Arrowverse Mafia - Day 8

[Luxurious]

Forgot that the felicity player can't just post results

In that case, what we might want to try a coordinated effort to allow the felicity player to "claim indirectly"

Here's what I'm thinking, if all of us come together and decide on D1 that nobody is allowed to cast a vote, except for the felicity player who casts a vote on her peek, we get whoever we want out D1.

This doesn't break the claiming rules as far as I understand, because anybody can still step forth and vote. But if someone else does vote, we'll still know one is felicity and one is scum. So still a net +

Interesting idea but that would not only out them and give scum a target

But wouldnt it be better to hold off using that until late game where there’ll be more information regarding player alignment?

I mean the felicity player's peak is a one shot, and can ascertain the identity of any player role in the game, so I think it's a no brainer that it would be used straight away

I mean sure if you wanna get a scum right from the start and not give them any chance to out their teammates

But there are only 2 (pending 3) in the mafia team currently

uh

there are like, 7 scum in this game

Not counting independents acting outside of traditional town/scum wincon

[Creature]

I suspect Matahari.

Who?

[Sloonei]

k so the math is wrong
it goes from 2.5 kpn to 2
i assume both factions have a nk

The team descriptions say the mafia teams alternate kills. One team kills odd nights, the other kills even nights.

[Luxurious]

Hot take

Felicity player should use her one shot on Rip Hunter to prevent Cult Shenanigans

at first glance cult looks pretty harmless early game, in my personal opinion it should be spent on someone like deathstroke, it brings down the average kpn from 2.5 (i assume) down to 1.5

i dont see any posts of ultra that would let me make a read as they are all pregame fluff which happens or strategic thinking which comes from both alignments

Hmmmm

what's on yer mind?

It feels a bit like a minimization of what Ultra’s doing

And I’m not sure if MM has played with Ultra before but it’s kinda shady to dismiss his posts as pregame fluff or NAI

none of his posts were readable
they come from both alignments and are very common posts to make

you may find a read in there but i see it as a stretch

How is it very common to suggest angelshooting a scum lynch before the game truly starts???

[MafiaMenace]

k so the math is wrong
it goes from 2.5 kpn to 2
i assume both factions have a nk

The team descriptions say the mafia teams alternate kills. One team kills odd nights, the other kills even nights.

oh
so its 1.5
so this game is much more balanced than i thought

so 1.5 to 1 kpn

[Luxurious]

k so the math is wrong
it goes from 2.5 kpn to 2
i assume both factions have a nk

The team descriptions say the mafia teams alternate kills. One team kills odd nights, the other kills even nights.

I didnt read the set up right

I assumed one team was just an independent

[Ultra]

Forgot that the felicity player can't just post results

In that case, what we might want to try a coordinated effort to allow the felicity player to "claim indirectly"

Here's what I'm thinking, if all of us come together and decide on D1 that nobody is allowed to cast a vote, except for the felicity player who casts a vote on her peek, we get whoever we want out D1.

This doesn't break the claiming rules as far as I understand, because anybody can still step forth and vote. But if someone else does vote, we'll still know one is felicity and one is scum. So still a net +

Interesting idea but that would not only out them and give scum a target

But wouldnt it be better to hold off using that until late game where there’ll be more information regarding player alignment?

I mean the felicity player's peak is a one shot, and can ascertain the identity of any player role in the game, so I think it's a no brainer that it would be used straight away

I mean sure if you wanna get a scum right from the start and not give them any chance to out their teammates

But there are only 2 (pending 3) in the mafia team currently

uh

there are like, 7 scum in this game

Not counting independents acting outside of traditional town/scum wincon

me neither

there are two mafia factions

Anyway there's a point in that there's potential for reads by waiting to use the shot but there's two problems with this

1) The remote possibility that felicity dies
2) Interactive reads and PoE is more difficult in a multiball game

[Creature]

Holy lots of posts already you guys

I know, I know.

[Sloonei]

The read on you?

Considering how you started the game, and the fact that JJJ just flipped scum after doing a lot of prodding and fake town work, it’s not hard to understand that Speed (and me a bit) has a tinfoil on you already.

Towning it up only to flip scum at post game because you won

Fair. I just wanted to be clear on your point. I'm going to ask tons of questions like that.

