Hogwarts Mafia - END

[timmer]

I've only got a second, but a quick skim tells that Bullzeye may be getting set up for a lazy day 1 vote. I'll be able to properly catch up tonight, but for now, that's a development I'll be studying .

What are the alternatives to the "may be?"

I suppose the obvious alternative is that people truly took offense at his vote, and I seem to remember that happening in the past as well with bullz at times. I'm certainly not going to paint every bullz voter as bad.

[timmer]

Ok I was ISO ing poutanko and noticed something I had forgotten about karavalenge, and moved over to Kara.

1. Botched wording in her I am town statement which may, depending on mod discretion, invalidate a lie detect on it.

2. Commenting on sus against owner with supportive "meh?" Style little defences of his play which feel team-y.

3. Too specific in talk of owners deathly Hallows comments.

4. General ping in my gut.

I'm going to vote Kara, but could vote owner easily as well. Will read more tomorrow morning.

Did you have anything to say about poutanko?

Not really anything ground-breaking. He? Has a particular posting style that is new to me, but he seems to put enough attempt at substance in with the emojis that it's all good for me at this time.

[timmer]

I'm heading to bed to the sound of the new Julia Holter...

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Also, the logic I'm using is not foolproof at all, it isn't technically information based, so I'm not saying this in a "follow me, my people" way. I'm making too many assumptions to push for people to follow me, but that's where I'm at. I think bullz is CIV.

What will you do if people don't follow you on this?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm heading to bed to the sound of the new Julia Holter...

[MacDougall]

Mac calls quin and nutella scum.

Quin and nutella vote Mac.

Do better nerds.

[MacDougall]

I was looking for alternative places to plop the ol’ vote, and I was surprised how perturbed I was when I scanned Soneji’s posts. I will explain soon, but for now y’all can take your own looks.

Soneji is the most scummy player in the game and after all the fun and games are over I am going to destroy. In the meantime though there is still fun to be had.

Quin, you suck.

[MacDougall]

Beefs with Soneji

[VOTE: Sonjei] aubergine

Hufflepuffs are wimps and he’s from a poor family.

*sneer*

Hitting at house and home already, ouch.

This Glorf talk reminds me of the presence of Veritaserum. This game has lie detection - can we lie-detect any post successfully, or are there restrictions? Some games have a rule that you can't LD answers to direct questions, to avoid everyone lining up and saying "I am a Civilian" as an automatic checkable phrase. Also, what happens when Glorf is given Veritaserum? Super-honesty?

The effects of Veritaserum are described in the OPs under set-up, which clearly state it's limitations. Any attempts at a loophole would be grounds for asking the host, not something to go off on a tangent discussing with other players. I am puzzled at why you are asking about it's effect on a specific player, unless it's meant to be a joke as by what I can ascertain from other's posts Glorf has a truth meta.

I don't see a point in this post in furthering town's goals, if anything it reminds mafia of a mechanic they might have forgotten about. It just wants to go off into pure speculation, you don't even bring up any good targets for use of it.

Baseless mechanics talk is a general scumtell for me so :

[/b]Vote Lynch Longcon[/b]

Didn't know that triggered the voting function here, that was :

Vote Lynch Longcon

My initial take on LC's discussion of mechanics was negative, so I don't fault Soneji for adopting the same view. I highlighted a portion though which rubs the wrong way, in that it's devoid of context. "This is a thing that is suspicious, LC did the thing, thus I vote." The mindset is civilian-compatible, but the delivery irks me. It's less important than what follows in this post.

~~~

I think this has merit, the times when I have caught myself scum slipping it has been on minor things like this. By itself I wouldn't jump on this but that Owner has spent this whole phase tunneled on someone over a previous game adds to their rapsheet.

~~~

These posts from Lunalee all slightly pinged me, the mocking joke in response to TH, the preemptive excuse for voting off leading wagons, the overly long somewhat passive-aggressive post to say he's town and the fact that they prompted this JJJ wagon but only just joined it this late.


