Arrowverse Mafia - Day 8

[Luxurious]

Actually a question I had regarding Sara/ Laurel is that do they become a different scum team should they find each other and we have like

5 factions

Two betrayed sisters decided to gang up to beat Oliver Queen up?

Yes

[Creature]

Dragon Fluffy can be town too

Explain.

He made four posts about a no-claiming rule discussion and I feel like that would be a stupid thing for him to do as scum.

[Creature]

though lately it has been everyone though

[Luxurious]

I tried catching up but the black background made my eyes bleed...

Uh? Usually white backgrounds deteriorate my eyes.

It’s more gray and light blue than traditional eye-burning white

Light blue can be even worse though

Biased because you’ve got a light blue name huh

[Luxurious]

though lately it has been everyone though

I dont think it means as much from anyone else besides Ultra

[Creature]

I tried catching up but the black background made my eyes bleed...

Uh? Usually white backgrounds deteriorate my eyes.

It’s more gray and light blue than traditional eye-burning white

Light blue can be even worse though

Considering the physical properties of blue light, yes, indeed.

[Creature]

Damn those classes bore me to the bone

What thoughts do you have on the game so far? Do any individual players stand out to you at all?

Yes, Epi and MafiaMenace.

I assume they stand out as mafia reads/pings.

Why? I think you've talked about/with MafiaMenace a bit, but I haven't seen much discussion of Epi.

He (Epi) seemed to be just aiming to do non-standoutish posts.

[Creature]

I tried catching up but the black background made my eyes bleed...

Uh? Usually white backgrounds deteriorate my eyes.

It’s more gray and light blue than traditional eye-burning white

Light blue can be even worse though

Gimme a read on a player right now.

Try me

[Creature]

I tried catching up but the black background made my eyes bleed...

Uh? Usually white backgrounds deteriorate my eyes.

It’s more gray and light blue than traditional eye-burning white

Light blue can be even worse though

Gimme a read on a player right now.

Everyone who starts with M is mafia.

Guess I'm a civilian then.

[Creature]

though lately it has been everyone though

I dont think it means as much from anyone else besides Ultra

Someone I don't remember now seemed to be talking only about KPN something.

[Sloonei]

though lately it has been everyone though

I dont think it means as much from anyone else besides Ultra

Someone I don't remember now seemed to be talking only about KPN something.

MafiaMenace

[Sloonei]

Who wants to do some Day 0 GTH reads?

[Luxurious]

Forgot that the felicity player can't just post results

In that case, what we might want to try a coordinated effort to allow the felicity player to "claim indirectly"

Here's what I'm thinking, if all of us come together and decide on D1 that nobody is allowed to cast a vote, except for the felicity player who casts a vote on her peek, we get whoever we want out D1.

This doesn't break the claiming rules as far as I understand, because anybody can still step forth and vote. But if someone else does vote, we'll still know one is felicity and one is scum. So still a net +

Interesting idea but that would not only out them and give scum a target

But wouldnt it be better to hold off using that until late game where there’ll be more information regarding player alignment?

I mean the felicity player's peak is a one shot, and can ascertain the identity of any player role in the game, so I think it's a no brainer that it would be used straight away

I mean sure if you wanna get a scum right from the start and not give them any chance to out their teammates

But there are only 2 (pending 3) in the mafia team currently

uh

there are like, 7 scum in this game

Not counting independents acting outside of traditional town/scum wincon

me neither

there are two mafia factions

Anyway there's a point in that there's potential for reads by waiting to use the shot but there's two problems with this

1) The remote possibility that felicity dies
2) Interactive reads and PoE is more difficult in a multiball game

Fair enough

[Luxurious]

though lately it has been everyone though

I dont think it means as much from anyone else besides Ultra

Someone I don't remember now seemed to be talking only about KPN something.

Does that mean you’re scumreading them

[nutella]

Mac: well I'm just being cautious about him bc you know. But actually he did kinda ping me with this post

This game has a good cast. There are invariably going to be some solid and prolific players who have rolled anti town here because of how many anti town roles there are and they will be trying to control the narrative... because they have to.

