The Syndicate

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:52 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:50 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:47 pm I do not feel like TSP is the right place to vote today.

Immediate vibes on these folks please:

AL_sama
Marmot
tedxtr

No read
Town
Town

How do you feel about the current state of the game?

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:52 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:50 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:47 pm I do not feel like TSP is the right place to vote today.

Immediate vibes on these folks please:

AL_sama
Marmot
tedxtr

No read
Town
Town

Why did you answer this?

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:47 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:44 pm @Alison what’s your read on marmot?

Upper POE. Uninspiring posting, some scummy stuff, nothing really outing. Only comment is that if the game goes on a few days and Marmot continues lingering in the upper POE slot coasting along, exe him on policy, his wolf specialty is remaining perpetually the second most attractive exe for the whole game and then winning endgame.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:51 pm the top wagons look like terrible wagons

why, and should be the wagon(s) instead?

the only thing is that if i accept that the dichotomy of hally/alison is town, then it doesnt leave me with much (or any) room for deepwolves. that bothers me because i am so used to this type of gamestate having multiple buried wolves

even so, that's where my brain is leaning

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:52 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:48 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:46 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:44 pm I preemptively rue the day I finally roll mafia again and then nobody town reads me for anything whatsoever after that.

I think my question to you got lost in the sea of posts but are you able to elaborate on your TSP read for me?

It's hard to see game solving happening in his decent load of posts. There are reads, or things resembling reads, hurled into the void here and there, but I couldn't begin to piece together progressions or thought processes or cohesive solving. Sometimes his posts feel like they spring out of a random generator.

I do agree that some of the stuff he says comes out of left field. Is having random ideas/thoughts scum motivated though? My biggest gripe with TSP is that some of his posts just feel like words on paper with little to no meaning.

This is a common content about TSP posts as both alignments. The difference is that when he is town he speaks off the top of his head without filter. When he is scum he tries to fake it by machine gunning non sequiturs into the thread. So far I feel like it's the latter.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:52 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:52 pm I think Hally's posts are a pretty seamless continuation of the previous tutuu aesthetic. So far my read isn't changed, and it was airing cautiously on the town side before. I'm not super sold, but I also don't anticipate viewing Hally as the best Day 1 chop.

aesthetic?

In an abstract sense, their posts inspire similar reactions from me. Hally is closely approximating the tutuu vibe.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:54 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:51 pm the top wagons look like terrible wagons

why, and should be the wagon(s) instead?

feels like the yeets are mostly "yeets that nobody would care if they flipped town" imo due to the SYNDICATE HIERARCHY

and it's easily excusable because there are small stupid stuff that could make them wolf which are in fact bad reasons

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:53 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:52 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:50 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:47 pm I do not feel like TSP is the right place to vote today.

Immediate vibes on these folks please:

AL_sama
Marmot
tedxtr

No read
Town
Town

How do you feel about the current state of the game?

Confident that we can bring home the win, but skeptical because I never do

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:55 pm Confident that we can bring home the win, but skeptical because I never do

Does it concern you that you seem to read half the consensus POE pool as civilian?

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:50 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:47 pm I do not feel like TSP is the right place to vote today.

How come?

I'm surprised TSP is the slot that makes Sloonei and Jay fall out of sync.

Contrary to memes, we are not actually the same person. This is a non-issue.

Regarding TSP, it is more that I am not buying the suspicion against him rather than that I a firmly town reading him. I would lean town because I feel like I can see some thread of thought coming through in his posts, even if it's not always easy to understand. He did just show us that he's a highly capable liar in Fallout, but I'm not inclined to bury him Day 1 here out of vague paranoia.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:55 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:54 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:51 pm the top wagons look like terrible wagons

why, and should be the wagon(s) instead?

feels like the yeets are mostly "yeets that nobody would care if they flipped town" imo due to the SYNDICATE HIERARCHY

and it's easily excusable because there are small stupid stuff that could make them wolf which are in fact bad reasons

who should be the wagon(s) instead?

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:55 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:52 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:48 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:46 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:44 pm I preemptively rue the day I finally roll mafia again and then nobody town reads me for anything whatsoever after that.

I think my question to you got lost in the sea of posts but are you able to elaborate on your TSP read for me?

It's hard to see game solving happening in his decent load of posts. There are reads, or things resembling reads, hurled into the void here and there, but I couldn't begin to piece together progressions or thought processes or cohesive solving. Sometimes his posts feel like they spring out of a random generator.

I do agree that some of the stuff he says comes out of left field. Is having random ideas/thoughts scum motivated though? My biggest gripe with TSP is that some of his posts just feel like words on paper with little to no meaning.

This is a common content about TSP posts as both alignments. The difference is that when he is town he speaks off the top of his head without filter. When he is scum he tries to fake it by machine gunning non sequiturs into the thread. So far I feel like it's the latter.

