The Syndicate

Elaine Benes - claim dependent, probably cool
Estelle Costanza - meh
Frank Costanza - no way
George Costanza - meh
George Steinbrenner - probably cool
Jackie Chiles - maybe cool
J Peterman - no way
The Soup Nazi - probably cool
Tim Whatley - meh
Uncle Leo - fall from grace

Estelle Costanza
Frank Costanza
George Costanza
J Peterman
Tim Whatley
Uncle Leo

I think all three baddies could well be in this group. If I can find the time I'll do full ISOs on each before the night phase ends. If you're in this group and you're not a mafioso, then get in here, show your stuff, and get yourself out of hot water. If the civilians reveal themselves with the hunting effort that baddies struggle so mightily to replicate, then we can't lose.

Well I'm headed out for now to see Tia. Gonna be a great night.

I was very legitimately unable to be present until right this moment. If I had been back before now, I would have changed my vote. That means absolutely nothing though, so you all can ignore it.

I would like to proclaim, again, that I am 100% completely innocent and the perception that I am playing my hand close to my chest is simply due to me NOT being mafia and therefore not having to engage in a verbal circus of misdirection and persuasion.

current working theory:

good:
me, uncle leo
-why? because I am, despite my senior moment with the puddy vote

jerry
-why? Voted for Peterman

steinbrenner
-Why? voted for Peterman after deliberating between Puddy & peterman

frank
-Why? Out of 8 posts, has only (loosely) defended Steinbrenner & Soup Nazi, both of whom voted for Peterman. Vote for puddy is an unexplainable mark against him.

soup nazi
why? voted for peterman


definitely mafia:
peterman
-why: hasn't said much of anything substantial. voted for Puddy

Tear it apart you animals!

And Jerry, a fall from grace, really? That's rough, haven't I always been a good uncle? Who always told you that you print well?

Good start, Leo, keep it coming. Make the mafia team tremble.

Lynch Jerry tomorrow. I tracked him. He killed Kramer.

Elaine Benes wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:25 pm Lynch Jerry tomorrow. I tracked him. He killed Kramer.

No you didn't, and there's no Mafia role for redirection which could indicate that. I strongly suggest that if you're a civilian, you recant that before the night phase ends -- otherwise you're an easy kill and I'm left looking like a doofus with no defense. You know you didn't track me, so make sure everyone else gets the memo.

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:30 pm

Elaine Benes wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:25 pm Lynch Jerry tomorrow. I tracked him. He killed Kramer.

No you didn't, and there's no Mafia role for redirection which could indicate that. I strongly suggest that if you're a civilian, you recant that before the night phase ends -- otherwise you're an easy kill and I'm left looking like a doofus with no defense. You know you didn't track me, so make sure everyone else gets the memo.

I know what I'm doing Jerry. These people are idiots who all belong in cages.

Elaine Benes wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:36 pm

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:30 pm

Elaine Benes wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:25 pm Lynch Jerry tomorrow. I tracked him. He killed Kramer.

No you didn't, and there's no Mafia role for redirection which could indicate that. I strongly suggest that if you're a civilian, you recant that before the night phase ends -- otherwise you're an easy kill and I'm left looking like a doofus with no defense. You know you didn't track me, so make sure everyone else gets the memo.

I know what I'm doing Jerry. These people are idiots who all belong in cages.

Animals, I meant to say.

What's the deal with Estelle Costanza?



This lady has twelve posts, so I'm going to give you a little something to think about for all of them.

Estelle Costanza wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:22 am Wow
So many roleplaying

This is a true statement. The beauty of a sock-account game is that it inspires a lot of role play. I have no problem with this as an introductory post.

Estelle Costanza wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:24 am I have yet to see an episode of Seinfield, so I cannot roleplay. Why do I sign up? Because I wanna play here. Tonereading RP will be a challenge for sure.

My first instinct was to groan at this post, but a little extra thought has me leaning in the opposite direction. I suggested earlier that the player behind this sock might not be a long-time Syndicate regular (evidenced by "villa" in the next post and more by the underlined portion of this post). Role play is a relic of RYM transplanted to The Syndicate, and elsewhere in Mafia circles it probably isn't as commonplace. I don't struggle to imagine a civilian newly thrust into this environment legitimately feeling this way and blurting it aloud in a post. We're happy to have you, by the way.

