Hot Fuzz Mafia [GAME OVER]

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Hoping it's the easy answer

What's the easy answer in your mind?

You, obviously lol

[falcon45ca]

Hoping it's the easy answer

What's the easy answer in your mind?

You, obviously lol

I don't see how that's obvious in the least bit.



Why am I scum?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

"Who do you think the easy answer is" is just a silly question while my vote is on you lol, the answer is obvious

[Sloonei]

Answering a question I received in private:

Members of the mafia team can perform the team kill and carry out their own role ability on the same night.

[falcon45ca]

"Who do you think the easy answer is" is just a silly question while my vote is on you lol, the answer is obvious

Are ya putting any actual thought into that read? Cuz' it's like pulling teeth here to get ya to talk about it.




Imagine I am town. Who else do you have as a scum suspect?

[Porscha]

When I'm gone just flip Porscha I think.

like there is no way we are w/w when wilgy was hard trying to get me flipped over him yesterday

to me it felt like he wasn't really trying to get you flipped until i sort of forced him into it..

i mean every time he pushed on you he ended up backing off

i may need to reread some of the interactions but "witty theater" still registers.

yesterday wilgy did not back off. the wagon was like 4 on wilgy 3 on me. it was close. "when you forced him into it"? as in, when you made it clear you thought we were both wolves so wilgy tried to convince you I was in fact a wolf to get the ML on me yesterday before coming into today?

[falcon45ca]

When I'm gone just flip Porscha I think.

like there is no way we are w/w when wilgy was hard trying to get me flipped over him yesterday

to me it felt like he wasn't really trying to get you flipped until i sort of forced him into it..

i mean every time he pushed on you he ended up backing off

i may need to reread some of the interactions but "witty theater" still registers.

yesterday wilgy did not back off. the wagon was like 4 on wilgy 3 on me. it was close. "when you forced him into it"? as in, when you made it clear you thought we were both wolves so wilgy tried to convince you I was in fact a wolf to get the ML on me yesterday before coming into today?

Well, he had little choice, wouldn't you say? He made lots of soft sus on other slots as well, including Ruri & Neon

[Porscha]

When I'm gone just flip Porscha I think.

like there is no way we are w/w when wilgy was hard trying to get me flipped over him yesterday

to me it felt like he wasn't really trying to get you flipped until i sort of forced him into it..

i mean every time he pushed on you he ended up backing off

i may need to reread some of the interactions but "witty theater" still registers.

yesterday wilgy did not back off. the wagon was like 4 on wilgy 3 on me. it was close. "when you forced him into it"? as in, when you made it clear you thought we were both wolves so wilgy tried to convince you I was in fact a wolf to get the ML on me yesterday before coming into today?

Well, he had little choice, wouldn't you say? He made lots of soft sus on other slots as well, including Ruri & Neon

okay, sure, oscar thinks he forced wilgy into trying to flip me, and you think wilgy had no choice but to try and flip me. do either or both of these point to me being his wolf partner today?

[falcon45ca]

When I'm gone just flip Porscha I think.

like there is no way we are w/w when wilgy was hard trying to get me flipped over him yesterday

to me it felt like he wasn't really trying to get you flipped until i sort of forced him into it..

i mean every time he pushed on you he ended up backing off

i may need to reread some of the interactions but "witty theater" still registers.

yesterday wilgy did not back off. the wagon was like 4 on wilgy 3 on me. it was close. "when you forced him into it"? as in, when you made it clear you thought we were both wolves so wilgy tried to convince you I was in fact a wolf to get the ML on me yesterday before coming into today?

Well, he had little choice, wouldn't you say? He made lots of soft sus on other slots as well, including Ruri & Neon

okay, sure, oscar thinks he forced wilgy into trying to flip me, and you think wilgy had no choice but to try and flip me. do either or both of these point to me being his wolf partner today?

In and of themselves, no, but that's not the primary reason for sus on your slot.



Let's say you are town, talk to me about your current TRs & SRs plz

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

"Who do you think the easy answer is" is just a silly question while my vote is on you lol, the answer is obvious

Are ya putting any actual thought into that read? Cuz' it's like pulling teeth here to get ya to talk about it.




