The Syndicate

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:00 pm**

Donald Fagen and Walter Becker looked at this recently unfrozen party.

It still looked ice cold to them. These people were wielding instruments of golf instead of instruments of good times. The duo shook their heads in grave disapproval.

“Chinese music always sets me free,” Fagan mused aloud. “Angular banjos sound good to me.”

Becker was more straightforward. “Give us some funked-up Muzak. It’s party time.”

The Prog Archives Event has been unlocked! Instructions are forthcoming.

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:02 pm**

[VOTE: Elohcin] aubergine

So many little pings going off, but lacking the theory of mind as a civ and tying yourself up in ‘that’s why you’re bad, actually that makes you civ’ logic is enough for a vote.

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:02 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:59 pmI look great.

Prove it

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:03 pm**

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:10 pm Just started work, so I can't wallpost or anything, but here's some takes:

Scotty's insistence on the Eloh scumread feels forced. Possible distancing. sig is a good boy if true.

Axe is a zero-faith townie, reminds me of Phenon where I just shat in everyone's cereal in some weird sussy town performance.

The bea train is garbage. Looking at that in more detail tonight.

Llama needs to explain his rainbow, The bit about me, specifically.

Possible distancing, huh? So you think Elo is bad then?

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:04 pm**

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:16 pm
bea wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:00 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:56 pm
bea wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:46 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:40 pm
bea wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:34 pm @Golden

Yes. I am most familiar with the people who played on sites before the syndicate.

I am unsure as to why you pointed this out Golden? Did you think I was avoiding the question of "Who are you most familiar with?"
No. It was just funny how perfect the breakdown was.

A no u moment here… but that felt like you were jumping at a shadow. Why did you read that post as having a hidden intent?
Because I am still trying to figure you out. I feel like my Golden gut monitor is off and I can't tell if it's from lack of practice reading you, your play style has changed or you are being weird.
I mean the third one is definitely true but that doesn’t mean other things are not.

Is getting an early read on me something you specifically want to do?
Old habits die hard. I usually had a pretty solid read on you early in the past. It was one of the things that helped to ground me so I am feeling a little shook up over my flippy flop about trusting you or not.
This checks out. I’ll say more post-game, but am I deliberately different? Yes. But hopefully in a way that still makes me feel like Golden.

Would you say you’re playing differently because this game you’re Goldendependent?

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:05 pm**

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:02 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:59 pmI look great.
Prove it

I need a haircut, actually.

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:06 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:04 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:16 pm
bea wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:00 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:56 pm
bea wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:46 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:40 pm
bea wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:34 pm @Golden

Yes. I am most familiar with the people who played on sites before the syndicate.

I am unsure as to why you pointed this out Golden? Did you think I was avoiding the question of "Who are you most familiar with?"
No. It was just funny how perfect the breakdown was.

A no u moment here… but that felt like you were jumping at a shadow. Why did you read that post as having a hidden intent?
Because I am still trying to figure you out. I feel like my Golden gut monitor is off and I can't tell if it's from lack of practice reading you, your play style has changed or you are being weird.
I mean the third one is definitely true but that doesn’t mean other things are not.

Is getting an early read on me something you specifically want to do?
Old habits die hard. I usually had a pretty solid read on you early in the past. It was one of the things that helped to ground me so I am feeling a little shook up over my flippy flop about trusting you or not.
This checks out. I’ll say more post-game, but am I deliberately different? Yes. But hopefully in a way that still makes me feel like Golden.
Would you say you’re playing differently because this game you’re Goldendependent?

Yes

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:07 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:36 pm You guys will get there eventuallt.

oh thank Cthulhu I can finally role check you tonite

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:07 pm**

I think that’s the most wifom post I’ve ever made.

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:09 pm**

For the Prog Archives event, each player must submit a link to a progressive rock song to our celebrity judges! Here are the guidelines for submission:
1. The song must be found within the Prog Archives database. You can find it at www.progarchives.com

2. The song can be no longer than 6 minutes in length.

3. The song must be submitted as a link by PM here on the site to BOTH Spacedaisy AND Epignosis.

4. The submission must be made BEFORE the end of Day 1.

If your submission does not meet all four of these criteria, it will be disqualified from consideration.

The winner will be removed from the poll in Day 2! Good luck, players!

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:10 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:42 pm What’s mafia?

Remember that giant panda that showed up on your doorstep on your 8th birthday? That was Cousin Louis- he’s a swell guy. Mafia are family.

You know what I’m talking about

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:10 pm**

@Spacedaisy Prog archives link doesn’t work.

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:10 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:00 pm

Donald Fagen and Walter Becker looked at this recently unfrozen party.

