The Syndicate

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 6:09 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:57 pm
Tangrowth wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:43 pm Busy, just here to move my vote, more later.

[VOTE: Owner] aubergine
this is mafia manifest

Hehehehe.

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 6:11 pm**

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:43 pm Quick question. What is your favorite choice of sweets to give to a date between these options?

* Cheesecake
* Dick shape lollipops
* CHOCOLATES
* Cotton Candy

Someone tell me this isn't a soft of getting fruit vendored

Which makes me wonder why guillo is voting the fruit vendor :thonk:

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 6:12 pm**

@Owner of a Lonely Heart plz claim who you sent fruit to

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 6:12 pm**

hawkataine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:07 pm Oh also I finally caught up

Thoughts on the big post I wrote about you?

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 6:13 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:11 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:43 pm Quick question. What is your favorite choice of sweets to give to a date between these options?

* Cheesecake
* Dick shape lollipops
* CHOCOLATES
* Cotton Candy
Someone tell me this isn't a soft of getting fruit vendored

Which makes me wonder why guillo is voting the fruit vendor :thonk:

I think there’d be some fruit type of option if it was related lol. Maybe “chocolate covered strawberries” or something lol. Unless the dick shaped lollipops are actually bananas

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 6:14 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:11 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:43 pm Quick question. What is your favorite choice of sweets to give to a date between these options?

* Cheesecake
* Dick shape lollipops
* CHOCOLATES
* Cotton Candy
Someone tell me this isn't a soft of getting fruit vendored

Which makes me wonder why guillo is voting the fruit vendor :thonk:

But that is candy, not fruit.

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 6:15 pm**

Is now a good time to reveal I'm a fruit vendor too and targeted guillo?

Officially I'm a gift giver, but same function. I don't get to choose what I send.

This is why I asked if roles can double up, cuz I've never seen double fruit vendor.

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 6:16 pm**

Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:15 pm Is now a good time to reveal I'm a fruit vendor too and targeted guillo?

Officially I'm a gift giver, but same function. I don't get to choose what I send.

This is why I asked if roles can double up, cuz I've never seen double fruit vendor.

What did you send me in those options?

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 6:17 pm**

Fruit vendors dont get to choose?

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 6:17 pm**

hawkataine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:07 pm
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:42 am @hawkataine hey hawk, I was trying to remember but do you just make charts as town? I'm trying to remember if you also do them as scum or not. But I also don't recall a lot of your scum games.
Sometimes I do them as scum for ez town cred but that likely wouldn't work here lol
Also I don't remember how to play scum tbh tbh

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:02 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:29 am @Owner of a Lonely Heart you're here!

Did you target JJJ?
I sent a fruit. It doesn't do much. The person I sent it to hasn't brought it up yet.
This definitely implies owner is actually caught up in which case all of my suspicions on her are valid

Sonny wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:27 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:18 am
Sonny wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:16 am Well, unless I'm not following then maybe I'm drunk too
who's maf
I'm bothered by Belzy's lack of well, Belzy, and Owner just pinged me. Still don't know what Bunny is doing.

Hawks vote timing was poor too, but I'm not sold on Made.

Have only been skimming the thread at work so am behind, getting there.
hi this sounds like you know I'm town

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:28 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 1:30 am Actually, let's just go back to [VOTE: Belzy] aubergine
You and Hawk still have scum equity.
IDGAF what you say.
this is a hilarious concept, I had two whole fights with guillo and everything (ily rly guillo)

gavial around this point is enjoying a very binary view of mafia where everyone who does what he says is town and everyone who doesn't is probs scum. Like I really don't know why he wants me dead this bad, possibly he came up with a genius plan overnight, but surely he has a strong enough grasp on mechanics to know his 'red check' is really not a red check

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:38 am If your town and you vote scum.
You’ll have a lesser chance of getting ML’ed.
Just saying.
This is to bad bunny. It's like he's trying to save her except that I'm not gonna flip scum so his world makes no sense. He's actually done a lot of post-me-flipping-scum worldbuilding which is the thing that has me thinking he is town, but also I think I remember seeing that kind of logic in the scum game he was just in on MafC.

