The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:09 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:07 pm Yes, certainly many if not all of the cases on Colin before claimgate occurred. I townread him pretty much exclusively up until then when some other players scumread him. I'm sure there are more examples, like I think you suspected Epi after I decided he was civ, and I think Scotty has said some things about Dizzy that I disagree with. Also when Quin postedhis strong town read of marmot lol.

Are these things that you voiced?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 8:06 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 8:05 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 8:03 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 8:01 pmIt's all calculated I proooooooooomise!

You know, I still think you're scum. Even if you end up being town, you will be scum to me. : p

If I'm Gladys Campbell, Dizzy is not a dentist.

All will be reveal, my friend.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 6:50 pm @nutella
@Scotty
@Quin

One of you is a mafioso. I need to narrow it down to two of you.

Please tell me why I should believe you are a civilian.

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:47 pmDid you think this as well? You're so smart, Jimmy.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:52 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:47 pmDid you think this as well? You're so smart, Jimmy.

That's not why I pulled Dizzy from the POE, but I do think there's evidence of that, sure.

Which is why a correct 2-player POE among Quin, nutella, and Scotty wins the game.

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:53 pm fun!

Charlie Blackmon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:21 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu May 31, 2018 3:32 pm If we win this game, it's due to an incredibly committed and collaborative team effort by the civilians. Great job civs, let's keep it up!

Sure thing.

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:46 pmI think Dizzy is the last dentist.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:39 pm [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:57 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:39 pm [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Oh wow. Am I ready for this. I think I am.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:52 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:47 pmDid you think this as well? You're so smart, Jimmy.

That's not why I pulled Dizzy from the POE, but I do think there's evidence of that, sure.

Which is why a correct 2-player POE among Quin, nutella, and Scotty wins the game.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:58 pm I still haven't ISO'd Quin. But poll runs until Sunday?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:58 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:57 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:39 pm [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Oh wow. Am I ready for this. I think I am.

Before you read into that, please read the most recent exchange between Quin and nutella and report back.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:58 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:57 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:39 pm [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Oh wow. Am I ready for this. I think I am.

Before you read into that, please read the most recent exchange between Quin and nutella and report back.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:59 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:58 pm I still haven't ISO'd Quin. But poll runs until Sunday?

The more you procrastinate, the less likely it is to ever happen.

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:00 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:59 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:58 pm I still haven't ISO'd Quin. But poll runs until Sunday?

The more you procrastinate, the less likely it is to ever happen.

and you have fucking 11 pages what am i supposed to do

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:58 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:52 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:47 pmDid you think this as well? You're so smart, Jimmy.

That's not why I pulled Dizzy from the POE, but I do think there's evidence of that, sure.

Which is why a correct 2-player POE among Quin, nutella, and Scotty wins the game.

If you're bad, I think you just made things more difficult on yourself here by giving me a reason to stick with a 3 person PoE. 66% chance that you lose versus 50% (provided anyone else agrees to clear dizzy). It's unlikely I'd say.

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:02 pm holy shit isn't pushing for a self-inclusive 3 person PoE consistent with the king of fuck mountain a good look for me?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:03 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:02 pm holy shit isn't pushing for a self-inclusive 3 person PoE consistent with the king of fuck mountain a good look for me?

No. Stop talking about how you look and hunt.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:08 pm Quin, you need to understand that Nut is town and Scotty is scum. Forget that I was wrong about Marmot. I was originally right about Colin though I fucked it up. I'm centered, calm and confident again. Meow.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:04 pm nutella, please give me the best case that Quin is a civilian, even if in only a few words.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:10 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:04 pm nutella, please give me the best case that Quin is a civilian, even if in only a few words.

He had some decent looks in relation to choutas early on, iirc especially with his vote.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:09 pm Quin, please give me the best case that nutella is a civilian, even if in only a few words.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:11 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:10 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:04 pm nutella, please give me the best case that Quin is a civilian, even if in only a few words.

He had some decent looks in relation to choutas early on, iirc especially with his vote.

That vote was the only relation he had with Choutas. So that's it?

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:12 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:09 pm Quin, please give me the best case that nutella is a civilian, even if in only a few words.

nutella went from spectating to full participation rather organically. Spectator perceptions are essentially the same as town ones except from a "wider" angle. if she'd gotten a scum role I think she'd be delayed by having to reorganise her thoughts to fit that new perspective.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:10 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:04 pm nutella, please give me the best case that Quin is a civilian, even if in only a few words.

He had some decent looks in relation to choutas early on, iirc especially with his vote.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:13 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:12 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:09 pm Quin, please give me the best case that nutella is a civilian, even if in only a few words.

nutella went from spectating to full participation rather organically. Spectator perceptions are essentially the same as town ones except from a "wider" angle. if she'd gotten a scum role I think she'd be delayed by having to reorganise her thoughts to fit that new perspective.