Vote Lynch Lunalee

I omitted content from this post to make it smaller. The first portion (red) refers to Owner. All of it reads badly to me. Foremost, I just don't like "when I have caught myself scum slipping it has been on minor things like this" -- it is some vague, unverifiable throwaway comment that anyone can tack on to a post to justify promoting a "slip". Discussion of slips is often controversial, because players split into camps defined by their belief in the likelihood of the phenomenon, and I believe that when bad guys falsely contribute to slip dialogue there's a need to justify such that the controversy is quelled.

The latter portion (green) is just bogus to me. If Owner believes someone is suspicious on the basis of meta, whether her approach seems rational or not, then there's no reason why she wouldn't pursue that suspicion over the course of a day -- particularly when people were asking her about it. That's the image of constancy, but not a sort of constancy driven by the Owner as much as by everyone who questioned Owner. This looks like a smear.

The Lunalee stuff isn't as bothersome, though the orange bit there is not an agreeable assessment of the post in question (click back to Soneji's original post for clarification).

My Lunalee lynch isn't going anywhere so it seems it's between Owner and TH. Owner had a potential scumslip but it's so slight that I'm not willing to bank on that. TH's push on me is bad and they have had some odd interactions. What edges things out for me is that Luna and TH are voting Owner, while Owner is not voting TH, scum would have to be really unmotivated to not self-pres.

[VOTE: Turnip Head] aubergine

Not sure I buy his suspicion of Turnip Head. The "push on me is bad" assertion traces back to this thing which does nothing for me, and "odd interactions" is essentially meaningless sans-expansion. He finagled his way into a lynch of a player who wanted his head.

Dude getting people lynched has just as much to do with timing your cases as it does with having one. You've gone off too early.

[dunya]

hope everything goes well [mention]Owner of a Lonely Heart[/mention]. you and your family are in my thoughts.

[Quin]

I was looking for alternative places to plop the ol’ vote, and I was surprised how perturbed I was when I scanned Soneji’s posts. I will explain soon, but for now y’all can take your own looks.

Soneji is the most scummy player in the game and after all the fun and games are over I am going to destroy. In the meantime though there is still fun to be had.

Quin, you suck.

nah dude when everyone else was talking about fake cop checks you were over here all like "hey let me play!"

[MacDougall]

I was looking for alternative places to plop the ol’ vote, and I was surprised how perturbed I was when I scanned Soneji’s posts. I will explain soon, but for now y’all can take your own looks.

Soneji is the most scummy player in the game and after all the fun and games are over I am going to destroy. In the meantime though there is still fun to be had.

Quin, you suck.

nah dude when everyone else was talking about fake cop checks you were over here all like "hey let me play!"

That might be true if I had any idea what you were talking about. I haven't read any posts.

[Glorfindel]

@JaggedJimmyJay : Being one of the few people I feel that I can trust in this game right now, may I please ask your opinion of two player of you may have far more extensive and recent experience of than I - Jack and Colin? Thank you kindly.

I think Colin has seemed authentic in his play so far. Jack hasn’t done much, so I award no civilian points. There is precedent for him to goof off as a good guy so tread carefully, but it’s an easy meta to mimic. Indeed that’s the value of the meta.

Can you explain why you trust me in specific reference to my play in this game?

Thank you Jay, for your assessment. I can’t say that I’d necessarily agree on either count. I find something uneasy about Colin so far although I’m prepared to bow to your superior experience of him. You consider that Jack is a ‘good guy’ ‘goofing off’? I see no evidence of either from his posts. I thought his case (if you can call it that) on me was little more that analytical gymnastics without a safety net of logic. I should ask you to reconsider and keep a close eye on him.

As for you, Jay - I get this overwhelming IDGAF tone from your posts that I don’t think I’d see were you Mafia. I think you’re more likely to be more low key and generally more agreeable in your posts if you were Mafia.

[juliets]

@JaggedJimmyJay : Being one of the few people I feel that I can trust in this game right now, may I please ask your opinion of two player of you may have far more extensive and recent experience of than I - Jack and Colin? Thank you kindly.