Concurrently if you are a civ and can give top effort I want some balls to the wall here. We aren't winning this on info. Civ voices need to dominate the thread. I want 150 pages. I want a bloodbath of analysis. I am going to be ruthless if you are phoning it in and I expect better of you. You know who you are.

Perhaps he is one of those players who have rolled anti-town, and that's why it's on his mind.

Also he suspected Epi for giving out town reads which is something town Epi does and actually I believe Mac did the same thing in scrimmage.


Mata has checked in only to laugh off Epi's statement of suspicion of her and to provide some slank cover.


Mafmen is just focused on mechanics and I feel like there were bits of it that seemed like they could have come from a scum perspective

[Luxurious]

Who wants to do some Day 0 GTH reads?

All i have is this big pile of question marks and like

Three reads

[Sloonei]

Who wants to do some Day 0 GTH reads?

All i have is this big pile of question marks and like

Three reads

This is exactly why I want to do a GTH exercise.

[MacDougall]

Mac: well I'm just being cautious about him bc you know. But actually he did kinda ping me with this post

This game has a good cast. There are invariably going to be some solid and prolific players who have rolled anti town here because of how many anti town roles there are and they will be trying to control the narrative... because they have to.

Concurrently if you are a civ and can give top effort I want some balls to the wall here. We aren't winning this on info. Civ voices need to dominate the thread. I want 150 pages. I want a bloodbath of analysis. I am going to be ruthless if you are phoning it in and I expect better of you. You know who you are.

Perhaps he is one of those players who have rolled anti-town, and that's why it's on his mind.

Also he suspected Epi for giving out town reads which is something town Epi does and actually I believe Mac did the same thing in scrimmage.


Mata has checked in only to laugh off Epi's statement of suspicion of her and to provide some slank cover.


Mafmen is just focused on mechanics and I feel like there were bits of it that seemed like they could have come from a scum perspective

You want this smoke?

[Sloonei]

Mac: well I'm just being cautious about him bc you know. But actually he did kinda ping me with this post

This game has a good cast. There are invariably going to be some solid and prolific players who have rolled anti town here because of how many anti town roles there are and they will be trying to control the narrative... because they have to.

Concurrently if you are a civ and can give top effort I want some balls to the wall here. We aren't winning this on info. Civ voices need to dominate the thread. I want 150 pages. I want a bloodbath of analysis. I am going to be ruthless if you are phoning it in and I expect better of you. You know who you are.

Perhaps he is one of those players who have rolled anti-town, and that's why it's on his mind.

Also he suspected Epi for giving out town reads which is something town Epi does and actually I believe Mac did the same thing in scrimmage.


Mata has checked in only to laugh off Epi's statement of suspicion of her and to provide some slank cover.


Mafmen is just focused on mechanics and I feel like there were bits of it that seemed like they could have come from a scum perspective

You want this smoke?

Hey there pal are you free to participate in a GTH exercise?

[Luxurious]

Spoiler: show

Mac: well I'm just being cautious about him bc you know. But actually he did kinda ping me with this post

This game has a good cast. There are invariably going to be some solid and prolific players who have rolled anti town here because of how many anti town roles there are and they will be trying to control the narrative... because they have to.

Concurrently if you are a civ and can give top effort I want some balls to the wall here. We aren't winning this on info. Civ voices need to dominate the thread. I want 150 pages. I want a bloodbath of analysis. I am going to be ruthless if you are phoning it in and I expect better of you. You know who you are.

Perhaps he is one of those players who have rolled anti-town, and that's why it's on his mind.

Also he suspected Epi for giving out town reads which is something town Epi does and actually I believe Mac did the same thing in scrimmage.


Mata has checked in only to laugh off Epi's statement of suspicion of her and to provide some slank cover.


Mafmen is just focused on mechanics and I feel like there were bits of it that seemed like they could have come from a scum perspective

Are you saying Mac was scum reading Epi because of the same thing he’s saying here?

Or is it that Mac was also easily handing out townreads.

