The Syndicate

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:58 pm i skimmed ted’s iso and my conclusion is that i don’t know how to read ted

#helpfulposts

guess that's it for me

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:49 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:09 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:08 am Im a cop lol

Ahhh say less

scummy reaction

How lol

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:57 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:40 am LC's and Mac's interaction came across as town-town to me.

Elaborate

When talking it seemed like they were working together and one wasn't trying to undermine the other.

i skimmed lc’s iso and i once again have no idea

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:57 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:54 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:52 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:26 am In my experience, Long Con has displayed irritation when suspected either way, but the form of the irritation may be distinct. When he's mafia, the irritation is a more overt kind of rage, like someone railing against an offensive that truly threatens him. When's he's town, the irritation is a more sarcastic dismissal of everyone else, like they and the entire game of Mafia itself are all nonsense that should be treated like nonsense.

I don't know that I see much irritation at this point though.

I don't remember LC being that irritated when he was mafia in MtG

LC was irritated as mafia in Bike. But he was also irritated as town in Fallout.

So it's NAI then

Yes, do you suspect him for other things?

I'll iso him soon

it’s been like... a hot minute since i played here and i think i forgot how to read you all

the horror

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:41 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:38 pm [VOTE: fingersplints] aubergine

I will not be around much today. I feel vaguely interested in pursuing a fingersplints suspicion, but I won’t have time to see it through. I’ll try to dig up a few things for discussion’s sake.

Interesting, I hadn't felt suspicion of her. Looking forward to the discussion things.

I also haven’t felt suspicion of her and look forward to the discussion.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:06 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:49 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:09 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:08 am Im a cop lol

Ahhh say less

scummy reaction

How lol

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:57 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:40 am LC's and Mac's interaction came across as town-town to me.

Elaborate

When talking it seemed like they were working together and one wasn't trying to undermine the other.

It felt like an awkward reaction.

I don't understand your last post. they were both disagreeing with each other which sounds like undermining to me. And if they weren't undermining then it could be mafia-mafia as well.

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:07 pm it’s been like... a hot minute since i played here and i think i forgot how to read you all

the horror

Hally really is just mafia then

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:07 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:57 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:54 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:52 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:26 am In my experience, Long Con has displayed irritation when suspected either way, but the form of the irritation may be distinct. When he's mafia, the irritation is a more overt kind of rage, like someone railing against an offensive that truly threatens him. When's he's town, the irritation is a more sarcastic dismissal of everyone else, like they and the entire game of Mafia itself are all nonsense that should be treated like nonsense.

I don't know that I see much irritation at this point though.

I don't remember LC being that irritated when he was mafia in MtG

LC was irritated as mafia in Bike. But he was also irritated as town in Fallout.

So it's NAI then

Yes, do you suspect him for other things?

I'll iso him soon

Not really other than a weird reaction to Mac's post. I suspect him less than BK and my other scum reads.

The one thing I did like about LC was his clapback to odd with the whole "Im voting for 6/8PM" thing

Welcome to the game Hally and Dom. Good luck catching up!

[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

On closer inspection, I don't actually feel like pushing a fingersplints suspicion. She can be town.

[VOTE: VOTE TSP] aubergine


Al Sama is a great option as well, also Marmot

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:11 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:07 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:57 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:54 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:52 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:26 am In my experience, Long Con has displayed irritation when suspected either way, but the form of the irritation may be distinct. When he's mafia, the irritation is a more overt kind of rage, like someone railing against an offensive that truly threatens him. When's he's town, the irritation is a more sarcastic dismissal of everyone else, like they and the entire game of Mafia itself are all nonsense that should be treated like nonsense.

I don't know that I see much irritation at this point though.

I don't remember LC being that irritated when he was mafia in MtG

LC was irritated as mafia in Bike. But he was also irritated as town in Fallout.

So it's NAI then

Yes, do you suspect him for other things?

I'll iso him soon

Not really other than a weird reaction to Mac's post. I suspect him less than BK and my other scum reads.

The one thing I did like about LC was his clapback to odd with the whole "Im voting for 6/8PM" thing

Can you explain your BK scumread? I don't really get that one.

leaning v on michelle. she’s more comfortable than her wolf game

Who's Hally?

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:10 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:06 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:49 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:09 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:08 am Im a cop lol

Ahhh say less

scummy reaction

How lol

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:57 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:40 am LC's and Mac's interaction came across as town-town to me.