Imagine I am town. Who else do you have as a scum suspect?

Not very interested in talking to you about it lol


My imagination isn't that good

[obscurity]

When I'm gone just flip Porscha I think.

like there is no way we are w/w when wilgy was hard trying to get me flipped over him yesterday

to me it felt like he wasn't really trying to get you flipped until i sort of forced him into it..

i mean every time he pushed on you he ended up backing off

i may need to reread some of the interactions but "witty theater" still registers.

yesterday wilgy did not back off. the wagon was like 4 on wilgy 3 on me. it was close. "when you forced him into it"? as in, when you made it clear you thought we were both wolves so wilgy tried to convince you I was in fact a wolf to get the ML on me yesterday before coming into today?

Yesterday Wilgy tried to push at Neon and Ruri. I shot those both down. It was only after I encouraged him to look at you that he started going for you because he was basically out of options near EOD.

I'm not taking his yesterday hugely into account though because I believe a lot of it was anti-spew. But the day before he also pushed you then backed off when it mattered.

Anyway, like, it's obvious I suspect you, but the fact is it can only be a couple people.

Creature is town.

Neon is spewed town and has gone for Wilgy for days.

Basically to me it has to be you, Falcon, or NANOOK. Pyxxy's death points to you. NANOOK I believe is unpaired with Wilgy and Jack. Also I kind of felt like he believed his read on Wilgy. It'd be a weird W/W approach for him to be like "welp, I'm god-reading Wilgy town, but sure he can go" and his role-results and such are proven. The OP says that both sides have a mix of PRs and vanilla:

Setup
~16 Town vs. 4 Mafia
~Both teams have a mix of power roles and vanilla roles.

I think this implies that the last mafia has to be vanilla, since none of the others were, and NANOOK isn't vanilla.

So I think killing you into Falcon in any order wins the game. Falcon's been townier than you the last couple days imo.

Do you disagree with this? If it's not you or Falcon, who am I misclearing?

[Porscha]

When I'm gone just flip Porscha I think.

like there is no way we are w/w when wilgy was hard trying to get me flipped over him yesterday

to me it felt like he wasn't really trying to get you flipped until i sort of forced him into it..

i mean every time he pushed on you he ended up backing off

i may need to reread some of the interactions but "witty theater" still registers.

yesterday wilgy did not back off. the wagon was like 4 on wilgy 3 on me. it was close. "when you forced him into it"? as in, when you made it clear you thought we were both wolves so wilgy tried to convince you I was in fact a wolf to get the ML on me yesterday before coming into today?

Well, he had little choice, wouldn't you say? He made lots of soft sus on other slots as well, including Ruri & Neon

okay, sure, oscar thinks he forced wilgy into trying to flip me, and you think wilgy had no choice but to try and flip me. do either or both of these point to me being his wolf partner today?

In and of themselves, no, but that's not the primary reason for sus on your slot.



Let's say you are town, talk to me about your current TRs & SRs plz

lol then what is the primary reason? my treatment of wilgy seems to be the huge main driving factor behind this idea.

neon and creature I think are my 2 only lock towns. I think oscar is likely town, just driving the struggle bus. nook at least has PR to his claim.

you........... were spewed in some way or another by wilgy via treatment of your slot vis a vis jack. Wilgy successfully kept people off your back the past couple days every time your name came up. You weren't the fish to be frying the past couple of days, but I wasn't really on board with everyone else thinking you were just sliding by as town. I kinda think you are sliding by as wolf and the mech that nook has on you now means even less since the kill and an ability could have been done by another teammate the night nook checked you.

I'm not super confident on this, but I just see more arrows pointing towards you than anyone else right now. you even omgus'd me a little bit earlier in the game and I find this to be more AI >wolf than otherwise for you.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Biggest thing going for falcon is the track nowhere by creature, unfortunately mafia can multitask so

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Its probably not strictly optimal to kill him but the vc says he has to die so

[Porscha]

When I'm gone just flip Porscha I think.

like there is no way we are w/w when wilgy was hard trying to get me flipped over him yesterday

to me it felt like he wasn't really trying to get you flipped until i sort of forced him into it..

i mean every time he pushed on you he ended up backing off

i may need to reread some of the interactions but "witty theater" still registers.

yesterday wilgy did not back off. the wagon was like 4 on wilgy 3 on me. it was close. "when you forced him into it"? as in, when you made it clear you thought we were both wolves so wilgy tried to convince you I was in fact a wolf to get the ML on me yesterday before coming into today?