It still looked ice cold to them. These people were wielding instruments of golf instead of instruments of good times. The duo shook their heads in grave disapproval.

“Chinese music always sets me free,” Fagan mused aloud. “Angular banjos sound good to me.”

Becker was more straightforward. “Give us some funked-up Muzak. It’s party time.”

The Prog Archives Event has been unlocked! Instructions are forthcoming.

oh

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:13 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:03 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:10 pm Just started work, so I can't wallpost or anything, but here's some takes:

Scotty's insistence on the Eloh scumread feels forced. Possible distancing. sig is a good boy if true.

Axe is a zero-faith townie, reminds me of Phenon where I just shat in everyone's cereal in some weird sussy town performance.

The bea train is garbage. Looking at that in more detail tonight.

Llama needs to explain his rainbow, The bit about me, specifically.
Possible distancing, huh? So you think Elo is bad then?

Yes, in that I think you're w/w. I want to expand on my independent reads on you both when I get home.

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:14 pm**

Quin is town.

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:15 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:10 pm @Spacedaisy Prog archives link doesn’t work.

Weirdness is afoot. I just wrote in the link. I couldn't get my laptop to connect to it, but my phone would. If we continue to have trouble with it, we may disregard that criteria.

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:17 pm**

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:15 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:10 pm @Spacedaisy Prog archives link doesn’t work.
Weirdness is afoot. I just wrote in the link. I couldn't get my laptop to connect to it, but my phone would. If we continue to have trouble with it, we may disregard that criteria.

It is working now.

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:18 pm**

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:13 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:03 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:10 pm Just started work, so I can't wallpost or anything, but here's some takes:

Scotty's insistence on the Eloh scumread feels forced. Possible distancing. sig is a good boy if true.

Axe is a zero-faith townie, reminds me of Phenon where I just shat in everyone's cereal in some weird sussy town performance.

The bea train is garbage. Looking at that in more detail tonight.

Llama needs to explain his rainbow, The bit about me, specifically.
Possible distancing, huh? So you think Elo is bad then?
Yes, in that I think you're w/w. I want to expand on my independent reads on you both when I get home.

Cool. In the meantime, vote for Elo, my partner. Then we can go from there.

Although I’m not even certain Elo is the cat in the hat for the day, so to speak

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:19 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:14 pmQuin is town.

Why should I believe you?

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:20 pm**

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:19 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:14 pmQuin is town.
Why should I believe you?

Because I’ve read books.

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:23 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:18 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:13 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:03 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:10 pm Just started work, so I can't wallpost or anything, but here's some takes:

Scotty's insistence on the Eloh scumread feels forced. Possible distancing. sig is a good boy if true.

Axe is a zero-faith townie, reminds me of Phenon where I just shat in everyone's cereal in some weird sussy town performance.

The bea train is garbage. Looking at that in more detail tonight.

Llama needs to explain his rainbow, The bit about me, specifically.
Possible distancing, huh? So you think Elo is bad then?
Yes, in that I think you're w/w. I want to expand on my independent reads on you both when I get home.
Cool. In the meantime, vote for Elo, my partner. Then we can go from there.

Although I’m not even certain Elo is the cat in the hat for the day, so to speak

Then why do you want me to vote for her? Why are you voting for her? There's still 24 hours to wreak havoc, you know.

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:24 pm**

Is the winning answer ‘there’s no such thing as a true prob rock track under six minutes’?

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:24 pm**

Well that’s a typo.

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:24 pm**

I need to actual work while I am at my actual job so I am going to leave now.

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:27 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:17 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:15 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:10 pm @Spacedaisy Prog archives link doesn’t work.
Weirdness is afoot. I just wrote in the link. I couldn't get my laptop to connect to it, but my phone would. If we continue to have trouble with it, we may disregard that criteria.
It is working now.

Good, then the criteria stands. If you have problems with it just tell us in your submission PM.

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:43 pm**

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:24 pm Is the winning answer ‘there’s no such thing as a true prob rock track under six minutes’?

You beat me to making this joke, you jerk!

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2022 9:43 pm**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:31 am Bea: *Lick*
G-Man: *Lick*

Vagrant doctor, why for art hast thou lickest me? Dost thy tongue perceive me in a particular manner?

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:20 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 12:02 pm
thellama73 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:21 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:28 pm I have an idea of who the mafia is, but it's not who I'm voting at the moment. Though, the person I'm voting may also be mafia, who knows.
I do not like this post, nor do I like the vote for Bea. Mind you, I think voting for Bea in general is reasonable because people always tend to trust her, which makes her dangerous on the occasions when she is mafia, but Axey’s vote came without explanation and was a pile on after a (marginally) more justified vote.

