares who gets yeeted as long as it’s not one of them.

What if everybody gets at least one vote. Well there you go, another town yeet.

I ask you this: did wolves control the votes or not?

Posted: **Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:28 am**

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:26 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:03 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 10:55 pm You all can continue as you will but I'm asking this:

Name your top suspect.
Name your top civilian.
Epi civvy, LC sus
This is the worst. Pretty sure you can't pick a confirmed town as your top civilian, the exercise is supposed to get your opinions. And jumping on Enrique's weird fantasy is doubly shady.

Town: TSP
Scum: falcon

Sorry, I didn't read that rule anywhere. Interesting you single me out, when others did the same.

It wouldn't be because I'm sussing you, right?

No, thats never why

Posted: **Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:31 am**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:32 am Mac: HK is outted and scum with 112.
Falcon: What makes you say that?
Mac:

So drink on this. Do wolves kill Mac if he’s accusing townies or wolves there?

Why are the wolves allowing a confirmed townie to live?

Posted: **Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:57 am**

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:44 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:27 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:44 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 10:56 pm
Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:15 pm The mafia prioritized yeeting Wilgy over JPIC. They were both good yeet candidates, but at least Wilgy was innocent. If JPIC had been lynched and flipped civ instead we would be justified in speculating about Wilgy. It’s no guarantee of anything but the result does not make jpic look better. I want to hear people’s interpretations of this.
I think if I'm a wolf and JPIC and Wilgy are both town, I yeet JPIC. I just think he's the better player. That's not a lock. I scumread JPIC anyhow though.
This is all WIFOM though.

Nobody is asking the important question of whether the wolves controlled last phase and from my perspective, yes, they did. We've had three mischops in a row and I'm still being suspected - that sounds pretty great for the wolves, I'm the designated misyeet for D4.

Don't be surprised when I flip town and our town core have led us to another mischop. Why is nobody suspecting the people who crossvoted with each other?
Because it’s such level one play to cross vote.

None of this feels townie. Like that’s your best lead? Cross voting?
And yet that’s likely what happened. If wolves cross vote then who cares who gets yeeted as long as it’s not one of them.

What if everybody gets at least one vote. Well there you go, another town yeet.

I ask you this: did wolves control the votes or not?

Likely based on what?

If everybody gets one vote, whoever placed the last vote is wolf claiming because that action allows wolves to yeet the player of their choice. What does that have to do with crossvoting?

Wolves controlled their own votes. Consensus two players to receive 0 votes were you and Wilgy, and that’s what we got. So no, wolves didn’t control the votes yesterday, just the yeet between you and Wilgy. They chose Wilgy.

Posted: **Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:00 pm**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:31 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:32 am Mac: HK is outted and scum with 112.
Falcon: What makes you say that?
Mac:

So drink on this. Do wolves kill Mac if he’s accusing townies or wolves there?
Why are the wolves allowing a confirmed townie to live?

Because he’s roughly confirmed as vanilla and there are other consensus townreads that presumably have abilities.

Plus doc dodge.

Plus maybe reads are being taken into account.

So I ask again. Is Mac shot because he’s right and wolves don’t want him to say why? Or is Mac shot because he’s wrong and wolves want us to sheep him?

Posted: **Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:04 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:57 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:44 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:27 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:44 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 10:56 pm
Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:15 pm The mafia prioritized yeeting Wilgy over JPIC. They were both good yeet candidates, but at least Wilgy was innocent. If JPIC had been lynched and flipped civ instead we would be justified in speculating about Wilgy. It’s no guarantee of anything but the result does not make jpic look better. I want to hear people’s interpretations of this.
I think if I'm a wolf and JPIC and Wilgy are both town, I yeet JPIC. I just think he's the better player. That's not a lock. I scumread JPIC anyhow though.
This is all WIFOM though.

Nobody is asking the important question of whether the wolves controlled last phase and from my perspective, yes, they did. We've had three mischops in a row and I'm still being suspected - that sounds pretty great for the wolves, I'm the designated misyeet for D4.

Don't be surprised when I flip town and our town core have led us to another mischop. Why is nobody suspecting the people who crossvoted with each other?
Because it’s such level one play to cross vote.

None of this feels townie. Like that’s your best lead? Cross voting?
And yet that’s likely what happened. If wolves cross vote then who cares who gets yeeted as long as it’s not one of them.

What if everybody gets at least one vote. Well there you go, another town yeet.

I ask you this: did wolves control the votes or not?
Likely based on what?

