The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:51 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:45 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:43 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:40 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:39 pm A role like Cecil's isn't a very powerful one though- not in the sense that it can protect civilians or block you or sic poison monkeys on you.

OK.

Who from Cerberus do you think would nightkill an outted gossip role? Not counting Doc

The value in killing him is in the removal of a "confirmed" (I use that term loosely) civilian voice. Nobody was ever going to lynch sprityo, so it doesn't surprise me to see him killed eventually, but not early. That's all I mean.

I think anybody would kill sprityo. It's just good strategy at this stage.

Mkay. So...

Why do you think it took ~8 days to do the deed? Cerberus guys get here, and Sprityo gets popped. You're not willing to engage in a bit of kill theory here?

I just did. I'm sorry if you didn't like my conclusion.

"Kill theory" =/= "Agreeing with DH's theory"

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:52 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:51 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:45 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:43 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:40 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:39 pm A role like Cecil's isn't a very powerful one though- not in the sense that it can protect civilians or block you or sic poison monkeys on you.

OK.

Who from Cerberus do you think would nightkill an outted gossip role? Not counting Doc

The value in killing him is in the removal of a "confirmed" (I use that term loosely) civilian voice. Nobody was ever going to lynch sprityo, so it doesn't surprise me to see him killed eventually, but not early. That's all I mean.

I think anybody would kill sprityo. It's just good strategy at this stage.

Mkay. So...

Why do you think it took ~8 days to do the deed? Cerberus guys get here, and Sprityo gets popped. You're not willing to engage in a bit of kill theory here?

I just did. I'm sorry if you didn't like my conclusion.

"Kill theory" =/= "Agreeing with DH's theory"

"Anyone could do it" =/= a productive response to the question.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:54 pm So Epi spends a shitload of time game theorying shit on the Other Tribe that doesn't affect us at all but won't spend two minutes doing the same over here.

Yeah you guys are right Epi isn't susp. at all.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:57 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:54 pm So Epi spends a shitload of time game theorying shit on the Other Tribe that doesn't affect us at all but won't spend two minutes doing the same over here.

Yeah you guys are right Epi isn't susp. at all.

I speculated on a Night 1 nijuukyugou kill, which I feel qualified to speculate on for a few reasons. It was a kill that, to my mind, didn't make much sense.

Killing sprityo at this stage (Night 8) makes sense to me.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:14 pm Top Five List of Things People Think Matter In Mafia But Actually They Dont

5. Rainbow Lists
4. Meta
3. Adverbs
2. Rainbow Lists Again
1. Rainbow Lists a Third Time.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:00 pm Paranoia is unnecessary and maybe even irresponsible right now. I know the tribal configuration are to be treated as more or less random, but we can assume that they're relatively balanced in terms of alignment distribution, or they were at the time of button-pushing.
We just eliminated two baddies on our first day together. Odds are this tribe is currently comprised predominantly of civilians. If there was ever a time to be calm and collected in a mafia game, it's now.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:01 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:14 pm Top Five List of Things People Think Matter In Mafia But Actually They Dont

5. Rainbow Lists
4. Meta
3. Adverbs
2. Rainbow Lists Again
1. Rainbow Lists a Third Time.

Look I don't care if you agree with me. Last time I felt this way about Wilgy was in Mountain Mafia I believe, I couldn't get over the fact that Wilgy was playing so straightforward and... normal, really contributing a lot. I commented on it and everyone talked me out of, saying either "he's just being Wilgy" or saying "he's really contributing." So I backed off. And guess what his alignment was. Upon looking back he did the same thing as Tim Whatley in Seinfeld where he was also bad.

I don't usually depend so strongly on a meta, but I think dismissing them entirely as not mattering at all is foolish. And I refuse to be talked out of it this time. Until I feel there is a damn good reason to believe otherwise, I remain very convinced of his alignment in this game.

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:08 pm my new role blows because we have no infodumping

ugh. why do i get stuck with a bastard role

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:09 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:08 pm my new role blows because we have no infodumping

ugh. why do i get stuck with a bastard role

A bastard role?

As in a fucking evil bastard role?

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:10 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:09 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:08 pm my new role blows because we have no infodumping

ugh. why do i get stuck with a bastard role

A bastard role?

As in a fucking evil bastard role?

you'd be doing a favor by killing me, im not help at all unless i KNOW who mafia is

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:11 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:10 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:09 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:08 pm my new role blows because we have no infodumping

ugh. why do i get stuck with a bastard role

A bastard role?

As in a fucking evil bastard role?

you'd be doing a favor by killing me, im not help at all unless i KNOW who mafia is

Uh I know who mafia are I can help you.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:16 pm In answer to DH's probing, I think wilgy is the most likely member of the former Cerberus tribe to have killed sprityo, and there isn't really a close second.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:03 pm I wonder if the other tribe will be able to find two votes to rub together in order to lynch speedchuck.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:24 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:16 pm In answer to DH's probing, I think wilgy is the most likely member of the former Cerberus tribe to have killed sprityo, and there isn't really a close second.

I'm sure this has nothing to do with your already documented desire to lynch Doc.

If we're just gonna go "Hey lets lynch X and not talk about anything or anyone else" for like...the rest of the game... IDK.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:26 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:03 pm I wonder if the other tribe will be able to find two votes to rub together in order to lynch speedchuck.

I'm almost 100% certain Speedchuck will not be lynched.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:29 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:26 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:03 pm I wonder if the other tribe will be able to find two votes to rub together in order to lynch speedchuck.

I'm almost 100% certain Speedchuck will not be lynched.

