The Syndicate

Good night sorry

Thank you for that, [mention]wolbre04[/mention].

Now, if time permits, I think your next goal should be exactly what you suggested. Investigate the voting patterns from Day 5 specifically pertaining to Pennywise and Dom. That the latter was the second choice and ended up lynched is significant and needs to be examined.

Ooh fun! I'll play.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 11:55 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 11:51 pm Either way, something you said does give me an idea Mac. It is going to be difficult given the time constraints in 24/24, but we have nothing better to try as far as I can see.

First, everyone needs to select the two players you think are LEAST likely to be mafia members. Please respond quickly. Don't include yourselves.

Kylemii
MacDougall

@Dragon D. Luffy
@insertnamehere
@Kylemii
@Long Con
@Marmot
@novaselinenever
@Pennywise
@wolbre04

Please respond ASAP.

Long Con
wolbre04

I need a quick shower for allergy relief. Maintain this momentum, everyone. We are setting the stage to repay our tormentors.

Lol if JJJ is the civ vig that killed civ Epi, Epi is going to be a saucy boy.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 12:30 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 12:28 am DDL has had a consistent position on Marmot that Marmot has been very ignorant towards. I don't really know how to read that?

Day 4 and Day 5 DDL has tried to push for Marmot wagons so I expect when he sees what is going on he is going to be a happy camper? I doubt they are teammates but it's strange that marmot has ignored him so much.

Perhaps Marmot feels no intrinsic urgency to challenge DDL's suspicion given that in his mindset it is known to be false.

I honestly don't know what you guys are talking about.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 10:11 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 10:05 pm all other night murders have said "killed" i wonder if epignosis was killed by one of the snipers

I strongly believe this to be true.

this is the post that made me think this,

long con wasn't the doctor, and "strongly believe" was a strong reaction to a theory that relied specifically on word choice, plus he responded to me in like 6 minutes. unnaturally fast for someone to agree with me, Kylemii, the guy who is notoriously and frequently wrong about things.

the only players who would be able to say that with such confidence would be either the player who killed epi, or one of the players who meant to kill someone else, and came in to find out that their kill choice didn't happen.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 3:18 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 1:19 pm Guys what if mafia is missing kills and they are getting randomized?

That is not what I believe is happening.

and this one later too, also in regards to epignosis's death

Answer me this:

If you were a Mafia on a day like today how would you play it?

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 3:17 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 1:06 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 1:03 pm I kind of feel the Jack lynch but guys I wanna bring up another problem.

What do we do with the inactives?

Cuz we have 3 of them and we are rapidly approaching lylo. With 3 inactives, we approach it faster. Right now if exclude them, the setup is 6-4-1. How long till mafia just overpowers us?

I wanna lynch an inactive.

There are better ways to handle that problem.

Agreed. So long as my vote isn't needed in order to lynch the proper person today, I'll be voting for an inactive so that our vig can kill them.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 8:54 pm I voted for that vig possibility.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 7:56 pm Lynch Jack, vig INH. IF INH isn't bad, lynch juliets. That's my ideal plan going forward. I think juliets is bad, and maybe trying to steer the vig away from her actual low-poster teammate.

also this continued interest in giving the vigilante gateways to good murders, except i'm now realizing that since the vigs were all one-shot that lc is actually pretty unlikely to really have ever been the activated vigilante because he would have been more knowledgeable about the mechanics of the role, he would have known it was a one shot ability that spreading out votes for sniper reach wouldn't be necessary

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:07 am Answer me this:

If you were a Mafia on a day like today how would you play it?

Ask questions like this.

Oh LC is either the indy or the civvie activator got it.

novaselinever is self voting, was that supposed to be a signal?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:10 am Oh LC is either the indy or the civvie activator got it.

what makes you say that?

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:08 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:07 am Answer me this:

If you were a Mafia on a day like today how would you play it?

Ask questions like this.

No but really.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:11 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:10 am Oh LC is either the indy or the civvie activator got it.

what makes you say that?

The synapses in my brain connecting in such a way so as to formulate the thought that then passed a signal to the part of my brain responsible for typing.

Naegi Makoto doesn't know what roles he activates.

I don't know. I don't determine how I play as a particular alignment, I just play. Sometimes that means farting around all game. Sometimes that means attempting to do analysis and failing. Sometimes that means not doing anything because I don't have the time or energy. I just live it, often reacting to players around me.

[mention]novaselinenever[/mention] please vote for your two biggest civilian reads not including yourself. Leave enough space for us to notice and then return to whoever.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:13 am Naegi Makoto doesn't know what roles he activates.

