The Syndicate

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 2:08 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 2:05 pm One day I shall register for one of JJJ's classes, whilst also playing a game of Mafia w/ him at the same time...




"Excuse me, Doctor Jay...I notice the assigned reading is not on the syllabus?"




Jay grumbles incoherently, the smell of cheap bourbon thick in the air




*nods*





[VOTE: jjj] aubergine

This may be a metaphor too deep for me to understand. What's the suspicion?

motobot wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 2:33 pm Before anyone asks, I don't have a read on anyone so far. As far as I know anyone could be mafia.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 2:10 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 2:08 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 2:05 pm One day I shall register for one of JJJ's classes, whilst also playing a game of Mafia w/ him at the same time...




"Excuse me, Doctor Jay...I notice the assigned reading is not on the syllabus?"




Jay grumbles incoherently, the smell of cheap bourbon thick in the air




*nods*





[VOTE: jjj] aubergine

This may be a metaphor too deep for me to understand. What's the suspicion?

Oh, it's just a jest

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 5:31 am OK, I was gonna use this AM to decide where to vote, since my last list was all town/null. But instead I spent my mafia time reading weird stuff that i honestly don't understand about how I should object to people voting for people I don't town read and that my schedule makes me bad.

I have to vote now; I may or may not be back before EOD, and if before, not long before. Last day before a holiday weeked traffic here in megasuburbia gonna be hell, as will work since it's end of month right before a 4 day weekend, I doubt i will have time to sneak onto my phone.

So I'm gonna [VOTE: Thunal] aubergine not becasue i think she's bad (I really don't see bad Thunal making *this* argument, which feels straw graspy to me, like she can't find a suspicion and that was what came to mind, if she's bad, she'd come up with a better one imo) but to save myself. I'm open to changing it IF I get the chance to get back in here but I can't guarantee that.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 12:24 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 12:05 pm tap, tap, tap dancing a bit here Jay. So what if PA thinks you are performative. You do like center stage in games - that's normal for JJJ.
I also do not remember her calling you out in all games you have played together. Did you track that as a statistic? Now I am curious.

I'm not going to go digging around a hundred games, but here's an example from Ted Lasso Mafia:

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:14 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 7:03 pm Some setup notes to be aware of moving forward:

The numbers ratio established in the OP is 12 vs. 4. This is a difficult but not unmanageable arrangement for town, particularly without the benefit of public role reveals.

If the game proceeds at a normal pace (one day elimination and one night kill per cycle), town only gets three mistakes before they reach an endgame phase. Town also boasts one kill (through the Dani Rojas role), but that kill alone would not change this number. It's still three mistakes maximum, and the mafia have two manners of kill protection available to them anyway.

The only way that number changes is with multiple night kill protections and/or a protection plus a kill (I think that works out).

With that in mind, we should just operate under the assumption at present that we are only allowed to make three mistakes. That is not very many. So we are going to have to play hard as a town team to overcome that. It can be done, but it will require concerted desire from everyone to make it so. So let's do that. The best weapon town possesses in a game like this is its ability to talk during the day phase, and so talk we must. Inactivity is more damaging in this setup than it would be in other setups. Mafia already boast a considerable voting block, and we must avoid helping them by unnecessarily splitting our votes or by leaving our votes off the board. These things routinely lose games, and they are unforced errors. We can avoid them if we are conscious of it and communicate effectively.

"Stop telling me how to play, Jay."

I appreciate everyone's right to do their thing, and I hope that's exactly what you do. Play however you like! I just want to emphasize that we begin this game in a difficult position, and that will not change for the better unless we cooperate.

LAMIST:p

("LAMIST" stands for "look at me I'm so town", which is just another way of calling someone performative)

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 3:20 pm But dearest JJJ that LAMIST was tongue in cheek I even put a

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 3:21 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 3:20 pm But dearest JJJ that LAMIST was tongue in cheek I even put a

You tunneled me that entire Day 1.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 3:32 pm We killin towns we killin towns Wheeee

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 5:02 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 8:38 pm [VOTE: S~V~S] aubergine

I think I've talked myself into voting here. I've been a wagon the whole game somehow and I think SVS might be watching it happen when I think she's objected to it in the past even when she didn't townread me. Her response to my question was decent but I haven't gotten any town pings from her other solving posts.

This is a lot to walk into.