Estelle Costanza wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:34 am Jerry is prolly my only villaread so far. Tonally good and flowing well.

This one is a minor tweak for me. On one hand I appreciate that she provided a read in a thread which to that point had not seen very many reads. I think "Jerry looks good" was about the easiest read on the table though given that I was quadrupling the post counts of most others.

Estelle Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:55 pm Greetings, I'm back

Hi!

Estelle Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:56 pm Will read the thread tomorrow since it's late for me and I need to sleep. Dream of me, my lieges.

Well that's a disappointing appearance.

Estelle Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:24 pm I lied and catching up right now.

Add David Puddy and Johnny Chiles to villa piles. They're villagery. Like the posting on the beginning of N1

Oh wait, nevermind. More town reads, again with the MU vernacular. This is an at least somewhat (probably more than somewhat) experienced Mafia player. I don't object to town-focused hunting, particularly given the prior-stated difficulties with role play.

Estelle Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:37 pm

George Steinbrenner wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:26 pm

Estelle Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:24 pm I lied and catching up right now.

Add David Puddy and Johnny Chiles to villa piles. They're villagery. Like the posting on the beginning of N1

Care to elaborate on these reads?

I like their tone, plus puddy's one post about missing EOD by refreshing the same page felt genuine

----------

Kinda think Soup is.....probably villager? He's under heat and doesn't care at all, didn't break his roleplay in which most people who's on heat usually break their roleplay.

Meh

Will think about it later.

Don't have any wolfreads atm, IDK how yall get one with all the roleplay, this will be a challenge

Sorry for missing big junk of d1 and n1 btw, life took over and I was busy (forgot about this game until today)

Gngn

At face value I like these explanations for the reads on Puddy and Soup Nazi. The highlighted portion is perhaps underwhelming. If it's coming from mafia-aligned typing fingers though it is rather belligerent in its shruggery. Typically evildoers at least try to paint someone badly, even if their own teammates.

Estelle Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:39 pm Also kinda shocked Jerry not NKed N1 when he's probably the SPK -- I have no idea who Kramer is even.

K bai

Estelle Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:46 pm SPK = Strong Player Kill

Not my favorite post in the thread. It can again be stated though that if this is mafia-driven, it's pretty obvious. One might as well just say "yes, I am trying to make you suspect Jerry more mwahahahaha". I won't award points though, it's still a bit of an eek.

Estelle Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:52 pm George, you're my least liked poster so far from the few people I can remember and I don't even know why.

Estelle Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:53 pm

George Steinbrenner wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:11 pm

David Puddy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:03 pm More distrust:
Jackie Chiles
Frank Costanza

What's not to trust about Jackie Chiles? He looks like a damn fine attorney from where I stand. Damn fine! If you have dirt on the man, my people and I wanna hear it, buster! The same goes for Costanza's father. I don't always see eye to eye with the man, there's no arguing that. But I still need to hear from you on the matter! You say you trust me. I like to think that I'm a trustworthy man. Somebody people can talk to. Big Stein's all ears! Tell me what you see in all these people. Lists of reads and names are better than nothing, but words are what we're here for!

This post in particular pinged me.

These were separated by one minute. I appreciate that progression -- identify a gut suspicion, and immediately investigate the source of the bad feelings. I don't know why that Steinbrenner post was a pinger though. That'd be good to hear about, Estelle.

Estelle Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:59 pm Submitted a vote in case I missed EOD. Hopefully will be here.

Out for real

Her Day 2 vote went to Steinbrenner. She missed the Day 1 vote.

:::

Conclusion:

This actually looks okay to me, generally. I didn't feel like I had to reach too deep into my bag of interpretations to find positive motivations for most of these posts. The worst one is the one about my not being killed.

What's the deal with Frank Costanza?

Frank Costanza wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2017 9:27 pm Welcome, newcomers! The tradition of Mafia begins with the airing of grievances. I got a lot of problems with you people what killed Susan, and now you're gonna hear about it!

There's a bit more labor in this entry post than I like to see. There's more potential for that to happen in a game of role play though.

Frank Costanza wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2017 5:45 pm

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2017 4:00 pm Alright people, let's go, chop chop.