Also, why would you not vote for who you think the mafia is?
I’ve learned to just disregard Axe in D1 because he does this as town, mafia, independent and axehole

thellama73 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:09 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:27 pm That is some effective R o L e F I S h i N g

For anyone who misunderstood my intent.
I understand the concept of throwing out votes in movable-vote games to gauge reactions, but at the same time that can be a cop out way to excuse bad behavior. If you successfully start a wagon with your vote, you get what you want, but if it doesn't take you can just claim it was for role fishing and claim immunity from any criticism. Don't expect me not to evaluate you based on your behavior just because you claim it doesn't mean anything.

Viral infections sometimes have a sweeter disposition than NAA early on in games. It is true that he comes across in the same abrasive manner regardless of alignment. If you play a few games with him, you will either 1) learn to ignore some of his punchier tendencies, or 2) auto-sus him anyway because even though it's NAI, it's also not a reason to NOT sus him.

And let's keep in mind that there is a 3P role out there when we're reading people; we're not just living in a binary system.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 3:16 pm
Spoiler: show
Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 3:13 pm
Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:29 am We got two TRs on sig from Scotty, then Golden. I'd agree with them I think.

I wonder why Eloh didn't post more when confronted with two townreads that went against his considerations that sig could be mafia.
Eloh's explanation for sig sus reads a bit stretched too. Would be my early whiff for a start.
Judging from my perspective I don't consider others' reads except they are my town reads. Had Eloh said they town read Scotty and Golden? Because if not, why do you think they should post more and reconsider?
LoRab wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:23 am Popping in. I’ll be driving most of the day, and so I can do so safely, will not be posting and driving. But I will try to check in on stops.

Note well use adverb above, as well as in this sentence.
Looking forward for your input
Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:49 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:31 am Votes should be expressed in the thread though, like this:
[VOTE: Vivax] aubergine

Let the little man whisper!
I will HAPPILY use an adverb, but it may take me a while to get used to the vote tag thing. Have patience.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 5:48 am
Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:21 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 8:37 pm Right, so Sig is obviously mafia, right?
I would say it is something to consider.

I'm not a fan of changing votes. I like to take the day to interact and observe without being hasty.

Sig says votes are changeable. I don't see how he could have known this before voting. I can only find him sus right away as his hasty vote would most likely land on a civ.
Yeah if only there were a role that explicitly stated (hey look guys, adverb. I'm multitasking!) that votes were changeable.

Maybe Eloh missed that part, though. I guess if it were an indie role or a mafia role, and Eloh were a civ and had no reason to read up on the mafia/indie sides of things, that could be it.

But if that role were not an indie or mafia role, and Eloh were a mafia or an indie and would have reason to be more focused on that side of the board, I could see a world where Eloh might forgo reading up on the civ side of things.
So, rule number 5 says the "votes are changeable. MAYBE." Then, I did read the roles including Moveable Votes, but didn't understand it. I was looking at it like a RULE and not a ROLE, probably b/c I had been in the car all day traveling. But I just had a lightbulb moment looking back at it now after a good night's sleep! So, I definitely get it now.

I no longer suspect sig atm. We shall see what's to come.
I didn't ask for adverbs, I asked for voting using the vote bbcode in the thread for transparency

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:49 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:48 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 8:37 pm Right, so Sig is obviously mafia, right?
This one
I refused to take it seriously, which I suspect is the point.
That post generated the whole discussion though

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 3:02 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:49 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:48 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 8:37 pm Right, so Sig is obviously mafia, right?
This one
I refused to take it seriously, which I suspect is the point.
Correct.
I was about to ask!

An unserious post can generate serious discussion.

I don't know what to make of you yet. I like that you're constantly in motion, but it's too early to determine if it's just artifice this time around.

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 4:05 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 3:54 pm There would be nothing more ‘classic mafia’ than DF being D1 lynched for low posting.
Hopefully they posts and we can make a read because lynching a low poster at random is a coin flip.

I want to chop a baddie today, but if we have to mischop, then I'd rather we be wrong about a player whose interactions we can parse through for clues than someone who leaves us stranded in a field with a bag of sand to pound.

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:45 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:07 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:36 pm You guys will get there eventuallt.
oh thank Cthulhu I can finally role check you tonite

Did you just role claim a mafia role?

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2022 11:11 pm**

thellama73 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:30 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:08 pm Vivacious posting today, it seems. Too bad I no longer play mafia while at work. Might as well re-read the whole thread while I paint pumpkins and catch up on the bills. I’ll offer what kernels I can, but I’m just as useless on Day 1 as I’ve always been.
Civvies don’t paint pumpkins, they carve them. Terrible.

Valid point, under normal circumstances. But this pumpkin is for a workplace contest- no carving allowed because the higher-ups don't want rotting gourds festering in the breakroom the rest of the week.