I feel liek making posts that just feel like words would better reflect his scum game then.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:56 pm Contrary to memes, we are not actually the same person. This is a non-issue.

Regarding TSP, it is more that I am not buying the suspicion against him rather than that I a firmly town reading him. I would lean town because I feel like I can see some thread of thought coming through in his posts, even if it's not always easy to understand. He did just show us that he's a highly capable liar in Fallout, but I'm not inclined to bury him Day 1 here out of vague paranoia.

I don't feel like that. I acknowledge though that I don't understand him in general.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:45 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:57 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:36 am [VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

I don't actually plan on dying.

i'm not going to say that this is a wolftell but i have literally never seen a "I Have No Intentions Of Dying Today"-esque post that didn't come from a wolf

Do you have any other evidence for this?

i could dig up posts from previous games where wolves said similar lines but i think that would be a waste of both of our time

i will say that i subbed into this game completely on a whim without realizing how large it was AND i have another game starting within a week that’s also kind of big

i tend to thrive in smaller games and feel out of my element subbing into such a massive thread so i don’t expect myself to become an obvious villager quickly or nail immediately nail wolves left and right. if it happens it happens but don’t hold your breath

marmot - hasn't done much

ted - has motly slanked this game and when he makes reads, he's lock mafia because he cares about his single read

tsp - has been a wildcard and his posts and arguments have been confusing


these are the top wagons with reasons from alison's big post

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:59 pm marmot - hasn't done much

ted - has motly slanked this game and when he makes reads, he's lock mafia because he cares about his single read

tsp - has been a wildcard and his posts and arguments have been confusing


these are the top wagons with reasons from alison's big post

who should be the wagon(s)

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:56 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:55 pm Confident that we can bring home the win, but skeptical because I never do

Does it concern you that you seem to read half the consensus POE pool as civilian?

No, I'd prefer if the consensus was right over myself being right anyway.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:55 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:54 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:51 pm the top wagons look like terrible wagons

why, and should be the wagon(s) instead?

feels like the yeets are mostly "yeets that nobody would care if they flipped town" imo due to the SYNDICATE HIERARCHY

and it's easily excusable because there are small stupid stuff that could make them wolf which are in fact bad reasons

I think the hierarchy is definitely a mafia thing. My home site also has a hierarchy which gets annoying.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:49 pm There were a couple players I wanted to ISO last night and LC was one of them.

why

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:58 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:56 pm Contrary to memes, we are not actually the same person. This is a non-issue.

Regarding TSP, it is more that I am not buying the suspicion against him rather than that I a firmly town reading him. I would lean town because I feel like I can see some thread of thought coming through in his posts, even if it's not always easy to understand. He did just show us that he's a highly capable liar in Fallout, but I'm not inclined to bury him Day 1 here out of vague paranoia.

I don't feel like that. I acknowledge though that I don't understand him in general.

I understand him about half the time, and when I do I'm able to nod and say "yeah, I can dig it."

As a benign example, I'll point to the early-Day 0 incident where he started speculating about multiball, and I seemed to be the only one who picked up right away that he was speculating about the flavor rather than utilizing any mechanical information.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:00 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:56 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:55 pm Confident that we can bring home the win, but skeptical because I never do

Does it concern you that you seem to read half the consensus POE pool as civilian?

No, I'd prefer if the consensus was right over myself being right anyway.

So you're not concerned if someone you view as civilian ends up getting chopped (other than yourself)?

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:58 pm i will say that i subbed into this game completely on a whim without realizing how large it was AND i have another game starting within a week that’s also kind of big

i tend to thrive in smaller games and feel out of my element subbing into such a massive thread so i don’t expect myself to become an obvious villager quickly or nail immediately nail wolves left and right. if it happens it happens but don’t hold your breath

I completely sympathise with this. I too thrive in smaller games.

I mean... I looked at my ISO. Most of my posts are objectively light, mildly jokey, and reasonably fun. I don't even find one grumpy and irritated one.

esooa is very likely a villager

New rule: nobody is allowed to sarcastically comment about things like a "Syndicate hierarchy" without simultaneously presenting alternative chop options.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:59 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:59 pm marmot - hasn't done much

ted - has motly slanked this game and when he makes reads, he's lock mafia because he cares about his single read

tsp - has been a wildcard and his posts and arguments have been confusing


these are the top wagons with reasons from alison's big post

who should be the wagon(s)

i haven't reached that part yet, but my ideas would probably be fairly against the consensus anyway

whattodo.jpg

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:04 pm New rule: nobody is allowed to sarcastically comment about things like a "Syndicate hierarchy" without simultaneously presenting alternative chop options.

you can't disagree that syndicate d1 chops are almost always slankers

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:04 pm i haven't reached that part yet, but my ideas would probably be fairly against the consensus anyway

whattodo.jpg

4 hours

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:54 pm the only thing is that if i accept that the dichotomy of hally/alison is town, then it doesnt leave me with much (or any) room for deepwolves. that bothers me because i am so used to this type of gamestate having multiple buried wolves

even so, that's where my brain is leaning

What is "this type of gamestate"?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:05 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:04 pm New rule: nobody is allowed to sarcastically comment about things like a "Syndicate hierarchy" without simultaneously presenting alternative chop options.

you can't disagree that syndicate d1 chops are almost always slankers

Syndicate D1 chops are usually mafia

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:04 pm New rule: nobody is allowed to sarcastically comment about things like a "Syndicate hierarchy" without simultaneously presenting alternative chop options.

