The Syndicate

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:50 pm**

It is not a rock solid town read. But it is a town read.

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:50 pm**

bronana wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:48 pm "frame" kills: something that is discussed in every game

"frame" kills: also something that never happens

I don't think it's ever the sole reason for a kill

I do think it factors into kill choices often

ted was generally towny though so it may or may not have here

I otherwise don't really think marcher is wolfy so idk why you're so hell bent on resolving him over, say, OW and wilgy

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:51 pm**

Sloonei and nutella voting hands in hands at EoD and now scare me

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:51 pm**

[mention]bronana[/mention] what do you think of carotte's continued hard defense of jovian

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:52 pm**

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:51 pm Sloonei and nutella voting hands in hands at EoD and now scare me

We are definitely wolves.

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:52 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:50 pm
bronana wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:48 pm "frame" kills: something that is discussed in every game

"frame" kills: also something that never happens
I don't think it's ever the sole reason for a kill

I do think it factors into kill choices often

ted was generally towny though so it may or may not have here

I otherwise don't really think marcher is wolfy so idk why you're so hell bent on resolving him over, say, OW and wilgy

me: made posts about why marcher is wolfy for the last 96 hours or whatever, pushing them the whole way as my top suspect

villager who also strongly pushed marcher even longer than me dies

nutella: "bronana, I don't understand why you want to resolve marcher????????"

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:52 pm**

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:52 pm**

sloonei is mafia 99% of the time fmpov

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:53 pm**

bronana wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:52 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:50 pm
bronana wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:48 pm "frame" kills: something that is discussed in every game

"frame" kills: also something that never happens
I don't think it's ever the sole reason for a kill

I do think it factors into kill choices often

ted was generally towny though so it may or may not have here

I otherwise don't really think marcher is wolfy so idk why you're so hell bent on resolving him over, say, OW and wilgy
me: made posts about why marcher is wolfy for the last 96 hours or whatever, pushing them the whole way as my top suspect

villager who also strongly pushed marcher even longer than me dies

nutella: "bronana, I don't understand why you want to resolve marcher????????"

idk you also pushed ow a fair amount but you seem hesitant there and idk why

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:53 pm**

bronana wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:52 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:50 pm
bronana wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:48 pm "frame" kills: something that is discussed in every game

"frame" kills: also something that never happens
I don't think it's ever the sole reason for a kill

I do think it factors into kill choices often

ted was generally towny though so it may or may not have here

I otherwise don't really think marcher is wolfy so idk why you're so hell bent on resolving him over, say, OW and wilgy
me: made posts about why marcher is wolfy for the last 96 hours or whatever, pushing them the whole way as my top suspect

villager who also strongly pushed marcher even longer than me dies

nutella: "bronana, I don't understand why you want to resolve marcher????????"

You: "Frame kills never happen."

Also you: "Ted was killed, and that points to Marcher being a wolf."

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:54 pm**

if bronana was mafia the whole time im gonna be pretty mad

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:54 pm**

at myself mostly

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:54 pm**

yeah, marcher probably not watched then

still a wolf, though

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:55 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:52 pm sloonei is mafia 99% of the time fmpov

I'll schedule you an eye test, bud.

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:58 pm**

mac might actually be mafia, now that i think about it for exactly half of one second.

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:58 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:53 pm
bronana wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:52 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:50 pm
bronana wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:48 pm "frame" kills: something that is discussed in every game

"frame" kills: also something that never happens
I don't think it's ever the sole reason for a kill

I do think it factors into kill choices often

ted was generally towny though so it may or may not have here

I otherwise don't really think marcher is wolfy so idk why you're so hell bent on resolving him over, say, OW and wilgy
me: made posts about why marcher is wolfy for the last 96 hours or whatever, pushing them the whole way as my top suspect

villager who also strongly pushed marcher even longer than me dies

nutella: "bronana, I don't understand why you want to resolve marcher????????"
You: "Frame kills never happen."

Also you: "Ted was killed, and that points to Marcher being a wolf."

are you tmi'ng marcher is a villager?

what even is this post?