I like you so far. You seem loose. Loose Llama is a good sign.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:42 pm What’s mafia?

Who's on first?

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:02 pm [VOTE: Elohcin] aubergine

So many little pings going off, but lacking the theory of mind as a civ and tying yourself up in ‘that’s why you’re bad, actually that makes you civ’ logic is enough for a vote.

I seem to recall baddie Eloh being guilty of being too agreeable. I'm not sure we're seeing the same thing here, coward.

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2022 11:15 pm**

bea wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 5:56 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 11:11 pm Visions of Day 1’s of old are running through my mind. I’m not inclined to just let it go in the undisciplined manner of yesteryear. I need more meat to chew on from everyone first. I’m thankful that my night away coincided with Night 0 instead of the first half of Day 1.

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 11:15 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 11:07 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:27 pm That being said, I actually think sig coming out and throwing caution to the wind with regards to his spelling and grammar is townie, if not reckless. Could be WIFOM, but that role is incredibly restrictive to my *vibe* which comes with autocorrect errors and incomplete sentences. So I get it.
The grammar police role is mafia. Making typos does not benefit town.
Valid point indeed! But the civvies have an adverb checker, so we should play it old school like when lie detector roles were still in vogue and pressure everyone to post a unique adverb. Anyone who resists must die.
I agree with what G-man is laying down here.

Adverbs in generaly VASTLY improve communication. They can also HEAVILY color meaning in terms of connoative associations.

(Oh! I almost souned smart up there!)

Vile assertion here, bea. Adverbs are, more often than not, unnecessary, and a sign of a writer who struggles to convey their meaning (or one who seeks to over-convey their meaning, which demeans the intelligence of the reader).

I don't remember your meta like at all beyond the fact that you are sweet and affable like juliets, which makes you dangerous.

(oops- too many tabs open! This was supposed to be posted before that last one. Ah well)

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2022 11:21 pm**

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 11:11 pm
thellama73 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:30 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:08 pm Vivacious posting today, it seems. Too bad I no longer play mafia while at work. Might as well re-read the whole thread while I paint pumpkins and catch up on the bills. I’ll offer what kernels I can, but I’m just as useless on Day 1 as I’ve always been.
Civvies don’t paint pumpkins, they carve them. Terrible.
Valid point, under normal circumstances. But this pumpkin is for a workplace contest- no carving allowed because the higher-ups don't want rotting gourds festering in the breakroom the rest of the week.

I like you so far. You seem loose. Loose Llama is a good sign.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:42 pm What’s mafia?
Who's on first?

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:02 pm [VOTE: Elohcin] aubergine

So many little pings going off, but lacking the theory of mind as a civ and tying yourself up in ‘that’s why you’re bad, actually that makes you civ’ logic is enough for a vote.
I seem to recall baddie Eloh being guilty of being too agreeable. I'm not sure we're seeing the same thing here, coward.

Eloh jumped off a sig suspicion after a couple of people town read him. I’m not sure what you’re seeing, but I would characterise Eloh’s game so far as agreeable.

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2022 11:29 pm**

Very early groupings from a Day 1 dunce:

I'm not inclined to chop anyone with a lower post count than myself, so that means a stay of execution for LoRab, DF, and Kate for now. Let them establish themselves for at least the night phase and we'll see what shakes out.

I feel good about Llama, so he's off the list for now as well. I don't see what some folks are seeing in Eloh (who has been classic mischop bait in the past).

Vivax is shiny and new to me, so I'm inclined to give them the BOTD for now.

I feel like chopping from the top half of the post count will yield the most content to pick through, so that leaves me with a prospective list of Scotty, Sloonei, Golden the Coward, DH, bea, Michelle, and NAA.

Seeing that the Rez Plz event includes only players who die without flipping, I might hesitate to mischop a few of those names because of their potential utility as rezzable civs. I hope that you all can make my decision-making process easier on me by doing things that sort you all out a little more by the time I'm eating my breakfast in the morning.

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2022 11:37 pm**

I have a very specific reason why I agree with not chopping a low poster just yet.

Posted: **Mon Oct 24, 2022 11:39 pm**

@G-Man im not sure planning game around the ‘rez plz’ triggered event is viable strategy.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:04 am**

LoRab wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:45 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:07 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:36 pm You guys will get there eventuallt.
oh thank Cthulhu I can finally role check you tonite
Did you just role claim a mafia role?

Come to think of it, I'm pretty sure I saw him vaporize an intern.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:50 am**

bea wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:15 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:07 pm @bea Which players in this game are/were you most familiar with in those bygone days?
1) Most experience playing with: DF, DH, Splintsy, G-man, Golden, Kate, Lorab.