Elaborate

When talking it seemed like they were working together and one wasn't trying to undermine the other.

It felt like an awkward reaction.

I don't understand your last post. they were both disagreeing with each other which sounds like undermining to me. And if they weren't undermining then it could be mafia-mafia as well.

Yeah but towards the end they came together did they not? I don't think it's w/w cause I don't think Mac is wolf.

aw man, but tutuu said michelle wolfy

damn. how do i reconcile this

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:13 pm Who's Hally?

New tutu

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:13 pm Who's Hally?

As in who did they replace or who are they as a person?

meh, i’m gonna wait and see ig. gth v on michelle though

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:23 pmHowever, I would disagree that lower activity means automatic POE. I've gotten there on BK being town off just one or two posts before. In this very game, Michelle has less posts than LC yet she is being strongly townread.

To be clear, I don't think it's automatic either. It's just natural that less content would trend more toward less trust in general.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:12 pm Welcome to the game Hally and Dom. Good luck catching up!

what if someone just summarized for me so i don't have to sub out? :3

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:11 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:07 pm it’s been like... a hot minute since i played here and i think i forgot how to read you all

the horror

Hally really is just mafia then

this feels fake

are you a wolf? you can tell me

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:13 pm Who's Hally?

good question

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:17 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:11 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:07 pm it’s been like... a hot minute since i played here and i think i forgot how to read you all

the horror

Hally really is just mafia then

this feels fake

are you a wolf? you can tell me

The first few reads I saw from you were null. Those reads coupled with this post are vastly different than your entrance into Bike Mafia where you seemed to have an easy time reading players.

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:16 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:12 pm Welcome to the game Hally and Dom. Good luck catching up!

what if someone just summarized for me so i don't have to sub out? :3

#downwithketchup, but too much has happened to summarize this game generally.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:13 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:11 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:07 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:57 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:54 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:52 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:26 am In my experience, Long Con has displayed irritation when suspected either way, but the form of the irritation may be distinct. When he's mafia, the irritation is a more overt kind of rage, like someone railing against an offensive that truly threatens him. When's he's town, the irritation is a more sarcastic dismissal of everyone else, like they and the entire game of Mafia itself are all nonsense that should be treated like nonsense.

I don't know that I see much irritation at this point though.

I don't remember LC being that irritated when he was mafia in MtG

LC was irritated as mafia in Bike. But he was also irritated as town in Fallout.

So it's NAI then

Yes, do you suspect him for other things?

I'll iso him soon

Not really other than a weird reaction to Mac's post. I suspect him less than BK and my other scum reads.

The one thing I did like about LC was his clapback to odd with the whole "Im voting for 6/8PM" thing

Can you explain your BK scumread? I don't really get that one.

- This whole interaction to start with. I didn't think much of it to start with but it just feels like random filler which seems to be a frequency of BK.
- The iso of Al felt random and forced
- his reaction to mac's cop claim was scummy and felt fake

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:18 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:13 pm Who's Hally?

good question

Why is Hally?

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:16 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:12 pm Welcome to the game Hally and Dom. Good luck catching up!

what if someone just summarized for me so i don't have to sub out? :3

Welcome, Dom. I think summarizing game events may not help you much since it's Day 1, but I can summarize consensus. @Hally too if they need it:

Most people seem to think this is a confident town pile: MacDougall, Strawhenge, falcon, Jay

Most people seem to think this is a town pile, albeit not as certain: Alison, Sloonei, fingersplints, SPF, Esooa, Nanook, Michelle, Oddmerta

This player's slot just arrived: Dom

These reads are a mixed bag across the roster and fall into some POE pools: tutuu/Hally, BoKnows, JPIC, KZA