I think Colin has seemed authentic in his play so far. Jack hasn’t done much, so I award no civilian points. There is precedent for him to goof off as a good guy so tread carefully, but it’s an easy meta to mimic. Indeed that’s the value of the meta.

Can you explain why you trust me in specific reference to my play in this game?

Thank you Jay, for your assessment. I can’t say that I’d necessarily agree on either count. I find something uneasy about Colin so far although I’m prepared to bow to your superior experience of him. You consider that Jack is a ‘good guy’ ‘goofing off’? I see no evidence of either from his posts. I thought his case (if you can call it that) on me was little more that analytical gymnastics without a safety net of logic. I should ask you to reconsider and keep a close eye on him.

As for you, Jay - I get this overwhelming IDGAF tone from your posts that I don’t think I’d see were you Mafia. I think you’re more likely to be more low key and generally more agreeable in your posts if you were Mafia.

Glorf, can you explain what you mean by "analytical gymnastics" regarding Jack's logic for voting you? Are you seeing Jack as bad right now? If so, is it because of his case on you or are there other things you are wary of?

[juliets]

I have to get ready to go to work now and I won't be back until 2:30 or 3:00 at the earliest to respond to the comments re:Soneji and others.

[Glorfindel]

Glorf, can you explain what you mean by "analytical gymnastics" regarding Jack's logic for voting you? Are you seeing Jack as bad right now? If so, is it because of his case on you or are there other things you are wary of?

Hi [mention]juliets[/mention] this is Jack’s post below with the associated posts included for context:

Spoiler: show

The scum are Jay, Long Con, Quin, Glorfindel and Kyle.

You have proven yourself adept at identifying mafia when you're civ so I have to seriously consider what you have to say here. What do you see about LC that says he's bad? I have a hell of a time reading him even tho I've played with him for years. And is there anything you would be willing to share about Quin, Glorf, and Kyle? I don't think I've ever seen a bad Glorf so I'd like to know what you see. Thanks for anything you're willing to share.

Forgive me but... juliets: what on earth gave you a crazy idea like that?

Here’s a thought. If Glor is scum, at least one of these other players is also scum.

Jack, how is Glor being scum relate to the others being scum?

He’s very dismissive of what he shouldn’t give a shit about. If it was just Glor as scum, he’d be okay with a world where Mac actually goes after that crew. But what if there were 3 mafia in that pile? ScumGlor would be worried about that and Glor’s post comes across worried. Like if Mac put me in a five player group and said that was the mafia, I’d ignore it. Glor didnt.

1. I’m very dismissive of what I shouldn’t give a shit about. I’m sorry but doesn’t dismissive = not give a shit? This is simply errant nonsense.

2. If It was JUST me that was Mafia - this comment suggests he has already made up his mind that I’m Mafia based on no case that I’ve read from anyone and while appearing to offer you a logical argument, he’s already trying to persuade you that I’m bad.

3. His argument here is that if I were Mafia with other members of Mac’s list, I’d feel compelled to draw attention to myself by debunking that list. I commented on that list NOT because I am defending anyone - I was commenting on it because I couldn’t believe that you’d take it seriously in the first place (if you haven’t guessed already, I don’t share your confidence in Mac’s reads).

4. Again, Jack claims that if there were THREE Mafia in the list? THREE? Where on earth did he pull that number from? Fear not, I know...

5. If Jack were Mafia and was alone on Mac’s list, he’d simply ignore it. Well, good for him! I’m not Jack and as a member of this Town team, I AM going to defend the ONE person that I absolutely know with 100% certainty is Town from being thrown on Mafia lists and being voted for by people who wouldn’t know my Town meta if they fell over it!

[Glorfindel]

Also, do I think Jack is bad? I’ll tell you [mention]juliets[/mention] I see no evidence to suggest that he isn’t. Do I think he’s bad because of his case on me? No. I think he’s bad because of his lack of a case on me. The thing is, his argument is so inept, it’s kinda hard to believe that any Mafia would even attempt such a thing...?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Dude getting people lynched has just as much to do with timing your cases as it does with having one. You've gone off too early.

