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You're no Shell Silverstein but I won't chop down your giving tree or whateverDennis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 10:54 pmMy bad I got youMayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 10:52 pmThis is quite possibly the worst poem I've ever read
Tutuu was doctor
She protected mac n2
Mac was not poisoned
I know for a fact tutuu protected mac n2Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 10:55 pmExplain more pls.Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 10:51 pmYesMacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 10:50 pm @Dennis are you saying that the mod feedback I got was just telling me I was protected not poisoned?
Not role fishing. Trying to clear someone.
Uh I was like this on D3 until the lawpy wagon was set in stone and you decided to start roleplaying Twice Shrunk.santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 10:55 pmAgree with this assessment of Mac on D2. Not so much on D3Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 10:54 pm Mac's energy has been decidedly pro-town since he got here. Forget who deserves credit for what. He was calm, collected, and in charge during his first couple days in the game. Today he has opened by trying to direct our attention to the other factions. I am not inclined to remove this player from the game right now. These are going well. We do not need to change course right now.
"Heard a noise" makes me think it actually blocked something.Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 10:57 pmI know for a fact tutuu protected mac n2Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 10:55 pmExplain more pls.Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 10:51 pmYesMacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 10:50 pm @Dennis are you saying that the mod feedback I got was just telling me I was protected not poisoned?
Not role fishing. Trying to clear someone.
So even if he did get poisoned, it wouldn't have gone through
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:34 am I do want to talk about Falcon. 3 votes on him, all from those unfamiliar with him ... is at a glance not filling me with much confidence. I iso'd him however and found many of his pushes to be making a big deal out of largely NAI stuff. At first I thought Zedge was wolfy for pushing Falcon but in reality ... I don't actually think Falcon is towny.
I understand a lot of those familiar with Falcon are likely to see 100+ posts on a d1 and not actually look into him but I didn't really like any of his pushes.
That being said... why the 3 Falcon voters are going ahead full steam pushing someone that nobody familiar with him is pushing also has me somewhat perplexed.
Notwithstanding the fact that the n1 kills seem largely to have come from SDN wolves. I haven't liked the content of all three of those voting Falcon.
One giant hedge to say... I kinda think Falcon is sus but I am likely the only one with a good reason so I'm probably wrong?
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:04 pm The thing is that Dennis and Falcon are probably the two syndicators that are most in their town meta. Sloonei also seems okay. The rest are off to me. Like all of the rest.
Honestly, most town post yet
We've all been thereMacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 10:57 pmMy tiny dick goes away on its own when it's cold and I have no control over it.
A fair question. If you read Seanzie's ISO you will see that he does not fit in a dyachei mafia team. He can be non Werecreature faction though. I don't have him as town. I just have him as never mafia with Dyachei.mightyrunner7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:00 pm People are saying Seanzie has gained village points (or at least is incompatabel with wolfs)
Can somebody please help me understand this read? Seanzie has been pretty much nonexistent since D1
Good job pretending to be pocketed so now they'll never know we're the last two vampires
Jeez you are incapable of making posts without them dripping with confbias are you lol.santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:01 pmMacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:34 am I do want to talk about Falcon. 3 votes on him, all from those unfamiliar with him ... is at a glance not filling me with much confidence. I iso'd him however and found many of his pushes to be making a big deal out of largely NAI stuff. At first I thought Zedge was wolfy for pushing Falcon but in reality ... I don't actually think Falcon is towny.
I understand a lot of those familiar with Falcon are likely to see 100+ posts on a d1 and not actually look into him but I didn't really like any of his pushes.
That being said... why the 3 Falcon voters are going ahead full steam pushing someone that nobody familiar with him is pushing also has me somewhat perplexed.
Notwithstanding the fact that the n1 kills seem largely to have come from SDN wolves. I haven't liked the content of all three of those voting Falcon.
One giant hedge to say... I kinda think Falcon is sus but I am likely the only one with a good reason so I'm probably wrong?MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:04 pm The thing is that Dennis and Falcon are probably the two syndicators that are most in their town meta. Sloonei also seems okay. The rest are off to me. Like all of the rest.
Did a quick reread and I'll admit that on my mind I think I may had interpreted one lf these as a falcon townread of sorts / explaining they were on town meta. But you kept them at arms lenght to yeet so saying that you tr'd them is in fact inaccurate.
You are really frustrating me right now and I wish you would actually take a deep breath, think about a world in which I am town and how annoyed I would be in that world, and then play mafia with me for a little while with that in mind.santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:02 pm No Mac, you are a different slot from tuutuu. You know me better, it isnt the same at all and Im going to call you out on it
You are trying to boast yourself or shut me down using deflective antics . So yeah I think is wolfy and makes me bias me more into my read being correctMacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 10:56 pm So Santy am I a wolf now because I'm trying to claim cred for the town victory?
Is this post also wolfy?
What about the post I am about to make in my next one. Hold up here it comes.
Who do you pair with Santy?MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:01 pm It's ironic that this "Mac is lock mafia" push from Santy started when I said "Santy isn't in my towncore anymore".
Before then Santy was chill. But because I stopped lock townreading Santy his read on me has slowly slipped all the way to outed mafia gradually.
And yet Tutuu's read was virtually the same, and they have flipped town.