2) Mid-teir: Dr. Wgy, llamaloo, quin, scotty, sug, you.

3) New to me: Michelle, Axe, Vivax.

bea wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:24 pm 3 way tie - vote closes in little more than 30 minutes. I dont want to vote for any of the people who have votes. Quiet (possilbe miss of lynch) from df feels on brand, a post abput driving from lorab then nothing. No posts from kate. That has me worried. Ugh. Day 1.

Catching up I think this is a town slip because scum would know how much time we have left in the day. Also I feel dissapointment for the tied votes, and quiet gamestate
Towny mindset

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:58 am**

Sloonei looks like he's posting a single read from time to time to see what happens.
It may be a towny way to test people.
Maybe is scum behaviour of throwing mud of the wall to see what sticks.
Gut says it's the first one, I hope I am right

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:27 am**

I'm rereading the thread for bea, Scotty and Eloh all at the same time. Wawa word vomit time. Is it a grammatical error if the person's name is in itself, a grammatical error?

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:39 pm I voted bea because
A) she is extremely cheery
B) she is the first in the poll
C) I don’t know if it’s pronounced “bay” or “bee” or “bah-ee”
But mainly e) her first post was quoting another post, which is suspicious.

Boom! Roasted.

Why is opening with a quote suspicious?

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:37 am**

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:39 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:39 pm I voted bea because
A) she is extremely cheery
B) she is the first in the poll
C) I don’t know if it’s pronounced “bay” or “bee” or “bah-ee”
But mainly e) her first post was quoting another post, which is suspicious.

Boom! Roasted.
I voted Bea.

I like Axe for this. The read itself is mixed up in a bunch of fluff (on Page 2 even, fluff city), but there's substance that most people skimming the thread would have looked over the first time. It's a no nonsense vote and it's super early in the game.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:45 am**

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:37 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:39 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:39 pm I voted bea because
A) she is extremely cheery
B) she is the first in the poll
C) I don’t know if it’s pronounced “bay” or “bee” or “bah-ee”
But mainly e) her first post was quoting another post, which is suspicious.

Boom! Roasted.
I voted Bea.
I like Axe for this. The read itself is mixed up in a bunch of fluff (on Page 2 even, fluff city), but there's substance that most people skimming the thread would have looked over the first time. It's a no nonsense vote and it's super early in the game.

What is the substance?

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:15 am**

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 7:09 pm Alright, I'm here! It may take me a bit to get back into the groove of things, not that I ever had a really good groove with mafia. But, looking forward to some old-time fun!

Eloh's first post has an excuse in it.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 9:26 am
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:55 am
Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:49 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:31 am Votes should be expressed in the thread though, like this:
[VOTE: Vivax] aubergine

Let the little man whisper!
I will HAPPILY use an adverb, but it may take me a while to get used to the vote tag thing. Have patience.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 5:48 am
Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:21 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 8:37 pm Right, so Sig is obviously mafia, right?
I would say it is something to consider.

I'm not a fan of changing votes. I like to take the day to interact and observe without being hasty.

Sig says votes are changeable. I don't see how he could have known this before voting. I can only find him sus right away as his hasty vote would most likely land on a civ.
Yeah if only there were a role that explicitly stated (hey look guys, adverb. I'm multitasking!) that votes were changeable.

Maybe Eloh missed that part, though. I guess if it were an indie role or a mafia role, and Eloh were a civ and had no reason to read up on the mafia/indie sides of things, that could be it.

But if that role were not an indie or mafia role, and Eloh were a mafia or an indie and would have reason to be more focused on that side of the board, I could see a world where Eloh might forgo reading up on the civ side of things.
So, rule number 5 says the "votes are changeable. MAYBE." Then, I did read the roles including Moveable Votes, but didn't understand it. I was looking at it like a RULE and not a ROLE, probably b/c I had been in the car all day traveling. But I just had a lightbulb moment looking back at it now after a good night's sleep! So, I definitely get it now.

I no longer suspect sig atm. We shall see what's to come.

methinks the baker might be baking up some sugar-free excuses here

All the initial post told me is that Eloh didn't read the roles thoroughly before posting. What does Eloh having not reading the roles thoroughly tell you about her alignment? Hopefully this is a rhetorical question.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:23 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:19 pm In all seriousness, this Day 1 is going to be bizarre because I’m going to feel dirty eliminating a player that has made a triumphant return after a lengthy break only to be yeeted early.

I suppose I can take solace in the fact that rezz’s are in the game. But for day 1? It just feelsbadman.jpg

I guess we could always all just vote for dog lol
"yeet" and "yeeted" are not allowed in old school mafia games. Silly Scotty, yeets are for kids.