These people are rarely trusted: AL_sama, Long Con, Marmot, tedxtr, TSP

~~~

Looking at the posts of some of those lower names might help you find your way.

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:06 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:04 pm We’re not chopping me today

Are you trying to pull the same Jedi mind trick that swayed you so easily? (I'm addressing that in my impending catch-up post.

Something else

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:21 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:17 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:11 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:07 pm it’s been like... a hot minute since i played here and i think i forgot how to read you all

the horror

Hally really is just mafia then

this feels fake

are you a wolf? you can tell me

The first few reads I saw from you were null. Those reads coupled with this post are vastly different than your entrance into Bike Mafia where you seemed to have an easy time reading players.

1) bike mafia happened when i was still playing on here regularly and it’s been a while since then

2) i subbed into bike having already followed the game in real time because i was MoDing it. i have not read a word of this game until now

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:13 pm Who's Hally?

I'll go you one better...

“Why doesn’t tsp want to chop someone half a dozen people are telling him is confirmed town I wonder”

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:17 pm sup friends

i have read absolutely nothing. someone cliffs me?

It's day 1, so no mech info for you to dig into other than the fact that I have claimed a provable PR on my first post.

The consensus view of the gamestate is...

AL_sama is a widely suspected slot who has slanked all game and hasn't been impressive when he has showed up. A couple of people are defending him and arguing that he is being falsely accused. Of notice is a readslist he outed when Jay poked him a couple of times to do things, which contained a list of players along with a few short words beside them. The vast majority of the readslist is the single word "null", and ones he does comment on are similarly succinct (eg. he reads Jay and Alison as "town but could easily fake it as mafia"). Some people are suspicious that he has lowposted but has a readslist ready to whip out on demand. Others think that nullreading most of the game is a towntell. Michelle is probably his staunchest defender; she has memorably compared his posting to black coffee - fast, efficient and to the point. She thinks the wagon on him appeared too quickly and that he is LHF being falsely accused.

Alison is widely perceived as "seems townie, but she won the Best Mafioso award so if you suspect a deepwolf is present she's at the top of the list". Except for falcon, who straight up thinks Alison is wolfing.

BoKnows is a hotly debated slot. A few people (Alison, Mac, tutuu - your slot) think he is scum. Other people (nanook, Esooa) think he is obvious town. Most people have him floating somewhere in the POE but not as their top suspect. A big point of contention regarding BoKnows is the fact that he has been reasonably active despite the game being large and fast-moving. Some people have argued that he would be unable to keep up this level of activity as mafia, while others thinks that he's a decent wolf and shouldn't be cleared for having a pulse.

Dom is a zero poster.

Esooa is mildly trusted by a few people and there isn't really anyone who wants her dead but nobody has her as top town either. It's worth noting that all the people who know her the best in this game (SPF, Alison, MacDougall) seem to trust her pretty comfortably. She is notable for sticking out her neck to defend a few LHF slots she thinks is town, notably KZA and BK. This is consistent with her town meta.

Falcon is being townread by virtually everyone, with most people claiming that he's out of his scumrange and is just really damn townie off vibes and tone. He has expressed a suspicion towards tutuu (your slot) for some typos that he thought were faked in order to create a "clueless player posting from the heart" impression, as well as Alison for writing a compliment about his signature, which he thought was a pocket attempt.

fingersplints is being hesitantly GTHed town by most of the playerlist. She has not had many glaring scumtells in her posting, but she also hasn't been massively town. The people who know her seem to think she is town. SPF has outed a scumread on fingersplints accompanied by a case in which she argues that fingersplints has had lukewarm posting that is specifically designed to agree with consensus and be bland and hedgey. There has been some pressure on fingersplints but I think most of those people were just pressing buttons or sheeping SPF. Of note is the fact that she was blindingly obvious consensus town in all the other games she's been in where she is town, and she isn't here.

JaggedJimmyJay is being his usual super townie pro town self and is considered one of the towniest players in the game by everyone except LC (who recently outed a tinfoil on him). Even the people who disagree with his reads (eg. Oddmerta) think that Jay is being pocketed rather than pushing a scum agenda.

JPIC has been consensus POE'd due to an entrance that wasn't well received and takes that people did not agree with. One major point of discussion about JPIC has been his historical inability to reproduce the amount of WIM he has as town when he is mafia. He has been leaning to a lower side of activity this game, which has led to pressure on him, but he also has some decent posts and interactions. He is still POE'd by virtually everyone though.