If everybody gets one vote, whoever placed the last vote is wolf claiming because that action allows wolves to yeet the player of their choice. What does that have to do with crossvoting?

Wolves controlled their own votes. Consensus two players to receive 0 votes were you and Wilgy, and that’s what we got. So no, wolves didn’t control the votes yesterday, just the yeet between you and Wilgy. They chose Wilgy.

Like we were in a world where the only way we ever yeet a wolf is if we correctly pick out two wolves on D3 after yeeting townies on D1 and D2 and where Dr Wilgy is town.

So basically, a world where a wolf yeet is just fucking impossible to begin with.

And his belief is that in this world where a wolf yeet is never going to happen, wolves cross vote and tie themselves together to avoid yeet at all costs.

Absolute nonsense.

[VOTE: Justplayingitcool] aubergine

Posted: **Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:06 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:02 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:49 pm
Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:48 pm LC is claiming my role. I think he might be the reason Jack didn’t get my gift.
Mafia have customized fake claims.
They do have fake claims, what exactly do you mean by "customized"?

Spoiler: show

If you’re gonna try to accuse me of a slip of some sort, make sure I’m not just reciting the very first words posted in the thread.

Posted: **Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:08 pm**

I’ve only just got here and only read what is immediately accessible to me. JPIC seems to be mafia. 112 seems to be mafia. I have no understanding of the mechanics involved in the read on LC, but he can be mafia. The fourth could be in Enrique/hollowkatt, or someplace else. Idk. Omly about 5% of this game.

Posted: **Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:10 pm**

Sloonei can be town. He’s not core but he feels town enough.

Posted: **Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:14 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:00 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:31 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:32 am Mac: HK is outted and scum with 112.
Falcon: What makes you say that?
Mac:

So drink on this. Do wolves kill Mac if he’s accusing townies or wolves there?
Why are the wolves allowing a confirmed townie to live?
Because he’s roughly confirmed as vanilla and there are other consensus townreads that presumably have abilities.

Plus doc dodge.

Plus maybe reads are being taken into account.

So I ask again. Is Mac shot because he’s right and wolves don’t want him to say why? Or is Mac shot because he’s wrong and wolves want us to sheep him?

I don't know, I'm not a wolf

Posted: **Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:16 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:06 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:02 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:49 pm
Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:48 pm LC is claiming my role. I think he might be the reason Jack didn’t get my gift.
Mafia have customized fake claims.
They do have fake claims, what exactly do you mean by "customized"?

Spoiler: show

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:38 pm
Closed Setup Role Madness. 100 posts per day (cap lifted 1 hour before EoD), 48/24, 6 pm SoD/EoD, Night Closed. Mafia provided customly tailored fakeclaims. Starts as soon as filled.

If you’re gonna try to accuse me of a slip of some sort, make sure I’m not just reciting the very first words posted in the thread.

No, not a slip. That would have been

. Probably some residual wtf seeped in from Enrique's accusation. I still wants to know the difference between a customized fake claim and a regular one, but I see that you don't have the answers.

Posted: **Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:17 pm**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:28 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:26 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:03 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 10:55 pm You all can continue as you will but I'm asking this:

Name your top suspect.
Name your top civilian.
Epi civvy, LC sus
This is the worst. Pretty sure you can't pick a confirmed town as your top civilian, the exercise is supposed to get your opinions. And jumping on Enrique's weird fantasy is doubly shady.

Town: TSP
Scum: falcon
Sorry, I didn't read that rule anywhere. Interesting you single me out, when others did the same.

It wouldn't be because I'm sussing you, right?

No, thats never why

Probably.

Posted: **Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:18 pm**

Still Shady that you jumped on the case against me so easily when it's based on saying my proven ability is not my ability.

Posted: **Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:18 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:06 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:02 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:49 pm
Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:48 pm LC is claiming my role. I think he might be the reason Jack didn’t get my gift.
Mafia have customized fake claims.
They do have fake claims, what exactly do you mean by "customized"?

Spoiler: show

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:38 pm
Closed Setup Role Madness. 100 posts per day (cap lifted 1 hour before EoD), 48/24, 6 pm SoD/EoD, Night Closed. Mafia provided customly tailored fakeclaims. Starts as soon as filled.

If you’re gonna try to accuse me of a slip of some sort, make sure I’m not just reciting the very first words posted in the thread.
No, not a slip. That would have been . Probably some residual wtf seeped in from Enrique's accusation. I still wants to know the difference between a customized fake claim and a regular one, but I see that you don't have the answers.