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:46 am How much do you wanna make a bet one the players visiting Jay was some kind of after death effector but they couldn’t get their kill through due to me preventing Hawk from attacking.
This is like acknowledging that he knows JJJ was the scum NK?? Which doesn't add up because... I didn't go anywhere. So like, what world is this post referring to unless it's a slip???

Sonny wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:57 am Why not. Let's see how this sits.

[VOTE: hawkataine] aubergine
After being told gavial wasn't joking about the red check.
This isn't for reactions because you already said you liked my reaction. So how on earth is gavial's 100th post about this the one that finally tipped tha balance for you?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:23 am Why did bad bunny come to the thread and say things (barely) without so much as acknowledging the severe suspicion heaped upon her?
I mean this isn't true. Admittedly her comments were not compelling but she did acknowledge she was likely to be yeeted at some point

Going back to gavial briefly, he's super keen to come up with elaborate reasons why extra people were visiting JJJ but super not keen to come up with elaborate reasons why I might not have had the NK. Idk what this meaaaaans

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:50 pm
Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:35 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:24 pm I’m developing a new theory, would like some feedback on it:

Owner is town.
Interesting theory. What do you think of the fruit vender thing and of Owner's disappearance in the thread? Could you give some details that would back up the theory?
"Fruit vendor" is an atypical claim to make and the kind of thing that would almost certainly have to be at least somewhat tied to a real role, because it's too bizarre for someone, when pressed for a roleclaim, to blurt out "I gave someone fruit!" when there is an entire world of more common abilities available to players in mafia games.
Owner's "disappearance" can be attributed to anything. I will not provide an answer for her on that question.
Owner is probably the only person I would ever actively expect to claim fruit vendor if pressured fwiw

It is definitely a goofy kind of claim to make, and it seems like you are saying that, for Owner, the claim is NAI? It would definitely help if Owner were around to explain herself. All we can do is guess. The fact that she's not around while a huge wagon is building on her is not at all helpful. If she is town, she really needs to be here to talk to us about her odd claim.

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 6:18 pm**

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:16 pm
Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:15 pm Is now a good time to reveal I'm a fruit vendor too and targeted guillo?

Officially I'm a gift giver, but same function. I don't get to choose what I send.

This is why I asked if roles can double up, cuz I've never seen double fruit vendor.
What did you send me in those options?

I asked to send you a kitsune (username hint). Got told you'd receive a lovely gift. Took that to mean I get no choice.

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 6:18 pm**

Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:15 pm Is now a good time to reveal I'm a fruit vendor too and targeted guillo?

Officially I'm a gift giver, but same function. I don't get to choose what I send.

This is why I asked if roles can double up, cuz I've never seen double fruit vendor.

Oh cool

Yeah if there's a role that would be doubled, fruit vendor would be a good candidate. Assuming there's a watcher and or a tracker

So yeah, dunno

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 6:20 pm**

I received [an item] last night. So I would speculate that we have an abundance of gift-giving roles. I do not think I would have been Owner's target. She was more suspicious of me than not on Day 1.

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 6:20 pm**

At least I was half right about the soft lol

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 6:21 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:20 pm I received [an item] last night. So I would speculate that we have an abundance of gift-giving roles. I do not think I would have been Owner's target. She was more suspicious of me than not on Day 1.

Three gift giving roles would be delightful

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 6:21 pm**

I need owner to claim her target and what she sent

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 6:23 pm**

Yeah I suppose given the game flavour, several gift giving roles would make sense. But if Owner is telling the truth then our roles slightly differ, cuz she specified sending a fruit.

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 6:24 pm**

Also @Guillotine I'm gonna guess you received dick shaped lollipops

because dizzy is a mod and that's the exact type of harmless joke he'd pull at my expense

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 6:25 pm**

What if there are three and they're all town how funny would that be

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 6:25 pm**

More likely there's two but

Imagine the lulz

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 6:27 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:25 pm What if there are three and they're all town how funny would that be

I wouldn't even care tbh, imagine being mafia and being forced to kill the most useless PRs because they're all outed townies

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 6:27 pm**

Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:24 pm Also @Guillotine I'm gonna guess you received dick shaped lollipops

because dizzy is a mod and that's the exact type of harmless joke he'd pull at my expense

Lol no, that is what i would send if i had a choice.