Re: MM
What looked like it came from scum?

[Sloonei]

[mention]Creature[/mention] [mention]nutella[/mention] [mention]MafiaMenace[/mention] [mention]Ultra[/mention] [mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] @anyone else who might be here: GTH exercise? Come on, let's go, never too early for reads woo yeah mafia let's go

[Luxurious]

Who wants to do some Day 0 GTH reads?

All i have is this big pile of question marks and like

Three reads

This is exactly why I want to do a GTH exercise.

I wouldnt die for any of my reads tho but I’m down to clown

[Creature]

Who wants to do some Day 0 GTH reads?

Go To Hell reads?

Where do I /in?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Prometheus lore

Spoiler: show

Probably anti town, possibly just anti Arrow, possibly has a kill, possibly a bomb or bomber.

Spoiler: show

Possibly James Robinson used to be a good author on Starman but jesus what happened with Cry For Justice? How bad was that comic eh? Besides Prometheus just being Deathstroke only more bullshit, killing off a small child and derailing possibly the best long running character arc in all of American comics, the entire concept of the book is "Green Lantern and Green Arrow decide to try to hunt down and capture supervillains and act like this is something that has never been done before while also shouting JUSTICE at weird moments like they have superhero tourettes." Who green lit that pitch? Seriously worst comic series I've ever read.

I'm surprised Prometheus can get work on the CW after that. Why would you put that character in the same story as Oliver Queen ever again? And why would you give him explosives? Knowing CW, he probably ends up dating one of the protagonists.

[Creature]

though lately it has been everyone though

I dont think it means as much from anyone else besides Ultra

Someone I don't remember now seemed to be talking only about KPN something.

Does that mean you’re scumreading them

Yes, I do.

[Creature]

Who wants to do some Day 0 GTH reads?

All i have is this big pile of question marks and like

Three reads

My reads are mostly "not a good wagon" and "wouldn't mind wagoning".

[Luxurious]

though lately it has been everyone though

I dont think it means as much from anyone else besides Ultra

Someone I don't remember now seemed to be talking only about KPN something.

Does that mean you’re scumreading them

Yes, I do.

Why’s that

[Creature]

@Creature @nutella @MafiaMenace @Ultra @Jackofhearts2005 @anyone else who might be here: GTH exercise? Come on, let's go, never too early for reads woo yeah mafia let's go

How does GTH exercise work?

[Luxurious]

Who wants to do some Day 0 GTH reads?

All i have is this big pile of question marks and like

Three reads

My reads are mostly "not a good wagon" and "wouldn't mind wagoning".

Good reads

[Luxurious]

@Creature @nutella @MafiaMenace @Ultra @Jackofhearts2005 @anyone else who might be here: GTH exercise? Come on, let's go, never too early for reads woo yeah mafia let's go

How does GTH exercise work?

Someone posts a few names and you respond town or scum

There is no inbetween

[Sloonei]

Who wants to do some Day 0 GTH reads?

Go To Hell reads?

Where do I /in?

Gun To Head reads.
I give a list of players and you give a one-word alignment read on them. No neutral reads, every player has to be read either good or bad. Being right or wrong doesn't matter, the object is to force people to pull reads out of their gut and then analyze them later.

[Creature]

though lately it has been everyone though

I dont think it means as much from anyone else besides Ultra

Someone I don't remember now seemed to be talking only about KPN something.

Does that mean you’re scumreading them

Yes, I do.

Why’s that

I sometimes think "what would scum be doing at this moment?" and then I picture him.

[MacDougall]

Nutella you are summarising my sus on Epi as "he js giving out town reads" when I clearly said it was because he is giving Sloonei a townpass too easily.

You then took your abridged version and likened the reason I have a ping on him to my own recent Mafia play. Well I never said offering town reads was pingy or a scumtell or any such thing. You appear to be trying to force a scum read of me. Your apprehension is also visible.

If you are trying to force a scum read on me. Why?

[Luxurious]

Prometheus lore

Spoiler: show

Probably anti town, possibly just anti Arrow, possibly has a kill, possibly a bomb or bomber.