KZA is in the POE because of his lackluster posting and seeming interest in solving only when pressure is put on him/only interacting with slots to try to defend himself. He has also expressed a rather suicidal "I can't do anything to get out of this, guess I'll die" attitude, which some are townreading and others are scumreading. KZA has a noticeable tone change from his usual meta, which he has explained as being a conscious choice in order to become a more "serious" mafia player, expressing frustration when he was scumread for it. Recently he has been supported by a few staunch allies, who have said that his posting may look bad on the surface but has noticeable progressions and attempts at solving, and that he is being pushed as a LHF slot but is ultimately a misexe.

Long Con is in the POE for a lot of people, but isn't a "priority" exe for most. Most of the consensus town leaders think he has nothing going for him and he seems grumpier and less carefree than usual, which would make sense in a world where all the consensus town are loud and solvey and the mafia are all POE'd. Mac has recently spoken up in his defense saying that he is giving off the irritated vibe that he does when he is town but not when he is scum. Alison said she thinks he is either town or bussing scum, and that either way he should be left alone D1. Nobody else seems have a strong opinion or really care all too much about Long Con.

MacDougall is seen as one of the towniest players in the game by nearly everyone, although unusually he is being sheeped and listened to less than usual. He is doing the usual powertown aggressive scumhunting routine.

Marmot hasn't done much, and is just coasting along, leading him to be POE'd by most of the game. He has defended himself by saying that he usually doesn't do anything D0/D1. SPF and Mac have both argued that he is a slot of concern because he seems to be lacking the motivation to play in a gamestate that is unfriendly to mafia.

Michelle is being championed as bleeding obvious townie by most of the consensus town. There have been a couple of attempts to start wagons on her but they have been quickly shot down. Her posting has been super high energy, direct and carefree, and the amount of effort she has put into the game despite entering late and having a lot to catch up on has been cited as a strong reason to townread her.

Nanook is a slot that is somewhat controversial. Nobody has a hugely strong opinion of him, but some people scumlean him and others townlean him. He has not had a massive thread presence this game (which Alison thinks is townie), but has been quietly pushing his personal strong reads, such as an insistence that BoKnows is town. He has called himself ridiculously townie a few times and generally seems content to chill and let the game go by as long as the reads he cares about aren't violated.

Oddmerta is a hugely controversial slot. He has been largely suspected the whole game for having questionable pushes (such as a strong scumread of Sloonei) with logic that isn't convincing to most people. Most people either believe he should be hard POE'd or that he is just town. He has been called a fountain of confirmation bias by Jay, and TonyStarkPrime contends that he is wolf faking a tunnel but doing it awkwardly. Alison has claimed an extremely strong townread on Oddmerta and asked other people to trust her on it: given he is the second largest wagon, not everyone is willing to do so. LC and BoKnows particularly have pushed against the idea that they should ignore their personal read just because a townie person says to. Sloonei thinks he is "silly town".

Sloonei has been more quiet than in other games he has powertowned like Fallout or Christmas. Jay has a confident townread on him, and he has a confident townread on Jay - the two of them have godreads on each other so most people seem happy to accept that he is town. Oddmerta goes against the grain in heavily suspecting him, but when Sloonei posts it is classically townie enough (in tone, agenda, energy, content, etc.) that most people have him as a comfortably strong townread. He has been pushing tutuu (your slot) for a bit for questionable/faked reads.

Staypositivefriend has been the source of some debate. I don't recall many people being actively suspicious of her, but there were a few narrowed squints and glances directed her way, notably from Esooa and Alison. At one point tutuu (your slot) fiercely scumread SPF, but has since flipped into hard townreading her. Alison has flipped into townleaning SPF as well.

Strawhenge is an old school Syndicate player who is returning from a multiple year absence from mafia. Most people have tended to think he is just town off tone, vibes and good old effortposting. He is noticeably overwhelmed by the speed of the thread as he is used to slower games. A few people (notably including Jay, who knew him from before) have argued that an overwhelmed returning player would not have the WIM to put in as much effort as he has as mafia.

tedxtr has mostly slanked this game and is POE'd by the majority of the game. He seems pretty concerned with Marmot, asking about him a few times and also bringing him up out of nowhere (which caused Mac to lock him scum). He had an interaction with Mac where Mac called him scum and he accused Mac of trolling him. This was not well received: Jay felt that it exposed a "am I being reaction tested" mindset rather than a solving one, and Alison thinks it's a way to undermine Mac's read.

TonyStarkPrime has been a wild card this game. His posts and arguments have been largely confusing to players in the game - Jay called his posting "a rip in the fabric of space and time". He has played up this persona, which Alison reads as scummy. Recently he has tried to get a wagon going on Michelle, seemingly unprompted - Alison thought this was a severely scummy move. TSP has largely taken contrarian stances to thread consensus this game. He's spent a lot of time posting stream of consciousness stuff, and at the start of the game unpromptedly suggested the game was multiball, which caused some people to accuse him of having TMI that the game is multiball (because he is in a smaller than expected scum team). He has defended himself by claiming that the game's flavor is his favorite TV show and that its structure and plot lends itself to naturally suggest a multiball setup.