Syndicate monarchy

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:01 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:49 pm There were a couple players I wanted to ISO last night and LC was one of them.

why

I believe he had votes at the time even though he doesn't now.

Also the most likely deepwolves are probably nook or Esooa or something.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:04 pm New rule: nobody is allowed to sarcastically comment about things like a "Syndicate hierarchy" without simultaneously presenting alternative chop options.

Also I haven't mentioned any terms like "A-listers" at all.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:06 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:05 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:04 pm New rule: nobody is allowed to sarcastically comment about things like a "Syndicate hierarchy" without simultaneously presenting alternative chop options.

you can't disagree that syndicate d1 chops are almost always slankers

Syndicate D1 chops are usually mafia

ime not really

I cannot keep up with this.

there are games where d1 chops are mafia too

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:06 pm Also the most likely deepwolves are probably nook or Esooa or something.

i just skimmed esooa’s iso and she seems like her villa self. is this controversial?

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:06 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:01 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:49 pm There were a couple players I wanted to ISO last night and LC was one of them.

why

I believe he had votes at the time even though he doesn't now.

I don’t really remember LC being a wagon at any point tbh? Maybe I am misremembering

Having said that, wouldn’t you have adjusted checking isos based on the new wagons. Your original post just feels very out of place

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:02 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:00 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:56 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:55 pm Confident that we can bring home the win, but skeptical because I never do

Does it concern you that you seem to read half the consensus POE pool as civilian?

No, I'd prefer if the consensus was right over myself being right anyway.

So you're not concerned if someone you view as civilian ends up getting chopped (other than yourself)?

I'm playing a game of mafia where I'm surrounded by players of a higher skill level than I. If enough players conclude something that I don't see eye-to-eye with and they're right, then no I'm not concerned.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:55 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:54 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:51 pm the top wagons look like terrible wagons

why, and should be the wagon(s) instead?

feels like the yeets are mostly "yeets that nobody would care if they flipped town" imo due to the SYNDICATE HIERARCHY

and it's easily excusable because there are small stupid stuff that could make them wolf which are in fact bad reasons

Some players are better at projecting town than others. Some players have a smaller scumrange than others. Lurkers by definition find it difficult to project town.

Nobody wants to exe Dom slot. Nobody wants to exe Michelle except TSP and he got flak for it. To be the D1 exe you have to do something scummy beyond just lurking or being "at the bottom of the hierarchy".

I myself have never been exed D1 whether I was new to the site or not because I am good at projecting town. This suggests that townie people are spared D1 and scummy people are exed which seems reasonable enough.

Syndicate also has a >rand rate of exeing wolves D1. Based on all these points I don't think Syndicate D1s are lazy or clout based.

i'm not gonna complain, but i just can't perform at the level you guys want me to

it's been provable that i get lock cleared as the game moves on but instead you deliberately choose to vote me out early anyway

not my problem imo, i literally can't solve and won't solve rn. if you really can't find any other better yeet than me then go ahead, i won't stress

KZA wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 4:18 pm normally I would make Radish do this but he's not playing so you can take whatever read Falcon provides on me as 100% correct

BoKnows and I only played 1 game together on Canucks so you can take his read of me however you want

@falcon45ca is kza a villager?

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:58 pm i will say that i subbed into this game completely on a whim without realizing how large it was AND i have another game starting within a week that’s also kind of big

i tend to thrive in smaller games and feel out of my element subbing into such a massive thread so i don’t expect myself to become an obvious villager quickly or nail immediately nail wolves left and right. if it happens it happens but don’t hold your breath

One time I subbed into a game on a whim and scumread only townies and townread mostly mafia. I self hammered on D3 after screaming at town to exe a POE that was entirely filled with townies.

Never sub into games on a whim.

i was under the impression kza has fairly polarized ranges i.e. if you think he’s a wolf you’re right and if he’s villagery he’s indeed a villager but this is really more secondhand. i think i only played with him once and he got lunched D1 as a wolf

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:10 pm Based on all these points I don't think Syndicate D1s are lazy or clout based.

i've just quoted 3 of your reasons for wolves and 2 of them contain slanking

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:04 pm I mean... I looked at my ISO. Most of my posts are objectively light, mildly jokey, and reasonably fun. I don't even find one grumpy and irritated one.

I can vouch that I also read you as mildly grumpy Mac was scumreading you.