The Syndicate

Nope, Jack's right. About something else.

Yeah, nvm, I apparently didn’t read LC’s flips closely enough.

That’s not as useful a role as I thought it was, but yeah does confirm that radishes actually stole the role.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:10 pm

Long Con has been killed. He was Donald Trump.

You are on the lookout for fake news. If you see fake news presented through the Hosts, submit a PM to the Hosts that says, “Fake News” and the person who posted fake news will die if that individual is mafia. You may only do this once, Mr. President.

You are a civilian and win when the mafia are all dead.

It is now Day 3. You have 48 hours to lynch someone.

Read it again.

That's such a weird power.

Does that power only go off exactly if Jack rolls scum or MR steals Jack's power?

I would agree

But I put a not totally dissimilar role in AC Mafia so I can’t say much lmao

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 2:03 am That's such a weird power.

It was made for exactly one corner case and it happened.

Like old HCRealms trigger roles requiring X to target exactly Y.

Linki: Yes.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 2:03 am Does that power only go off exactly if Jack rolls scum or MR steals Jack's power?

I guess?

Presumably if the news host was town it would provide a green check?

It seems kinda useless if mafia don’t have the news role or steal it though, a one shot green check that presumably has to be used early or risk it being wasted is...fine, I guess, but sort of meh?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 2:04 am I would agree

But I put a not totally dissimilar role in AC Mafia so I can’t say much lmao

rip me

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 2:08 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 2:04 am I would agree

But I put a not totally dissimilar role in AC Mafia so I can’t say much lmao

rip me

I now empathize with your plight

...

Why are they not shooting Jack

Or me, for that matter

It's gotten past the point of WIFOM and back to me starting to suspect Jack.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 12:03 am At this point I am willing to entertain three minutes of discussion on why Jack is scum. Those three minutes begin now and end approximately when I complete this paper.

Jack has a history of making insane gambits.

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 12:34 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 7:28 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 7:23 pm You guys go first.

juliets/speed/tony

Here is DDL's PoE. What happens though if we get into a F3 of Jack/DDL/me? That would require a lynch on Nanook, and a night kill on Tony, right?

The Tony one is optional though.

I could lynch you too.

[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] why have you stopped with the gimmicks?

I'm inclined to take Hyena's gambit, tbh. Two town confirms at this point is looking very valuable.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 8:47 am I'm inclined to take Hyena's gambit, tbh. Two town confirms at this point is looking very valuable.

Especially if everyone is going to say "Golly gee maybe Jack is mafia."

I'm not. That's why I'm not dead and I guess why you're not dead.

I want to just lynch Nanook and win but I think the mechanically correct play is to lynch Hyena.

I am slightly concerned that Hyena's power will clear me and not clear Tony because Tony's ability appears to be a day power that would be submitted before the lynch. I am 99% sure that Tony is town anyway so if the path is Hyena -> Nanook, that's fine. I need to be sure we're not going Hyena -> Tony.

I think the WIFOM going on with these kills is so strong that it has to be Nanook (90% of the time and Hyena 10% of the time) even if I didn't suspect him the most anyway.

Like...I just don't seen either DDL or Tony choosing to kill Wilgy and Speed. That's not their style.

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 1:04 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 12:59 am Hyena, can you get confirmation on if a scum kill would get turned off by your power?

Will do.

Scum kills will indeed get turned off if they vote and lynch me.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 1:15 am If nanook and hyena are both town then going nanook -> hyena loses the game

If we're both town, wouldn't going hyena -> nanook lose us the game, too? :P

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 9:58 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 1:15 am If nanook and hyena are both town then going nanook -> hyena loses the game

If we're both town, wouldn't going hyena -> nanook lose us the game, too? :P

Yeh, but there’s at least logic to that order, there’s no logic to “let’s use hyena’s role by going Nanook into Hyena.”

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 9:58 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 1:15 am If nanook and hyena are both town then going nanook -> hyena loses the game

If we're both town, wouldn't going hyena -> nanook lose us the game, too? :P

Gottem.

There’s a mechanical win here but it becomes WIFOM as soon as delineate it and I think now that I’ve mentioned it it’s also too late.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 1:53 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 12:59 am Hyena, can you get confirmation on if a scum kill would get turned off by your power?

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 1:04 am Will do.

And can ya’ll both confirm that your powers work such that Tony is actually blocked if he’s scum?

Like if Tony’s poll is a day action and Hyena’s death causes a night block, that doesn’t confirm Tony if we still see a poll.

Okay, okay. Lemme check.

killing Hyena would be game-solving if we had 6 people.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 8:46 am @TonyStarkPrime why have you stopped with the gimmicks?

Couldn’t make any good ones.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 9:58 am

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 9:58 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 1:15 am If nanook and hyena are both town then going nanook -> hyena loses the game

If we're both town, wouldn't going hyena -> nanook lose us the game, too? :P

Yeh, but there’s at least logic to that order, there’s no logic to “let’s use hyena’s role by going Nanook into Hyena.”

Well, yeh, there is logic to that order, or else I wouldn't be suggesting it, but it felt like you were implying that going hyena -> nanook wouldn't lose us the game if we were both town? :P

If we all vote for Hyena we stop a scum kill, and potentially confirm Jack and Tony.

