The Syndicate

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:44 pm**

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:32 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:06 pm
Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:41 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:15 pm Just for the heck of it looked at rej and how he treated mac. He was pretty adamant that mac was bad and should be shot. (Super bus for town cred?) And then there was this post. Wouldn't it be funny if it was true and not just because he was unsure about spelling or something?

If someone already has made this point before I came in I apologize. Just found it amusing.
Hey don't apologize, it's nice to have you take a look at things with fresh eyes!

I agree with you and I forgot about this post. The readlist looks like a nice salad
If you agree then you're agreeing you're rejs teammate as well haha
Like mac asked if the question marks denoted rej's teammates and he said yes. One of them was confirmed to be an alien so I thought it would have been funny if he was being serious, but making it sound like a joke. The other question mark was on you.
On a scale of 1 to 10 how trolly is Rej?

I've never been asked this question before. Uhhh from the first time I've encountered him I've always found him to be difficult to read. He always ends up being mafia when I play with him though it seems except maybe like once. So on a scale of you to mac he's like a 7.654321 and a half.

I'm a little lower than that but I think my trolling is often too subtle and people don't get it. Such is life.

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:56 pm**

Hmmm maybe the team really is carotenoid and Mac then. If Mac is a level 10 troll it kinda lines up.

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:58 pm**

Why not Alison-MacDougall?

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:01 pm**

My view is that MacDougall needs to be shot.

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:07 pm**

Spoiler: show

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:08 pm**

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:56 pm Hmmm maybe the team really is carotenoid and Mac then. If Mac is a level 10 troll it kinda lines up.

level 10 is a bit of a stretch

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:16 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:01 pm My view is that MacDougall needs to be shot.

Don't make me actually defend myself mannnn

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:17 pm**

The Invasion Continues

The situation was getting dire. The body count was getting high. Humanity was being challenged to the extreme.

The laser gun had to hit an alien this time.

sabie12 (Bunker) was killed.

Day 5 Begins!

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:17 pm**

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:58 pm Why not Alison-MacDougall?

Have you actually read our interactions?

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:18 pm**

Oooh 1 kill.

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:21 pm**

I haven't been nightkilled in awhile. Avenge my death!

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:23 pm**

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:27 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:16 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:01 pm My view is that MacDougall needs to be shot.
Don't make me actually defend myself mannnn

You've done fuck all.

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:28 pm**

back to conflicting reads

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:33 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:27 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:16 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:01 pm My view is that MacDougall needs to be shot.
Don't make me actually defend myself mannnn
You've done fuck all.

i cannot argue with this

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:34 pm**

Did anyone save anyone other than Nutella

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:35 pm**

I saved Epignosis.

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:36 pm**

Does Mac have a legit meta for not shooting new players.

The shot into Sabie seems quite savage considering they subbed in and had to catch up like 50 pages. Maybe it's normal I have no idea.

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:36 pm**

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:35 pm I saved Epignosis.

Why?

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:36 pm**

Why are people saving me? Let me fucking die an honorable death.

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:40 pm**

I need everyone to give a crystal fucking clear read list as well as exact count of remaining protections

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:40 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:01 pm My view is that MacDougall needs to be shot.

Does Mac kill new players night 1?

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:42 pm**

Alrighty so Dunya is lock alien because I did not die. The only reason I am alive is because we've been diametrically opposed and she has to leave me alive. If she wasn't pushing me I'd be dead after the Soneji and Rej flips which are the most clearing things in a game where nobody can really actually be cleared. She's carrying my lard ass to late game hoping nutella flips her read on me is my guess. Which is probably going to happen eventually and then Dunya will be all smug about it in post.

The truth is that ever since Nutella shot rej I've been largely ignoring this game I cannot deny that. I have been multigaming way outside of my comfort zone and we got two consecutive scum flips. It felt like an easier game than the others. If I was mafia in this game I'd probably have given it more of my attention tbh.

As wifom as it is and irrelevant in this game. I don't often bus. I especially don't bus Soneji there. I don't kill new players n1. If I do bus I don't just meme bus. I get cred. I have been townie enough. If you read my ISO it will be obvious.

Today isn't lylo so [mention]nutella[/mention] if shooting me firms up your worlds it must be done today.

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:45 pm**

Dunya said something that fmpov was a scumslip. When she said "mac is compatible with everyone". I am literally compatible with nobody and Dunya would see that if she was town.

If Dunya was town, she'd have sensible reads. None of her analysis has come from any place aside from self preservation. It is literally her scum meta.