I would assume it means each member of the team has their own unique fake claim based on their role/abilities.

Posted: **Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:27 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:08 pm I’ve only just got here and only read what is immediately accessible to me. JPIC seems to be mafia. 112 seems to be mafia. I have no understanding of the mechanics involved in the read on LC, but he can be mafia. The fourth could be in Enrique/hollowkatt, or someplace else. Idk. Omly about 5% of this game.

I have not seen a reason to townread falcon either

Posted: **Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:29 pm**

I would need to eliminate one person from the POE pool of 112/JPIC/LC/hk/Enrique/falcon. We only have one mischop (assuming standard progression) so the POE needs to be no more than 5.

Posted: **Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:41 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:04 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:57 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:44 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:27 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:44 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 10:56 pm
Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:15 pm The mafia prioritized yeeting Wilgy over JPIC. They were both good yeet candidates, but at least Wilgy was innocent. If JPIC had been lynched and flipped civ instead we would be justified in speculating about Wilgy. It’s no guarantee of anything but the result does not make jpic look better. I want to hear people’s interpretations of this.
I think if I'm a wolf and JPIC and Wilgy are both town, I yeet JPIC. I just think he's the better player. That's not a lock. I scumread JPIC anyhow though.
This is all WIFOM though.

Nobody is asking the important question of whether the wolves controlled last phase and from my perspective, yes, they did. We've had three mischops in a row and I'm still being suspected - that sounds pretty great for the wolves, I'm the designated misyeet for D4.

Don't be surprised when I flip town and our town core have led us to another mischop. Why is nobody suspecting the people who crossvoted with each other?
Because it’s such level one play to cross vote.

None of this feels townie. Like that’s your best lead? Cross voting?
And yet that’s likely what happened. If wolves cross vote then who cares who gets yeeted as long as it’s not one of them.

What if everybody gets at least one vote. Well there you go, another town yeet.

I ask you this: did wolves control the votes or not?
Likely based on what?

If everybody gets one vote, whoever placed the last vote is wolf claiming because that action allows wolves to yeet the player of their choice. What does that have to do with crossvoting?

Wolves controlled their own votes. Consensus two players to receive 0 votes were you and Wilgy, and that’s what we got. So no, wolves didn’t control the votes yesterday, just the yeet between you and Wilgy. They chose Wilgy.
Like we were in a world where the only way we ever yeet a wolf is if we correctly pick out two wolves on D3 after yeeting townies on D1 and D2 and where Dr Wilgy is town.

So basically, a world where a wolf yeet is just fucking impossible to begin with.

And his belief is that in this world where a wolf yeet is never going to happen, wolves cross vote and tie themselves together to avoid yeet at all costs.

Absolute nonsense.

[VOTE: Justplayingitcool] aubergine

...

How? If the wolves crossvote it's literally fucking impossible for us to have enough protection to ensure that a wolf is on the chopping board.

Posted: **Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:41 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:00 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:31 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:32 am Mac: HK is outted and scum with 112.
Falcon: What makes you say that?
Mac:

So drink on this. Do wolves kill Mac if he’s accusing townies or wolves there?
Why are the wolves allowing a confirmed townie to live?
Because he’s roughly confirmed as vanilla and there are other consensus townreads that presumably have abilities.

Plus doc dodge.

Plus maybe reads are being taken into account.

So I ask again. Is Mac shot because he’s right and wolves don’t want him to say why? Or is Mac shot because he’s wrong and wolves want us to sheep him?

our doc is dead

Posted: **Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:43 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:29 pm I would need to eliminate one person from the POE pool of 112/JPIC/LC/hk/Enrique/falcon. We only have one mischop (assuming standard progression) so the POE needs to be no more than 5.

@Justplayingitcool @112 @Long Con @hollowkatt @Enrique @falcon45ca

Besides yourself, which one of these people is town?
Is there anyone not on this list that you think should be?

Posted: **Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:44 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:43 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:29 pm I would need to eliminate one person from the POE pool of 112/JPIC/LC/hk/Enrique/falcon. We only have one mischop (assuming standard progression) so the POE needs to be no more than 5.
@Justplayingitcool @112 @Long Con @hollowkatt @Enrique @falcon45ca

Besides yourself, which one of these people is town?
Is there anyone not on this list that you think should be?

hollowkatt. I also think falcon is town, maybe

Posted: **Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:45 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:43 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:29 pm I would need to eliminate one person from the POE pool of 112/JPIC/LC/hk/Enrique/falcon. We only have one mischop (assuming standard progression) so the POE needs to be no more than 5.
@Justplayingitcool @112 @Long Con @hollowkatt @Enrique @falcon45ca

Besides yourself, which one of these people is town?
Is there anyone not on this list that you think should be?