Don't get smart with me, Puffy Shirt man! Although now that I think about it, I haven't heard a peep from my good-for-nothing son. Stop crying and fight your father!

Estelle too, get in here.

He prodded the other Costanzas for activity. At this point the game was still pretty dead, so he could have prodded any number of people. There's not much here.

Frank Costanza wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2017 5:44 pm

George Costanza wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:19 pm Hi, I'm George. I'm unemployed and I live with my parents.

As if we needed any more proof you're a good-for-nothing bum! Didn't bother showing up at all to the Mafia for the first day of it.

Elaine Benes wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2017 5:34 pm

The Soup Nazi wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2017 4:39 pm Hiding? I've been serving soup behind a counter for nine hours already today.

Except for you. Know why?

NO SOUP FOR YOU

You're through, Soup Nazi. Pack it up. No more soup for you. Next!

Vote The Soup Nazi

You leave that Nazi alone. He's a man after my own heart. For the delicious soup, I mean. Not the Nazi part. We used to fight Nazis back in the Army. At least, the Army used to fight Nazis. You know what I'm saying! George, get me some damn soup!

I can't tell if this poke at his son George is more meant as role play or an accusation. I'd like this post more if I could tell. The latter portion features a defense of Soup Nazi which appears to be grounded in role play as well -- but there's more of that later.

Frank Costanza wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2017 5:53 pm Anyway, I've been waiting for hours for dinner. Estelle was supposed to make some fusilli, but of course she's nowhere to be found...



ASSMAN! I'LL GIVE HIM ASSMAN!

*votes Kramer*

Another Estelle prod within the roleplay and an arbitrary Kramer vote.

Frank Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:18 pm

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:21 pm Back from an early dinner with Naomi. Good lord that laugh of hers.

Spoiler: show

*picture snipped*

I have grievances to air about both Costanza parents. We got nothing all day!

I'm sorry I can't be at your beck and call, Jerry. After Assman kicked the bucket, I've been left to work on the man-ziere all by myself. It's enough to drive a person crazy, I tell you!

George, I'm disappointed you. Why don't you stop crying and fight your father face to face, like aman? Listing Kramer as good on Night 1, then knocking him out, would be an excellent way to establish some civilian cred. Especially when you're also buddying up to that goody-two-shoes Jerry Seinfeld.

I think that Mr. Steinbrenner has a good head on his shoulders. Can't manage his team out of a paper bag, but his heart's in the right place. He's following up on questions, asking the right ones about David Puddy and Elaine. Even if it takes him a few minutes to get there in any given conversation.

No kidding. I don't expect anyone to be at my beck and call. I don't care for this even in its role play expression.

No thanks. He continues to berate son George via role play, and then concocts this "read Kramer as good and then killed him" thing to justify it. This looks pretty cooked to me. Not good.

Frank Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2017 6:59 pm

The Soup Nazi wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:54 pm You lack an actual tone.

The soup man has some spunk! I'm getting heated just thinking about it! Serenity now. SERENITY NOW!

David Puddy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2017 6:45 pm **Squinches nose as Mr. Soup**

And then this guy comes in here, saying he'll have some dirt on the Soup Man, and follows up with a nonsense gesture. You want to put a man in his place, you put up your fists! You don't dodge like a little girl!

Puddy, you've got less content in thread than a Chinese sweatshop T-shirt. And you're tunneling on the Nazi like a rat. I don't like it one bit.

Linki: All suspicious? Even the ones with just pictures? You suspicious of Goodnight Moon too?

Frank Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:18 pm I think you're all barking up the wrong tree with the Soup Nazi, and I'll be a monkey's ass if I let him go down. Already didn't like that Puddy guy, so here goes nothing. *votes David Puddy*

Here's his justification for his Puddy vote. I hate the vote, and I don't much like this explanation either. This is all too easy, and that's a fitting problem for what was an easy mislynch. The highlighted portion looks like a smear job, not a genuine suspicion.

Frank Costanza wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:38 pm I ain't changing my mind. Especially when that snot-nosed Puddy thinks he can take a piece of me! *votes Puddy*

I can tell you really considered other options here.

:::

Conclusion:

When I had an opinion to share it was a bad one. Suspect.

I tried to snip a picture and ended up snipping a spoiler instead. Whatever.