On what grounds?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:28 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:24 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:16 pm In answer to DH's probing, I think wilgy is the most likely member of the former Cerberus tribe to have killed sprityo, and there isn't really a close second.

I'm sure this has nothing to do with your already documented desire to lynch Doc.

If we're just gonna go "Hey lets lynch X and not talk about anything or anyone else" for like...the rest of the game... IDK.

My predetermined preference to lynch wilgy has to do with the 7 days I spent in the Cerberus thread with wilgy and the rest of us newcomers in which i came to feel good about all of them to varying degrees. I can't help it if the three players I have the most reason to read as town all came to this tribe.

Why can't it be wilgy?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:32 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:29 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:26 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:03 pm I wonder if the other tribe will be able to find two votes to rub together in order to lynch speedchuck.

I'm almost 100% certain Speedchuck will not be lynched.

On what grounds?

Just going off the evidence we have.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:13 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:11 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:56 pm Sloonei, besides Marmot and DrWilgy, who've been brought up here, were there any major suspects from your original tribe? I'm sorry if you already answered this elsewhere here.

Niju is player I was growing weary of. She was given a pass for a while because she was the first player nightkilled in the game, but that's clearly something that should be discarded at this point. I had a few substantial reasons for suspecting her that can't really be fleshed out here, and it's been a while since I looked at the other thread anyway.

LoRab was our "low-hanging fruit" option and for most of the game people have been trying to push a case against her, myself included, but I eventually dropped it myself. I don't know how others feel/felt about her.

Boomslang is a big shrug. Of all the players in this game, I think he's the one I am least familiar with. He didn't do anything to stand out as a civilian, but I couldn't find much that was explicitly suspicious about him either.

It was difficult to develop strong reads in our tribe because, until the very last day, we never lynched anybody and the players who were being killed were generally our town reads, the exceptions being sig and INH. we were just coming out of our pseudo-Day 1 phase when the button was pushed.

And you think a thread that couldn't lynch a single person over 8 days will be able to lynch Chuck?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:33 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:28 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:24 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:16 pm In answer to DH's probing, I think wilgy is the most likely member of the former Cerberus tribe to have killed sprityo, and there isn't really a close second.

I'm sure this has nothing to do with your already documented desire to lynch Doc.

If we're just gonna go "Hey lets lynch X and not talk about anything or anyone else" for like...the rest of the game... IDK.

My predetermined preference to lynch wilgy has to do with the 7 days I spent in the Cerberus thread with wilgy and the rest of us newcomers in which i came to feel good about all of them to varying degrees. I can't help it if the three players I have the most reason to read as town all came to this tribe.

Why can't it be wilgy?

It could be I just don't think it is.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:36 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:33 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:28 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:24 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:16 pm In answer to DH's probing, I think wilgy is the most likely member of the former Cerberus tribe to have killed sprityo, and there isn't really a close second.

I'm sure this has nothing to do with your already documented desire to lynch Doc.

If we're just gonna go "Hey lets lynch X and not talk about anything or anyone else" for like...the rest of the game... IDK.

My predetermined preference to lynch wilgy has to do with the 7 days I spent in the Cerberus thread with wilgy and the rest of us newcomers in which i came to feel good about all of them to varying degrees. I can't help it if the three players I have the most reason to read as town all came to this tribe.

Why can't it be wilgy?

It could be I just don't think it is.

How confident are you about this?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:47 pm I am feeling more than 60% confident about wilgy.

Do you have any more substantial reasons not to suspect him, DH?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:48 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:47 pm I am feeling more than 60% confident about wilgy.

Do you have any more substantial reasons not to suspect him, DH?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:50 pm DH would be my next suspect after Wilgy.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:51 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:50 pm DH would be my next suspect after Wilgy.

How so?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:56 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:51 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:50 pm DH would be my next suspect after Wilgy.

How so?

Well for one you came in today by framing last night's kill as a vehicle for discussion in such a way that you are excluded from suspicion.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:13 pm I don't suspect DH. I think he's good, if only sometimes bewildered.

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:08 pm my new role blows because we have no infodumping

ugh. why do i get stuck with a bastard role

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:16 pm In answer to DH's probing, I think wilgy is the most likely member of the former Cerberus tribe to have killed sprityo, and there isn't really a close second.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:32 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:29 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:26 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:03 pm I wonder if the other tribe will be able to find two votes to rub together in order to lynch speedchuck.

I'm almost 100% certain Speedchuck will not be lynched.

On what grounds?

Just going off the evidence we have.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:09 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:08 pm my new role blows because we have no infodumping

ugh. why do i get stuck with a bastard role

Are you a fucking stump? I know what it’s like to be a fucking stump

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:33 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:09 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:08 pm my new role blows because we have no infodumping

ugh. why do i get stuck with a bastard role

Are you a fucking stump? I know what it’s like to be a fucking stump

i WISH i was a stump, i'd instantly activate

but sadly no im not. (you missed your opportunity in Phenon, i know )

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:11 pm DH, I don’t inderstand why you’re so resistant to Wilgy killing. He’s obviously here farting around, because he still answers and knows we’re talking about him. He’s just taking the ole sig approach and not caring.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:51 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:11 pm DH, I don’t inderstand why you’re so resistant to Wilgy killing. He’s obviously here farting around, because he still answers and knows we’re talking about him. He’s just taking the ole sig approach and not caring.

What you ought to be asking is why is everyone so not-resistant.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:51 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:11 pm DH, I don’t inderstand why you’re so resistant to Wilgy killing. He’s obviously here farting around, because he still answers and knows we’re talking about him. He’s just taking the ole sig approach and not caring.

What you ought to be asking is why is everyone so not-resistant.