The Syndicate

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:34 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:22 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:18 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:06 pmMy comment was that we are not mafia partners because I like to discuss things with my mafia teammates, and I "spoiled" something for juliets (even though I PUT THE DAMN THING IN SPOILER TAGS), so we are not bad together in BTSC.

This logic seems unsound. Do you mean that you pre-discuss everything you say in the thread with your teammates when you're bad?

Like this right here. If civs weren’t capable of “unsound logic” then we’d never lose a game. Pedantic.

Ok, but you're putting your own extra ideas into this and implying that they're mine. My post said "I don't understand, Epi can you clarify?", not "Looks like bad logic and therefore a bad alignment."

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:13 am

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:49 pm I think Colin is scum. Even before the flip, he was setting this up.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:06 pm If TH is good, Owner still deserves scrutiny. If Owner is bad, check TH’s wagon.

He read me town for a little bit, but the instant things started going south for me he quickly did what felt like a 180 to me and pushed for my lynch.

Or basically, this whole if-then situation is particularly bad when both wagons are positioned on good players, which I feel like Colin knows this.

This is something that I will include in my own opinions. Good find.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:49 am That said, I kind of suspect Colin and Mac for jumping on it.

Maybe I'll just shut up and wait for bullzeye to respond.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 10:26 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 10:21 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:25 pm I changed my vote to Colin for now.

I wouldn’t mind getting lynched tbh. Confirm me as civ then rezz me. Have I mentioned that people with rezzes should use them?

I haven't voiced it yet, but please listen to Colin if you have a rez. Don't be wastin' a rez by dyin' on us now! Use use use! We have dead Civs. Turnip Head is cool, I'd really like him back since I sealed his doom with my tiebreaking vote.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:07 pm Maybe he wants the perks that come with being a Confirmed Civ. He could reasonably expect protection from kills. I don't know, it's pretty weird. I'm sure the Phoenix Down owner has a plan, no need to "lynch a Civ" to get a good target. Maybe he's a baddie with the ability to appear Civ upon their lynch. Get lynched - look Civ - use up rez - PROFIT!!!

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:02 pm I thought the not knowing INH was dead was townslippy. I guess a teammate could forget that their teammate died... or that theory about faking baddiness when killing. I saw that Jack disagrees.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:46 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:43 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:41 pm Jesus every single post on this page looks suspicious as fuck. Good on y'all for getting me to stop townreading everyone.

It's mostly just me who you were already scum reading so I dunno what you expected.

It's everyone else too though. But I agree with Quin about Colin, and with you and Jay that Colin's non-interaction with inh is a bad look. LC's skeptical theory about Colin raised my eyebrow but my suspicion of Colin is stronger than my doubt by the end of the page. [VOTE: colin] aubergine

Less a theory, more trying to understand his motivations for requesting a lynch with the instant rez promised. Why do you think he said that?

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:03 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:00 am (okay, that was a fun exercise, and in doing it I guess there wasn't quite as much suspicious content as it felt like there was. I think my point about LC is the one most worth considering.)

Ok, you do it. Discuss reasons why Colin might do that.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:44 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:28 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:17 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:14 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:03 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:00 am (okay, that was a fun exercise, and in doing it I guess there wasn't quite as much suspicious content as it felt like there was. I think my point about LC is the one most worth considering.)

Ok, you do it. Discuss reasons why Colin might do that.

Well he could be town wanting to get confirmed, but as Quin pointed out, why? He's barely even been suspected at all until now -- and what's more, he had just pointed out his fear that rezzes were either gone or in the wrong hands. If he's town he can't count on a rez, by his own admission. He can only rely on a rez if he's bad and knows his team has one. Whether he has some way to appear civ upon flip, or whether his team will rez him as a confirmed baddie, I can't say, but there doesn't really seem to be a town explanation.

Ok, thank you. That seems remarkably similar to my own post that is your top suspected post on the Page of Sin.