What's the deal with George Costanza?

George Costanza wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:23 pm I'll tell you one thing for sure-- the two who voted for me as a cheap throwaway vote are definitely getting my vote returned to them at some point in this game. You think I'd intentionally kill my own fiancée? I AM NOT A MONSTER, I AM A COSTANZA, LORD OF THE IDIOTS!

He was happy to dismiss the early votes he received as "throw-away votes". I don't think that was a fair depiction.

George Costanza wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2017 4:36 pm that got you out of hiding

This was in response to Soup Nazi displaying his displeasure at receiving a vote from George. I like it, because prior to this George made no mention of voting for Soup Nazi. That speaks to me -- George just clicked a poll option that he felt like clicking and waited to see what happens. That's carefree behavior that I'd associate with a civilian.

George Costanza wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 5:13 pm You were after all the deciding vote in Newman's fate, were you not?

Asserting that I was the "deciding vote" in Newman's fate is factually incorrect. I don't really know where this question was leading.

George Costanza wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 5:31 pm

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:52 pm Of the people with more than one vote, I could lynch Newman or Soup Nazi. Not lynching Big Stein.

How about Puddy though? What is it with this guy?

Why Newman? You could have swung with Soup Nazi and left it to fate.

What's the obsession with Puddy? What are you trying to say about him?

I still don't get it. I have no idea why I would have wanted to leave the poll in a tie. This is the same stuff I argued with Elaine.

George Costanza wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 5:46 pm I'm feeling good about you people
Kramer
George Steinbrenner
Uncle Leo
Jerry
Jackie

I got bad feelings about you people
Elaine
The Soup Nazi
Estelle
Dad

I got no feelings about the rest of ya.

After a little prodding and questioning, he spat out some reads. I do think it's decent that despite his questions about me, he still went for the "good" read. It evidences a thoughtful mindset for generating these reads, beyond just "what would be consistent with my posts?".

George Costanza wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:44 am The roleplay has indeed made it challenging to get real reads into this as sincerity levels drop when everyone's focused on being in character so it looks like everyone's putting up an act. Maybe the hardest game I've played so far.

Apologies for the lack of posts but I had previous commitments this week. I'll be reading and catching up in the next few hours so expect incoming posts.

Of the people who started this game quietly, I think George here has done the best job of finding ways to get involved. I don't see someone making excuses and screwing off -- I see someone doing their best when they can. That's nice.

I'm not as perturbed as George about this, but I understand why he might be.

George Costanza wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:38 pm

Uncle Leo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:29 pm

The Soup Nazi wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:19 pm
<snip>

Leo

Why pick on Seinfeld of all the Newman lynchers. Picks up on Yankees mogul's phony slander of him, but doesn't act omgusy about it. Ludicrous notion of me and evil hex putting up a fight to distract the crowd. Up your dosage, old geezer!

Why Jerry? because he is the one that sealed Newman's fate by changing his vote (assuming no further actions were taken). If anything, that initial comment was more about me working in Jerry's incredible cousin Jeffrey, you know, at the Parks department.

I agree with what you're saying to some extent, especially earlier, like right after the lynch. The fact that Jerry downplayed it too, and made it seem like he didn't have any other options (which he did have), also made me feel weary. However, it's those balls of steel on a day 1 that make me place Jerry on my safe list now. He wouldn't have drawn that much attention to himself, he made a decision that killed Newman, he stuck by it. It was a deciding vote to lynch a townie on Day 1, not something mafia would have done to blend in. There's like a 2% chance he's not who he says he is. For now, he's on my safe list.

Similarly, Elaine is on my safe list for her frustration post and revealing/not revealing her PR.

*awards civilian points for referring to the metallic construction of my testicles*

George Costanza wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:27 pm Jerry, why are you trusting Uncle Leo?

In the post-Puddy era this isn't quite true any longer. Leo has had one moment of inspiration though that I appreciated (his initial gripe about Elaine and Soup [I think Soup?] potentially distancing).

George Costanza wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:35 pmI'll have to look into Peterman a little more now that you shed light on his inconsistencies. We've certainly had our awkward moments; the buffoon accused ME of killing his mother while I kept her company on her deathbed out of the good of my heart. I EVEN SHARED MY SECRET CODE WITH HER!

