The Syndicate

sig wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 11:03 am I guess everyone is to busy adulting or something.

But. I do have a few ideas regarding gifts, so from the rules it sounds like mafia give them out, but we don't know who got it.. This is gonna further muddy the waters paired with coal.

I don't think hero shooting is necessarily the best way to approach it until mid game, before mid game and once we get closer to end game it would probably make the most sense if everyone targeted the same person. That would insure town has more control over the game and we're not just hitting random people.

I'd also say for n1 we just target people who haven't shown up yet. I'm never really a fan of lynching non posters I think its a good way for mafia to blend and not have responsibility, but given that these are kills i think it may make the most sense to trim the fat early

I like this post from sig. It came early on, which tells me it was his own thoughts (not one discussed among scummates), and I doubt a wolf so blatantly proposes a pro-town strat like this.

Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 11:43 am

sig wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 11:03 am I guess everyone is to busy adulting or something.

But. I do have a few ideas regarding gifts, so from the rules it sounds like mafia give them out, but we don't know who got it.. This is gonna further muddy the waters paired with coal.

I don't think hero shooting is necessarily the best way to approach it until mid game, before mid game and once we get closer to end game it would probably make the most sense if everyone targeted the same person. That would insure town has more control over the game and we're not just hitting random people.

I'd also say for n1 we just target people who haven't shown up yet. I'm never really a fan of lynching non posters I think its a good way for mafia to blend and not have responsibility, but given that these are kills i think it may make the most sense to trim the fat early

Ññññ.

Too early to talk about lynching non poster.

I was thinking about the hero shooting thing.

I conclude that i dont care meanwhile that person can explain the shot and that explanation sound legit to me in day 1/2.

Saying hey i have a shot lets talk to decide who should we shot its a good and easy way for deepwolfing.

This post sounds to me like preparing the ground for the scenario where a scum is given the shot and can easily spend half a day just talking about the shot and not giving an opinion.

You post like a mafia .

100% disagree, but I don't think this post is scummy.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:06 pm

cat wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:18 am From what i've heard Wilgy isn't that dangerous of a player, so this coal is surprising.

The hell does this mean?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:06 pm Who's telling cat things?

I don't like this entrance from Wilgy.

1) Wilgy is the type of player who would target himself or a teammate for the coal on Day 1.
2) Wilgy is generally a light-hearted player, especially early on. This first post reads as annoyed, and especially out of place since Wilgy later remembered to make his standard entrance.
3) cat flipped town, obviously no on was telling cat things.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:13 pm Samu is town
Syn and Sig are scum

No idea why syn is a scumread here. Possible w/w pairing.

Made wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:46 pm oh....so coal is just a straight negative... ight doesn't change the null wilgy read, but it does change the flavor of wifom.

I thought the coal turned into a gift the next day...which when you say it out loud, sounds pretty silly

The evolution of Made learning about coal looks natural. Town-lean here.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 3:34 pm [VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

For very good, very legitimate reasons.

Get out of here heathen.

sig wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 4:40 pm Really before this phase is over everyone should weight in on how they think we should handle shots and try to come to a consensus on who to shoot

I think we shouldn't necessarily all pick the same person, I do think it's correct that it's easy for mafia to hide in the consensus. But I do think we should all state who we're going to shoot before EOD to get an idea of who might have performed the kill.

Made wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:45 pm ....or not? I can't vote???? did i miss something?

Sorry bout that, I fixed it.

mewtini wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:52 pm brb reading everything as i haven't been here since p#20

what'd i miss. how's everyone's night (or day)

Hello Minori!!! I forgot to mention, Toradora used to be one of my favorite anime.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 10:25 pm It's my birthday so I won't be super active. I'll try to check in once or twice. Based on page 1:

Syn, Wilgy, GS and Samu are strong townreads. Sig is scum for the defensive tone when being attacked early and the excessive focus on mechanics at the start.

Hello inactive birthday player, why is DrWilgy a strong townread?

mewtini wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 11:15 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 10:31 pm This post is pretty townie.

why? the tmi comment? since i see you're doubting Made atm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 10:33 pm Kyle/mewtini, I'm having the hardest time reading you two. Weigh in on sig vs samu, please.

think samu is clear town for energy and genuineness. also appreciated him trying to preserve thread direction and eventually saying "maybe sig is just aggravated town," felt like he was acting in good faith

reluctant to slap a scumlean on sig out of personal policy (which is that it's d1 and i want to see more before SLing anyone); i think i'm sideeyeing made more at the moment, actually. sig's recent posting feels more genuine / less wordtwisty than earlier posting did (need to reread later, the language boundary was i think a nonnegligible part of it + made was a bit more strange about it than necessary)

i'm curious about any metareads that anyone else may have on made/sig tbh. i also find it pretty difficult to read much of anything from the current lowposters, e.g. i'm wondering where the syn reads are coming from