Who?

i don't think LC is either of those roles

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:15 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:13 am Naegi Makoto doesn't know what roles he activates.

Who?

blue haired kid

it's anime you're not supposed to know the characters' real names, just their hair color and personality archetypes

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 12:57 am Long Con
wolbre04

Thanks. Who is your biggest suspect?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:15 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:15 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:13 am Naegi Makoto doesn't know what roles he activates.

Who?

blue haired kid

Nagisa Shiota: The central character and figurehead of Class 3-E. He may help a trusted player (as opposed to a student) unlock their latent ability during each night phase. *Secrets*

His name is Nagisa no?

Also where does it say he doesn't know what roles he activates?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:17 amHe may help a trusted player (as opposed to a student)

right there

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:16 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 12:57 am Long Con
wolbre04

Thanks. Who is your biggest suspect?

JaggedJimmyJay

You are my biggest suspect because your presence in this thread is massive, and you are a suspect.

That's... about all I've got.

Oh I never read it that way?

Also I don't think that rules anything out?

Let's say he activated a certain player then next night Epi is shot and killed. He's going to assume the player used the vig straight away. Hence why he's not totally sure of things, but is pretty sure.

JJJ
~ Kyle
~ Mac

Mac
~ JJJ
~ wolbre

LC
~ Kyle
~ Mac

Kyle
~ LC
~ Mac

wolbre
~ Mac
~ Kyle

Marmot
~ LC
~ wolbre

With 6 names here I will proceed, but I still want everyone. I'm not saying what I'm doing with this yet.

Koro-Sensei may help a student (as opposed to a player)

octo-dad chooses roles, nagisa chooses players

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:18 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:16 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 12:57 am Long Con
wolbre04

Thanks. Who is your biggest suspect?

JaggedJimmyJay

Your task then should be to build a mafia team around me. One is not enough.

Dom: 7 - INH, Wolbre, DDL, Mac, Juliets, JJJ, Kyle (First to last)
Dragon D. Luffy: 1 - Nova
INH: 1 - Marmot

Did not vote: Dom, Penny

These are just color coded randomly aside from the top portion ^^^

Vote Order:
JJJ -> INH
Marmot -> INH
INh -> Dom
Wolbre04 -> Dom
DDL -> Dom
Juliets-> Dom
Mac -> Dom
DDL-> Nova
JJJ -> Nova
Juliets -> Nova
Nova -> DDL
JJJ -> Penny
Nova -> Mac
LC -> Penny
Juliets -> Dom
JJJ -> Dom
Kyle -> Dom

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]
refer to the very top for order of ppl jumping on Dom.

Juliets, you, and kyle were the last 3 to jump on him. You came from penny and juliets came from nova. Kyle didnt vote before this. Seems a little opportunistic I guess.

Marmot sheeped your vote JJJ and then went afk after you moved it.
Maybe Kyle and Marmot are with Penny? I'm fairly certain Penny might be "offline" and still submitting stuff, otherwise is the afk scum.

Dom: 7 - INH, Wolbre, DDL, Mac, Juliets, JJJ, Kyle (First to last)
Dragon D. Luffy: 1 - Nova
INH: 1 - Marmot

Did not vote: Dom, Penny

These are just color coded randomly aside from the top portion ^^^

Vote Order:
JJJ -> INH
Marmot -> INH
INh -> Dom
Wolbre04 -> Dom
DDL -> Dom
Juliets-> Dom
Mac -> Dom
DDL-> Nova
JJJ -> Nova
Juliets -> Nova
Nova -> DDL
JJJ -> Penny
Nova -> Mac
LC -> Penny
Juliets -> Dom
JJJ -> Dom
Kyle -> Dom

@JaggedJimmyJay
refer to the very top for order of ppl jumping on Dom.

Juliets, you, and kyle were the last 3 to jump on him. You came from penny and juliets came from nova. Kyle didnt vote before this. Seems a little opportunistic I guess.

Marmot sheeped your vote JJJ and then went afk after you moved it.
Maybe Kyle and Marmot are with Penny? I'm fairly certain Penny might be "offline" and still submitting stuff, otherwise is the afk scum.


EDIT: Juliets at the top is dead and was town, fixed

TLDR people bouncing between Penny and Nova and ending up on Dom

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:19 am Oh I never read it that way?

Also I don't think that rules anything out?