I wish this would have happened. It didn't.

:::

I don't see a glowing beacon of civilianhood, but I do see some nice moments. He's a borderline suspect.

What's the deal with Kenny Bania and Tim Whatley?

Kenny Bania wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2017 6:22 pmhi

Kenny Bania wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:06 pmok

Kenny Bania wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 11:51 pm

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:25 pm Just a pitiful Day 1. I could have spent the evening with my girlfriend Marlene. Jesus.

im catching up and very tired after just getting home from working since the beginning of time

maybe if there was a TAD less role play it'd be easier.

but i'm only on page 3

Hi. Ok. Bania didn't do anything, clearly struggling with the role play. Since he's out of the game now I'll go ahead and say that I suspected this to be Dom, which would make me less concerned with the minimalist posts. That's his thing.

Tim Whatley's four posts

These four posts contain the following:
1x introductory greeting
1x vague assertion (Jerry's a troublemaker)
7x questions

There's more to parse through here than there was for Bania, so that's a positive. It's not inspiring stuff though.

Tim Whatley wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:15 pm

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2017 3:48 pm

Estelle Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:39 pm Also kinda shocked Jerry not NKed N1 when he's probably the SPK -- I have no idea who Kramer is even.

K bai

What is the purpose of this post?

Im glad you pointed this post out. I wondered if you would. Before Estelle answers, why do you think this post was made?

I'm not going to slip an answer into Estelle's pocket before she explains her own post.

:::

Conclusion:

There's less to say about this player slot than any other. I cannot justify removing it from my process of elimination pool.

What's the deal with Uncle Leo?

Uncle Leo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 1:00 pm Jerry, Hello! How could you do this to Newman? Your cousin Jeffrey, you know, at the parks department, can't believe you'd get something like this wrong. What a guy that Jeffrey.

So now that that's out of the way,

Newman did very clearly state that he was innocent. On day 1, what more could he have said to indicate that he was "trying?"

For the record, I am a senior citizen with a record (it was a crime of passion!) however, I am innocent of all other crimes.

I am suspicious of Steinbrenner for "latching on to me" as someone put it. It didn't hold or gain traction so it makes sense that he changed his vote. Still, suspicions exist. Call it retaliatory, call it whatever. I know that I am good and until Steinbrenner gives me a reason to change my mind, he is as good a target as I was to him initially.

As for Puddy (high five!), you are good and not going to hell, so why no vote? Were you too busy at a hockey game and forgot?

I would also be suspicious of Elaine & our resident sweetheart, Soup Nazi. Potential throwaway votes against each other (because we had a clear victim with votes stacked up against Newman) "backed up" by phony talk in the thread. I guess we will see how they vote in the future.

I stand by my initial reception of this post. Regardless of whether you agree with his assertions, I think they sound genuinely constructed.

Uncle Leo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:29 pm

The Soup Nazi wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:19 pm
<snip>

Leo

Why pick on Seinfeld of all the Newman lynchers. Picks up on Yankees mogul's phony slander of him, but doesn't act omgusy about it. Ludicrous notion of me and evil hex putting up a fight to distract the crowd. Up your dosage, old geezer!

Why Jerry? because he is the one that sealed Newman's fate by changing his vote (assuming no further actions were taken). If anything, that initial comment was more about me working in Jerry's incredible cousin Jeffrey, you know, at the Parks department.

I don't agree that the idea of goat kisser & evil hex working together is a "ludicrous notion."

Tim Whatley wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:12 pm So I've just about read everything I'm going to and I have 3 specific points of interest.

What are our thoughts on Jerry? He's a troublemaker.

What are our thoughts on Elaine? She's here, but what has she contributed?

What happened to the Soup Nazi voters? What changed your mind?

I am always suspicious of characters like Jerry who are very vocal and commanding. I agree he's a troublemaker. HOWEVER, I am usually wrong about those people being bad so I have decided to not focus any further on Jerry at this time. This is purely a personal track record issue.

Nothing has changed my mind about Soup Nazi. I am curious what has caused Puddy to distrust me. I distrust his distrust of me and left a vote for him based on that. I am actually uncomfortable voting Puddy with Jerry & Elaine as the other two votes.