When did I object when I didn't townread you? I recall 2 games where I defended you, one where I became convinced you were town, the one where the baddie switched their vote iirc, it made me totally change my mind on you. I didn't start defending you until I changed my mind. I came in there intending to vote you until I saw what I saw. No defending there while I thought you were bad, only after I changed my mind. And I aggressively defended you in another game in which you turned out bad. So yeah, I'm wary of you. Especially after being bad with you a few times, I know what you can do, and you do it better than maybe anyone.

In THIS game, you were acting unlike how I have seen you in the past, either affiliation, so I null read you. Not sure how I got into Jays post about things you needed to address.

I am really very honestly surprised that you think I'd defend you if I wasn't sure you're not bad. If anything this statement ironically is something I can't imagine you saying if bad; you would make up something better than that if you were bad. No pockets here, but yeah.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 5:21 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 10:54 pm SVS - My real ping with her is that I don't think she'd be treating me or my wagon this way. She just saw me town it up and get Sloonei in my last game, she's said she has to try to actively find me as town to read me, and here she's just not doing that? I'd expect some comment about my voters or at least thinking it's unusual that I'm a 2 vote wagon. I feel like she doesn't care if I go over and I remember her caring that I was wagoned because she thinks highly of my town play in a past game even when she didn't townread me.

Right. And THAT'S NOT WHAT HAS BEN HAPPENING HERE. You are calling up the last game like it's a valid comparison, and it isn't. You think I'm bad becasue I'm not defending you when I've seen you town it up in the past, even if you weren't doing it here? And tbh, you still aren't except as it applies to me, lol.

I don't think it's unusual that anyone has a two vote wagon when they haven't been playing to their own exceptionally high standard.

I find my wagon more of an issue cause it's coming from someone who thinks I should be defending them when I had a null read on them, and someone who objects to the hours I keep.

As for Jay, he thinks I belong in the POE, and I guess he's right.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 3:32 pm We killin towns we killin towns Wheeee

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:18 pm Tbh, I think I see town SVS getting indignant here more than mafia SVS. You could say she's gunning for survival, sure, but the better way to do that would be to actually push someone which she isn't to me or LC. I think if she were mafia she wouldn't be able to resist throwing some shade at one or both of us.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 3:18 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 5:31 am OK, I was gonna use this AM to decide where to vote, since my last list was all town/null. But instead I spent my mafia time reading weird stuff that i honestly don't understand about how I should object to people voting for people I don't town read and that my schedule makes me bad.

I have to vote now; I may or may not be back before EOD, and if before, not long before. Last day before a holiday weeked traffic here in megasuburbia gonna be hell, as will work since it's end of month right before a 4 day weekend, I doubt i will have time to sneak onto my phone.

So I'm gonna [VOTE: Thunal] aubergine not becasue i think she's bad (I really don't see bad Thunal making *this* argument, which feels straw graspy to me, like she can't find a suspicion and that was what came to mind, if she's bad, she'd come up with a better one imo) but to save myself. I'm open to changing it IF I get the chance to get back in here but I can't guarantee that.

You v Thunal is T v T pweaseeeee vote elsewhere

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:25 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:18 pm Tbh, I think I see town SVS getting indignant here more than mafia SVS. You could say she's gunning for survival, sure, but the better way to do that would be to actually push someone which she isn't to me or LC. I think if she were mafia she wouldn't be able to resist throwing some shade at one or both of us.

I mean, behavioral analysis aside, she voted for her counterwagon into a 3-3 tie. That is explicitly about survival. That doesn't have to be mafia-indicative, but it's certainly survival-indicative.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:28 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:25 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:18 pm Tbh, I think I see town SVS getting indignant here more than mafia SVS. You could say she's gunning for survival, sure, but the better way to do that would be to actually push someone which she isn't to me or LC. I think if she were mafia she wouldn't be able to resist throwing some shade at one or both of us.

I mean, behavioral analysis aside, she voted for her counterwagon into a 3-3 tie. That is explicitly about survival. That doesn't have to be mafia-indicative, but it's certainly survival-indicative.

What I'm saying is she's playing for survival but not to the extent of making real pushes.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:29 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:28 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:25 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:18 pm Tbh, I think I see town SVS getting indignant here more than mafia SVS. You could say she's gunning for survival, sure, but the better way to do that would be to actually push someone which she isn't to me or LC. I think if she were mafia she wouldn't be able to resist throwing some shade at one or both of us.