Yesterday Wilgy tried to push at Neon and Ruri. I shot those both down. It was only after I encouraged him to look at you that he started going for you because he was basically out of options near EOD.

I'm not taking his yesterday hugely into account though because I believe a lot of it was anti-spew. But the day before he also pushed you then backed off when it mattered.

Anyway, like, it's obvious I suspect you, but the fact is it can only be a couple people.

Creature is town.

Neon is spewed town and has gone for Wilgy for days.

Basically to me it has to be you, Falcon, or NANOOK. Pyxxy's death points to you. NANOOK I believe is unpaired with Wilgy and Jack. Also I kind of felt like he believed his read on Wilgy. It'd be a weird W/W approach for him to be like "welp, I'm god-reading Wilgy town, but sure he can go" and his role-results and such are proven. The OP says that both sides have a mix of PRs and vanilla:

Setup
~16 Town vs. 4 Mafia
~Both teams have a mix of power roles and vanilla roles.

I think this implies that the last mafia has to be vanilla, since none of the others were, and NANOOK isn't vanilla.

So I think killing you into Falcon in any order wins the game. Falcon's been townier than you the last couple days imo.

Do you disagree with this? If it's not you or Falcon, who am I misclearing?

I do not disagree with your logic. I don't think falcon has been townier than me the past couple days, though. He's kinda slanking and had wilgy start defending him up the ass the day after jack flipped. if wilgy won't bus, and wilgy pushed on neon, ruri, and myself yesterday, but has been defending falcon like he defended jack, then I think the obvious answer is falcon. which is probably what nook is thinking as well

[Porscha]

like if I go into wilgy's iso right now and control f falcon's name, many pages will have many posts. i'll do it for fun. "fun" zz

[Porscha]

like town falcon has infinitely more thoughts and provocation even when slanking. the falcon we have been seeing is hardly flying

[Porscha]

Conversation From the Maf Chat Probably™:

Wilgy: let's kill lucy
Porscha: okay but that will make you look really bad so i'll have to bus you
Wilgy: alright nw ill push back great theater

*day turns, Porscha tries pushing then gives up, realizes Wilgy is salvageable*: yasssssss king, now gonna save you every day and win in lylo. we'll just keep obscurity alive to keep scum siding.


FOOLS, i wasn't born yesterday

altho oscar I read this after day ended and it was very funny b/c that is likely how it would go, yeah

[Porscha]

Also food for thought.

If it is Porscha, Neon isn't a wolf I think.

Porscha's defense of Neon is either from Porscha being wrong or Porscha having TMI on the slot.

However if Porscha does have TMI on the slot and argued that Neon/Sabi was absolutely not a thing, idk why Neon is still alive outside of 'I like Neon pushing Wilgy'.

being wrong? b e i n g W R O N G?

also don't think I ever gave off the impression that I'd enjoy neon pushing you, doctor

I suppose in simpler terms, I couldv'e just said unaligned, but I wanted to provide the feeling based reasons at least. I don't think impressions need to be present for that conclusion though. Wolves like that Neon is pushing me.

I was never getting off wilgy when he said the word wrong because that is how I was caught as maf the last time I wolfed so now I'm hyper aware of it's existence

[obscurity]

I guess I am pretty torn between you and Falcon. I'll list my points on both and ISO again later. Ideally I just want this game to end today due to irl stuff

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

D3:
Lilypetal [8]: anne, falcon45ca, obscurity, Ruri, Jackofhearts2005, Neon, pyxxy, DrWilgy
Jackofhearts2005 [4]: Lilypetal, Creature, Seanzie, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
lucy [1]: Schiavetto
pyxxy [1]: RondoDimBuckle
Ruri [1]: Porscha