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:58 pm**

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:51 pm Sloonei and nutella voting hands in hands at EoD and now scare me

i have words and thoughts kinda swirling around about eod in general but it's a little hard to follow the sequence of actual events on reread which makes it somewhat difficult to work with

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:59 pm**

bronana wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:58 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:53 pm
bronana wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:52 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:50 pm
bronana wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:48 pm "frame" kills: something that is discussed in every game

"frame" kills: also something that never happens
I don't think it's ever the sole reason for a kill

I do think it factors into kill choices often

ted was generally towny though so it may or may not have here

I otherwise don't really think marcher is wolfy so idk why you're so hell bent on resolving him over, say, OW and wilgy
me: made posts about why marcher is wolfy for the last 96 hours or whatever, pushing them the whole way as my top suspect

villager who also strongly pushed marcher even longer than me dies

nutella: "bronana, I don't understand why you want to resolve marcher????????"
You: "Frame kills never happen."

Also you: "Ted was killed, and that points to Marcher being a wolf."
are you tmi'ng marcher is a villager? what even is this post?

It is a response to the arguments you are trying to make.

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:00 pm**

I don't think any scum team let Marcher Jovian do the night kill so I do not think there was a tracking thing
(also like I don't know about you but all of my stats are bad so eh, maybe he didn't even track anyone)

But yeah, their D2 is disappointing.

I don't understand how nutella/Sloonei (to an extent) scumread their D1 and townread them starting D2 like ???

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:01 pm**

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:00 pm I don't think any scum team let Marcher Jovian do the night kill so I do not think there was a tracking thing
(also like I don't know about you but all of my stats are bad so eh, maybe he didn't even track anyone)

But yeah, their D2 is disappointing.

I don't understand how nutella/Sloonei (to an extent) scumread their D1 and townread them starting D2 like ???

You have the last part backwards. I was disappointed in the latter half of Marcher's Day 2 but townread them otherwise.

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:03 pm**

Citation:

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:25 pm I’m not thrilled by the prospect of banishing wilgy.
I would still lean town on Marcher Jovian, though I feel like their current assessment of the game is underwhelming (I am allergic to null reads).

Let’s all talk some more about outed wolf. He’s been a suspect without there really being an in depth discussion about him at any point that I’ve noticed. I meant to ISO him earlier, but then my stomach decided to be uncooperative all day.

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:06 pm**

Are we allowed to talk about outed wolf?

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:07 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:58 pm mac might actually be mafia, now that i think about it for exactly half of one second.

mannn do you have to do this... this dance is old

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:07 pm**

bronana wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:58 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:53 pm
bronana wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:52 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:50 pm
bronana wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:48 pm "frame" kills: something that is discussed in every game

"frame" kills: also something that never happens
I don't think it's ever the sole reason for a kill

I do think it factors into kill choices often

ted was generally towny though so it may or may not have here

I otherwise don't really think marcher is wolfy so idk why you're so hell bent on resolving him over, say, OW and wilgy
me: made posts about why marcher is wolfy for the last 96 hours or whatever, pushing them the whole way as my top suspect

villager who also strongly pushed marcher even longer than me dies

nutella: "bronana, I don't understand why you want to resolve marcher????????"
You: "Frame kills never happen."

Also you: "Ted was killed, and that points to Marcher being a wolf."
are you tmi'ng marcher is a villager? what even is this post?

dunno how you got there from that bro

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:08 pm**

Lissa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:58 pm
Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:51 pm Sloonei and nutella voting hands in hands at EoD and now scare me
i have words and thoughts kinda swirling around about eod in general but it's a little hard to follow the sequence of actual events on reread which makes it somewhat difficult to work with

Yeah
Immediate thoughts are that the back and forth that happened between DrWilgy and Turnip Head in like the last 5 minutes was ehhhh but I can't word it
The "hEy why are we not voting outed wolf if it's our consensus suspect" was also ehhh

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:09 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:07 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:58 pm mac might actually be mafia, now that i think about it for exactly half of one second.
mannn do you have to do this... this dance is old

I can and would say the exact same thing to you.

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:10 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:01 pm
Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:00 pm I don't think any scum team let Marcher Jovian do the night kill so I do not think there was a tracking thing
(also like I don't know about you but all of my stats are bad so eh, maybe he didn't even track anyone)

But yeah, their D2 is disappointing.

I don't understand how nutella/Sloonei (to an extent) scumread their D1 and townread them starting D2 like ???
You have the last part backwards. I was disappointed in the latter half of Marcher's Day 2 but townread them otherwise.

hmmn okay
Still applies to nutella though

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:10 pm**

hEy why are we not voting outed wolf if it's our consensus suspect

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:10 pm**

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:08 pm
Lissa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:58 pm
Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:51 pm Sloonei and nutella voting hands in hands at EoD and now scare me
i have words and thoughts kinda swirling around about eod in general but it's a little hard to follow the sequence of actual events on reread which makes it somewhat difficult to work with
Yeah
Immediate thoughts are that the back and forth that happened between DrWilgy and Turnip Head in like the last 5 minutes was ehhhh but I can't word it
The "hEy why are we not voting outed wolf if it's our consensus suspect" was also ehhh

Why was there no discussion of outed wolf at the end of the day?