Spoiler: show

Possibly James Robinson used to be a good author on Starman but jesus what happened with Cry For Justice? How bad was that comic eh? Besides Prometheus just being Deathstroke only more bullshit, killing off a small child and derailing possibly the best long running character arc in all of American comics, the entire concept of the book is "Green Lantern and Green Arrow decide to try to hunt down and capture supervillains and act like this is something that has never been done before while also shouting JUSTICE at weird moments like they have superhero tourettes." Who green lit that pitch? Seriously worst comic series I've ever read.

I'm surprised Prometheus can get work on the CW after that. Why would you put that character in the same story as Oliver Queen ever again? And why would you give him explosives? Knowing CW, he probably ends up dating one of the protagonists.

Who needs wiki when you have Jack

[nutella]

Spoiler: show

Mac: well I'm just being cautious about him bc you know. But actually he did kinda ping me with this post

This game has a good cast. There are invariably going to be some solid and prolific players who have rolled anti town here because of how many anti town roles there are and they will be trying to control the narrative... because they have to.

Concurrently if you are a civ and can give top effort I want some balls to the wall here. We aren't winning this on info. Civ voices need to dominate the thread. I want 150 pages. I want a bloodbath of analysis. I am going to be ruthless if you are phoning it in and I expect better of you. You know who you are.

Perhaps he is one of those players who have rolled anti-town, and that's why it's on his mind.

Also he suspected Epi for giving out town reads which is something town Epi does and actually I believe Mac did the same thing in scrimmage.


Mata has checked in only to laugh off Epi's statement of suspicion of her and to provide some slank cover.


Mafmen is just focused on mechanics and I feel like there were bits of it that seemed like they could have come from a scum perspective

Are you saying Mac was scum reading Epi because of the same thing he’s saying here?

Or is it that Mac was also easily handing out townreads.

Re: MM
What looked like it came from scum?

The first one.


re: mm, I'll have to look back but (a) not being as worried about the cult as ultra was, and (b) miscounting the kpn (could be faked ignorance or could be that his understanding was skewed for some other reason). and (c) just more generally he seems quite focused on the scum team mechanics as a topic (not counting Vig/SK in kpn for instance)

[Luxurious]

though lately it has been everyone though

I dont think it means as much from anyone else besides Ultra

Someone I don't remember now seemed to be talking only about KPN something.

Does that mean you’re scumreading them

Yes, I do.

Why’s that

I sometimes think "what would scum be doing at this moment?" and then I picture him.

Fair enough!

[Creature]

Who wants to do some Day 0 GTH reads?

Go To Hell reads?

Where do I /in?

Gun To Head reads.
I give a list of players and you give a one-word alignment read on them. No neutral reads, every player has to be read either good or bad. Being right or wrong doesn't matter, the object is to force people to pull reads out of their gut and then analyze them later.

Better idea: we quote one post and someone says if it comes from town or scum.

[Creature]

I don't suspect Ultra. Bottom line.

I suspect Matahari.

Let's start with this

[nutella]

Who wants to do some Day 0 GTH reads?

All i have is this big pile of question marks and like

Three reads

This is exactly why I want to do a GTH exercise.

I wouldnt die for any of my reads tho but I’m down to clown

I think some sites may have a different definition of GTH than we do. For us it's "you have a gun to your head and you have to choose one alignment or the other," not "you would defend this opinion with a gun to your head." Kinda opposite.

[Sloonei]

Who wants to do some Day 0 GTH reads?

Go To Hell reads?

Where do I /in?

Gun To Head reads.
I give a list of players and you give a one-word alignment read on them. No neutral reads, every player has to be read either good or bad. Being right or wrong doesn't matter, the object is to force people to pull reads out of their gut and then analyze them later.

Better idea: we quote one post and someone says if it comes from town or scum.

Oh, I like this too.

Let's do both. I'm gonna start a GTH exercise at the top of the hour (5 minutes from now). Anyone who wants to take part is welcome. The more the merrier. We should try the other thing sometime later.