No, don't think so. You didn't point out the thing I did that if he's town he can't count on a rez. Your post painted much more of a bleak picture of a baddie fooling us all with a fake flip, and so I came out of your post interpreting more of an overall thesis of "don't lynch Colin he's tricking us" whereas I am saying we should just lynch him because he's bad and if he has a fake flip we'll just have to deal.

The "baddies have the rez" thing wasn't on my mind, that's true. Since we're analyzing Colin's intentions here, I'd say it wasn't on Civ!his (did I do that right?) mind either. So it's debatable whether that's useful.

Both our posts discussed Civ reasons for his play, and found them coming up short, and then we both looked at benefits of doing it as a baddie, with a nod to a possible Seemer aspect in his lynch. How does my post "paint a bleak picture of a baddie fooling us with a fake slip" when yours says "Whether he has some way to appear civ upon flip..." yet presumably avoids those connotations?

Anyway, be that as it may, I can't help you reading my post that way, but I don't recall having a huge "don't lynch Colin" push in that post. My post was geared more to discussing a couple of things and leaving it for Colin to take up before going further.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:31 am

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:19 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:59 pm big post with long con in it

I didn't get that subtle defence or whatever from LC at all. Dunno how you interpreted it that way.

So anyway why isn't your vote on Colin? same goes for Long Con

I have found Colin's play pretty strong so far, and I have no intention of voting him because I can create a theory about his strange request that shows him as bad. Like I said, that wasn't the purpose of my post - to vilify Colin. I want him to respond to it before I decide anything.

I don't really have any suspicion of Colin apart from it.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:36 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:07 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:07 pm Maybe he wants the perks that come with being a Confirmed Civ. He could reasonably expect protection from kills. I don't know, it's pretty weird. I'm sure the Phoenix Down owner has a plan, no need to "lynch a Civ" to get a good target. Maybe he's a baddie with the ability to appear Civ upon their lynch. Get lynched - look Civ - use up rez - PROFIT!!!

Bingo. If I die then you know I’m a civ and if I come back, that’s good. Is this hard to understand?

On the contrary, it was my first notion. Then I realized it assumes you're Civ, and I took a look at the flip side.

Your reaction to this post is markedly different than nutella's to the same post where she describes me as: "simultaneously making Mr. Cool look villainous and deterring his lynch by implying that it's what the mafia want".

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:42 am You don't really have to be a baddie-who-can-appear-as-Civ-upon-lynch to pull this as a baddie. You just have to know that there's no way everyone's going to go along with this plan.

I mean, you know that, right? Do you really expect us to hijack a lynch just so you can die and get rezzed?

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:48 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:33 pm If I am going to get lynched by the dumbest wagon ever in my time of playing Mafia then at least please answer this q before I go join my great friend Turbup Head in the, uhh, Mirror of Erised? I don’t fucking know you tell me.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:47 pm Hypothetically assuming I used a Niffler, is it pro-town to share the results? Please weigh in on this and thank you.

I don't see the town benefit of publicizing Deathly Hallows locations. If anything, you'd mark that House for death.

But that's whatever.

So you asked to be lynched... and now that the votes are coming to you, you're getting salty about it??

LOL non please monsieur... allow me. [VOTE: Colin] aubergine We humbly await to serve your every request.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:55 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:32 am

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:37 amMy personal view is that Jay is a fellow of superior intellect and capable of analysis far beyond that of mere mortals. On that basis, if he’s Town, I’d much prefer him on our side. If by some fluke he’s bad, he’ll reveal himself later down the track. I think he’s far more useful to us alive.

Eh? What makes you say this? I have seen JJJ win as a baddie with everyone fooled.

Agreed — I don’t know how a bad JJJ revealing himself is an inevitability. Glorf’s posts about protecting JJJ almost feel like TMI, if Glorf is bad and JJJ is not

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:11 pm The Long Con case DH just posted is prettay good though too. He seems particularly opportunistic voting for me, more than Quin or the others.