I’ve gotten more people lynched than you’ll ever remotely approach you load

[Lunalee]

@Lunalee I missed that you had voted INH so I guess he is one you think has been laying low, much like I thought.

I also suspect Kara, because he hasn't said much.

[Jackofhearts2005]

LC = scrotum ... I am not entirely sure what that means.

I've been called out as scum before but I gotta say, I've never been called out as scrotum before.

Must mean I'm a better mafia player than @Long Con

Nope.

LC is the dog's bollocks.

Also, not a good thing to be read as.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I think Colin has seemed authentic in his play so far. Jack hasn’t done much, so I award no civilian points. There is precedent for him to goof off as a good guy so tread carefully, but it’s an easy meta to mimic. Indeed that’s the value of the meta.

Can you explain why you trust me in specific reference to my play in this game?

All three of these points are spot on and I award Slytherin 10 house points for this post.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Spoiler: show

Beefs with Soneji

[VOTE: Sonjei] aubergine

Hufflepuffs are wimps and he’s from a poor family.

*sneer*

Hitting at house and home already, ouch.

This Glorf talk reminds me of the presence of Veritaserum. This game has lie detection - can we lie-detect any post successfully, or are there restrictions? Some games have a rule that you can't LD answers to direct questions, to avoid everyone lining up and saying "I am a Civilian" as an automatic checkable phrase. Also, what happens when Glorf is given Veritaserum? Super-honesty?

The effects of Veritaserum are described in the OPs under set-up, which clearly state it's limitations. Any attempts at a loophole would be grounds for asking the host, not something to go off on a tangent discussing with other players. I am puzzled at why you are asking about it's effect on a specific player, unless it's meant to be a joke as by what I can ascertain from other's posts Glorf has a truth meta.

I don't see a point in this post in furthering town's goals, if anything it reminds mafia of a mechanic they might have forgotten about. It just wants to go off into pure speculation, you don't even bring up any good targets for use of it.

Baseless mechanics talk is a general scumtell for me so :

[/b]Vote Lynch Longcon[/b]

Didn't know that triggered the voting function here, that was :

Vote Lynch Longcon

My initial take on LC's discussion of mechanics was negative, so I don't fault Soneji for adopting the same view. I highlighted a portion though which rubs the wrong way, in that it's devoid of context. "This is a thing that is suspicious, LC did the thing, thus I vote." The mindset is civilian-compatible, but the delivery irks me. It's less important than what follows in this post.

~~~

I think this has merit, the times when I have caught myself scum slipping it has been on minor things like this. By itself I wouldn't jump on this but that Owner has spent this whole phase tunneled on someone over a previous game adds to their rapsheet.

~~~

These posts from Lunalee all slightly pinged me, the mocking joke in response to TH, the preemptive excuse for voting off leading wagons, the overly long somewhat passive-aggressive post to say he's town and the fact that they prompted this JJJ wagon but only just joined it this late.


Vote Lynch Lunalee

I omitted content from this post to make it smaller. The first portion (red) refers to Owner. All of it reads badly to me. Foremost, I just don't like "when I have caught myself scum slipping it has been on minor things like this" -- it is some vague, unverifiable throwaway comment that anyone can tack on to a post to justify promoting a "slip". Discussion of slips is often controversial, because players split into camps defined by their belief in the likelihood of the phenomenon, and I believe that when bad guys falsely contribute to slip dialogue there's a need to justify such that the controversy is quelled.

The latter portion (green) is just bogus to me. If Owner believes someone is suspicious on the basis of meta, whether her approach seems rational or not, then there's no reason why she wouldn't pursue that suspicion over the course of a day -- particularly when people were asking her about it. That's the image of constancy, but not a sort of constancy driven by the Owner as much as by everyone who questioned Owner. This looks like a smear.

The Lunalee stuff isn't as bothersome, though the orange bit there is not an agreeable assessment of the post in question (click back to Soneji's original post for clarification).