My interpretation here is pretty similar. I think Uncle Leo seems quite believable on the level of tone. There's a certain transparency to his portrayal of his thoughts that resonates well with me.

More recent reads

I appreciate that these exist, at the very least. They could stand to be expanded upon though. There's one mafia read, Peterman, and three of the civilian reads are based upon votes for that one mafia read. That's not a whole lot of justification. Please build from this foundation, Leo.

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Conclusion:

Leo is a clash of gut and evidence. What I like: his tone is good throughout his post history. He hasn't been afraid to promote reads when he's been here. What I don't like: he has seven posts. He contributed to a terrible Puddy wagon. Borderline suspect.

estelle - seems okay
frank - hell no
george - borderline
kenny/tim - borderline
leo - borderline
peterman - hell no




The Soup Nazi

George Steinbrenner
Elaine Benes
Jackie Chiles

Estelle Costanza
Uncle Leo

Tim Whatley
George Costanza

Frank Costanza
J Peterman

That's some fine work you're putting in, Seinfeld. There may be a season ticket package in the works for you. My people and I agree with your bottom two reads.

Elaine Benes wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:37 pm

Elaine Benes wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:36 pm

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:30 pm

Elaine Benes wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:25 pm Lynch Jerry tomorrow. I tracked him. He killed Kramer.

No you didn't, and there's no Mafia role for redirection which could indicate that. I strongly suggest that if you're a civilian, you recant that before the night phase ends -- otherwise you're an easy kill and I'm left looking like a doofus with no defense. You know you didn't track me, so make sure everyone else gets the memo.

I know what I'm doing Jerry. These people are idiots who all belong in cages.

Animals, I meant to say.

At least three of you all belong in cages, not sure about the idiots part, however.

George Costanza wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 5:46 pm I'm feeling good about you people
Kramer
George Steinbrenner
Uncle Leo
Jerry
Jackie

I got bad feelings about you people
Elaine
The Soup Nazi
Estelle
Dad

I got no feelings about the rest of ya.

George Costanza wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:35 pm <snip>
I'll have to look into Peterman a little more now that you shed light on his inconsistencies.
<...>

He was off your initial list - why? Have you looked into Peterman further as you say in this second quoted post? If so, what is your conclusion?

George Steinbrenner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:52 am That's some fine work you're putting in, Seinfeld. There may be a season ticket package in the works for you. My people and I agree with your bottom two reads.

Allah help me, if either of you are scum, I will rage quit and move to Argentina. So much goddamn patting on the back.

You are not getting my recipes, Baseball Trump!

George Costanza wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:46 pm Jackie has been quiet.

Just catching up now, Mr Costanza. Sorry for my absence, but in Real Life I was hospitalized with a chest infection last night. I'm home now, and getting right back to business.

I welcome theories of suspicion regarding Elaine and Steinbrenner. I think they're both fine, but I want to give dissenters a voice before I rest more comfortably on those reads.

Hey George, I was just talking to Sharon and she said she won't run that angle we were talking about. I guess she thinks we're heterosexual. Looks like we fooled her.

I'm not wasting my time suspecting Hissy Veep for the time being. I have customers. We shall see.

What bothers me most about Elaine is that she roleclaimed in self-defense. Not strategically, not to protect another player, but to save her own skin. Her second claim tells me that the first was bogus! A civilian has plenty of cause to lie about their role in this game, that's for sure. But that first claim of hers does not sit well with Big Stein!

I'll leave Elaine to answer to that. Come on folks, let's keep talking. I think we're in an okay place given the reduction of suspects, but we've still started with two civilian lynches. Let's turn it around.

I need this one. Do it for me. Today was my third time out with Gail and she still won't even shake my hand.

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2017 2:25 pm I'll leave Elaine to answer to that. Come on folks, let's keep talking. I think we're in an okay place given the reduction of suspects, but we've still started with two civilian lynches. Let's turn it around.

I need this one. Do it for me. Today was my third time out with Gail and she still won't even shake my hand.

