The Syndicate

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:31 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:21 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:19 pm
The most pressing question emerging from this then would be: Epignosis, why won't you be voting for me today?

Because you're a shitty Day 1 lynch.

So?

I disagree that any player should get an automatic pass on Day 1, just because they're a shitty lynch.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:35 pm
You always give people shit for being afraid to lynch me. Are you afraid to lynch me?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:40 pm Should we always lynch a low poster D1 then? 0.o

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:45 pm As of right now, Kylemii is a civilian.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:47 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:45 pm As of right now, Kylemii is a civilian.

why?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:42 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:31 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:21 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:19 pm
The most pressing question emerging from this then would be: Epignosis, why won't you be voting for me today?

Because you're a shitty Day 1 lynch.

So?

I disagree that any player should get an automatic pass on Day 1, just because they're a shitty lynch.

Nobody gets an automatic pass. Passes have to be earned.

If you're building a roof (presumably for someone to fiddle on), and you've hired sixteen men to build it, but you are informed that three of those men are intent on destroying the roof, whom do you fire first?

Is it somebody whom you see working very hard on the construction, or someone who looks like he doesn't care about the roof?

If you fire the first guy first, and he wasn't planning to destroy the roof, then you've lost a good worker on the basis of the least evidence. If you fire the second guy, then you've lost someone who...looks like he doesn't care about the roof.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:27 pm Yeah I don't get what Epi is saying here. Like, it's reasonable to be cautious of the possibility of Jay/Sloonei w/w, because that would be fucking scary, but it really doesn't make sense for him to assume that this is the case based on the way they have interacted so far (which is pretty much how they always interact as civs).

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:53 pm OK, I've been on Jay's side pretty much throughout this Epi bullshit, and the comparisons to RvB and WTNV, as well as Epi apparently being afraid to lynch Jay, seal it for me. I'm voting for Epi. There's a sea of wifom here but basically I don't think he should be acting like this even if it's to provoke reactions such as mine.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:58 pm Yeah, no.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:27 pm Yeah I don't get what Epi is saying here. Like, it's reasonable to be cautious of the possibility of Jay/Sloonei w/w, because that would be fucking scary, but it really doesn't make sense for him to assume that this is the case based on the way they have interacted so far (which is pretty much how they always interact as civs).

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:53 pm OK, I've been on Jay's side pretty much throughout this Epi bullshit, and the comparisons to RvB and WTNV, as well as Epi apparently being afraid to lynch Jay, seal it for me. I'm voting for Epi. There's a sea of wifom here but basically I don't think he should be acting like this even if it's to provoke reactions such as mine.

How do you go from "I don't get what Epi is saying here" to "OK, "I've been on Jay's side pretty much throughout this Epi bullshit?"

nutella

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:58 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:42 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:31 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:21 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:19 pm
The most pressing question emerging from this then would be: Epignosis, why won't you be voting for me today?

Because you're a shitty Day 1 lynch.

So?

I disagree that any player should get an automatic pass on Day 1, just because they're a shitty lynch.

Nobody gets an automatic pass. Passes have to be earned.

If you're building a roof (presumably for someone to fiddle on), and you've hired sixteen men to build it, but you are informed that three of those men are intent on destroying the roof, whom do you fire first?

Is it somebody whom you see working very hard on the construction, or someone who looks like he doesn't care about the roof?

If you fire the first guy first, and he wasn't planning to destroy the roof, then you've lost a good worker on the basis of the least evidence. If you fire the second guy, then you've lost someone who...looks like he doesn't care about the roof.

But this is a different, bigger picture I'm talking about.

This isn't a job where you need to earn an income and keep a solid reputation for your roofing company.

This isn't a one-time situation where we need to make the best decision possible for the sake of the company. Each "roof" we are building is independent of each other "roof"

If Player X is a bad mafia player who puts his foot in his mouth and looks bad every game, will we lynch him Day 1 every game? No.

If you think Jay is worth lynching, why wait to lynch him? Why would you bring it up as a decent notion (for not Day 1) if Jay is "working very hard on the construction" and not "planning on destroying the roof"?

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:58 pm
If Player X is a bad mafia player who puts his foot in his mouth and looks bad every game, will we lynch him Day 1 every game? No.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:58 pm If you think Jay is worth lynching, why wait to lynch him? Why would you bring it up as a decent notion (for not Day 1) if Jay is "working very hard on the construction" and not "planning on destroying the roof"?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:05 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:58 pm Yeah, no.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:27 pm Yeah I don't get what Epi is saying here. Like, it's reasonable to be cautious of the possibility of Jay/Sloonei w/w, because that would be fucking scary, but it really doesn't make sense for him to assume that this is the case based on the way they have interacted so far (which is pretty much how they always interact as civs).

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:53 pm OK, I've been on Jay's side pretty much throughout this Epi bullshit, and the comparisons to RvB and WTNV, as well as Epi apparently being afraid to lynch Jay, seal it for me. I'm voting for Epi. There's a sea of wifom here but basically I don't think he should be acting like this even if it's to provoke reactions such as mine.

