The Syndicate

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:06 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:59 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:33 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:29 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:27 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:25 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:16 pm Sean is lacktown, so that's nice

Why?

Because your posts are townie and I love you.

I love you too, but it'd help to see some detailed, nuanced thoughts.

At the point where I wrote lacktown, I had just read your questioning of Ender and how you didn't believe the "game state is creepy and I'm tugging my clothes" from the beginning of your questioning. It just reads like real thoughts to me. "I didn't believe it from the beginning of, that's why I'm questioning you, you goose."

I think I read you quite well. When I do, you say "Why?" and demand reasons.

You read me fairly well too, I believe. So I'd prefer it if you town read me and we can be friends and fight crime together.

This post is pockety af. What are you doing here Dizzy?

Inviting Sean to town read me (pocketing) because I’m sure he’s town. That’s what I’m doing.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:46 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:40 pm What do you make of the game state right now? Do you have a decent grasp on who you think the wolves could be?

Turbulent. The vibe is good, but the solving is turbulent. I still feel mostly okay about this POE group, perhaps with Wilgy added:

Creature
Dyslexicon
EnderWiggin
fingersplints
RondoDimBuckle

While acknowledging town accounts exist for these slots. Much of my own turbulence is that many suspects I have called out have been vouched for by someone, often by a town read. That can be healthy enough, but it's challenging. Maybe this is how mountainous feels.

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:51 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:41 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:16 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:06 pm @Boquise how do you feel about these wagons?

I lean Finger town and whilst I am nervous to call Marmot (I saw that little pocket attempt), I currently wouldn't want to meet him.

And the wagons as a whole:
Finger, Marmot, Creature, Lucy, Dizzy, Ender (tho idr if they are a wagon rn) - all match the "weird player not vibing with the thread atmosphere" archetype. In champs this year, this is the archetype that usually got yeeted and most of them were town that couldn't really get into town. I am not saying that all of these players are town, there were scum in champs that also qualified in this archetype.

But it makes me stop and think.
However, looking at the list I wrote, I would add at least Nate and Rondo too (only that I am currently trying to shield both). This is almost the whole player list so wtf yo?

This strikes me as a contradiction.

You are trying to shield me and Finger(? If I read that correctly) yet I currently see her as scum. You havent really addressed me specifically just the wagon in general is there a reason you havent done that yet? I am not sure if that makes sense, it does in my head

It isn't a contradiction.
"I'm not saying that ALL of these players are town" doesn't contradict that I town lean Finger. She isn't all of the players listed tbh

I have interacted and addressed you plenty tbh, have even asked some questions tbh. Imo you're the player I have interacted the most with in total, counting D0 and D1 tbh

This is townie paranoia and townie search for something to bite me for tbh

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:52 pm Rondo is playing seriously
Will be interesting to see if Ender's read evolves tbh

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:08 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:55 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:33 pm Noting that no one reacted to me saying I'd want to check Alison

I am not sure what this means. I would like to know more. You talk a lot about champs and MU stuff that goes over my head

It felt strange because this was the very first time in the thread that Alison got shaded (aside from Mac early D1). And no one cared. Like no "wtf" or "omg". I thought it would generate that. Because. I went against the thread and sussed a top towncore player instead of the bottom.

I'm used to players angrily telling me to stop when I do that.
Idk what to make out of it tho

Also sorry. It is an infection right now tbh, but I will try to stop for the readability of this game

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:06 pm that was unexpected

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:09 pm What do we think of Dizzy?

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:03 am Dammit, Rondo just made the cut

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:03 am I'm going to make an extremely wild read and say that everyone who has posted so far today is town, and the wolves are just silently sitting in wolf chat.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:06 am

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:06 pm that was unexpected

What are your reads now that we have had 4 flips?

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:29 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:10 pm

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:09 pm What do we think of Dizzy?

Do you have an opinion already?

They were mostly null for me yesterday, though they did fit the profile of "middle Falcon voter" (and they now also fit the profile of "middle Wilgy voter"). But I noticed something that made me wonder if I should be paying closer attention to them so I figured I'd see if there are strong feelings either way in the thread. I know you voted for them at one point.

(The thing I noticed really isn't anything to get excited about it just made me "hmm", and I'll be sharing what it is, it's not like a cryptic "tell" that I'll never explain)

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:52 am @Boquise give a full reads list

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:04 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:51 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:41 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:16 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:06 pm @Boquise how do you feel about these wagons?

I lean Finger town and whilst I am nervous to call Marmot (I saw that little pocket attempt), I currently wouldn't want to meet him.

And the wagons as a whole:
Finger, Marmot, Creature, Lucy, Dizzy, Ender (tho idr if they are a wagon rn) - all match the "weird player not vibing with the thread atmosphere" archetype. In champs this year, this is the archetype that usually got yeeted and most of them were town that couldn't really get into town. I am not saying that all of these players are town, there were scum in champs that also qualified in this archetype.