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 6:29 pm**

Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:27 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:25 pm What if there are three and they're all town how funny would that be
I wouldn't even care tbh, imagine being mafia and being forced to kill the most useless PRs because they're all outed townies

God what a game

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 6:30 pm**

I feel like this is the type of role that could easily appear as each alignment in this game.

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 6:36 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:20 pm I received [an item] last night. So I would speculate that we have an abundance of gift-giving roles. I do not think I would have been Owner's target. She was more suspicious of me than not on Day 1.

Why didn't you say anything before?

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 6:39 pm**

Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:36 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:20 pm I received [an item] last night. So I would speculate that we have an abundance of gift-giving roles. I do not think I would have been Owner's target. She was more suspicious of me than not on Day 1.
Why didn't you say anything before?

There was no reason to.

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 6:40 pm**

Im guessing today's yeet could be between OWNER and Kito to find out.

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 6:42 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:39 pm
Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:36 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:20 pm I received [an item] last night. So I would speculate that we have an abundance of gift-giving roles. I do not think I would have been Owner's target. She was more suspicious of me than not on Day 1.
Why didn't you say anything before?
There was no reason to.

And there is now?

Cancel my town read on you, this timing is pretty atrocious

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 6:43 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:30 pm I feel like this is the type of role that could easily appear as each alignment in this game.

Yeah probably could

Could also be two town roles

Hard to say

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 6:44 pm**

Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:42 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:39 pm
Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:36 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:20 pm I received [an item] last night. So I would speculate that we have an abundance of gift-giving roles. I do not think I would have been Owner's target. She was more suspicious of me than not on Day 1.
Why didn't you say anything before?
There was no reason to.
And there is now?

Cancel my town read on you, this timing is pretty atrocious

I also don’t understand why now....but what’s the scum motive to wait until now?

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 6:44 pm**

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:40 pm Im guessing today's yeet could be between OWNER and Kito to find out.

I mean sure, though half my reason for scum reading owner is gone (I assumed she fake claimed, though she still could be).

Flipping one vendor doesn't prove or disprove the other, if Owner's NA can be verified then we just go back to reading her regardless of roles/claims

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 6:45 pm**

Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:42 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:39 pm
Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:36 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:20 pm I received [an item] last night. So I would speculate that we have an abundance of gift-giving roles. I do not think I would have been Owner's target. She was more suspicious of me than not on Day 1.
Why didn't you say anything before?
There was no reason to.
And there is now?

Cancel my town read on you, this timing is pretty atrocious

... Yes? We just had two people claim gift-giving roles, one of whom explicitly claimed to not send me anything and the another that I do not suspect sent me anything. I believe that I was gifted my item by a third, unclaimed gifter. I thought it would be useful to register that information for the present discussion.

Why on earth is this timing "atrocious"? What am I gaining here? What is my play if I'm dishonest? What is there to be won or lost here for me?

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 6:45 pm**

Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:42 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:39 pm
Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:36 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:20 pm I received [an item] last night. So I would speculate that we have an abundance of gift-giving roles. I do not think I would have been Owner's target. She was more suspicious of me than not on Day 1.
Why didn't you say anything before?
There was no reason to.
And there is now?

Cancel my town read on you, this timing is pretty atrocious

So what is the logic that scum!Owner sent a fruit to a teammate? What for?

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 6:45 pm**

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:44 pm
Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:42 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:39 pm
Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:36 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:20 pm I received [an item] last night. So I would speculate that we have an abundance of gift-giving roles. I do not think I would have been Owner's target. She was more suspicious of me than not on Day 1.
Why didn't you say anything before?
There was no reason to.
And there is now?

Cancel my town read on you, this timing is pretty atrocious
I also don’t understand why now....but what’s the scum motive to wait until now?

Shh I've got another stupid theory brewing, let it sit quiet while I figure out whether it means anything

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 6:46 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:11 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:43 pm Quick question. What is your favorite choice of sweets to give to a date between these options?

* Cheesecake
* Dick shape lollipops
* CHOCOLATES
* Cotton Candy
Someone tell me this isn't a soft of getting fruit vendored

Which makes me wonder why guillo is voting the fruit vendor :thonk:

Maybe he was offered fruit that he didn't like?
I would definitely go for chocolates, by the way.