[MafiaMenace]

Hot take

Felicity player should use her one shot on Rip Hunter to prevent Cult Shenanigans

at first glance cult looks pretty harmless early game, in my personal opinion it should be spent on someone like deathstroke, it brings down the average kpn from 2.5 (i assume) down to 1.5

i dont see any posts of ultra that would let me make a read as they are all pregame fluff which happens or strategic thinking which comes from both alignments

Hmmmm

what's on yer mind?

It feels a bit like a minimization of what Ultra’s doing

And I’m not sure if MM has played with Ultra before but it’s kinda shady to dismiss his posts as pregame fluff or NAI

none of his posts were readable
they come from both alignments and are very common posts to make

you may find a read in there but i see it as a stretch

How is it very common to suggest angelshooting a scum lynch before the game truly starts???

quote that post
because i never saw it


either way i was not talking about his entire iso, most posts he has made are like i said
pregame fluff or strategic posts
both of which can and do come from either alignments

i dont know how youre making an argument out of this

[Creature]

guess I skipped all of them

[Sloonei]

k so the math is wrong
it goes from 2.5 kpn to 2
i assume both factions have a nk

The team descriptions say the mafia teams alternate kills. One team kills odd nights, the other kills even nights.

oh
so its 1.5
so this game is much more balanced than i thought

so 1.5 to 1 kpn

Nah, we still have the potential for 2 kills per night.

Town has an even night vigilante, plus a scum team killing on even nights.
There is also an odd night serial killer, plus a scum team killing on odd nights.

[Luxurious]

I have substantiated a gripe that I have with a Speedchuck post on Day 0. It exists to bolster the conversation in the thread.

Speedchuck gave an indecisive wave of the hand. I'd like him to tell us what it means, and I'd like other people to comment on it.

Why does your response exist?

I don't feel strongly about it either way. It's something I can easily imagine myself saying as well, as a general impulse to sort out what I'm thinking about people who have been active in the thread so far.

I’m mindmelding with this

[MafiaMenace]

k so the math is wrong
it goes from 2.5 kpn to 2
i assume both factions have a nk

The team descriptions say the mafia teams alternate kills. One team kills odd nights, the other kills even nights.

oh
so its 1.5
so this game is much more balanced than i thought

so 1.5 to 1 kpn

Nah, we still have the potential for 2 kills per night.

Town has an even night vigilante, plus a scum team killing on even nights.
There is also an odd night serial killer, plus a scum team killing on odd nights.

im talking about scum kpn

[Creature]

Epi and MafiaMenace ping me.

Me too.

[Luxurious]

at first glance cult looks pretty harmless early game, in my personal opinion it should be spent on someone like deathstroke, it brings down the average kpn from 2.5 (i assume) down to 1.5

i dont see any posts of ultra that would let me make a read as they are all pregame fluff which happens or strategic thinking which comes from both alignments

Hmmmm

what's on yer mind?

It feels a bit like a minimization of what Ultra’s doing

And I’m not sure if MM has played with Ultra before but it’s kinda shady to dismiss his posts as pregame fluff or NAI

none of his posts were readable
they come from both alignments and are very common posts to make

you may find a read in there but i see it as a stretch

How is it very common to suggest angelshooting a scum lynch before the game truly starts???

quote that post
because i never saw it


either way i was not talking about his entire iso, most posts he has made are like i said
pregame fluff or strategic posts
both of which can and do come from either alignments

i dont know how youre making an argument out of this

There wasnt an argument or a push

Just some shade and thoughts for myself to think about as the game goes on

Also what strategic posts are you talking about if not for the suggestion of outing a cop with a scum peek

[Creature]

Oof Ultra wanted to drop the discussion and I made 4 posts about it. Sorry.

I would feel tempted to do the same too.

[Creature]

Dragon Fluffy can be town too

[Creature]

Damn those classes bore me to the bone

What thoughts do you have on the game so far? Do any individual players stand out to you at all?

Yes, Epi and MafiaMenace.

[Sloonei]

Dragon Fluffy can be town too

Explain.

[Creature]

Also idk about my playstyle, it may change according to the game pace. Though I'm known for making 20+ posts in a row when I'm inspired enough.