But it makes me stop and think.
However, looking at the list I wrote, I would add at least Nate and Rondo too (only that I am currently trying to shield both). This is almost the whole player list so wtf yo?

This strikes me as a contradiction.

You are trying to shield me and Finger(? If I read that correctly) yet I currently see her as scum. You havent really addressed me specifically just the wagon in general is there a reason you havent done that yet? I am not sure if that makes sense, it does in my head

It isn't a contradiction.
"I'm not saying that ALL of these players are town" doesn't contradict that I town lean Finger. She isn't all of the players listed tbh

I have interacted and addressed you plenty tbh, have even asked some questions tbh. Imo you're the player I have interacted the most with in total, counting D0 and D1 tbh

This is townie paranoia and townie search for something to bite me for tbh

No I wanted you to address the finger/me/you thing. We have talked a bunch thats fair

Boquise wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:20 am

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:52 am @Boquise give a full reads list

I have revoked most of my read list after seeing Wilgy flipping town. I have Rondo and Nate as my town base and will see where I land on everyone else tbh.

Boquise wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:24 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:04 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:51 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:41 pm

Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:16 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:06 pm @Boquise how do you feel about these wagons?

I lean Finger town and whilst I am nervous to call Marmot (I saw that little pocket attempt), I currently wouldn't want to meet him.

And the wagons as a whole:
Finger, Marmot, Creature, Lucy, Dizzy, Ender (tho idr if they are a wagon rn) - all match the "weird player not vibing with the thread atmosphere" archetype. In champs this year, this is the archetype that usually got yeeted and most of them were town that couldn't really get into town. I am not saying that all of these players are town, there were scum in champs that also qualified in this archetype.

But it makes me stop and think.
However, looking at the list I wrote, I would add at least Nate and Rondo too (only that I am currently trying to shield both). This is almost the whole player list so wtf yo?

This strikes me as a contradiction.

You are trying to shield me and Finger(? If I read that correctly) yet I currently see her as scum. You havent really addressed me specifically just the wagon in general is there a reason you havent done that yet? I am not sure if that makes sense, it does in my head

It isn't a contradiction.
"I'm not saying that ALL of these players are town" doesn't contradict that I town lean Finger. She isn't all of the players listed tbh

I have interacted and addressed you plenty tbh, have even asked some questions tbh. Imo you're the player I have interacted the most with in total, counting D0 and D1 tbh

This is townie paranoia and townie search for something to bite me for tbh

No I wanted you to address the finger/me/you thing. We have talked a bunch thats fair

I am not really sure what exactly I am supposed to address? What is it that is unclear? In your post above you say I have only addressed the wagon on you, not you specifically. I dont understand then what the "finger/me/you thing" is

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:03 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:46 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:40 pm What do you make of the game state right now? Do you have a decent grasp on who you think the wolves could be?

Turbulent. The vibe is good, but the solving is turbulent. I still feel mostly okay about this POE group, perhaps with Wilgy added:

Creature
Dyslexicon
EnderWiggin
fingersplints
RondoDimBuckle

While acknowledging town accounts exist for these slots. Much of my own turbulence is that many suspects I have called out have been vouched for by someone, often by a town read. That can be healthy enough, but it's challenging. Maybe this is how mountainous feels.

Has this changed at all?

Boquise wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:25 am Anyway, this kill indicates at least 1 scum inside Me/JJJ/Alison.

Alison wouldnt really be the kill if town though since she got sussed yesterday.

Boquise wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:20 am

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:52 am @Boquise give a full reads list

I have revoked most of my read list after seeing Wilgy flipping town. I have Rondo and Nate as my town base and will see where I land on everyone else tbh.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:55 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:25 am Anyway, this kill indicates at least 1 scum inside Me/JJJ/Alison.

Alison wouldnt really be the kill if town though since she got sussed yesterday.

Why does the kill indicate that

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:00 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:55 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:25 am Anyway, this kill indicates at least 1 scum inside Me/JJJ/Alison.

Alison wouldnt really be the kill if town though since she got sussed yesterday.

Why does the kill indicate that

I thought the kill directly points to you, by keeping you and Alison alive it makes it confirmed one is mafia or you'd be killed off more expeditiously before a solve can happen

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:03 am

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:00 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:55 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:25 am Anyway, this kill indicates at least 1 scum inside Me/JJJ/Alison.

Alison wouldnt really be the kill if town though since she got sussed yesterday.

Why does the kill indicate that

I thought the kill directly points to you, by keeping you and Alison alive it makes it confirmed one is mafia or you'd be killed off more expeditiously before a solve can happen

Okay. I’d prefer to hear from Boquise before I comment further.