[MacDougall]

Mac: well I'm just being cautious about him bc you know. But actually he did kinda ping me with this post

This game has a good cast. There are invariably going to be some solid and prolific players who have rolled anti town here because of how many anti town roles there are and they will be trying to control the narrative... because they have to.

Concurrently if you are a civ and can give top effort I want some balls to the wall here. We aren't winning this on info. Civ voices need to dominate the thread. I want 150 pages. I want a bloodbath of analysis. I am going to be ruthless if you are phoning it in and I expect better of you. You know who you are.

Perhaps he is one of those players who have rolled anti-town, and that's why it's on his mind.

Also he suspected Epi for giving out town reads which is something town Epi does and actually I believe Mac did the same thing in scrimmage.


Mata has checked in only to laugh off Epi's statement of suspicion of her and to provide some slank cover.


Mafmen is just focused on mechanics and I feel like there were bits of it that seemed like they could have come from a scum perspective

You want this smoke?

Hey there pal are you free to participate in a GTH exercise?

The thread is full of productive play right now and it is early and opinions are not yet formed. I do not think GTH is required at present and in fact is likely to just suppress better scum hunting.

See my GTH in scrimmage for reference.

[MacDougall]

This game is unfolding as a perfect day 0 and injecting gimmicky projects into it is anti-town.

[Sloonei]

Mac: well I'm just being cautious about him bc you know. But actually he did kinda ping me with this post

This game has a good cast. There are invariably going to be some solid and prolific players who have rolled anti town here because of how many anti town roles there are and they will be trying to control the narrative... because they have to.

Concurrently if you are a civ and can give top effort I want some balls to the wall here. We aren't winning this on info. Civ voices need to dominate the thread. I want 150 pages. I want a bloodbath of analysis. I am going to be ruthless if you are phoning it in and I expect better of you. You know who you are.

Perhaps he is one of those players who have rolled anti-town, and that's why it's on his mind.

Also he suspected Epi for giving out town reads which is something town Epi does and actually I believe Mac did the same thing in scrimmage.


Mata has checked in only to laugh off Epi's statement of suspicion of her and to provide some slank cover.


Mafmen is just focused on mechanics and I feel like there were bits of it that seemed like they could have come from a scum perspective

You want this smoke?

Hey there pal are you free to participate in a GTH exercise?

The thread is full of productive play right now and it is early and opinions are not yet formed. I do not think GTH is required at present and in fact is likely to just suppress better scum hunting.

See my GTH in scrimmage for reference.

A lot of chatter is happening but we're struggling for direction and have a big crowd. GTH takes two seconds.

[Sloonei]

If people agree with Mac there's no need to do a GTH exercise. I think it would be helpful right now, though.

[MacDougall]

GTH is the perfect game for a supertown deepwolf type to call for. It makes them look busy and shows them where the juicy mislynches are.

What would be the more civilian thing to do is read the thread and find who is bad and burn them alive for it.

[Luxurious]

Spoiler: show

Mac: well I'm just being cautious about him bc you know. But actually he did kinda ping me with this post

This game has a good cast. There are invariably going to be some solid and prolific players who have rolled anti town here because of how many anti town roles there are and they will be trying to control the narrative... because they have to.

Concurrently if you are a civ and can give top effort I want some balls to the wall here. We aren't winning this on info. Civ voices need to dominate the thread. I want 150 pages. I want a bloodbath of analysis. I am going to be ruthless if you are phoning it in and I expect better of you. You know who you are.

Perhaps he is one of those players who have rolled anti-town, and that's why it's on his mind.

Also he suspected Epi for giving out town reads which is something town Epi does and actually I believe Mac did the same thing in scrimmage.


Mata has checked in only to laugh off Epi's statement of suspicion of her and to provide some slank cover.


Mafmen is just focused on mechanics and I feel like there were bits of it that seemed like they could have come from a scum perspective

Are you saying Mac was scum reading Epi because of the same thing he’s saying here?

Or is it that Mac was also easily handing out townreads.

Re: MM
What looked like it came from scum?