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:47 pm**

After doing a ton of situation modelling, I came to the conclusion that saving someone that is universal townread gives us more mechanical freedom and gives us info.
However, we still only have one misfire possible. If there's 2 misfires back to back we're losing no matter what at night 6. (Also, we almost never lose because we don't have protections anymore)
If we shoot an alien before N6, we have more misfire possibilities though.

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:47 pm**

Gha now MacDougall is making me doubt. I need to look at TonyStarkPrime.

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:47 pm**

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:47 pm After doing a ton of situation modelling, I came to the conclusion that saving someone that is universal townread gives us more mechanical freedom and gives us info.
However, we still only have one misfire possible. If there's 2 misfires back to back we're losing no matter what at night 6. (Also, we almost never lose because we don't have protections anymore)
If we shoot an alien before N6, we have more misfire possibilities though.

freudian slip?

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:48 pm**

What is that?

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:49 pm**

We almost never lose sounds like a perspective slip to me.

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:50 pm**

You are talking about how town can't win with back to back kills and then in brackets say 'we almost never lose" which would be true for the aliens, not for the town.

Did you just slip?

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:52 pm**

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:40 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:01 pm My view is that MacDougall needs to be shot.
Does Mac kill new players night 1?

Mac is amoral. He has no code whatsoever.

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:53 pm**

?

I'm saying we almost never lose because we don't have protections, which is something that seems to worry nutella

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:53 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:37 pm adjusting reads lets see

town:
nut
dizzy
tutuu
tsp

town lean:
proto
epi
carotte
mac
alison

idk:
nanook
dunya
lc

scum:
rej

this is not really ordered except where it is i feel like my reads are not that ground breaking and idk if that should concern me. it wouldnt super surprise me if im wrong on one of the town leans. i highly doubt there is scum at the very top though

Hally's last townlist. Tbh she actually firmed up her town read on me after this. I killed a new player I love playing with who was townreading me n1.

Lowest living player on the list is dunya.

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:53 pm**

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:53 pm ?

I'm saying we almost never lose because we don't have protections, which is something that seems to worry nutella

oh my bad i thought you were saying "we don't have protections" but you are saying we don't lose because of that right?

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:53 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:52 pm
protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:40 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:01 pm My view is that MacDougall needs to be shot.
Does Mac kill new players night 1?
Mac is amoral. He has no code whatsoever.

Man you know this isn't true at all.

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:55 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:53 pm
Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:53 pm ?

I'm saying we almost never lose because we don't have protections, which is something that seems to worry nutella
oh my bad i thought you were saying "we don't have protections" but you are saying we don't lose because of that right?

Lol yes

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:57 pm**

Rej spewed me town too but ppl gonna tinfoil i guess

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:58 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:53 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:52 pm
protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:40 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:01 pm My view is that MacDougall needs to be shot.
Does Mac kill new players night 1?
Mac is amoral. He has no code whatsoever.
Man you know this isn't true at all.

You're a fine fellow. I would let my kids play with yours.

But killing new people Night 1 is not outside your scruples.

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:59 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:58 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:53 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:52 pm
protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:40 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:01 pm My view is that MacDougall needs to be shot.
Does Mac kill new players night 1?
Mac is amoral. He has no code whatsoever.
Man you know this isn't true at all.
You're a fine fellow. I would let my kids play with yours.

But killing new people Night 1 is not outside your scruples.

I would do it if that new player was causing me immense grief.

Hally was townreading me and I love playing with her.

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:59 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:57 pm Rej spewed me town too but ppl gonna tinfoil i guess

This is flat out horse shit.

I have watched you time after time. You don't give a shit about how you look in the thread, and you are completely comfortable having your team fuck you over, are you not?

Just answer that and this will be sorted.

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:00 pm**

Argh I was gonna say that

I'm thinking again about what Sabie quoted and "does it help your PoE" is more town TMIing MacDougall than scum TMIing him

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:00 pm**

I'm behind a bit and need to take a piss.

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:01 pm**

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:00 pm Argh I was gonna say that

I'm thinking again about what Sabie quoted and "does it help your PoE" is more town TMIing MacDougall than scum TMIing him

(That was supposed to be after MacDougall's post but my wifi is slow so rip)

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:05 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:59 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:57 pm Rej spewed me town too but ppl gonna tinfoil i guess
This is flat out horse shit.

I have watched you time after time. You don't give a shit about how you look in the thread, and you are completely comfortable having your team fuck you over, are you not?

Just answer that and this will be sorted.

I don't follow your point here?

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:08 pm**

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:53 pm you asking nutella to replace sabie with mac was a total WTF moment for me tbh. felt very slimy.