D4:
Jackofhearts2005 [6]: anne, Creature, Seanzie, pyxxy, Porscha, lucy
Creature [3]: DrWilgy, falcon45ca, Jackofhearts2005
lucy [2]: Schiavetto, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
falcon45ca [1]: obscurity
pyxxy [1]: Neon

D5:
anne [6]: Creature, pyxxy, Porscha, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, DrWilgy, Seanzie
NANOOK [4]: obscurity, Ruri, anne, falcon45ca
DrWilgy [2]: Neon, Schiavetto

D6:
Schiavetto [6]: Porscha, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, obscurity, Creature, Ruri
DrWilgy [3]: Schiavetto, pyxxy, Neon
Neon [2]: DrWilgy, falcon45ca

D7:
DrWilgy [4]: Ruri, Neon, obscurity, Porscha
Porscha [3]: falcon45ca, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, DrWilgy

[Porscha]

those vc's are insane b/c I couldn't believe how hard the wolves voted together if falcon is wolf and i'm not missing something drastic here

[obscurity]

That D4 actually a point in Falcon's favor to me because does the whole mafia team just pile on Creature? Like it seemed like Jack was trying to convince Falcon there

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Also food for thought.

If it is Porscha, Neon isn't a wolf I think.

Porscha's defense of Neon is either from Porscha being wrong or Porscha having TMI on the slot.

However if Porscha does have TMI on the slot and argued that Neon/Sabi was absolutely not a thing, idk why Neon is still alive outside of 'I like Neon pushing Wilgy'.

being wrong? b e i n g W R O N G?

also don't think I ever gave off the impression that I'd enjoy neon pushing you, doctor

I suppose in simpler terms, I couldv'e just said unaligned, but I wanted to provide the feeling based reasons at least. I don't think impressions need to be present for that conclusion though. Wolves like that Neon is pushing me.

I was never getting off wilgy when he said the word wrong because that is how I was caught as maf the last time I wolfed so now I'm hyper aware of it's existence

Do you think this is tmi on Neon

[Porscha]

like the creature wagon vs jack would have been 3 wolves. not a single busser

[Porscha]

Also food for thought.

If it is Porscha, Neon isn't a wolf I think.

Porscha's defense of Neon is either from Porscha being wrong or Porscha having TMI on the slot.

However if Porscha does have TMI on the slot and argued that Neon/Sabi was absolutely not a thing, idk why Neon is still alive outside of 'I like Neon pushing Wilgy'.

being wrong? b e i n g W R O N G?

also don't think I ever gave off the impression that I'd enjoy neon pushing you, doctor

I suppose in simpler terms, I couldv'e just said unaligned, but I wanted to provide the feeling based reasons at least. I don't think impressions need to be present for that conclusion though. Wolves like that Neon is pushing me.

I was never getting off wilgy when he said the word wrong because that is how I was caught as maf the last time I wolfed so now I'm hyper aware of it's existence

Do you think this is tmi on Neon

thats what everyone said about my read when I used the term "wrong" that time I was caught, so yeah I suppose so

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

That D4 actually a point in Falcon's favor to me because does the whole mafia team just pile on Creature? Like it seemed like Jack was trying to convince Falcon there

I mean wilgy and jack were willing to vote together

Was falcon around for eod?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Also food for thought.

If it is Porscha, Neon isn't a wolf I think.

Porscha's defense of Neon is either from Porscha being wrong or Porscha having TMI on the slot.

However if Porscha does have TMI on the slot and argued that Neon/Sabi was absolutely not a thing, idk why Neon is still alive outside of 'I like Neon pushing Wilgy'.

being wrong? b e i n g W R O N G?

also don't think I ever gave off the impression that I'd enjoy neon pushing you, doctor

I suppose in simpler terms, I couldv'e just said unaligned, but I wanted to provide the feeling based reasons at least. I don't think impressions need to be present for that conclusion though. Wolves like that Neon is pushing me.

I was never getting off wilgy when he said the word wrong because that is how I was caught as maf the last time I wolfed so now I'm hyper aware of it's existence

Do you think this is tmi on Neon

thats what everyone said about my read when I used the term "wrong" that time I was caught, so yeah I suppose so

So you think this tmis neon town yeah?