tutuu (your slot) has been a controversial slot this game. MacDougall has very strongly and insistently called her town, claiming that he has a godread on her. She has had a few reads that seriously went against thread consensus - for example calling Strawhenge and SPF scum, and KZA obvious town. These reads weren't given with much reasoning attached, and she has repeatedly insisted on refusing to give reasons for them, along with some AtE and provocative comments about how players who are too confident in the POE are blowing their own horn and should tamper down their ego. Sloonei contends that her reads and tone are fake and hollow, while Esooa has argued that she fits her town meta more because she would be putting more effort to be agreeable and make friends instead of enemies if she was scum, rather than say things like "not reading lol!". Alison initially suspected her, but came around to her being town after a spate of townie posting and comparison of her meta to Seventh Saga.

Its a good read and it says good things about Marmot but idk how much it applies here

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:24 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:21 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:17 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:11 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:07 pm it’s been like... a hot minute since i played here and i think i forgot how to read you all

the horror

Hally really is just mafia then

this feels fake

are you a wolf? you can tell me

The first few reads I saw from you were null. Those reads coupled with this post are vastly different than your entrance into Bike Mafia where you seemed to have an easy time reading players.

1) bike mafia happened when i was still playing on here regularly and it’s been a while since then

2) i subbed into bike having already followed the game in real time because i was MoDing it. i have not read a word of this game until now

Ok that's fair.

marmot, i skimmed your iso and i dislike it

can you link me recent town/scum games? preferably large ones. i want to see how you play in big games

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:21 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:13 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:11 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:07 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:57 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:54 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:52 pm

I don't remember LC being that irritated when he was mafia in MtG

LC was irritated as mafia in Bike. But he was also irritated as town in Fallout.

So it's NAI then

Yes, do you suspect him for other things?

I'll iso him soon

Not really other than a weird reaction to Mac's post. I suspect him less than BK and my other scum reads.

The one thing I did like about LC was his clapback to odd with the whole "Im voting for 6/8PM" thing

Can you explain your BK scumread? I don't really get that one.

Spoiler: show

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:58 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:57 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:55 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:53 pm can scum pls tell me they're scum to help me solve the game?

What if you're scum tho

then I'm a fool

what do you mean?

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 4:04 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:59 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:58 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:57 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:55 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:53 pm can scum pls tell me they're scum to help me solve the game?

What if you're scum tho

then I'm a fool

what do you mean?

i agree i think bo scumslipped

[VOTE: boknows] aubergine

die wolf

I find people making posts ‘if the wolves can out themselves to make game easier’ is slightly wolfy.

However, i think it’s hasty to call it a scum slip rn. I just don’t really see the point in his last two posts

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:12 am

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:38 am Skimmed through Al's ISO and was not impressed. Towards the end he made a giant read list and falcon said something like "it looks like you don't want to lynch anybody", and Al responded by saying he's not confident in his read list. If you're not confident enough in your reads why even bother making a readlist??? It seems like he made a readlist to just make a readlist.

die

- This whole interaction to start with. I didn't think much of it to start with but it just feels like random filler which seems to be a frequency of BK.
- The iso of Al felt random and forced
- his reaction to mac's cop claim was scummy and felt fake

Random filler... I feel like half this game has been random filler from people. I iso'd Al because when I woke up there was a massive wagon built up on him out of nowhere so I wanted to see the cause. Idek what that last one even means.

LOL that's me, Mr Grump.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:21 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:18 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:13 pm Who's Hally?

good question

Why is Hally?

i don’t know

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:34 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:33 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:31 pm i have determined that Mr. Mac Dougall is a VILLAGER and my reads are now his reads