I'm not sure what else there is to say at the moment. Big Stein's not about flapping his gums! I choose my words very carefully, young man. When the sun comes up I want to make some folks squirm. Peterman and Old Man Costanza first of all, but they're not the only ones who should be on the hot seat, you hear me!? I suppose I can ask you what's the deal with this Jackie Chiles fella. He seems like he's working hard, but I haven't seen him do too much outside the mainstream. Afraid to rock the boat? I like his style, but he's not above speculation. He was on Puddy like Big Stein on Billy Martin! Makes me nervous. Not that I'm innocent in that department either, but I say it's worth looking into! We've got to shake things up if we want to climb out of the basement!

Don't be so upset Jerry, discussion will come.

Your theories regarding Steinbrenner, that's a lie isn't it? At least in regards to having deeper thought on him.

Tim Whatley wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:42 pm Don't be so upset Jerry, discussion will come.

Your theories regarding Steinbrenner, that's a lie isn't it? At least in regards to having deeper thought on him.

I'm not sure what you mean. I'm lying about welcoming opposing reads on him?

Business must be suffering Soup Nazi. How can a food joint close at 6pm?

Because I say so.

George Steinbrenner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:28 pm What bothers me most about Elaine is that she roleclaimed in self-defense. Not strategically, not to protect another player, but to save her own skin. Her second claim tells me that the first was bogus! A civilian has plenty of cause to lie about their role in this game, that's for sure. But that first claim of hers does not sit well with Big Stein!

What if the second claim was bogus? I Bear Lee recall you saying anything about the first claim at the time.

HA HA HA HA HA HA

The second claim was bogus. I didn't track Jerry. What if nothing I say is true? Don't even talk about grace, all right? I don't have grace, I don't want grace, I don't even say grace, okay?

It is now Day 3.

You have 48 hours to lynch someone.

STELLA!

Peterman, word around the office is you're still working with the mob.

Elaine Benes wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:42 pm

George Steinbrenner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:28 pm What bothers me most about Elaine is that she roleclaimed in self-defense. Not strategically, not to protect another player, but to save her own skin. Her second claim tells me that the first was bogus! A civilian has plenty of cause to lie about their role in this game, that's for sure. But that first claim of hers does not sit well with Big Stein!

What if the second claim was bogus? I Bear Lee recall you saying anything about the first claim at the time.

HA HA HA HA HA HA

I had my qualms with it, young lady! It was an act of defense! I saw no strategic value in it whatsoever and that does not sit well with Big Stein. Why did the mafia not kill the exposed vigilante last night, Benes?

ESTELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE?!?!?!?!?!?!?

No! It can't be! My wife is dead because of you animals! She would drive me up a wall, but she was being quiet around you people, and now someone thought it was worth shutting her up even more.

Only people she mentioned before she passed that might get up to such a thing were Jerry, David Puddy (who I agreed with), the lawyer, and George. She even put in a good word for the Soup Man! The Soup Nazi, who people think is as bad as the actual Nazis!

SERENITY NOW!

I gotta take a breather. Right now, my gut says there's something in looking at those mentions, but I don't know what yet.

Frank Costanza wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:07 pm ESTELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE?!?!?!?!?!?!?

No! It can't be! My wife is dead because of you animals! She would drive me up a wall, but she was being quiet around you people, and now someone thought it was worth shutting her up even more.

Only people she mentioned before she passed that might get up to such a thing were Jerry, David Puddy (who I agreed with), the lawyer, and George. She even put in a good word for the Soup Man! The Soup Nazi, who people think is as bad as the actual Nazis!

SERENITY NOW!

I gotta take a breather. Right now, my gut says there's something in looking at those mentions, but I don't know what yet.

The Soup Nazi? Who thinks the Soup Nazi's bad. I don't see anyone gathering up their pitchforks to go after that man, Frank. I welcome your investigations though. It can't be easy to lose such a fine woman, that Estelle. Look into your suspects and tell Big Stein what you think.

[mention]Elaine Benes[/mention] tell me what you think of your boss, Mr. Peterman. Got any inside information on the man? My people and I want to hear it!

George Steinbrenner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:14 pm

Frank Costanza wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:07 pm ESTELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE?!?!?!?!?!?!?

No! It can't be! My wife is dead because of you animals! She would drive me up a wall, but she was being quiet around you people, and now someone thought it was worth shutting her up even more.