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 6:46 pm**

I don't think this is a 1v1

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 6:47 pm**

Alison and Owner have not appeared in the game since Owner’s fruit claim. Out loud speculation...is there a possibility Owner gave Alison poisoned fruit and now for whatever reason they are both silenced?

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 6:48 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:42 am I don’t think we’re going to solve this game through mechanics right now.
I don’t think we need mechanics to solve the game right now.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:22 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:19 pm So, we're assuming a Factional Kill Modifier is someone who can add flavours to the nightkill? Like, make it strongman, make it janitored, make it untrackable, kind of thing? It's vague to me, but I don't know if we're assuming what it does, or if some players are sure due to experience with the term before. Is it more specific, like "this kill can get through a bulletproof vest, and this one can defeat a doctor?"
I don’t know what else “factional kill modifier” could mean.

I regret engaging with this topic. I’d like to actively avoid all mechanics discussion unless we’re certain it is pertinent. This is not pertinent.

I am generally anti-mech talk unless I think it is explicitly useful to solving an immediate problem.

There was an immediate problem in front of me and I was sitting on information which I deemed useful to the solving of that problem.

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 6:49 pm**

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:47 pm Alison and Owner have not appeared in the game since Owner’s fruit claim. Out loud speculation...is there a possibility Owner gave Alison poisoned fruit and now for whatever reason they are both silenced?

Super unlikely but I'm stealing this idea

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 6:51 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:49 pm
Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:47 pm Alison and Owner have not appeared in the game since Owner’s fruit claim. Out loud speculation...is there a possibility Owner gave Alison poisoned fruit and now for whatever reason they are both silenced?
Super unlikely but I'm stealing this idea

But owner posted today.

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 6:52 pm**

alright you're all going to hate me but yolo

I say it's possible Owner is fake claiming, and her buddy Sloonei had to claim he received something which she can later confirm, because after I claimed it made her claim disprovable if no one else steps up. This would also make alison/made/martin all town

obviously I will let this go if any of those three step up, but yeah. I did say I just vomit crack theories, they're correct occasionally

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 6:52 pm**

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:51 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:49 pm
Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:47 pm Alison and Owner have not appeared in the game since Owner’s fruit claim. Out loud speculation...is there a possibility Owner gave Alison poisoned fruit and now for whatever reason they are both silenced?
Super unlikely but I'm stealing this idea
But owner posted today.

After her fruit claim?

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 6:52 pm**

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:51 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:49 pm
Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:47 pm Alison and Owner have not appeared in the game since Owner’s fruit claim. Out loud speculation...is there a possibility Owner gave Alison poisoned fruit and now for whatever reason they are both silenced?
Super unlikely but I'm stealing this idea
But owner posted today.

Which is why its super unlikely? Like i literally said in the post you're quoting?

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 6:53 pm**

Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:52 pm alright you're all going to hate me but yolo

I say it's possible Owner is fake claiming, and her buddy Sloonei had to claim he received something which she can later confirm, because after I claimed it made her claim disprovable if no one else steps up. This would also make alison/made/martin all town

obviously I will let this go if any of those three step up, but yeah. I did say I just vomit crack theories, they're correct occasionally

Sloon is also pushing owner tho, so

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 6:53 pm**

That theory does not hold together for mech reasons too

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 6:54 pm**

Haha tin foil hats abound!

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 6:54 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:53 pm
Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:52 pm alright you're all going to hate me but yolo

I say it's possible Owner is fake claiming, and her buddy Sloonei had to claim he received something which she can later confirm, because after I claimed it made her claim disprovable if no one else steps up. This would also make alison/made/martin all town

obviously I will let this go if any of those three step up, but yeah. I did say I just vomit crack theories, they're correct occasionally
Sloon is also pushing owner tho, so

didn't he just say she was town?

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 6:55 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:53 pm That theory does not hold together for mech reasons too

then please tell me why because I don't understand mech like at all

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 6:55 pm**

I can confirm I received a morning poo

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 6:56 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:24 pm I’m developing a new theory, would like some feedback on it:

Owner is town.

@MacDougall Yup

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