How do you go from "I don't get what Epi is saying here" to "OK, "I've been on Jay's side pretty much throughout this Epi bullshit?"

nutella

What's the issue with that? She is questioning your commentary in the first post (and providing the same argument that I provided, meaning she was on my side) and then has progressed to greater suspicion in the second post.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:53 pmI don't think he should be acting like this even if it's to provoke reactions such as mine.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:06 pm In this metaphor does "roof" represent "lynch" or "game"

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:12 pm I don't love Speedchuck's post at the top of this page.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:02 pm Agreed here. I think Nutella is being opportunistic.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:13 pm what is the roof?

also, thoughts on marmot?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:12 pm Do you get the impression that nutella turned this into a false dilemma (Epi vs JJJ)?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:17 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:12 pm Do you get the impression that nutella turned this into a false dilemma (Epi vs JJJ)?

First post, no. She doesn't get it, but isn't calling for a lynch. Second post, perhaps.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:02 pm Agreed here. I think Nutella is being opportunistic.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:15 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:12 pm I don't love Speedchuck's post at the top of this page.

Will you like it if nutella is scum?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:15 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:02 pm Agreed here. I think Nutella is being opportunistic.

What sold you on this one?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:53 pm 1. OK, I've been on Jay's side pretty much throughout this Epi bullshit, 2. and the comparisons to RvB and WTNV, as well as Epi apparently being afraid to lynch Jay, seal it for me. 3. I'm voting for Epi. 4. There's a sea of wifom here but basically 5. I don't think he should be acting like this even if it's to provoke reactions such as mine.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:20 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:15 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:12 pm I don't love Speedchuck's post at the top of this page.

Will you like it if nutella is scum?

Yes.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:18 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:02 pm Agreed here. I think Nutella is being opportunistic.

I could say that this post is...

opportunistic

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:23 pm K. I've decided I'm going to buddy Speedychuckwagon this game.

Speed, your my buddy. Let's goooooooo!!!!

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:22 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:20 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:15 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:12 pm I don't love Speedchuck's post at the top of this page.

Will you like it if nutella is scum?

Yes.

I like these odds.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:29 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:22 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:20 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:15 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:12 pm I don't love Speedchuck's post at the top of this page.

Will you like it if nutella is scum?

Yes.

I like these odds.

Convince me

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:21 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:53 pm 1. OK, I've been on Jay's side pretty much throughout this Epi bullshit, 2. and the comparisons to RvB and WTNV, as well as Epi apparently being afraid to lynch Jay, seal it for me. 3. I'm voting for Epi. 4. There's a sea of wifom here but basically 5. I don't think he should be acting like this even if it's to provoke reactions such as mine.

1. Citation needed. Nutella hasn't commented anything committal to the subject until now, when it's winding down
2. citing arguments that aren't hers to pad her post, ignoring any counters. Also, WTNV was an argument for town epi. Nut doesn't care.
3. The vote.
4. Disclaimer for when she's wrong
5. Very weakly-stated opinion that is not phrased as being alignment related and puts the blame on Epi for her voting him.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:41 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:24 pm If I may make an observation, regarding the setup:

Tevye can get BTSC with his daughters. In doing so, he can confirm them town to himself. So that's neat.

However, if he doesn't search for them, the town gains a cop in the match-maker. Match-maker can search for BTSC, which would (if Tevye doesn't submit actions) only be held by the mafia.

We trade off a BTSC-finder and a town searcher/btsc/lover thing for a cop. Does anyone think this is a good idea?

This is interesting. I need to think on this because traditionally I've always viewed civs with BTSC as one of the strongest things the civs can have...

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:30 pm nutella voters, please tell me what you think of LoRab.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:30 pm nutella voters, please tell me what you think of LoRab.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:31 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:41 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:24 pm If I may make an observation, regarding the setup:

Tevye can get BTSC with his daughters. In doing so, he can confirm them town to himself. So that's neat.

However, if he doesn't search for them, the town gains a cop in the match-maker. Match-maker can search for BTSC, which would (if Tevye doesn't submit actions) only be held by the mafia.

We trade off a BTSC-finder and a town searcher/btsc/lover thing for a cop. Does anyone think this is a good idea?

This is interesting. I need to think on this because traditionally I've always viewed civs with BTSC as one of the strongest things the civs can have...

This post accomplishes nothing.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:30 pm nutella voters, please tell me what you think of LoRab.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:36 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:56 pm OK....I'm not seeing 3J as bad--I'm seeing his typical civ game. I'm also not seeing Kyle as bad--his reaction rings true with what I remember his reaction being in general when accused in any way--I'm null on him. I could see Epi being bad (despite his use of Hebrew in a post, and almost spelling it correctly except for the stray vowel)--while I've seen him go after people for no reason (often me) in games, and have seen him drop seeds to see what grows, I've also seen him as mafia pretend to do this--pretty much what he's claimed 3J has done. Perhaps my lens is colored by the fact that I'm reading 3J as civ, and considering that mafia are going to try for lynching civs, particularly in a 1 baddie team game.

Can you recall a previous game you played with Kyle that informs your perception of him now?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:40 pm Speed
Mac
Wilgy
Epi
JJJ
Marmot
Sloonei
Dyslexicon
LC
Kylemii
FZ
Novaselinenever
Dave
Daisy
Lorab
Nutella

I don't know why I'm doing this when I'm so back and forth this game.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:40 pm Speed
Mac
Wilgy
Epi
JJJ
Marmot
Sloonei
Dyslexicon
LC
Kylemii
FZ
Novaselinenever
Dave
Daisy
Lorab
Nutella

I don't know why I'm doing this when I'm so back and forth this game.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:38 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:30 pm nutella voters, please tell me what you think of LoRab.

Lorab is someone I've wrongly accused more times than I can count. I think I've been right about her once. I have no opinion on her today. Nothing stands out.