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:10 pm**

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:11 pm**

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:10 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:01 pm
Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:00 pm I don't think any scum team let Marcher Jovian do the night kill so I do not think there was a tracking thing
(also like I don't know about you but all of my stats are bad so eh, maybe he didn't even track anyone)

But yeah, their D2 is disappointing.

I don't understand how nutella/Sloonei (to an extent) scumread their D1 and townread them starting D2 like ???
You have the last part backwards. I was disappointed in the latter half of Marcher's Day 2 but townread them otherwise.
hmmn okay
Still applies to nutella though

i've waffled on them a bunch, there have been a lot of complicating factors in my read of them, you included

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:12 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:09 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:07 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:58 pm mac might actually be mafia, now that i think about it for exactly half of one second.
mannn do you have to do this... this dance is old
I can and would say the exact same thing to you.

but i read you fiiiiiirst

can you just sloonei town or something this is painful to me

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:12 pm**

hEy GuYs LeTs TaLk AbOuT oUtEd WoLf

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:12 pm**

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:10 pm [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

No
Don't
Negatory

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:14 pm**

outed wolf wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:12 pm hEy GuYs LeTs TaLk AbOuT oUtEd WoLf

Whatcha thinking about, Mr. Wolf?

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:15 pm**

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:08 pm
Lissa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:58 pm
Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:51 pm Sloonei and nutella voting hands in hands at EoD and now scare me
i have words and thoughts kinda swirling around about eod in general but it's a little hard to follow the sequence of actual events on reread which makes it somewhat difficult to work with
Yeah
Immediate thoughts are that the back and forth that happened between DrWilgy and Turnip Head in like the last 5 minutes was ehhhh but I can't word it
The "hEy why are we not voting outed wolf if it's our consensus suspect" was also ehhh

i don't really... understand why turnip ended up going over

it's really hard to parse because like

i'm not sure what the precise wagon state was at most of eod and can't really tell the progression of wagons until sort of the handful of last min inthread votes

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:15 pm**

Zack what do you think of lissa

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:15 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:10 pm
Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:08 pm
Lissa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:58 pm
Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:51 pm Sloonei and nutella voting hands in hands at EoD and now scare me
i have words and thoughts kinda swirling around about eod in general but it's a little hard to follow the sequence of actual events on reread which makes it somewhat difficult to work with
Yeah
Immediate thoughts are that the back and forth that happened between DrWilgy and Turnip Head in like the last 5 minutes was ehhhh but I can't word it
The "hEy why are we not voting outed wolf if it's our consensus suspect" was also ehhh
Why was there no discussion of outed wolf at the end of the day?

What do you mean, there was lol
(Someone named Sloonei brought the topic)

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:15 pm**

uh that was spooky timing

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:16 pm**

Lissa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:15 pm
Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:08 pm
Lissa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:58 pm
Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:51 pm Sloonei and nutella voting hands in hands at EoD and now scare me
i have words and thoughts kinda swirling around about eod in general but it's a little hard to follow the sequence of actual events on reread which makes it somewhat difficult to work with
Yeah
Immediate thoughts are that the back and forth that happened between DrWilgy and Turnip Head in like the last 5 minutes was ehhhh but I can't word it
The "hEy why are we not voting outed wolf if it's our consensus suspect" was also ehhh
i don't really... understand why turnip ended up going over

it's really hard to parse because like

i'm not sure what the precise wagon state was at most of eod and can't really tell the progression of wagons until sort of the handful of last min inthread votes

it was a very limp eod. We were sitting on two wagons (wilgy vs turnip) that no one really seemed enthusiastic about, from my perspective.

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:17 pm**

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:15 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:10 pm
Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:08 pm
Lissa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:58 pm
Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:51 pm Sloonei and nutella voting hands in hands at EoD and now scare me
i have words and thoughts kinda swirling around about eod in general but it's a little hard to follow the sequence of actual events on reread which makes it somewhat difficult to work with
Yeah
Immediate thoughts are that the back and forth that happened between DrWilgy and Turnip Head in like the last 5 minutes was ehhhh but I can't word it
The "hEy why are we not voting outed wolf if it's our consensus suspect" was also ehhh
Why was there no discussion of outed wolf at the end of the day?
What do you mean, there was lol
(Someone named Sloonei brought the topic)

Yes, sloonei brought it up. No one else touched it. Why?