Does that perception mesh with your own replacement into Mad Max?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:14 pm If my questions are preventing y'all from digging, then ignore me. But you have got to get to it soon. The day phase won't last an eternity. I am trying to keep the thread awake.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:24 pm Aw, we're one messed up family. How sweet. I want to be the crazy aunt that goes like this any time someone accuses me:

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 1:00 am [VOTE: choutas] aubergine

Eyyyyyyyy boi

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 1:26 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 1:18 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 1:02 am Nova looks AOK to me, woodchuck chuckers. At least he’s asking question(s)!

Here’s a question: who else here has owned a rabbit before?

Was it a good question?

No, it was objectively self-fulfilling.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 6:29 pm

Choutas wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 3:48 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 3:14 pm

Choutas wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 3:01 pm I use chrome maybe its a settings issue.
Anyhow lets get to business.

Cool. What do you think of rabbits?

Also, the game

Theyre cute but they make terrible meat so a no for me.
The game has started in a mild manner we need to stir things up. Force people to read others.

As for Day one Mac i think hes right into the role.

Are you looking to stir things up? Because “he’s right into the role” ain’t stirring shit

Whatever right into the role means

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 10:25 am this game is so much more palatable atm than the job.

Let’s see...
JJJ and Quin are camels in a spitting match.
Mac makes some blanket statements that jjj is bad, as well wolbre
Marmot comes in (hi) and WIFOMs the shit out of everything.

Gotta admit. I don’t know what Mac specifically saw in calling out jjj, which raises my eyebrows but I especially don’t like how Marmot entered the game on his behalf.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 11:09 am [VOTE: TheFloyd] aubergine hasn’t checked in

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 11:18 am

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 11:12 am Wait, did Elo never actually vote Jay? That's odd.

Oh ho. So really, there should be 5 votes on JJJ.

Yeah, I’m avoidig this train like hot fire. Way too easy

@G-Man is it possible to update everyone’s ISO when you get a chance? Everyone has posted but Floyd

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 11:26 am

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 11:19 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 11:18 am

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 11:12 am Wait, did Elo never actually vote Jay? That's odd.

Oh ho. So really, there should be 5 votes on JJJ.

Yeah, I’m avoidig this train like hot fire. Way too easy

@G-Man is it possible to update everyone’s ISO when you get a chance? Everyone has posted but Floyd

Normally I'd be in 100% agreement with you. But something's off with Jay this game, and I've tried to articulate why I think that makes him look bad. What do you think of what I've highlighted?

My initial thought during the Quin/JJJ spat was that they look civ. That hasn’t changed.

I agree with your assessment that jjj engaged with Elo and Quin and essentially no-u’d them, but he didn’t hide that fact either. I think he’s backing up his reasoning and is feeling cagey. Which I don’t blame him for- I’d probably be like that too as the front runner on D1.

I think I have to look at the votes on him first and foremost, because I can’t shake he feeling that he has too many errant votes for bs reasons on him. I don’t like nova’s vote, and I don’t even know why dizzy is voting there. Now you’ve come to the conclusion that he’s bad, and there’s a recipe for a mislynch in a 13 Person game.

Unless everyone votig for JJJ right now is town and we’ve just solved the game lol

But nah.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 6:27 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 6:24 pm Scotty, Floyd can be and is likely to be replaced though. How about someone else?

We don’t know that. In any case, I like where my vote is regardless.

If there were another option, I’d say Elo or choutus

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 9:27 pm I missed EoD but I ain’t mad choutas got the axe.

As long as y’all got off JJJ

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 11:05 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 10:49 am I’m just realizing how brilliant Marmot’s D1 tradition is. There is no expectation of him ever making a real stance this phase as town and it carries over into his scum game easily, freeing him of most things a scum might get trapped in that early. I’m not making a read here, just, kudos.

I’m all for good D1 traditions that don’t get you lynched D1, but this isn’t just a D1 tradition for him either. He will often self vote later too, and he guzzles WIFOM like he’s at an orchard tasting.

Marmot’s production is where we should see an alignment pop up

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 1:56 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 7:29 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 2:04 am Wolbre and Jay teammates

Agreed. Marmot's teammates identified.

I can’t get this quote from marmot’s entrance out of my head. I strongly feel like jjj is town this game, so I don’t think Marmot called out his scummates here. But I currently suspect wolbre and wouldn’t be surprised if Marmot threw in one of his teammates in this too. Marmot votes choutas end of day, wolbre voted early before vhoutas even had votes. Coming in from different angles to form an isosceles triangle. I can see it

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 11:17 am I’m Shirt on time but nova’s kill is odd to say the least. Looks like he didn’t have many strong accusations except maybe wolbre. Can’t really link the kill to anyone

It might be too easy but I’m gonna start with a vote for [VOTE: wolbre] aubergine

But am also up for either marmot or MP.