How do you determine who to vote for if you don't make scumreads D1 on policy?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:45 am Sig brings up mechanics basically right away immediately. i don't really understand what hero shooting means in this context, but that may be because i haven't read the rules or roles page. bringing up the idea of lynching non-posters at a point in the day where non-posters might not even be a thing is, maybe the most suspicious thing. samusamus seems to latch onto that. says sig is sus for trying to talk about lynching nonposters and something, he says that um.... ok at this part it seems to me like samu has a misunderstanding about the nature of the "gift" thing because they talk about how the person who recieves a gift could waste time during the day by talking about who they should target with it, but that doesn't seem to be how the feature works. sig responds to this asking if samu read the rules, and then accuses him of trying to twist his words. at this point they just sort of talk past each other a bunch without stopping to consider what the other one is saying, bunch of syntactical bullshit. i missed this before but sig accuses of samusamu of TMI as well which is a strange interesting interpretation. i think there is an element of language barrier involved in this chain of discussion. what is hero shooting and why is it relevant here?

i don't remember sig being this intense before. i think gth between the two players involved, sig looks worse, with a possibility of this being a dumb day 1 thing where civs just yell paragraphs at each other for no reason.

I do think it's very important to acknowledge that yes, they could both just be townies. I think they are.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:30 am Kylemii is townie. Very transparent thought processes.

Agreed.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:00 am Cat might be bad instead of kyle

What do you mean "instead of"? I admit cat's posts at this point didn't look great, but why would that make Kyle townie?

cat wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:32 am From what i can tell townie Alison is a tad more agressive and tries to take a town leader approach, or atleast keep others in check to make sure they aren't stupid.
Scum Alison is a lot more pockety and just places reads down without being too agressive to avoid blame. Would rather agree with someone on a read than push people forward towards one.

As far as i can tell, i can easily be wrong. If it's wrong i will just vote Sloonei, no biggie.

I think she can be forgiven for her low presence due to birthday (and I think moving soon). That said, I don't find what she's offered to be particularly townie. She backed off of her scumread of cat because of their non-agenda vote for her. And yet, Alison asks this contrived question, which reeks agenda.

Grand Scheme wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 11:54 am Though it's not close, it's good to note
A hammer drops on the eighth vote

I think it's hard to truely get a feel
From the way GS is posting, are his motivations real?
But their content is fine, I will make that call
Now dash away, dash away, dash away all.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:22 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:15 am I've got a tin foil theory brewing that wilgy, cat, and then Allison/syn are mafia with a tin foiled version of that theory saying instead of them its samu.

These are empty words. You don't show us why it's true and you don't follow it up with a vote of your own. It's hust shotgunning shade.

Normally tin-foil theories are made because there's not much or no evidence to prove that they're true. I don't like this accusation.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:12 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:38 pm So we shouldn't be suspicious of someone who other people read as town? So deep wolves don't exist and weren't literally in the last game we played.

Also its a false narrative to even say Samu is a obv town, multiple people have disagreed with that your trying to force your opinion on everyone else's.

Also given that you literally just played with me can you not tell when im joking? I'm pretty sure this is the second time it happened this game vz not at all last game.

I'm really not liking your approach this game or the reasoning for why you should go after me it seems scummy

Deep wolves exist. But what you are doing is not rooting a deep wolf out. What you are doing is attacking a townie player for bad reasoning, backing off when they get townread and reverting to a list of three safe reads, and then pretending that you're scumhunting or engaging in townie paranoia when you have no solid reasoning behind your push.

I think Samu is obvtown and I am trying to force this on everyone else. That's what playing mafia is about. I hate your push on him and scumread you on it. I don't care if you dislike my approach since I think you are scum and I want you dead.

I really dislike your accusations and suspicion of sig. This is the second time you've described things that he's doing that are quite reasonable for a townie to do, but calling him scum for it. In this case, you've described sig as "attacking a townie player for bad reasoning, backing off when they get townread". Is this not normal behavior? You've stated earlier you goal is to convince the thread that Samu is town, yet here you're suspecting sig for listening? You can't have both Alison.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:43 pm

Made wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:42 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:34 pm

Made wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:32 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:27 pm

Made wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:27 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:16 pm
What do you think about sloonei?

Hekkatown

Why?

I like the cut of ya jib, not really see an angle for a bad paprika generally, and ur defense of samu enough sense to be genuine

I think you are mafia. Thoughts?

Kinda don’t believe you, so will see where that goes, but are entitled to your onion mr. paprika. I’m town, so

Why would I lie if I'm town?

I've generally felt good about Sloonei and null on Made, but the end of this interaction is weird.

If Made doesn't believe Sloonei, normally that would mean he scumreads Sloonei.

I get that townies are far less likely to lie than wolves, but the question Sloonei asked in response is still weird. I can't put my finger on why.

Made wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:16 pm Wilgy’s iso is bad. like really really bad

I 100% agree.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:47 pm I don't have time to read or review Cat.

my vote is being placed on [VOTE: $ig] aubergine

I have consulted the ancient spirits of Christmas past and present and they have told me that this is the way :zen:

This vote looks awful imo. Kyle has the 3rd most posts in the game (and actually the second most at this point), suggesting he has at least some idea what's going on. And yet, he opts not to vote DrWilgy on policy, or to read back on what the case is on cat, although cat's iso was not long.

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 6:00 pm[VOTE: sig] aubergine

Why the switch from Wilgy to sig?