My Lunalee lynch isn't going anywhere so it seems it's between Owner and TH. Owner had a potential scumslip but it's so slight that I'm not willing to bank on that. TH's push on me is bad and they have had some odd interactions. What edges things out for me is that Luna and TH are voting Owner, while Owner is not voting TH, scum would have to be really unmotivated to not self-pres.

[VOTE: Turnip Head] aubergine

Not sure I buy his suspicion of Turnip Head. The "push on me is bad" assertion traces back to this thing which does nothing for me, and "odd interactions" is essentially meaningless sans-expansion. He finagled his way into a lynch of a player who wanted his head.

I could sheep this.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Nutella is bouncing around like she’s tethered to something. If she accuses me, I could say “But I am town” and I would expect her to back off.

[Jackofhearts2005]

KYLE

Last time you did this, Kyle murdered you and I thought he wouldn’t have.

(Yay actually following up on meta suspicions post game)

[Long Con]

Glorfindel's game has been 90% talking about how great JJJ is, 10% sort of thinking Quin might maybe be bad, and 10% defending against Jack with a crisp almond OMGUS flavour. That's not what I remember Glorf's game being, and it's making me suspicious.

[mention]Glorfindel[/mention] I feel like you're usually Civ, and I can't remember a game where you were bad. Are there one or two games that you have drawn Mafia roles that I could reference? JJJ the mnemonic Mafia memorizer could answer that as well I bet.

[ColinIsCool]

I changed my vote to Colin for now.

I wouldn’t mind getting lynched tbh. Confirm me as civ then rezz me. Have I mentioned that people with rezzes should use them?

[ColinIsCool]

Also, the logic I'm using is not foolproof at all, it isn't technically information based, so I'm not saying this in a "follow me, my people" way. I'm making too many assumptions to push for people to follow me, but that's where I'm at. I think bullz is CIV.

Bookmarking this in case you haven’t explained by the time I catch up

[ColinIsCool]

If 3J is bad some heavy interference has been ran by his teammates today.

Name them.

*waves sand dramatically*

Spoiler: show

*sneers*

No.

If TH is good, Owner still deserves scrutiny. If Owner is bad, check TH’s wagon.

Colin, I've some questions.

First post: you say a thing which offers no real insight on the game at hand unless I am bad, and even if I am, it's still vague and nothing. Jack gave you a chance to make it better than vague and nothing, and you declined.

Second post: no shit? TH and Owner are the two primary wagons. If TH flips good, it doesn't make Owner good -- duh. If Owner is bad, maybe her counterwagon is problematic -- duh. What are you adding to the dialogue with these posts?

Sometimes I just say things.

[Long Con]

I'm working today, soon, until too close to the lynch. There are a few cases I'd like to reread, the Soneji one looks all right, but it didn't blow my skirt up on the first read. I think Bullzeye is off the table now with a strong vote of confidence from Timmer. Is that something folks agree with? He said 'no cop' but who really knows, that's just what a cop would say. :hahah:

I'm going to leave my vote on Lunalee for now, although I could put it on kara if it came down to it. I'll try to be here before it comes down to it, to ensure I have my vote on a player that is relevant come lynch end. Maybe even get another crack at a Deathly Hallows, who knows?

[VOTE: Luna] aubergine

[ColinIsCool]

And that is a serious answer, not me trying to be a dick ... if I think an observation is worth mentioning to town I’ll put it on record. Those posts are both signals of “hey, don’t forget this if it comes down to it.”

[Long Con]

I changed my vote to Colin for now.

I wouldn’t mind getting lynched tbh. Confirm me as civ then rezz me. Have I mentioned that people with rezzes should use them?

I haven't voiced it yet, but please listen to Colin if you have a rez. Don't be wastin' a rez by dyin' on us now! Use use use! We have dead Civs. Turnip Head is cool, I'd really like him back since I sealed his doom with my tiebreaking vote.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Glorf, can you explain what you mean by "analytical gymnastics" regarding Jack's logic for voting you? Are you seeing Jack as bad right now? If so, is it because of his case on you or are there other things you are wary of?