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:20 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:16 pm
Lissa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:15 pm
Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:08 pm
Lissa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:58 pm
Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:51 pm Sloonei and nutella voting hands in hands at EoD and now scare me
i have words and thoughts kinda swirling around about eod in general but it's a little hard to follow the sequence of actual events on reread which makes it somewhat difficult to work with
Yeah
Immediate thoughts are that the back and forth that happened between DrWilgy and Turnip Head in like the last 5 minutes was ehhhh but I can't word it
The "hEy why are we not voting outed wolf if it's our consensus suspect" was also ehhh
i don't really... understand why turnip ended up going over

it's really hard to parse because like

i'm not sure what the precise wagon state was at most of eod and can't really tell the progression of wagons until sort of the handful of last min inthread votes
it was a very limp eod. We were sitting on two wagons (wilgy vs turnip) that no one really seemed enthusiastic about, from my perspective.

yeah i suppose so

it was a kinda strange eod

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:21 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:12 pm
Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:10 pm [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

No
Don't
Negatory

Why?

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:24 pm**

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:21 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:12 pm
Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:10 pm [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

No
Don't
Negatory
Why?

I'm town.

Let's talk about me. You've expressed concerns about me a few times, but I am unclear on what those exact concerns are.

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:24 pm**

Lissa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:15 pm
Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:08 pm
Lissa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:58 pm
Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:51 pm Sloonei and nutella voting hands in hands at EoD and now scare me
i have words and thoughts kinda swirling around about eod in general but it's a little hard to follow the sequence of actual events on reread which makes it somewhat difficult to work with
Yeah
Immediate thoughts are that the back and forth that happened between DrWilgy and Turnip Head in like the last 5 minutes was ehhhh but I can't word it
The "hEy why are we not voting outed wolf if it's our consensus suspect" was also ehhh
i don't really... understand why turnip ended up going over

it's really hard to parse because like

i'm not sure what the precise wagon state was at most of eod and can't really tell the progression of wagons until sort of the handful of last min inthread votes

What baffled me the most is nutella and Sloonei voting like hands in hands
Near the end they both switched to DrWilgy
When the thread was being doubtful of Turnip Head they both went hmmmn didn't think about that , Sloonei did switch his vote back and nutella stayed on DrWilgy but that was like really last minute so yikes

What do you think of DrWilgy not voting Turnip Head?

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:26 pm**

frankly i've been kinda putting off more firmly sorting visor because a lot of the stuff i'm more comfortable reading him on involves like

wolf flips

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:27 pm**

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:24 pm
Lissa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:15 pm
Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:08 pm
Lissa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:58 pm
Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:51 pm Sloonei and nutella voting hands in hands at EoD and now scare me
i have words and thoughts kinda swirling around about eod in general but it's a little hard to follow the sequence of actual events on reread which makes it somewhat difficult to work with
Yeah
Immediate thoughts are that the back and forth that happened between DrWilgy and Turnip Head in like the last 5 minutes was ehhhh but I can't word it
The "hEy why are we not voting outed wolf if it's our consensus suspect" was also ehhh
i don't really... understand why turnip ended up going over

it's really hard to parse because like

i'm not sure what the precise wagon state was at most of eod and can't really tell the progression of wagons until sort of the handful of last min inthread votes
What baffled me the most is nutella and Sloonei voting like hands in hands
Near the end they both switched to DrWilgy
When the thread was being doubtful of Turnip Head they both went hmmmn didn't think about that , Sloonei did switch his vote back and nutella stayed on DrWilgy but that was like really last minute so yikes

What do you think of DrWilgy not voting Turnip Head?

I never voted for wilgy.
I did switch to Turnip Head at the last minute on a whim. I had been on outed wolf for a long time prior to that.

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:28 pm**

Lissa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:26 pm frankly i've been kinda putting off more firmly sorting visor because a lot of the stuff i'm more comfortable reading him on involves like

wolf flips

tell me about zack

i have a deep paranoia that he's just powerwolfing here

but i don't really know if that's reasonable from meta or anything

thoughts?

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:32 pm**

Behold the most hypocritical sentence ever written on the internet:

This thread is too full of people just asking each other what they think about stuff and it is becoming a problem.

Posted: **Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:34 pm**

[VOTE: bronana] aubergine

He is pushing this Marcher angle too hard and not acknowledging other developments. He denies that frame kills are a thing, but uses Ted's death as ammunition to solidify his own suspicion on Marcher.

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