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:41 pm Nothing I have seen is AI.
come on now lol. did you iso her and come to the conclusion NONE of her posts or communication with Rej/Soneji or even her mechanical analysis which you're a fan of can be AI? i cannot believe that you are unable to weigh in on even her mechanical analysis.

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:41 pm I cant trust what you say about Mac because you might not be telling me the truth.
and yet you trusted the fact that mac cannot have been involved with killing hally because i said it's probably not a syndicat who did that. so you're believing one thing i said, but refusing to believe the other. this is why i don't believe you and think you're picking and choosing what to believe based on the same criteria but telling me now you can't do that.

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:41 pm Psychology is not my strong element in mafia because I am not good at predicting people's behaviour in any given situation. Theres no reason why my weak opinion on it is better than consensus. Id prefer to use the consensus take on it than my own.
this is a game of offering opinions and reading people. every consensus starts with an opinion after all!

plus if you don't offer opinions on people beyond hard mechanics and "logic", how can we read you? also, you come across as a very confident player so your self-description of it being a "weak opinion" feels like you're intentionally downplaying yourself for sympathy and emotion.

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:41 pm My entire recent read on Alison is based on inactivity bias.
when do you plan on actually forming a read on an active player in the game?

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:41 pm I feel like you read where I was telling Dizzy that the more they scumread me, the more town I will read them, and are trying to apply this on me with a delay.
i don't care if you town read me or not. my goal in this game is to be townread first by epi (personal goal, don't @ me) and then by nutella.

you yourself have stressed that it's only nutella's opinion that matters, so why do you think i've shifted on you? logically, why would maf dunya push a universally town read proto instead of continuing with mac, carot, alison, tsp?

dunya, do you honestly think protocultures is alien? Why is my opinion of you so important but my opinion of protoctultures worthless (apparently)?

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:09 pm**

Regardless of whether or not I have no issue with my teammates attacking me, Rej is clearly not bussing. He's given himself no recourse to back off the read. It's a slank weak push on a weakened slot.

Rej wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:17 am Hey guys I am stuck on page 8 for now. And i would place my vote on Mac/Drago slot for sure now.

GTH: never seen Mac out of place like this (skimmed over him)

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Meh pages also came faster than I am able to read at work xD you guys know the shit. My PoE will arrive later than usual. If details ping me, Ill tryna quote them.

Rej wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 5:21 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:21 am [VOTE: Rej] aubergine

Not towny Rej. Where is my towny Rej? Not here, cause Rej is not town.
that vote is wasted on my slot, rather vote Mac or your new fresh suspect Alison, also I don't feel threatened, I am still catching up

you always keep on saying "not towny" "not towny"...can you go into depth? if you are so sure you can already give me a micro/macro read or even two

He pushed a now confirmed town to push me. This is always town spew.

Rej wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 5:27 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 5:32 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 5:29 am im just looking forward to this incoming proto bomb
There is much to look forward to.

Mac, why don't you vote Rej with me? I have irrefutable evidence that he is scum.
a liiiiiie, and why you suddenly want a supposed scum to vote together with you?

Continues to try to bait town Dizzy into pushing the easy miskill.

Rej wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 5:46 pm My PoE is:

Scum:
Mac
Dunya
NANOOK
Dizzy
Soneji(?)

Town:
TSP
Epi
proto
Alison
Carot(?)

I feel sure on these for now, I will go to sleep now, maybe I am here for more 15 mins or so, I haven't sorted the other 3 btw

I am top of his scum list. The other mafia is at the very bottom with a ?

Rej wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:45 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:37 pm If anyone has any objection to rej getting pew pewed speak now
I have, move me out of your PoE and I will bunker protect you

And wtf is this?

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:12 pm**

Soneji also had me at the bottom of his readslist. The mafia team plan was clearly to just get me out off the drago shit. They both died instead. It's asinine and I hope I don't need to explain it anymore tbh.

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:12 pm**

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:37 pm I am within mafia range

Tell me a few things outside of your "mafia range" if you will.

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:14 pm**

the best thing proto has going for him fmpov is that he's been made to look bad by almost every flip

I think it's between Carot and TSP for Dunya's partner. I don't think it's Alison because Alison/mac worlds have been pushed too much and it's likely that the mafia have been building to trying to convince nutella of that.

Posted: **Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:15 pm**

Rej wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 5:46 pm My PoE is:

Scum:
Mac
Dunya
NANOOK
Dizzy
Soneji(?)

Town:
TSP
Epi
proto
Alison
Carot(?)

I feel sure on these for now, I will go to sleep now, maybe I am here for more 15 mins or so, I haven't sorted the other 3 btw

Everyone in his scum list is dead except me and Dunya and they were town. Every single person in the townlist is alive.

Hmmm.

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