[obscurity]

Jesus this game start was September 29th. It's literally been over 3 weeks.

My last game that wasn't mafiascum length days (these same lengths) was less than 2 weeks and I end gamed. That setup I was a vigilante though. I feel like this game could use kill power.

I ended up abandoning mafiascum because it was too long for me.

[obscurity]

That D4 actually a point in Falcon's favor to me because does the whole mafia team just pile on Creature? Like it seemed like Jack was trying to convince Falcon there

I mean wilgy and jack were willing to vote together

Was falcon around for eod?

I think so yeah

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Anyways gamestate sort of points away from bussing, obviously its possible yesterday but, yeah, im inclined to just solve falcon, if he's town then find the busser, but I don't really want to start from the assumption of a wilgy bus yesterday when we know at least 3 members of the team were actively avoiding bussing (and given jack is one of them i think it was probably coordinated given his general tendencies)

[obscurity]

Anyways gamestate sort of points away from bussing, obviously its possible yesterday but, yeah, im inclined to just solve falcon, if he's town then find the busser, but I don't really want to start from the assumption of a wilgy bus yesterday when we know at least 3 members of the team were actively avoiding bussing (and given jack is one of them i think it was probably coordinated given his general tendencies)

My problem with Porscha is it felt like she actively pushed away from Wilgy a lot of days (including yesterday). Then just sort of resigned to it.

[falcon45ca]

Why is Nook town?

[obscurity]

I guess my biggest concern on Falcon is it has felt like the whole mafia team has protected him. Was this necessary for v!Falcon?

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME if you can I'd recommend reading the start of yesterday with some of the Wilgy/Porscha/Falcon stuff. I was trying to quote stuff but it stopped working and I'm multitasking

[Porscha]

That D4 actually a point in Falcon's favor to me because does the whole mafia team just pile on Creature? Like it seemed like Jack was trying to convince Falcon there

can you quote those posts?

[falcon45ca]

like town falcon has infinitely more thoughts and provocation even when slanking. the falcon we have been seeing is hardly flying

This is such a weird take

[obscurity]

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

At this point I'm just listening to dead people, I've listened to myself enough and it's just been wrong

Will look into where Pyxxy was looking but don't myself changing this vote

I think a Porscha wagon coming out of nowhere is poor play today.

Yeet within me or Neon today.

Also there's a vibe within Ruri's vote for me, but it's probably just Shia's flip making me want to reassess the PoE.

Those voting Porscha,

Does Porscha only look W if they are on a team with me on it? All of Porscha's reactions to me while we were bickering does not feel wolf. Porscha should be assessed, but I don't think is the first of remaining wolves we get, if we get there. I think the order of Neon > Ruri > Porscha is correct, otherwise we miss.

Oscar speaking of dead towns who had wilgy in poe. So did multiple of them also have you in poe. I have not forgotten and you should not either

Oh my quotes randomly worked.

Now I can't tell if Wilgy is like, intentionally trying to make himself look paired with Porscha.

But his whole play was kind of a refuse in audacity so hard to tell.

I'll look more closely after work and get quotes

[Porscha]

Also food for thought.

If it is Porscha, Neon isn't a wolf I think.

Porscha's defense of Neon is either from Porscha being wrong or Porscha having TMI on the slot.

However if Porscha does have TMI on the slot and argued that Neon/Sabi was absolutely not a thing, idk why Neon is still alive outside of 'I like Neon pushing Wilgy'.

being wrong? b e i n g W R O N G?

also don't think I ever gave off the impression that I'd enjoy neon pushing you, doctor

I suppose in simpler terms, I couldv'e just said unaligned, but I wanted to provide the feeling based reasons at least. I don't think impressions need to be present for that conclusion though. Wolves like that Neon is pushing me.