Enrique is town

Posted: **Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:45 pm**

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:44 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:43 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:29 pm I would need to eliminate one person from the POE pool of 112/JPIC/LC/hk/Enrique/falcon. We only have one mischop (assuming standard progression) so the POE needs to be no more than 5.
@Justplayingitcool @112 @Long Con @hollowkatt @Enrique @falcon45ca

Besides yourself, which one of these people is town?
Is there anyone not on this list that you think should be?
hollowkatt. I also think falcon is town, maybe

Why? Why?

If all three of you are town then there is one more wolf escaping my gaze. Who is it?

Posted: **Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:45 pm**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:45 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:43 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:29 pm I would need to eliminate one person from the POE pool of 112/JPIC/LC/hk/Enrique/falcon. We only have one mischop (assuming standard progression) so the POE needs to be no more than 5.
@Justplayingitcool @112 @Long Con @hollowkatt @Enrique @falcon45ca

Besides yourself, which one of these people is town?
Is there anyone not on this list that you think should be?
Enrique is town

Why?

Posted: **Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:48 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:45 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:44 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:43 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:29 pm I would need to eliminate one person from the POE pool of 112/JPIC/LC/hk/Enrique/falcon. We only have one mischop (assuming standard progression) so the POE needs to be no more than 5.
@Justplayingitcool @112 @Long Con @hollowkatt @Enrique @falcon45ca

Besides yourself, which one of these people is town?
Is there anyone not on this list that you think should be?
hollowkatt. I also think falcon is town, maybe
Why? Why?

If all three of you are town then there is one more wolf escaping my gaze. Who is it?

hollowkatt's push on ted felt towny. falcon I had been agreeing on most of the game, but I had lost confidence in the read because I had been wrong all game. Two of my biggest suspects were consecutively killed during the night (kyle/marmot).

We have mischopped town three days in a row. The sanctity of the towncore has probably meant someone escaped from the PoE and has defiled it. I think Urist should be in the PoE

Posted: **Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:49 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:45 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:45 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:43 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:29 pm I would need to eliminate one person from the POE pool of 112/JPIC/LC/hk/Enrique/falcon. We only have one mischop (assuming standard progression) so the POE needs to be no more than 5.
@Justplayingitcool @112 @Long Con @hollowkatt @Enrique @falcon45ca

Besides yourself, which one of these people is town?
Is there anyone not on this list that you think should be?
Enrique is town
Why?

general vibe of game solving to his posts. He came alive after being absent for the start of the game, but he's put an effort into the game that I just don't see a wolf doing. If he's a wolf, I think he'd have just kept up his absence.

Posted: **Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:50 pm**

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:48 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:45 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:44 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:43 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:29 pm I would need to eliminate one person from the POE pool of 112/JPIC/LC/hk/Enrique/falcon. We only have one mischop (assuming standard progression) so the POE needs to be no more than 5.
@Justplayingitcool @112 @Long Con @hollowkatt @Enrique @falcon45ca

Besides yourself, which one of these people is town?
Is there anyone not on this list that you think should be?
hollowkatt. I also think falcon is town, maybe
Why? Why?

If all three of you are town then there is one more wolf escaping my gaze. Who is it?
hollowkatt's push on ted felt towny. falcon I had been agreeing on most of the game, but I had lost confidence in the read because I had been wrong all game. Two of my biggest suspects were consecutively killed during the night (kyle/marmot).

We have mischopped town three days in a row. The sanctity of the towncore has probably meant someone escaped from the PoE and has defiled it. I think Urist should be in the PoE

I feel this way about my reads as well.

Posted: **Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:58 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:43 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:29 pm I would need to eliminate one person from the POE pool of 112/JPIC/LC/hk/Enrique/falcon. We only have one mischop (assuming standard progression) so the POE needs to be no more than 5.
@Justplayingitcool @112 @Long Con @hollowkatt @Enrique @falcon45ca

Besides yourself, which one of these people is town?
Is there anyone not on this list that you think should be?