I think you mean Yeezys.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 9:29 am Y'all should know to give me a little leeway before suspecting me, especially when I've been away for so many years. Did you forget that I only married into intelligence? Though I overthink and internalize everything IRL, I'm ultimately a doer and not a thinker. That is why Epi and I mesh so well together.

I remember catching a scum Dana years ago on her first game back in ages (my first game with her, she was great). She used her time away as a crutch to excuse her inability to contribute and it just felt like she couldn't integrate herself into the thread. It could be the same thing here, but I'm happy to sit on it and let that idea progress.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 12:52 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 11:59 am
Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 9:32 am And, I'm not lying about the role thing. I didn't understand the movable votes until I reread the roles this morning after reading DH's comments. I must have more tired than I thought last night b/c everything was much clearer this morning.
That’s fair. I often overanalyze roles in my pregame analysis and make bold assumptions that can be easily disproven with the obvious information given.

I think another part of your explanation that is still not swaying me, however, is the way you’ve presented your suspicion for sig in so many words, then just as succinctly dropped your suspicion for him without offering any other reads for other players. It’s very cookie-cutter apple pie and although it doesn’t lack logical progression, it does seem to lack that extra scoop of ice cream a-la-mode
First of all, I don't remember using "so many words." Second, there was not much to go on at the time of that post. I will most likely have more reads as the day goes on. But for DAY ONE, unless someone majorly slips, any reads are kind-of a shot in the dark. If I were to make a guess, though, I imagine that day 1 mafia players act like one of the following:
a) pretty quiet (laying low)
b) kind-of silly/off-topic (distracting from gameplay), or
c) hard core readers (they obviously know who isn't a part of their own)

This is what I am looking for. So far I have my eye on Scotty for reasons of letter (b).

I get a stronger Scotty/Eloh team vibe reading Scotty's posts than the other way around. This makes me want to do a fluff count on Scotty's posts.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:50 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:12 pm
Spoiler: show
Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 4:03 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:37 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:20 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:06 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:49 pm

Could you articulate your reasoning instead of putting the onus on me to do it for you?
Begrudgingly, sure, even though it’s only 20 posts back. I could probably flesh it out more.

It’s admittedly a pretty weak scumread, but the arguments that Elo had made agreeing with the suspicion of sig based on a mechanic that she hadn’t read, then recanting her suspicion upon learning said mechanic was rather safe. It wasn’t a slam dunk by any means. But then she reacts to my read of her with a long winded explanation that mafia will have certain qualities in D1. She lists them; then, she makes, in more or less words, an OMGUS on me using one of the bullet points “silly/off-topic (distracting from gameplay)” which is objectively a terrible statement. Sure, I’m perhaps silly as much as a pumpkin spice latte in spring, but you can still DRINK a pumpkin spice latte in spring I’m making gab, advancing gameplay. Am I not?
So you're voting for Eloh because she acted on a weak suspicion, backtracked on it nearly as soon as it was called out, and offered a "whatever sticks" explanation as to her actions?

Why is that not a slam dunk? Where is this hesitation and hedging coming from? Is she doing an OMGUS to you or are you doing an OMGUS to her?
It’s not a slam dunk because D1 reads are never slam dunks. I’m like the looney tunes when the monstars suck the power away. I need reveals to better get a sense for players.

This could very well just be a player personality that I’m reading too much into.

Though I wouldn’t call this hedging. I’m currently voting there
Maybe it's not a slam dunk bc he is scared to get it wrong. Or maybe it's not a slam dunk bc he is bad and just trying to make a semblance of a baddie read on someone to make it look like he is trying. This response looks very bad to me.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:38 pm I don’t really like the whole Elo vs Scotty thing. I do feel like Elo was a little quick to jump on sig who is an easy target, but as someone who almost never thoroughly reads the rules, I can wholeheartedly understand missing something like that. And in most cases wouldn’t it be easier for a mafia Elo to just leave that mild suspicion of sig out there instead. Scotty’s suspicion also seems quick to jump on something little.
Maybe I’ll reread it after the kids are asleep
kidS! Yay! How many now and what ages?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 3:14 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 12:52 pm [I imagine that day 1 mafia players act like one of the following:
a) pretty quiet (laying low)
b) kind-of silly/off-topic (distracting from gameplay), or
c) hard core readers (they obviously know who isn't a part of their own)

This is what I am looking for. So far I have my eye on Scotty for reasons of letter (b).
What does a Day 1 town player act like?
I think that civvie behavior on day 1 is more personalized than baddie behavior. For instance, if Blooper were here and she didn't make a single post on Day 1, I would not suspect her for it. But, if Pink were here and did not post on day 1, I think that would be something to keep an eye on. Unfortunately, there are three players here that I don't think I've ever played with, so they will probably escape a vote from me today unless something extreme happens.