The first one.


re: mm, I'll have to look back but (a) not being as worried about the cult as ultra was, and (b) miscounting the kpn (could be faked ignorance or could be that his understanding was skewed for some other reason). and (c) just more generally he seems quite focused on the scum team mechanics as a topic (not counting Vig/SK in kpn for instance)

Okay then (a) why are you using ultra as a frame of reference for MM (b) that looks more like a tinfoil rather than a derp!town consideration (c) why doesnt he ask scum team for clarification regarding his kill instead of posting the numbers itt

Like i had a reason to view it as less town and figured we’d mindmeld on it but we didnt

Point is that it looks like words for the sake of words. Like he’s doing something rather than just twiddling thumbs

[Luxurious]

Who wants to do some Day 0 GTH reads?

All i have is this big pile of question marks and like

Three reads

This is exactly why I want to do a GTH exercise.

I wouldnt die for any of my reads tho but I’m down to clown

I think some sites may have a different definition of GTH than we do. For us it's "you have a gun to your head and you have to choose one alignment or the other," not "you would defend this opinion with a gun to your head." Kinda opposite.

I know what it means I did some last game :frowns:

[MacDougall]

Mac: well I'm just being cautious about him bc you know. But actually he did kinda ping me with this post

This game has a good cast. There are invariably going to be some solid and prolific players who have rolled anti town here because of how many anti town roles there are and they will be trying to control the narrative... because they have to.

Concurrently if you are a civ and can give top effort I want some balls to the wall here. We aren't winning this on info. Civ voices need to dominate the thread. I want 150 pages. I want a bloodbath of analysis. I am going to be ruthless if you are phoning it in and I expect better of you. You know who you are.

Perhaps he is one of those players who have rolled anti-town, and that's why it's on his mind.

Also he suspected Epi for giving out town reads which is something town Epi does and actually I believe Mac did the same thing in scrimmage.


Mata has checked in only to laugh off Epi's statement of suspicion of her and to provide some slank cover.


Mafmen is just focused on mechanics and I feel like there were bits of it that seemed like they could have come from a scum perspective

You want this smoke?

Hey there pal are you free to participate in a GTH exercise?

The thread is full of productive play right now and it is early and opinions are not yet formed. I do not think GTH is required at present and in fact is likely to just suppress better scum hunting.

See my GTH in scrimmage for reference.

A lot of chatter is happening but we're struggling for direction and have a big crowd. GTH takes two seconds.

GTH could easily just be 5 Mafia fellating one another.

"A lot of chatter" is amazing and perfect for day 0. Is it bothering you?

[Creature]

Go To Hell reads sound like a better name.

[Sloonei]

Mac: well I'm just being cautious about him bc you know. But actually he did kinda ping me with this post

This game has a good cast. There are invariably going to be some solid and prolific players who have rolled anti town here because of how many anti town roles there are and they will be trying to control the narrative... because they have to.

Concurrently if you are a civ and can give top effort I want some balls to the wall here. We aren't winning this on info. Civ voices need to dominate the thread. I want 150 pages. I want a bloodbath of analysis. I am going to be ruthless if you are phoning it in and I expect better of you. You know who you are.

Perhaps he is one of those players who have rolled anti-town, and that's why it's on his mind.

Also he suspected Epi for giving out town reads which is something town Epi does and actually I believe Mac did the same thing in scrimmage.


Mata has checked in only to laugh off Epi's statement of suspicion of her and to provide some slank cover.


Mafmen is just focused on mechanics and I feel like there were bits of it that seemed like they could have come from a scum perspective

You want this smoke?

Hey there pal are you free to participate in a GTH exercise?

The thread is full of productive play right now and it is early and opinions are not yet formed. I do not think GTH is required at present and in fact is likely to just suppress better scum hunting.

See my GTH in scrimmage for reference.

A lot of chatter is happening but we're struggling for direction and have a big crowd. GTH takes two seconds.

GTH could easily just be 5 Mafia fellating one another.

"A lot of chatter" is amazing and perfect for day 0. Is it bothering you?

You can inject a civilian voice into it.