I think Enrique is town

Posted: **Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:35 pm**

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:41 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:04 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:57 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:44 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:27 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:44 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 10:56 pm

I think if I'm a wolf and JPIC and Wilgy are both town, I yeet JPIC. I just think he's the better player. That's not a lock. I scumread JPIC anyhow though.
This is all WIFOM though.

Nobody is asking the important question of whether the wolves controlled last phase and from my perspective, yes, they did. We've had three mischops in a row and I'm still being suspected - that sounds pretty great for the wolves, I'm the designated misyeet for D4.

Don't be surprised when I flip town and our town core have led us to another mischop. Why is nobody suspecting the people who crossvoted with each other?
Because it’s such level one play to cross vote.

None of this feels townie. Like that’s your best lead? Cross voting?
And yet that’s likely what happened. If wolves cross vote then who cares who gets yeeted as long as it’s not one of them.

What if everybody gets at least one vote. Well there you go, another town yeet.

I ask you this: did wolves control the votes or not?
Likely based on what?

If everybody gets one vote, whoever placed the last vote is wolf claiming because that action allows wolves to yeet the player of their choice. What does that have to do with crossvoting?

Wolves controlled their own votes. Consensus two players to receive 0 votes were you and Wilgy, and that’s what we got. So no, wolves didn’t control the votes yesterday, just the yeet between you and Wilgy. They chose Wilgy.
Like we were in a world where the only way we ever yeet a wolf is if we correctly pick out two wolves on D3 after yeeting townies on D1 and D2 and where Dr Wilgy is town.

So basically, a world where a wolf yeet is just fucking impossible to begin with.

And his belief is that in this world where a wolf yeet is never going to happen, wolves cross vote and tie themselves together to avoid yeet at all costs.

Absolute nonsense.

[VOTE: Justplayingitcool] aubergine
...

How? If the wolves crossvote it's literally fucking impossible for us to have enough protection to ensure that a wolf is on the chopping board.

A wolf wasn’t on the chopping board anyway unless somebody decided to vote Wilgy.

Posted: **Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:37 pm**

In a world where exactly one player in @Sloonei ’s poe is town, its Enrique.

Posted: **Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:38 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:35 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:41 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:04 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:57 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:44 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:27 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:44 am

This is all WIFOM though.

Nobody is asking the important question of whether the wolves controlled last phase and from my perspective, yes, they did. We've had three mischops in a row and I'm still being suspected - that sounds pretty great for the wolves, I'm the designated misyeet for D4.

Don't be surprised when I flip town and our town core have led us to another mischop. Why is nobody suspecting the people who crossvoted with each other?
Because it’s such level one play to cross vote.

None of this feels townie. Like that’s your best lead? Cross voting?
And yet that’s likely what happened. If wolves cross vote then who cares who gets yeeted as long as it’s not one of them.

What if everybody gets at least one vote. Well there you go, another town yeet.

I ask you this: did wolves control the votes or not?
Likely based on what?

If everybody gets one vote, whoever placed the last vote is wolf claiming because that action allows wolves to yeet the player of their choice. What does that have to do with crossvoting?

Wolves controlled their own votes. Consensus two players to receive 0 votes were you and Wilgy, and that’s what we got. So no, wolves didn’t control the votes yesterday, just the yeet between you and Wilgy. They chose Wilgy.
Like we were in a world where the only way we ever yeet a wolf is if we correctly pick out two wolves on D3 after yeeting townies on D1 and D2 and where Dr Wilgy is town.

So basically, a world where a wolf yeet is just fucking impossible to begin with.

And his belief is that in this world where a wolf yeet is never going to happen, wolves cross vote and tie themselves together to avoid yeet at all costs.

Absolute nonsense.

[VOTE: Justplayingitcool] aubergine
...

How? If the wolves crossvote it's literally fucking impossible for us to have enough protection to ensure that a wolf is on the chopping board.
A wolf wasn’t on the chopping board anyway unless somebody decided to vote Wilgy.

Wilgy had 3 posts yesterday and 25 posts total. He was always going to be one of the two tied players.

Posted: **Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:41 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:37 pm In a world where exactly one player in @Sloonei ’s poe is town, its Enrique.

I listed 6 players and we know there are only 4 mafia. So at least 2 of them should be town.

Posted: **Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:19 pm**

I said what I said.

Posted: **Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:15 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:41 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:37 pm In a world where exactly one player in @Sloonei ’s poe is town, its Enrique.
I listed 6 players and we know there are only 4 mafia. So at least 2 of them should be town.

you're reading for content but the context is also important to note.

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