Let's say he activated a certain player then next night Epi is shot and killed. He's going to assume the player used the vig straight away. Hence why he's not totally sure of things, but is pretty sure.

no i don't think so. maybe if long con chose a player the night before specifically because they seemed like they'd kill epignosis if they were the civ vigilante and then the next day long con sees that epignosis has been killed, it's.... there'd be too much ambiguity. not enough for long con to be like "yeah i get it, obviously this happened because this player might have been that role"

not to mention my specific theory would have required 2 separate civ roles to have been activated, a doctor and a vigilante.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:20 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:18 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:16 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 12:57 am Long Con
wolbre04

Thanks. Who is your biggest suspect?

JaggedJimmyJay

Your task then should be to build a mafia team around me. One is not enough.

Yeah well, that's a lot of work.

My knowledge of what's going on in this game is vague and incomplete.

Thanks, wolbre. Great work. One thing I am brought to consider:

DDL voiced urgency about the problem of an inactive civilian who isn't voting at LyLo. Mathematically, that is a fair concern. However, it is cancelled out when an inactive mafioso is also not voting at LyLo. The Dom/Pennywise distinction continues to stand out.

I am about to begin my own digging. I will try to remain unbiased until I am through. Everyone keep moving, we're cooking up good shit here.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:26 am Yeah well, that's a lot of work.

My knowledge of what's going on in this game is vague and incomplete.

Look around you. Numerous players are engaging in a lot of work.

If you can't hang then I am forced to wonder why not.

there's too many variables to be an obvious thing within 6 minutes, even with nagisa's insight of what players have been given roles

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:25 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:19 am Oh I never read it that way?

Also I don't think that rules anything out?

Let's say he activated a certain player then next night Epi is shot and killed. He's going to assume the player used the vig straight away. Hence why he's not totally sure of things, but is pretty sure.

no i don't think so. maybe if long con chose a player the night before specifically because they seemed like they'd kill epignosis if they were the civ vigilante and then the next day long con sees that epignosis has been killed, it's.... there'd be too much ambiguity. not enough for long con to be like "yeah i get it, obviously this happened because this player might have been that role"

not to mention my specific theory would have required 2 separate civ roles to have been activated, a doctor and a vigilante.

Let's please be careful about falling into the mechanics vortex. If a question becomes unanswerable, we need to stop asking it. The task ahead is already time-restricted.

I can't stay up much longer, I have early class and I'm incredibly sleep deprived, might jus view the thread here and there when wake up. Good luck guys, let's keep turning this ship around

[mention]novaselinenever[/mention], I see your LC vote. Thank you. Who is the second top civilian read?

I still think there is enough smoke there for me to think LC is one of the role activators. I'm not voting for him.

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:29 am I can't stay up much longer, I have early class and I'm incredibly sleep deprived, might jus view the thread here and there when wake up. Good luck guys, let's keep turning this ship around

Thanks for your help tonight.

Oh and regarding the d5 poll, it didnt concern me that there was a large wagon, so much, it was more the massive jumping around so late in the game that was startling

phase* not game

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:27 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:26 am Yeah well, that's a lot of work.

My knowledge of what's going on in this game is vague and incomplete.

Look around you. Numerous players are engaging in a lot of work.

If you can't hang then I am forced to wonder why not.

Go them!

Also, that's the mildest threat of casting suspicion I ever heard.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:20 am JJJ
~ Kyle
~ Mac

Mac
~ JJJ
~ wolbre

LC
~ Kyle
~ Mac

Kyle
~ LC
~ Mac

wolbre
~ Mac
~ Kyle

Marmot
~ LC
~ wolbre

With 6 names here I will proceed, but I still want everyone. I'm not saying what I'm doing with this yet.

I am the only one who has Jay in their top two?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:28 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:25 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:19 am Oh I never read it that way?

Also I don't think that rules anything out?

Let's say he activated a certain player then next night Epi is shot and killed. He's going to assume the player used the vig straight away. Hence why he's not totally sure of things, but is pretty sure.

no i don't think so. maybe if long con chose a player the night before specifically because they seemed like they'd kill epignosis if they were the civ vigilante and then the next day long con sees that epignosis has been killed, it's.... there'd be too much ambiguity. not enough for long con to be like "yeah i get it, obviously this happened because this player might have been that role"

not to mention my specific theory would have required 2 separate civ roles to have been activated, a doctor and a vigilante.

Let's please be careful about falling into the mechanics vortex. If a question becomes unanswerable, we need to stop asking it. The task ahead is already time-restricted.

i'm only bringing it up because i think long con is a decent candidate for being the pheonix wright guy. he's been specifically more active in this game than he usually is and i think the things i viewed as signs of being the vigilante might actually be signs that he's a mafioso that tipped his hand a little too much. i've wrongfully scumread LC in every single game we've played together since my return in chicka chicka, but not here. maybe that means something.

i'll put him on the back burner for now though.