Only people she mentioned before she passed that might get up to such a thing were Jerry, David Puddy (who I agreed with), the lawyer, and George. She even put in a good word for the Soup Man! The Soup Nazi, who people think is as bad as the actual Nazis!

SERENITY NOW!

I gotta take a breather. Right now, my gut says there's something in looking at those mentions, but I don't know what yet.

The Soup Nazi? Who thinks the Soup Nazi's bad. I don't see anyone gathering up their pitchforks to go after that man, Frank. I welcome your investigations though. It can't be easy to lose such a fine woman, that Estelle. Look into your suspects and tell Big Stein what you think.

SERENITY NOW! SERENITY NOW!

Now that I've gained a little bit of perspective back, I realize the Soup Nazi's been knocked down a few rungs on the suspect list, especially by Jerry and Uncle Leo.

Of those remaining, I hate to say it, but my gut says my son. It's just the kind of sick, twisted thing he'd do after putting her on his baddie list, especially after providing no reason. She was a suspect he couldn't defend if he got asked, so he knocked her off to avoid being asked about her. And he was even the last one seen at her bedside!

Voted.

George Steinbrenner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:17 pm @Elaine Benes tell me what you think of your boss, Mr. Peterman. Got any inside information on the man? My people and I want to hear it!

Oh, I've got his number. Inside information? Oh yes. See, I swapped out his bran muffin for...wait for it...a poppy seed muffin. I can't wait until he eats it and then BOOM! his career is over.

Oh, you meant information information on Mr. Peterman. Like, did he kill anybody. Do I have that kind of information?

Survey says? No, I don't.

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HA

Get it?

HA............HA HA HA...HA

You're a funny man, Seinfeld. Big Stein appreciates humor in dark times. But I will not stand for this kind of funny business, you hear me! Is this some sort of test? Trying to make Big Stein sweat, are we? You're gonna have to do better than that! I'll let it stand for now though. But come this time tomorrow I expect to see results on the table! Tell me what you want from and I'll have the entire Yankee organization at my back.

Elaine Benes wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:22 pm

George Steinbrenner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:17 pm @Elaine Benes tell me what you think of your boss, Mr. Peterman. Got any inside information on the man? My people and I want to hear it!

Oh, I've got his number. Inside information? Oh yes. See, I swapped out his bran muffin for...wait for it...a poppy seed muffin. I can't wait until he eats it and then BOOM! his career is over.

Oh, you meant information information on Mr. Peterman. Like, did he kill anybody. Do I have that kind of information?

Survey says? No, I don't.

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HA

Get it?

HA............HA HA HA...HA

Survey says? That's clever, I like it. I love that Family Feud. Can never get enough of it. That Steve Harvey fella they have hosting it nowadays is a riot. I've always wondered how the Steinbrenner clan would do under the spotlight. I would love to press that buzzer, I can tell you that much. Looks like a blast. Tell you what, let's play a little Family Feud right here. We surveyed 100 people and asked them who the mafia is. Top five answers are on the board, Elaine! Show me what you got.

George Steinbrenner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:25 pm You're a funny man, Seinfeld. Big Stein appreciates humor in dark times. But I will not stand for this kind of funny business, you hear me! Is this some sort of test? Trying to make Big Stein sweat, are we? You're gonna have to do better than that! I'll let it stand for now though. But come this time tomorrow I expect to see results on the table! Tell me what you want from and I'll have the entire Yankee organization at my back.

I'm a 2-shot tracker. Bania/Whatley did nothing on night 1. You killed Estelle on Night 2.

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:36 pm

George Steinbrenner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:25 pm You're a funny man, Seinfeld. Big Stein appreciates humor in dark times. But I will not stand for this kind of funny business, you hear me! Is this some sort of test? Trying to make Big Stein sweat, are we? You're gonna have to do better than that! I'll let it stand for now though. But come this time tomorrow I expect to see results on the table! Tell me what you want from and I'll have the entire Yankee organization at my back.

I'm a 2-shot tracker. Bania/Whatley did nothing on night 1. You killed Estelle on Night 2.

I don't know what the point of your little trick is, Jerry. You're making up false allegations about Big Stein, and for what? You want a piece of the Yankees? Talk to my people, see if they can cut you a deal. But you have to be straight with us. Honesty and integrity are a big part of what we do here at Yankee Stadium!