If Jack and Tony's gimmicks both work, then tomorrow I just gotta vote nanook and hope you guys trust me more than you trust him (sounds easy enough).

If either Jack or Tony fail to confirm themselves we lynch them and win.

The only problem is the possibility of Tony not getting roleblocked because he sent them in the day instead of night. I don't know if we can actually confirm how that works.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 10:05 am If we all vote for Hyena we stop a scum kill, and potentially confirm Jack and Tony.

If Jack and Tony's gimmicks both work, then tomorrow I just gotta vote nanook and hope you guys trust me more than you trust him (sounds easy enough).

If either Jack or Tony fail to confirm themselves we lynch them and win.

The only problem is the possibility of Tony not getting roleblocked because he sent them in the day instead of night. I don't know if we can actually confirm how that works.

Basically, yeah.

I think Tony is town anyway so as long as you’ll vote Nanook over Tony in F4 (cause lynching Hyena means F4 instead of F3), it’s fine.

I'd vote Tony over Nanoon tbh.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 10:04 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 8:46 am @TonyStarkPrime why have you stopped with the gimmicks?

Couldn’t make any good ones.

You should probably start thinking of some now. Use ones that can be easily be confirmed the next day, because it may be the case that I can't block the poll if you're scum, but can block the voted gimmick coming into play the next day since that happens at night. I dunno yet though.

Hyena can't you ask it to Epi hypotetically? Maybe he can answer something.

Like, "what would happen if I the person making the night gimmicks was scum and voted for me?"

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 10:17 am Hyena can't you ask it to Epi hypotetically? Maybe he can answer something.

Like, "what would happen if I the person making the night gimmicks was scum and voted for me?"

Yes, that's what I did. o: I sent him (and Mac) a PM with my question.

Jack, I need serious reasons why it’s not DDL.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 10:13 am I'd vote Tony over Nanoon tbh.

That's a problem.

Okay guys, there would be no night poll if Tony votes for me and is scum. Awesome. <3

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 10:22 am Jack, I need serious reasons why it’s not DDL.

1) DDL went after Radishes early D1 with fair points that showed MR as bad and LC as good. He didn't turn away from this lynch. This is good in a vacuum but extra good considering if DDL was a wolf, his other partner would have been absent and the wolf tendency would be to just try to survive D1 until they had a full team.
2) DDL placed a vote on you D3 and then showed up at the last second to switch to MP when it would have been really easy to just remain gone.
3) DDL doesn't shoot Speed and Wilgy. It's just not his style. Also, I'd very likely be dead by this point. Last time he was scum and I was town, I tried to nightkill him. Time before that, I lynched him D1.
4) Unlike the game I tried to NK him and where I lynched him D1, I haven't had a single ping from DDL all game. Nothing he has said has set off my radar. I've detected no scum agenda at all. No opportunism. No buddying. Even his pushes on townies have mirrored my own thoughts completely.

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 10:28 am Okay guys, there would be no night poll if Tony votes for me and is scum. Awesome. <3

So the question is just if people suspect me and you enough to go Hyena (confirming Jack) -> Nanook or to go Nanook -> ???

I think it's just Nanook and I already know I'm town so I don't really care as long as Nanook is locked into one of those lynches.

If we're gonna go Hyena -> no nk -> DDL and Nanook vote Tony and Jack and Tony vote Nanook, I'd just as soon lynch Nanook now. I feel like your play has been townie today and I'm less worried about you being scum than I was at start of day.

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 10:28 am Okay guys, there would be no night poll if Tony votes for me and is scum. Awesome. <3

I misread this.

You're saying we can safely lynch you and confirm Tony and me.

At that point [mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention] you'd absolutely vote Nanook in F4 after Tony and I prove we aren't blocked, right?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 10:39 am

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 10:28 am Okay guys, there would be no night poll if Tony votes for me and is scum. Awesome. <3

I misread this.

You're saying we can safely lynch you and confirm Tony and me.

At that point @Dragon D. Luffy you'd absolutely vote Nanook in F4 after Tony and I prove we aren't blocked, right?

Yes, we can indeed confirm you and Tony! All you need to do now is make sure you don't think DDL is mafia (I'm pretty sure he's not), and we should be set.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 10:39 am

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 10:28 am Okay guys, there would be no night poll if Tony votes for me and is scum. Awesome. <3

I misread this.

You're saying we can safely lynch you and confirm Tony and me.

At that point Dragon D. Luffy you'd absolutely vote Nanook in F4 after Tony and I prove we aren't blocked, right?

Well yeah I'll easily follow game mechanics info ober anything else.

[VOTE: Hyena] aubergine

A bit of an anti-climatic ending to the game, but I'll take it.

Jack and Tony if you fail to use your abilities tonight I'll come back after the game to haunt you.

It feels wrong to [VOTE: Hyena] aubergine since I townread him pretty strongly but I just need to tell myself this is the way because it tells others what I already know, that Tony and I are town and the last wolf has to be Nanook.

GL, everyone. <3 Not that I think you'll need it.

I would be shocked if the game continues and it’s DDL

Before night comes -- which is a while -- I want full claims from Nanook and DDL.

now if I try to avoid a hyena Lynch everyone's going to assume it's because I'm scum

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 12:29 pm Before night comes -- which is a while -- I want full claims from Nanook and DDL.

You'll have to wait.