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:05 am do u have an updated reads list

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:23 pm I kinda think that there is a necessary auto period here.

Like there is a line and those below it have to all die before those above it because if the mafia are all above it the game is already over and we are wasting our time and that's very unlikely.

Line

Dyslexicon
Creature
Falcon
DrWilgy

For some reason I don't want to put Fingersplints below the line. I think Dyslexicon has the most chance of being town but I can't reasonably put him above it.

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:00 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:55 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:25 am Anyway, this kill indicates at least 1 scum inside Me/JJJ/Alison.

Alison wouldnt really be the kill if town though since she got sussed yesterday.

Why does the kill indicate that

I thought the kill directly points to you, by keeping you and Alison alive it makes it confirmed one is mafia or you'd be killed off more expeditiously before a solve can happen

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 5:50 am

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:00 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:55 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:25 am Anyway, this kill indicates at least 1 scum inside Me/JJJ/Alison.

Alison wouldnt really be the kill if town though since she got sussed yesterday.

Why does the kill indicate that

I thought the kill directly points to you, by keeping you and Alison alive it makes it confirmed one is mafia or you'd be killed off more expeditiously before a solve can happen

I agree with Boq that JJJ/Boq were the two most likely shot targets for mafia to make last night. (As he says, I don't think I'd be shot because I had some sus on me, and those two had none.) There are two main possibilities in my mind:

1) JJJ/Boq has a mafia in it.
2) Seanzie was tunnelling a mafia and was killed for his reads.

If it is 1), I'd say it's more likely to be JJJ. If it's 2), it's probably Ender.

I have limited time today and will likely be focusing on those two + fingersplints as my priority investigations.

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:09 pm What do we think of Dizzy?

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:11 pm

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:10 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:06 pm that was unexpected

Who was your guess?

Alison or boq

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:54 pm Things I noticed when rereading Alison's Day 2.


I feel that Alison has had a less than significant impact on this game, which is why I wanted to review her. There are a couple players in this game who know my meta well enough that I think it would be basically a scum claim for them to scumread me. Alison is one of them, and she has offered defenses of me throughout the game thus far, which I think is a good sign that she is town.

I reread some of her ISO from Rave Master Mafia (where she was mafia recently), and she made a BS case on sean in that game (it was an omgus case, and also a bad case on sincerity). I haven't seen anything like that here, nor have I seen some other patterns from that game, such as bringing up players to talk about without mentioning why she wants to talk about them. Alison is talking about players here with much more specificity. Alison does have a very different position in the thread. She was under heavy duress in that game from the getgo, and on a two-person mafia team with an afk teammate. She is fairly unanimous town in this game.

I do disagree with Alison's case on the fingersplints case. My confidence is starting to wane on that read as the game goes on and we keep missing wolves, but I still believe in it. Per the case in P#2293, I think that point number 4 is massive town ndicator, and I put more stock into that than the other points against her. But I do like that Alison brought up that point.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:03 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:46 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:40 pm What do you make of the game state right now? Do you have a decent grasp on who you think the wolves could be?

Turbulent. The vibe is good, but the solving is turbulent. I still feel mostly okay about this POE group, perhaps with Wilgy added:

Creature
Dyslexicon
EnderWiggin
fingersplints
RondoDimBuckle

While acknowledging town accounts exist for these slots. Much of my own turbulence is that many suspects I have called out have been vouched for by someone, often by a town read. That can be healthy enough, but it's challenging. Maybe this is how mountainous feels.

Has this changed at all?

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:03 am I'm going to make an extremely wild read and say that everyone who has posted so far today is town, and the wolves are just silently sitting in wolf chat.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:22 am Ok @EnderWiggin You had to know this was coming. I need to pull you out of your meme-zone and get you to participate. We have 4 flips and you are on both wagons. Wiggly has stated to yeet you as a legacy. Lets hear it

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:41 am I have a kinda busy day today, so I'll be around slightly less. (Will still be around though.) Will be totally free tomorrow.

It feels like fingersplints was saved by this last minute Wilgy wagon and she is currently my top suspect.

Boquise wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:25 am Anyway, this kill indicates at least 1 scum inside Me/JJJ/Alison.

Alison wouldnt really be the kill if town though since she got sussed yesterday.

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:00 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:55 am

Boquise wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:25 am Anyway, this kill indicates at least 1 scum inside Me/JJJ/Alison.

Alison wouldnt really be the kill if town though since she got sussed yesterday.

Why does the kill indicate that

I thought the kill directly points to you, by keeping you and Alison alive it makes it confirmed one is mafia or you'd be killed off more expeditiously before a solve can happen

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 5:44 am I'm pretty sure Creature is town.