I was never getting off wilgy when he said the word wrong because that is how I was caught as maf the last time I wolfed so now I'm hyper aware of it's existence

Do you think this is tmi on Neon

thats what everyone said about my read when I used the term "wrong" that time I was caught, so yeah I suppose so

So you think this tmis neon town yeah?

by the logic I am pirating, stealing, downloading, using by those who found me, yes it is tmi

[Porscha]

like town falcon has infinitely more thoughts and provocation even when slanking. the falcon we have been seeing is hardly flying

This is such a weird take

it literally isn't and you know that. lol

[Porscha]

Anyways gamestate sort of points away from bussing, obviously its possible yesterday but, yeah, im inclined to just solve falcon, if he's town then find the busser, but I don't really want to start from the assumption of a wilgy bus yesterday when we know at least 3 members of the team were actively avoiding bussing (and given jack is one of them i think it was probably coordinated given his general tendencies)

My problem with Porscha is it felt like she actively pushed away from Wilgy a lot of days (including yesterday). Then just sort of resigned to it.

I didn't want to shoot my best 4 legged friend behind the shed. it was very tragic and sad

it isn't my fault wilgy charmed into getting pocketed. I never get pocketed it's wilgy's fault I will be in denial about this forever

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I guess my biggest concern on Falcon is it has felt like the whole mafia team has protected him. Was this necessary for v!Falcon?

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME if you can I'd recommend reading the start of yesterday with some of the Wilgy/Porscha/Falcon stuff. I was trying to quote stuff but it stopped working and I'm multitasking

I'm caught up lol

[obscurity]

i'll have to reread your interactions. i don't want this to be something where we flip you and you are actually town and i feel bad for not doing due diligence today/looking at that. on the surface level i just keep thinking of pyxxy's line about you "scared of flipping Wilgy" and how listening to the dead actually helped so much yesterday

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Falcon has spent 7 days voting town lol

[Porscha]

i'll have to reread your interactions. i don't want this to be something where we flip you and you are actually town and i feel bad for not doing due diligence today/looking at that. on the surface level i just keep thinking of pyxxy's line about you "scared of flipping Wilgy" and how listening to the dead actually helped so much yesterday

yeah but pyxxy was also like not poe'd by literally anyone and you know falcon was fucking have a giggle to himself knowing I gave up pushing him multiple times on the basis of being framed only to frame me via pyxxy kill

[Porscha]

i'll have to reread your interactions. i don't want this to be something where we flip you and you are actually town and i feel bad for not doing due diligence today/looking at that. on the surface level i just keep thinking of pyxxy's line about you "scared of flipping Wilgy" and how listening to the dead actually helped so much yesterday

yeah but pyxxy was also like not poe'd by literally anyone and you know falcon was fucking have a giggle to himself knowing I gave up pushing him multiple times on the basis of being framed only to frame me via pyxxy kill

fucking. I meant *wilgy not falcon

[Porscha]

Falcon has spent 7 days voting town lol

lol

[falcon45ca]

like town falcon has infinitely more thoughts and provocation even when slanking. the falcon we have been seeing is hardly flying

This is such a weird take

it literally isn't and you know that. lol

No, it's a lazy & soft read on my slot, that's trying to use my slank D2 as a springboard read on my entire game play.


How have I not had provocations? Give me some examples plz

[obscurity]

Falcon was also a wagon that never took off all game despite multiple attempts mm

[Porscha]

[VOTE: ruri] aubergine

[VOTE: wilgy] aubergine

Falc, what's in your head re Neon vs me?

1 of you 2 is Maf

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

AND YET??

Oh don't act like my votes don't change.



And if 1 of the 2 is Maf, well then there's still another Maf out there

yeah ruri or wilgy are maf

*votes porscha umprompted*

"oh dont act like my votes don't change"

>ends up voting me by eod instead of wilgy

[Porscha]

like town falcon has infinitely more thoughts and provocation even when slanking. the falcon we have been seeing is hardly flying

This is such a weird take

it literally isn't and you know that. lol

No, it's a lazy & soft read on my slot, that's trying to use my slank D2 as a springboard read on my entire game play.


How have I not had provocations? Give me some examples plz

you've been slanking like all game not just day 2 imo. this is a meta read and unless I go find games to compare them to I'm not gonna quote post all of your one-two liners where you ask half ass questions or say "hmmm" on repeat