Hi @juliets this is Jack’s post below with the associated posts included for context:

Spoiler: show

The scum are Jay, Long Con, Quin, Glorfindel and Kyle.

You have proven yourself adept at identifying mafia when you're civ so I have to seriously consider what you have to say here. What do you see about LC that says he's bad? I have a hell of a time reading him even tho I've played with him for years. And is there anything you would be willing to share about Quin, Glorf, and Kyle? I don't think I've ever seen a bad Glorf so I'd like to know what you see. Thanks for anything you're willing to share.

Forgive me but... juliets: what on earth gave you a crazy idea like that?

Here’s a thought. If Glor is scum, at least one of these other players is also scum.

Jack, how is Glor being scum relate to the others being scum?

He’s very dismissive of what he shouldn’t give a shit about. If it was just Glor as scum, he’d be okay with a world where Mac actually goes after that crew. But what if there were 3 mafia in that pile? ScumGlor would be worried about that and Glor’s post comes across worried. Like if Mac put me in a five player group and said that was the mafia, I’d ignore it. Glor didnt.

1. I’m very dismissive of what I shouldn’t give a shit about. I’m sorry but doesn’t dismissive = not give a shit? This is simply errant nonsense.

2. If It was JUST me that was Mafia - this comment suggests he has already made up his mind that I’m Mafia based on no case that I’ve read from anyone and while appearing to offer you a logical argument, he’s already trying to persuade you that I’m bad.

3. His argument here is that if I were Mafia with other members of Mac’s list, I’d feel compelled to draw attention to myself by debunking that list. I commented on that list NOT because I am defending anyone - I was commenting on it because I couldn’t believe that you’d take it seriously in the first place (if you haven’t guessed already, I don’t share your confidence in Mac’s reads).

4. Again, Jack claims that if there were THREE Mafia in the list? THREE? Where on earth did he pull that number from? Fear not, I know...

5. If Jack were Mafia and was alone on Mac’s list, he’d simply ignore it. Well, good for him! I’m not Jack and as a member of this Town team, I AM going to defend the ONE person that I absolutely know with 100% certainty is Town from being thrown on Mafia lists and being voted for by people who wouldn’t know my Town meta if they fell over it!

Nahnah.

1. There is a difference between taking the time to call out a good player as shit because he made a fake accusation of you vs ignoring it.

2. That comment supports the statement that IF you are mafia, you aren’t alone on that list.

3. You didn’t say you couldn’t believe she took it seriously. You said Mac isn’t that good at identifying scum.

4. It’s a hypothetical number.

5. If you say so. I think this is known as being overly defensive.

[insertnamehere]

INH- Eh...stop worrying about what other people have to say about you and do something worthwhile with your life, unlike David Lynch.

This is just good advice for me in general.

[nutella]

Nutella is bouncing around like she’s tethered to something. If she accuses me, I could say “But I am town” and I would expect her to back off.

[nutella]

GTH babey

ColinIsCool - town
DharmaHelper - town
insertnamehere - town
JaggedJimmyJay - town
Kylemii - scum
Bullzeye - town
Epignosis - town
Glorfindel - town
Owner of a Lonely Heart - town
poutanko - town
Soneji - scum
juliets - scum
Long Con - town
Lunalee - scum
MacDougall - scum
Quin - town
Jackofhearts2005 - town
karavalenge - scum
lapluie - town
timmer - town

[nutella]

@Lunalee I missed that you had voted INH so I guess he is one you think has been laying low, much like I thought.

I also suspect Kara, because he hasn't said much.

this post sounds.... not fake per se but kind of like an obligatory "yep let me see, oh yes kara is the other person I suspect for laying low" and then that's it. that's all she wrote. Luna has thoughts on two players in the game right now. Great

[nutella]

I'm working today, soon, until too close to the lynch. There are a few cases I'd like to reread, the Soneji one looks all right, but it didn't blow my skirt up on the first read. I think Bullzeye is off the table now with a strong vote of confidence from Timmer. Is that something folks agree with? He said 'no cop' but who really knows, that's just what a cop would say. :hahah:

I'm going to leave my vote on Lunalee for now, although I could put it on kara if it came down to it. I'll try to be here before it comes down to it, to ensure I have my vote on a player that is relevant come lynch end. Maybe even get another crack at a Deathly Hallows, who knows?