I don’t wanna limit it to just them tho. I don’t wanna feel like I’ve been bamboozled by seemingly town looking players- that’s trouvle. But I currently have no reason to suspect jjj. Lol that’ll probably come in day 4 when he’s stil pumpkins water on the cistern and hasn’t been NK’d

Will check back later in the day

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 2:49 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 2:38 pm @Everybody

Only two bad guys remain. It may seem early, but POE is your friend. If you can narrow the pool down to about five suspects, you're giving yourself a great opportunity. If you can't, then you have alerted yourself to the investigative pursuits you need to work on. With 2 mafia alive against 11 civilians, we can mislynch four times before arriving at a LyLo phase (assuming no prevented kills and no shenanigans). Also be aware that the presence of a temporarily lynch-immune bad guy can interfere with that considerably.

I forgot that no-lynch role was in and just had a thought- what if the teammate bussed that player early to get him lynched and gain civ credit? Would that even be worth it?

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 3:43 pm Looking at colin’s Iso

He has this habit of not quoting posts with answers to phantom questions and it’s slightly frustrating. Colin, do you do this every game?

You got through most of day 1 pretty actively promoting not lynching JJJ and MP, and voting lap, though I’m not entirely sure why.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 8:59 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 8:57 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 8:52 pm Pages 8-9

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 4:04 pm Yeah, having read the case against Jay, I don’t see anything I wouldn’t expect from his town behavior. I don’t see the case on Dizzy and I’d prefer not to vote Floyd, but between those two, if a replacement’s not happening I won’t lose sleep lynching someone not even in the thread.

Colini's posts reads like a scum player who wants to lynch the town player who deserves it the most.
^Someone talk to me about this.

You mean like Colin is going after low hanging fruit, easy suspects? Yeah, I could see that. His reads are probably the "easiest"; i.e., his town reads are active and his mafia reads are relatively inactive or acting weird.

I mean, I disagree with “low-hanging fruit” but it is true that I’m aligning the active people as town right now. I didn’t really think of that like that. But if people are “acting weird” as you say, what’s bad about suspecting them?

Safe is probably the term I’d use for Colin at this point in the game.

Also I’m almost done with his iso and he still hasn’t mentioned choutas but once.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 8:49 pm Okay, so reads:

JJJ, MP seem town. I’ve explained why for JJJ but MP also feels earnest and interested in solving the game. Epi seems to be playing as I have always seen him (town) so I can get behind him for now too.

I liked the cases made earlier on lapluie, Eloh, and I understood J’s ire toward Dyslexicon so I guess those are the biggest suspects. Because Marmot made one of those cases (lapluie) I would townread him too.

Scotty feels different to me from AG, where he was town, but maybe I’m not accustomed to his playstyle in general. Wolbre is playing similar to what I’ve seen but people have asked good questions of him and I don’t think he really addressed them. Choutas, as others have said, flying so far below radar I forgot he was here — not good. Slight scum lean on gut or soul or whatever.

Floyd, nothing. Nova, really not sure. Everybody I didn’t talk about, idk.

lol ok so his main suspect is lap (and I think Elo and Dys?The syntax of that sentence was weird) then slight shade to me and choutas.

Definitely safe reads all around though. Nothing condemning.

This came like 40 min before EoD:

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 9:07 pm I think there are better options than Choutas as I said, but I’d be fine with his lynch.

“As I’ve said”
no you didn’t. You said you preferred lap and read him as slight scum lean.

Bad look. I don’t like how your only mentionof choutas was slight scum and even at the end you slightly defend him.

I lean bad on Colin right now.
Where are you now on lap? And what has changed in reads for you?

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 3:58 pm Quick look at Elo because why not:

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 9:48 pm I do too. I won't be voting there. I need to check when the poll ends.

Needs to check when the poll ends, doesn’t want k Lynch JJJ.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 2:55 pm votes Dizzy. Ephraim said so.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 8:45 am Good job guys! As I was reading through what was going on, I would have changed to Chou if I were here EoD. But alas, I was hanging out with the family.

I will try to be more active. My heart's just not in it.

So she votes because the spirits told her, but would have voted choutas if she were here, or so she says. Didn’t check when the poll ended, I’m assuming.

Kind of alarming that we lynch a baddie and her heart’s not in it. It could be NAI, but that seems like an odd time to lose energy, don’t it?

Girl, get some caffeine!

Anyway, that’s all for elo’s Mention of choutas. It’s not a great look. She also looks bad by disassociation and her post lynch comment

Charlie Blackmon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:11 pm I can't even tell when someone has a point to make or is just summarizing something. I can't tell if it's sarcasm or what.

Charlie Blackmon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:11 pm I can't even tell when someone has a point to make or is just summarizing something. I can't tell if it's sarcasm or what.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:05 pm Random note to make about Scotty:

He entered this phase and named Quin his third suspect, which is critical in a 2-player POE scenario. Quin was the easiest lynch available, and Scotty gave some resistance to that. It's a decent look, hindered some by the fact that Scotty has found cause to vote Quin anyway.