I mean, behavioral analysis aside, she voted for her counterwagon into a 3-3 tie. That is explicitly about survival. That doesn't have to be mafia-indicative, but it's certainly survival-indicative.

What I'm saying is she's playing for survival but not to the extent of making real pushes.

I don’t think that’s towny lol

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:18 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 5:21 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 10:54 pm SVS - My real ping with her is that I don't think she'd be treating me or my wagon this way. She just saw me town it up and get Sloonei in my last game, she's said she has to try to actively find me as town to read me, and here she's just not doing that? I'd expect some comment about my voters or at least thinking it's unusual that I'm a 2 vote wagon. I feel like she doesn't care if I go over and I remember her caring that I was wagoned because she thinks highly of my town play in a past game even when she didn't townread me.

Right. And THAT'S NOT WHAT HAS BEN HAPPENING HERE. You are calling up the last game like it's a valid comparison, and it isn't. You think I'm bad becasue I'm not defending you when I've seen you town it up in the past, even if you weren't doing it here? And tbh, you still aren't except as it applies to me, lol.

I don't think it's unusual that anyone has a two vote wagon when they haven't been playing to their own exceptionally high standard.

I find my wagon more of an issue cause it's coming from someone who thinks I should be defending them when I had a null read on them, and someone who objects to the hours I keep.

As for Jay, he thinks I belong in the POE, and I guess he's right.

Tbh, I think I see town SVS getting indignant here more than mafia SVS. You could say she's gunning for survival, sure, but the better way to do that would be to actually push someone which she isn't to me or LC. I think if she were mafia she wouldn't be able to resist throwing some shade at one or both of us.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:33 pm I could vote motobot too. It’d be incredibly uninspiring, but I don’t care

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:38 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:33 pm I could vote motobot too. It’d be incredibly uninspiring, but I don’t care

Why Shouldn't You Vote For X Instead?

Maybe that's a fun game.

Why shouldn't you vote for falcon instead of motobot?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:39 pm And yes motobot is a boring vote which is why I didn't want to vote him at first. But at this point the bar for townieness is really high so I think he has an okay chance of flipping mafia.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:39 pm I get the impression S~V~S had no time to mount a push.

Even without one. Reads? Progression? Development? Impressions? Just a very thin post history relative to how it looks to the unfocused eye.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:39 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:38 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:33 pm I could vote motobot too. It’d be incredibly uninspiring, but I don’t care

Why Shouldn't You Vote For X Instead?

Maybe that's a fun game.

Why shouldn't you vote for falcon instead of motobot?

Falcon I actively townread a couple things, like his instinct to suspect me and SVS were teamed and his quick push on JJJ and me.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:40 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:39 pm And yes motobot is a boring vote which is why I didn't want to vote him at first. But at this point the bar for townieness is really high so I think he has an okay chance of flipping mafia.

I think the bar is way too LOW. Nobody here is that towny.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:38 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:33 pm I could vote motobot too. It’d be incredibly uninspiring, but I don’t care

Why Shouldn't You Vote For X Instead?

Maybe that's a fun game.

Why shouldn't you vote for falcon instead of motobot?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:44 pm I think I'm going to take JJJ, Roxy, Long Con, and Falcon as town. Which leaves Abi, Epi, SVS, and Motobot and that's narrow enough for a locked game if it's right.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:44 pm If motobot is flipped town, that’d be a good indicator that this vague half-consensus we’re coming to is not well-founded.

I N F O R M A T I O N

Shitty reason to eliminate someone, but at least I have no town read on anything of his.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:48 pm We have 12 minutes, and I won’t let this sit on a tie.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:47 pm I guess I just don't have the stamina I'm used to lol. I feel tired after 77 posts in a phase and I used to get over 150 sometimes during my really tryhard phase.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:50 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:47 pm I guess I just don't have the stamina I'm used to lol. I feel tired after 77 posts in a phase and I used to get over 150 sometimes during my really tryhard phase.

Hang in there. Finish line D1 is nigh!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:44 pm If motobot is flipped town, that’d be a good indicator that this vague half-consensus we’re coming to is not well-founded.

I N F O R M A T I O N

Shitty reason to eliminate someone, but at least I have no town read on anything of his.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:46 pmtbf I think the same goes for SVS, but I think motobot will stay in the PoE all game regardless of alignment and I can't say the same for SVS.