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 3:18 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 9:29 am Y'all should know to give me a little leeway before suspecting me, especially when I've been away for so many years. Did you forget that I only married into intelligence? Though I overthink and internalize everything IRL, I'm ultimately a doer and not a thinker. That is why Epi and I mesh so well together.

leeway
noun
1.
the amount of freedom to move or act that is available.
Do I understand coorect, you ask for a day 1 pass here?
Yes, that is correct. I am smart enough to look up the word before I post it as well If you knew me, you would know that it is classic Eloh to say five words and be suspected right out of the gate.

I am she. And I am eastern standard. 3:54pm atm.

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@Golden I never voted sig at all, btw. just talked about him in the thread. I don't like movable votes at all and I think Llama explained my thoughts on it very well, so I won't repeat.
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Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 3:33 pm @ Michelle
Judging from my perspective I don't consider others' reads except they are my town reads. Had Eloh said they town read Scotty and Golden? Because if not, why do you think they should post more and reconsider?
It left a bad impression that Eloh claimed to have found a reason to be sus on sig but went off when a few dropped opposite conclusions. Maybe I'm expecting too much from early pages but that would have made for a fine topic to ruffle some heads early on if I were them.
This really isn't that difficult folks. I misinterpreted the roles and thought no one KNEW if votes were movable or not yet. Then, I reread the roles after getting some much needed sleep and wah-la, I understood it!

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@thellama73 I don't have a civ game, remember?
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“@Golden I never voted sig at all, btw. just talked about him in the thread. I don't like movable votes at all and I think Llama explained my thoughts on it very well, so I won't repeat.”
Right, you said you weren’t one to vote early, but wholly offered that sig could be bad. That was your only read at the time. Tomato/potato.

“Maybe it's not a slam dunk bc he is scared to get it wrong. Or maybe it's not a slam dunk bc he is bad and just trying to make a semblance of a baddie read on someone to make it look like he is trying. This response looks very bad to me.”
Correct that I don’t want to get it wrong. I think I tend to struggle on correct D1 reads. But a broken clock is right twice a day, eh?

If I had edged off you, would that response have looked better? I’m just continuing to get OMGUS vibes here.

@Elohcin If you could vote someone right now, who would you vote? GTH, as they’d say
I actually felt like your response was you "edging off me", so I'm confused by the question. It's like you thought, "Shoot, I really could be wrong here so I'm going to back off and say that my theory wasn't a slam dunk," after driving it hard for so many posts. You backing off is what made me question your civ status further. You may say I did the same thing with sig (flippity-flop), but really it wouldn't be true. I made a couple comments, in a tired state, about sig being sus right before going to bed. Then, when I woke up and saw comments about it, I reread the rules and roles, had a derp moment, and backed off. I really think you just need to let that go and let us move on.

I hate GTH questions and refuse to answer them.

New read, Bea is civ bc she would know when day ends if she had BTSC.

Eloh thinks that her not reading the roles is NAI and Scotty should back off. She also thinks Scotty is bad for backing off. I want to come up with a cool metaphor like Scotty does but I can't so I'm just going to say this sounds like distancing.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:54 pm EBWOP: actually...if you really were scared you were wrong, then you'd have to be civ. It's getting close to my bedtime again. I'm useless in the evening and should not play mafia at this time. This is why I work during the first half of my day. I don't know what I think anymore.

So Eloh thinks Scotty is town? Is that where we ended?

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:16 am**

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:45 am
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:37 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:39 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:39 pm I voted bea because
A) she is extremely cheery
B) she is the first in the poll
C) I don’t know if it’s pronounced “bay” or “bee” or “bah-ee”
But mainly e) her first post was quoting another post, which is suspicious.

Boom! Roasted.
I voted Bea.
I like Axe for this. The read itself is mixed up in a bunch of fluff (on Page 2 even, fluff city), but there's substance that most people skimming the thread would have looked over the first time. It's a no nonsense vote and it's super early in the game.
What is the substance?

Scotty has a problem with bea opening with a quote.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:21 am**

I said I was going to figure out how Eloh and Scotty read independent of eachother and I've just finished my Eloh read and all I can think about is Scotty.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:24 am**

bea wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:19 pm
bea wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:15 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 6:07 pm @bea Which players in this game are/were you most familiar with in those bygone days?
1) Most experience playing with: DF, DH, Splintsy, G-man, Golden, Kate, Lorab.

2) Mid-teir: Dr. Wgy, llamaloo, quin, scotty, sug, you.

3) New to me: Michelle, Axe, Vivax.