Funny you should say that, because he has determined that I am a villager and his reads are now my reads, with the caveat that I am turbo'd if too many townies in a row get exed.

alright then you can tell me who to vote too

My POE right now is ted, TSP, Al sama, and KZA.

KZA is probably lower priority than the others because there have been townie people willing to stand up for them while the others have nothing in their favor. I don't really get the towncase on KZA but the others are scummy as shit too so I don't really care who dies. If Al sama specifically flips scum then I'd turbo BK due to an interaction that looked extremely extremely teammatey, but if Al sama is town then BK isn't as big of a priority.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:24 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:17 pm sup friends

i have read absolutely nothing. someone cliffs me?

► Show Spoiler

It's day 1, so no mech info for you to dig into other than the fact that I have claimed a provable PR on my first post.

The consensus view of the gamestate is...

AL_sama is a widely suspected slot who has slanked all game and hasn't been impressive when he has showed up. A couple of people are defending him and arguing that he is being falsely accused. Of notice is a readslist he outed when Jay poked him a couple of times to do things, which contained a list of players along with a few short words beside them. The vast majority of the readslist is the single word "null", and ones he does comment on are similarly succinct (eg. he reads Jay and Alison as "town but could easily fake it as mafia"). Some people are suspicious that he has lowposted but has a readslist ready to whip out on demand. Others think that nullreading most of the game is a towntell. Michelle is probably his staunchest defender; she has memorably compared his posting to black coffee - fast, efficient and to the point. She thinks the wagon on him appeared too quickly and that he is LHF being falsely accused.

Alison is widely perceived as "seems townie, but she won the Best Mafioso award so if you suspect a deepwolf is present she's at the top of the list". Except for falcon, who straight up thinks Alison is wolfing.

BoKnows is a hotly debated slot. A few people (Alison, Mac, tutuu - your slot) think he is scum. Other people (nanook, Esooa) think he is obvious town. Most people have him floating somewhere in the POE but not as their top suspect. A big point of contention regarding BoKnows is the fact that he has been reasonably active despite the game being large and fast-moving. Some people have argued that he would be unable to keep up this level of activity as mafia, while others thinks that he's a decent wolf and shouldn't be cleared for having a pulse.

Dom is a zero poster.

Esooa is mildly trusted by a few people and there isn't really anyone who wants her dead but nobody has her as top town either. It's worth noting that all the people who know her the best in this game (SPF, Alison, MacDougall) seem to trust her pretty comfortably. She is notable for sticking out her neck to defend a few LHF slots she thinks is town, notably KZA and BK. This is consistent with her town meta.

Falcon is being townread by virtually everyone, with most people claiming that he's out of his scumrange and is just really damn townie off vibes and tone. He has expressed a suspicion towards tutuu (your slot) for some typos that he thought were faked in order to create a "clueless player posting from the heart" impression, as well as Alison for writing a compliment about his signature, which he thought was a pocket attempt.

fingersplints is being hesitantly GTHed town by most of the playerlist. She has not had many glaring scumtells in her posting, but she also hasn't been massively town. The people who know her seem to think she is town. SPF has outed a scumread on fingersplints accompanied by a case in which she argues that fingersplints has had lukewarm posting that is specifically designed to agree with consensus and be bland and hedgey. There has been some pressure on fingersplints but I think most of those people were just pressing buttons or sheeping SPF. Of note is the fact that she was blindingly obvious consensus town in all the other games she's been in where she is town, and she isn't here.

JaggedJimmyJay is being his usual super townie pro town self and is considered one of the towniest players in the game by everyone except LC (who recently outed a tinfoil on him). Even the people who disagree with his reads (eg. Oddmerta) think that Jay is being pocketed rather than pushing a scum agenda.

JPIC has been consensus POE'd due to an entrance that wasn't well received and takes that people did not agree with. One major point of discussion about JPIC has been his historical inability to reproduce the amount of WIM he has as town when he is mafia. He has been leaning to a lower side of activity this game, which has led to pressure on him, but he also has some decent posts and interactions. He is still POE'd by virtually everyone though.

KZA is in the POE because of his lackluster posting and seeming interest in solving only when pressure is put on him/only interacting with slots to try to defend himself. He has also expressed a rather suicidal "I can't do anything to get out of this, guess I'll die" attitude, which some are townreading and others are scumreading. KZA has a noticeable tone change from his usual meta, which he has explained as being a conscious choice in order to become a more "serious" mafia player, expressing frustration when he was scumread for it. Recently he has been supported by a few staunch allies, who have said that his posting may look bad on the surface but has noticeable progressions and attempts at solving, and that he is being pushed as a LHF slot but is ultimately a misexe.