What sort of things do you look for when you’re reading people?

I'm better at sorting them when I'm actually interacting with them.

[MafiaMenace]

Question regarding the no claims rule - does that mean if you're the cop/tracker/whatever you can't state your results?

Hot take

Felicity player should use her one shot on Rip Hunter to prevent Cult Shenanigans

[Ultra]

at first glance cult looks pretty harmless early game, in my personal opinion it should be spent on someone like deathstroke, it brings down the average kpn from 2.5 (i assume) down to 1.5

i dont see any posts of ultra that would let me make a read as they are all pregame fluff which happens or strategic thinking which comes from both alignments

Hmmmm

what's on yer mind?

It feels a bit like a minimization of what Ultra’s doing

And I’m not sure if MM has played with Ultra before but it’s kinda shady to dismiss his posts as pregame fluff or NAI

none of his posts were readable
they come from both alignments and are very common posts to make

you may find a read in there but i see it as a stretch

How is it very common to suggest angelshooting a scum lynch before the game truly starts???

quote that post
because i never saw it


either way i was not talking about his entire iso, most posts he has made are like i said
pregame fluff or strategic posts
both of which can and do come from either alignments

i dont know how youre making an argument out of this

Yeah but the context is I'm strategizing for how to eliminate scum. Not just talking shop about the set up. I'm pretty sure that's why everyone is reading me +

[Ultra]

Sloonei comes off as a bit stiff to me, just as a first impression

[MafiaMenace]

Hmmmm

what's on yer mind?

It feels a bit like a minimization of what Ultra’s doing

And I’m not sure if MM has played with Ultra before but it’s kinda shady to dismiss his posts as pregame fluff or NAI

none of his posts were readable
they come from both alignments and are very common posts to make

you may find a read in there but i see it as a stretch

How is it very common to suggest angelshooting a scum lynch before the game truly starts???

quote that post
because i never saw it


either way i was not talking about his entire iso, most posts he has made are like i said
pregame fluff or strategic posts
both of which can and do come from either alignments

i dont know how youre making an argument out of this

Yeah but the context is I'm strategizing for how to eliminate scum. Not just talking shop about the set up. I'm pretty sure that's why everyone is reading me +

which comes from either side

im not scumreading you keep that in mind, im just not having a read at all about you

[Sloonei]

Also idk about my playstyle, it may change according to the game pace. Though I'm known for making 20+ posts in a row when I'm inspired enough.

What sort of things do you look for when you’re reading people?

I'm better at sorting them when I'm actually interacting with them.

me too. Hence the million questions.

What first impressions do you have so far?

[Creature]

This is why I prefer anticlaim to just no claiming rules.

Modkillable claims?

[Creature]

Hi I'm new how do I play?

idk, how do you play?

Only one forward for pawn; any horizontally or vertically for rook; L shape for knight; any diagonally for bishop; any horizontally, vertically or diagonally for queen; and one horizontally, vertically or diagonally for king.

I dig this cat.

Ya’ll are going to get along great.

Two of the most frustrating players.

What?

[Sloonei]

Sloonei comes off as a bit stiff to me, just as a first impression

What does "stiff" mean in this context? is that a good or bad thing?

[Luxurious]

This game has a good cast. There are invariably going to be some solid and prolific players who have rolled anti town here because of how many anti town roles there are and they will be trying to control the narrative... because they have to.

Concurrently if you are a civ and can give top effort I want some balls to the wall here. We aren't winning this on info. Civ voices need to dominate the thread. I want 150 pages. I want a bloodbath of analysis. I am going to be ruthless if you are phoning it in and I expect better of you. You know who you are.

[Creature]

Cause the only things easier to win with than cults and survivors are friggin Survivor cults.

I see you've never faced a Jester Cult.

You all never played as scum on a mountainous arsonist setup.

[Luxurious]

Question regarding the no claims rule - does that mean if you're the cop/tracker/whatever you can't state your results?

Hot take

Felicity player should use her one shot on Rip Hunter to prevent Cult Shenanigans

Are you just reading his ISO because there is major discussion regarding this which ultimately

Even the mod comes in to voice that it’s against the rules

[Creature]

I tried catching up but the black background made my eyes bleed...