[VOTE: Luna] aubergine

Do you think luna and kara could be scummates?

[nutella]

gonna try to iso luna at some point before eod because I have not examined her nearly enough yet

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@Lunalee I missed that you had voted INH so I guess he is one you think has been laying low, much like I thought.

I also suspect Kara, because he hasn't said much.

this post sounds.... not fake per se but kind of like an obligatory "yep let me see, oh yes kara is the other person I suspect for laying low" and then that's it. that's all she wrote. Luna has thoughts on two players in the game right now. Great

Not my favorite thing either, or generally any read on Kara which doesn’t acknowledge their most emotionally charged responses to suspicion.

[speedchuck]

I changed my vote to Colin for now.

I wouldn’t mind getting lynched tbh. Confirm me as civ then rezz me. Have I mentioned that people with rezzes should use them?

NO! MY REZ! *slap*

[nutella]

Ehh I just looked at Luna's iso and could still read her either way. A lot of her hunting looks genuine but her back and forth on owner smells a bit funny and today she basically just echoed Jay re: inh.

Looking into Mac next, which won't take long as his iso is uncharacteristically short, which is already a strike against him imo.

[Turnip Head]

I changed my vote to Colin for now.

I wouldn’t mind getting lynched tbh. Confirm me as civ then rezz me. Have I mentioned that people with rezzes should use them?

NO! MY REZ! *slap*

No slapping. We settle this like men. *tries to draw his wand but it drops through my ghost hands*

[nutella]

Lots of short snappy snarky posts in true MacDougall fashion, but a lot of them don't sit right/feel natural in the way that a carefree balls-to-the-wall civ Mac does. It may be that I went in with a bias, but I feel like he could be trying too hard to imitate his town style. Like the fake "these five players are mafia" thing that was a highly unlikely list which he then analyzed reactions to. Even his reactions to the reactions looked fabricated imo. He's hardly given any real suspicions, certainly no explanations of them. Maybe I'm crazy, but maybe Mac is bad.

[Lunalee]

[mention]karavalenge[/mention] [mention]DharmaHelper[/mention] [mention]ColinIsCool[/mention] seeing as how Owner requested to be replaced, does that change your stance on wanting her lynched? There are better trains to jump on today. Just saying.

[nutella]

Mac calls quin and nutella scum.

Quin and nutella vote Mac.

Do better nerds.

I thought Quin was one of your "fake" suspicions and I was one of your drunken "real" ones. Why do you lump us together here? Just cus it's convenient?

[nutella]

I was looking for alternative places to plop the ol’ vote, and I was surprised how perturbed I was when I scanned Soneji’s posts. I will explain soon, but for now y’all can take your own looks.

Soneji is the most scummy player in the game and after all the fun and games are over I am going to destroy. In the meantime though there is still fun to be had.

Quin, you suck.

If Soneji is the scummiest player in the game why were you only inspired to mention him after Jay brought him up as a prime lynch candidate?

[Jackofhearts2005]

@karavalenge @DharmaHelper @ColinIsCool seeing as how Owner requested to be replaced, does that change your stance on wanting her lynched? There are better trains to jump on today. Just saying.

It probably shouldn’t. Like Owner’s alignment hasn’t changed. Where are you going with this?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Nutella and Mac should fight.

[Jackofhearts2005]

*duel

[DharmaHelper]

@karavalenge @DharmaHelper @ColinIsCool seeing as how Owner requested to be replaced, does that change your stance on wanting her lynched? There are better trains to jump on today. Just saying.

Yes it does. I do suspect Owner, but I'd feel like a scumbag if I lynched her after a family emergency, and if she does get replaced I'd like to see if the person who replaces her is as suspicious or if I just read her wrong

[DharmaHelper]

I overslept so I dunno if I will get to the ISOing or not bu I'll do my best. lemme gets situated.