Long Con is in the POE for a lot of people, but isn't a "priority" exe for most. Most of the consensus town leaders think he has nothing going for him and he seems grumpier and less carefree than usual, which would make sense in a world where all the consensus town are loud and solvey and the mafia are all POE'd. Mac has recently spoken up in his defense saying that he is giving off the irritated vibe that he does when he is town but not when he is scum. Alison said she thinks he is either town or bussing scum, and that either way he should be left alone D1. Nobody else seems have a strong opinion or really care all too much about Long Con.

MacDougall is seen as one of the towniest players in the game by nearly everyone, although unusually he is being sheeped and listened to less than usual. He is doing the usual powertown aggressive scumhunting routine.

Marmot hasn't done much, and is just coasting along, leading him to be POE'd by most of the game. He has defended himself by saying that he usually doesn't do anything D0/D1. SPF and Mac have both argued that he is a slot of concern because he seems to be lacking the motivation to play in a gamestate that is unfriendly to mafia.

Michelle is being championed as bleeding obvious townie by most of the consensus town. There have been a couple of attempts to start wagons on her but they have been quickly shot down. Her posting has been super high energy, direct and carefree, and the amount of effort she has put into the game despite entering late and having a lot to catch up on has been cited as a strong reason to townread her.

Nanook is a slot that is somewhat controversial. Nobody has a hugely strong opinion of him, but some people scumlean him and others townlean him. He has not had a massive thread presence this game (which Alison thinks is townie), but has been quietly pushing his personal strong reads, such as an insistence that BoKnows is town. He has called himself ridiculously townie a few times and generally seems content to chill and let the game go by as long as the reads he cares about aren't violated.

Oddmerta is a hugely controversial slot. He has been largely suspected the whole game for having questionable pushes (such as a strong scumread of Sloonei) with logic that isn't convincing to most people. Most people either believe he should be hard POE'd or that he is just town. He has been called a fountain of confirmation bias by Jay, and TonyStarkPrime contends that he is wolf faking a tunnel but doing it awkwardly. Alison has claimed an extremely strong townread on Oddmerta and asked other people to trust her on it: given he is the second largest wagon, not everyone is willing to do so. LC and BoKnows particularly have pushed against the idea that they should ignore their personal read just because a townie person says to. Sloonei thinks he is "silly town".

Sloonei has been more quiet than in other games he has powertowned like Fallout or Christmas. Jay has a confident townread on him, and he has a confident townread on Jay - the two of them have godreads on each other so most people seem happy to accept that he is town. Oddmerta goes against the grain in heavily suspecting him, but when Sloonei posts it is classically townie enough (in tone, agenda, energy, content, etc.) that most people have him as a comfortably strong townread. He has been pushing tutuu (your slot) for a bit for questionable/faked reads.

Staypositivefriend has been the source of some debate. I don't recall many people being actively suspicious of her, but there were a few narrowed squints and glances directed her way, notably from Esooa and Alison. At one point tutuu (your slot) fiercely scumread SPF, but has since flipped into hard townreading her. Alison has flipped into townleaning SPF as well.

Strawhenge is an old school Syndicate player who is returning from a multiple year absence from mafia. Most people have tended to think he is just town off tone, vibes and good old effortposting. He is noticeably overwhelmed by the speed of the thread as he is used to slower games. A few people (notably including Jay, who knew him from before) have argued that an overwhelmed returning player would not have the WIM to put in as much effort as he has as mafia.

tedxtr has mostly slanked this game and is POE'd by the majority of the game. He seems pretty concerned with Marmot, asking about him a few times and also bringing him up out of nowhere (which caused Mac to lock him scum). He had an interaction with Mac where Mac called him scum and he accused Mac of trolling him. This was not well received: Jay felt that it exposed a "am I being reaction tested" mindset rather than a solving one, and Alison thinks it's a way to undermine Mac's read.

TonyStarkPrime has been a wild card this game. His posts and arguments have been largely confusing to players in the game - Jay called his posting "a rip in the fabric of space and time". He has played up this persona, which Alison reads as scummy. Recently he has tried to get a wagon going on Michelle, seemingly unprompted - Alison thought this was a severely scummy move. TSP has largely taken contrarian stances to thread consensus this game. He's spent a lot of time posting stream of consciousness stuff, and at the start of the game unpromptedly suggested the game was multiball, which caused some people to accuse him of having TMI that the game is multiball (because he is in a smaller than expected scum team). He has defended himself by claiming that the game's flavor is his favorite TV show and that its structure and plot lends itself to naturally suggest a multiball setup.