Ebwop: sig - not sug. Apparently my phone is not a sig fan either. On the plus side - at least this one doesn't land me in divorce court like the typo of my hubby's name to "dork" does!

Your husbands name is dorp?

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:41 am**

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:16 am
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:45 am
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:37 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:39 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:39 pm I voted bea because
A) she is extremely cheery
B) she is the first in the poll
C) I don’t know if it’s pronounced “bay” or “bee” or “bah-ee”
But mainly e) her first post was quoting another post, which is suspicious.

Boom! Roasted.
I voted Bea.
I like Axe for this. The read itself is mixed up in a bunch of fluff (on Page 2 even, fluff city), but there's substance that most people skimming the thread would have looked over the first time. It's a no nonsense vote and it's super early in the game.
What is the substance?
Scotty has a problem with bea opening with a quote.

I see that about Scotty. It's not clear to me (especially given the rest of Aex's content) why Axe is voting for bea in this post. Plus, I'm pretty sure he didn't vote for bea. He just voted for Scotty.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:45 am**

I have now posted in this game, that is all. You may continue

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:49 am**

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:39 pm I voted bea because
A) she is extremely cheery
B) she is the first in the poll
C) I don’t know if it’s pronounced “bay” or “bee” or “bah-ee”
But mainly e) her first post was quoting another post, which is suspicious.

Boom! Roasted.

I appreciate that Scotty elaborated on an otherwise random vote without being prompted. But I also don't know if he believes in this quote tell. I feel like I'm hung up on this but it's just because this post keeps coming up in my ISO's and I'm like "It has to mean something!" bea pointed out that he skipped a letter too.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:42 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Sat Oct 22, 2022 11:06 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Sat Oct 22, 2022 8:44 pm I am so excited!!! Thank you guys for making this happen!!

Great opening post...good luck all
I just can’t believe this post exists AND I’m replying to it.
oop, Golden also started by quoting another post.

Ruh roh raggy

He brings it up again, although it's only in the post after so I can't say that this quote tell thing is a thing he's been specifically thinking about. If I say quote tell again I'm gonna shit pant.

There's nothing outrageous in Scotty's posts, which are very not-fluffy and of a significant amount. He's poking his head into pretty much everything. He reads a lot better if I just pretend the Eloh interactions don't exist, so I'ma leave the temmie idea at the door for now. I don't want to lynch either of them Day 1 for their own reasons (Scotty looks alright, I'm watching Eloh) so god knows who I'm voting.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:49 am**

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:22 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 4:40 pm
Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 4:14 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 4:08 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 4:05 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 3:54 pm There would be nothing more ‘classic mafia’ than DF being D1 lynched for low posting.
Hopefully they posts and we can make a read because lynching a low poster at random is a coin flip.
I would say ‘at random’ excludes meta reads. Lynching a low posting DF on day 1 feels like worse odds than a coin flip to me.
Pointing out that Finger showed inquisitiveness towards Llama (iirc) not mentioning DF while Golden is less concerned with putting the screws on DF.

Makes Golden look slightly too complacent maybe.
Fingersplints townier unless DF is mafia.

Maybe useful to go back to for pairings later.
What screws?
@Vivax i do actually want an answer to this.

It means pressuring someone. Since it's meta for DF to not post, that argument doesn't carry its old weight.

* Would like to see some more Wilgy input. The licks suggest townreads of sorts, vote was on Golden. Peculiar entrance bought Wilgy some leeway but if it's just that without updating, that alone in a room suggests that performance is the only priority.

*Eloh made a good point about Bea with the EoD awareness, but being right as scum is the easy part.

*I agree with I think G-Man that Bea's demeanor makes her a tougher lim, so no TR there.

*Quin trying to make an associative of Scotty/Eloh recently reads meh. But I suppose I tend to TR hot takes.

T: Llama, Scotty, Axe, Sloonei, Golden
Weak T: Quin

This post bothers me a bit cause there's been a few reasons to sus Eloh but I don't recall them being 'questioning and then flip flopping'. Seems like a misrep of the arguments. Role fishing looks superficial as a reason too, gut mafia read is a low poster. Sentence about Scotty/Golden is a thought more likely to come from mafia.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 5:03 pm I don’t find Elon questioning and then flip flopping as that scummy. It actually seems more likely to fit within her D1

Not a fan of Axe (I believe) role fishing about mason earlier.

DH is my gut mafia read since he’s around and posting but not really contributing yet.

Scotty/Golden are pinging me a bit for the heavy defense of me against Eloh claim it would be an easy move for mafia to make especially older mafia players who are used to me being Mislynched to get some civ points

Could use more input here too.

Posted: **Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:50 am**

Sike.

[VOTE: DharmaHelper] aubergine

He posts, yet he says nothing.

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