Uh? Usually white backgrounds deteriorate my eyes.

[Luxurious]

In answer to some popular questions:

The game continues until either the civs or baddies are eliminated, or Deathstroke is LMS. The Legends can achieve their win condition without ending the game. They can win with any faction except Deathstroke. Rip can recruit any role that is not un-recruitable, including Mafia.

Also the plan players suggested earlier would effectively be asking a player to roleclaim, so it's right out.

[Creature]

Day 0 isn’t usually this busy, but I got excited.

Me too.

[Luxurious]

I tried catching up but the black background made my eyes bleed...

Uh? Usually white backgrounds deteriorate my eyes.

It’s more gray and light blue than traditional eye-burning white

[Creature]

Also idk about my playstyle, it may change according to the game pace. Though I'm known for making 20+ posts in a row when I'm inspired enough.

Creature’s meta is that if he’s town, he’ll post a lot and I will probably try to lynch him anyhow.

What is your level of experience with this creature?

He's good at reading me




when he's mafia on a town v one mafia setup

[Creature]

I have no idea what to expect from a scum Creature beyond horror stories.

Like that mountainous?

[Creature]

(huh I think I forgot to scumhunt)

[nutella]

I tried catching up but the black background made my eyes bleed...

Uh? Usually white backgrounds deteriorate my eyes.

It’s more gray and light blue than traditional eye-burning white

Light blue can be even worse though

[Sloonei]

Damn those classes bore me to the bone

What thoughts do you have on the game so far? Do any individual players stand out to you at all?

Yes, Epi and MafiaMenace.

I assume they stand out as mafia reads/pings.

Why? I think you've talked about/with MafiaMenace a bit, but I haven't seen much discussion of Epi.

[Sloonei]

I tried catching up but the black background made my eyes bleed...

Uh? Usually white backgrounds deteriorate my eyes.

It’s more gray and light blue than traditional eye-burning white

Light blue can be even worse though

Gimme a read on a player right now.

[Creature]

Hi all,

First game here.

I tried catching up but the black background made my eyes bleed...

I'm using the light background.

Who needs backgrounds? Just use blindfold and text-to-braille.

[nutella]

I tried catching up but the black background made my eyes bleed...

Uh? Usually white backgrounds deteriorate my eyes.

It’s more gray and light blue than traditional eye-burning white

Light blue can be even worse though

Gimme a read on a player right now.

Everyone who starts with M is mafia.

[Sloonei]

I tried catching up but the black background made my eyes bleed...

Uh? Usually white backgrounds deteriorate my eyes.

It’s more gray and light blue than traditional eye-burning white

Light blue can be even worse though

Gimme a read on a player right now.

Everyone who starts with M is mafia.

Why?

[Creature]

Actually a question I had regarding Sara/ Laurel is that do they become a different scum team should they find each other and we have like

5 factions

Two betrayed sisters decided to gang up to beat Oliver Queen up?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Lol hi, Creature.

Hello, are you still randing scum?

Not this time.

[Creature]

(well, atleast no one seems to be scumhunting anyway)

[Jackofhearts2005]

Civilians must vote to keep their heels on the throat of mafia. Any plan that recommends civilians do not vote is suspect to me.

Ugh misused memes.

[Luxurious]

Hot take

Felicity player should use her one shot on Rip Hunter to prevent Cult Shenanigans

at first glance cult looks pretty harmless early game, in my personal opinion it should be spent on someone like deathstroke, it brings down the average kpn from 2.5 (i assume) down to 1.5

i dont see any posts of ultra that would let me make a read as they are all pregame fluff which happens or strategic thinking which comes from both alignments

I agree with this.

The maths change on if we can win with the cult or not but I’ve played several games were the scum team was fairly obvious but we couldn’t eliminate them because nks overpowered lynches. I’ve also played several games where the sker shot a goon or two and got lynched, which made the game a huge uphill battle for the wolves.

Don’t lynch the sker at mylo. Do lynch the sker on D1 or D2.

It’s kinda bullshit to take the hardest role to win as and use a one shot to eliminate it immediately though.

So if the sker isnt lynched D1/D2 then it keeps going until we reach mylo? And then we dont kill them?

This doesnt make sense to me expound