tutuu (your slot) has been a controversial slot this game. MacDougall has very strongly and insistently called her town, claiming that he has a godread on her. She has had a few reads that seriously went against thread consensus - for example calling Strawhenge and SPF scum, and KZA obvious town. These reads weren't given with much reasoning attached, and she has repeatedly insisted on refusing to give reasons for them, along with some AtE and provocative comments about how players who are too confident in the POE are blowing their own horn and should tamper down their ego. Sloonei contends that her reads and tone are fake and hollow, while Esooa has argued that she fits her town meta more because she would be putting more effort to be agreeable and make friends instead of enemies if she was scum, rather than say things like "not reading lol!". Alison initially suspected her, but came around to her being town after a spate of townie posting and comparison of her meta to Seventh Saga.

Thank you

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:27 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:21 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:18 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:13 pm Who's Hally?

good question

Why is Hally?

i don’t know

How is Hally?

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:37 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:32 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:44 am I feel like JJJ has been on and off the AL_sama vote several times today. He's off again now. Kind of feel like he's going to end up on AL_sama, and AL_sama will flip town, and it's how wolf JJJ would operate.

I know I'm not supposed to put suspicion on the players who aren't in PoE, or to say that a top scumread will flip town... I just had that thought when I saw AL_sama back to two votes.

I disallow you from stirring up tinfoil about Jay because I think he's an IC right now. However you are welcome to scumhunt elsewhere. There are people in the POE besides Al and if Al doesn't suit your fancy you're more than welcome to case and vote some other player.

@Strawhenge this is what I mean by "not supposed to".

I acknowledge your words, Alison, thank you.

You can suspect players who aren't in the POE or say that a top scumread will flip town.

I'm only disallowing you from pushing Jay.

if you let me live i can put in the work later, most likely

i'm usually easily clearable if i want to be

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:21 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:13 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:11 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:07 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:57 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:54 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:52 pm

I don't remember LC being that irritated when he was mafia in MtG

LC was irritated as mafia in Bike. But he was also irritated as town in Fallout.

So it's NAI then

Yes, do you suspect him for other things?

I'll iso him soon

Not really other than a weird reaction to Mac's post. I suspect him less than BK and my other scum reads.

The one thing I did like about LC was his clapback to odd with the whole "Im voting for 6/8PM" thing

Can you explain your BK scumread? I don't really get that one.

Spoiler: show

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:58 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:57 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:55 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:53 pm can scum pls tell me they're scum to help me solve the game?

What if you're scum tho

then I'm a fool

what do you mean?

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 4:04 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:59 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:58 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:57 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:55 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:53 pm can scum pls tell me they're scum to help me solve the game?

What if you're scum tho

then I'm a fool

what do you mean?

i agree i think bo scumslipped

[VOTE: boknows] aubergine

die wolf

I find people making posts ‘if the wolves can out themselves to make game easier’ is slightly wolfy.

However, i think it’s hasty to call it a scum slip rn. I just don’t really see the point in his last two posts

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:12 am

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:38 am Skimmed through Al's ISO and was not impressed. Towards the end he made a giant read list and falcon said something like "it looks like you don't want to lynch anybody", and Al responded by saying he's not confident in his read list. If you're not confident enough in your reads why even bother making a readlist??? It seems like he made a readlist to just make a readlist.

die

- This whole interaction to start with. I didn't think much of it to start with but it just feels like random filler which seems to be a frequency of BK.
- The iso of Al felt random and forced
- his reaction to mac's cop claim was scummy and felt fake

- I don't think point one is necessarily AI. Many players fill the game with fluff and will do it as town.
- I didn't see the Al iso, but I'll look at it.
- I do agree about the Mac cop post thingy. Well sorta. I think that reaction looks more nervous than fake.

thanks alison

i’ll try to read and digest that all. i only skimmed it just now

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:30 pm if you let me live i can put in the work later, most likely

i'm usually easily clearable if i want to be

hey I said that in the last game I was mafia in before I got chopped.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:11 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:07 pm it’s been like... a hot minute since i played here and i think i forgot how to read you all

the horror

Hally really is just mafia then

Scummy post.

Tutuu was townie. And the quoted post is really not that scummy by Hally.