Now... I dunno bout you, but if I was Santy, I'd think "well I have literal evidence that someone of pure mindset had exactly the same feeling towards me as Mac does, so his approach to me is probably fair and unbiased given that." However what we have instead is a doubling down.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:04 pmYou are really frustrating me right now and I wish you would actually take a deep breath, think about a world in which I am town and how annoyed I would be in that world, and then play mafia with me for a little while with that in mind.santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:02 pm No Mac, you are a different slot from tuutuu. You know me better, it isnt the same at all and Im going to call you out on it
Totally dismissing your solve of me is necessary when it is factually incorrect and all you are saying is that. Give me something else to work with and I'll give you the currency of respect in kind.santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:06 pmMacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:04 pmYou are really frustrating me right now and I wish you would actually take a deep breath, think about a world in which I am town and how annoyed I would be in that world, and then play mafia with me for a little while with that in mind.santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:02 pm No Mac, you are a different slot from tuutuu. You know me better, it isnt the same at all and Im going to call you out on it
Maybe you should've done the same instead of totally dismissing my solves on you and just try to shame and laugh at my reads .
This is a street that goes both ways
Do I seem rattled? This is par for the course for me. It's like my default mode.Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:05 pmWho do you pair with Santy?MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:01 pm It's ironic that this "Mac is lock mafia" push from Santy started when I said "Santy isn't in my towncore anymore".
Before then Santy was chill. But because I stopped lock townreading Santy his read on me has slowly slipped all the way to outed mafia gradually.
And yet Tutuu's read was virtually the same, and they have flipped town.
Now... I dunno bout you, but if I was Santy, I'd think "well I have literal evidence that someone of pure mindset had exactly the same feeling towards me as Mac does, so his approach to me is probably fair and unbiased given that." However what we have instead is a doubling down.
A push in the early hours of a cycle shouldn't rattle you too much.
The hubris is hurting you. Make a private shrine to your brilliance like the rest of us.
Or join the cult of Mayo. Honestly, just do that.
You can't demand respect when you are not giving it. Simple as.MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:07 pmTotally dismissing your solve of me is necessary when it is factually incorrect and all you are saying is that. Give me something else to work with and I'll give you the currency of respect in kind.santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:06 pmMacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:04 pmYou are really frustrating me right now and I wish you would actually take a deep breath, think about a world in which I am town and how annoyed I would be in that world, and then play mafia with me for a little while with that in mind.santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:02 pm No Mac, you are a different slot from tuutuu. You know me better, it isnt the same at all and Im going to call you out on it
Maybe you should've done the same instead of totally dismissing my solves on you and just try to shame and laugh at my reads .
This is a street that goes both ways
You need not ever apologise for being wrong, nor anything really. I don't want an apology. I want you to stop pushing town (me) if you are town. Being wrong doesn't frustrate me, confirmation biasing every action I make as wolfy frustrates me. Making reads that are blatant confbias when I know you haven't actually analysed what you're feeling/saying through a lens of factuality frustrates me. But frustrating me is not a sin. You're entitled to do it. My approach to you here is not one where I want you to apologise. I'm just trying to push you into reevaluating correctly by aggressively dismantling your read. Would you rather me do so more politely?santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:07 pm Like, I'm sorry if I'm wrong but I just have the feeling that you KNOW that I am town yet you are still trying to make efforts to put me as possible scum / shut me down that just pings me a lot
Well I can try. You're entitled to continue to make bad pushes on me if you like, but at a certain point it's really on you when you keep confbiasing and making progressively worse arguments.santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:09 pmYou can't demand respect when you are not giving it. Simple as.MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:07 pmTotally dismissing your solve of me is necessary when it is factually incorrect and all you are saying is that. Give me something else to work with and I'll give you the currency of respect in kind.santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:06 pmMacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:04 pmYou are really frustrating me right now and I wish you would actually take a deep breath, think about a world in which I am town and how annoyed I would be in that world, and then play mafia with me for a little while with that in mind.santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:02 pm No Mac, you are a different slot from tuutuu. You know me better, it isnt the same at all and Im going to call you out on it
Maybe you should've done the same instead of totally dismissing my solves on you and just try to shame and laugh at my reads .
This is a street that goes both ways
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:08 pmDo I seem rattled? This is par for the course for me. It's like my default mode.Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:05 pmWho do you pair with Santy?MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:01 pm It's ironic that this "Mac is lock mafia" push from Santy started when I said "Santy isn't in my towncore anymore".
Before then Santy was chill. But because I stopped lock townreading Santy his read on me has slowly slipped all the way to outed mafia gradually.
And yet Tutuu's read was virtually the same, and they have flipped town.
Now... I dunno bout you, but if I was Santy, I'd think "well I have literal evidence that someone of pure mindset had exactly the same feeling towards me as Mac does, so his approach to me is probably fair and unbiased given that." However what we have instead is a doubling down.
A push in the early hours of a cycle shouldn't rattle you too much.
The hubris is hurting you. Make a private shrine to your brilliance like the rest of us.
Or join the cult of Mayo. Honestly, just do that.
I don't pair anyone with Santy at this time. Frankly I think if he is mafia he is the last Werecreature and is confbiased on me because he thinks I must have had info to have the reads I have or something. But I actually think his play here is more likely to be town.
Can you explain how I could possibly know that you are town?santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:07 pm Like, I'm sorry if I'm wrong but I just have the feeling that you KNOW that I am town yet you are still trying to make efforts to put me as possible scum / shut me down that just pings me a lot
Is this the exchange people are using to saying that Seanzie and dyanchei/Lawpy were incompatible? This seems fairly benign and could be easily faked, especially in the context of threadsrste (giant Zenge/falcon showdown).
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:13 pmMacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:08 pmDo I seem rattled? This is par for the course for me. It's like my default mode.Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:05 pmWho do you pair with Santy?MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:01 pm It's ironic that this "Mac is lock mafia" push from Santy started when I said "Santy isn't in my towncore anymore".
Before then Santy was chill. But because I stopped lock townreading Santy his read on me has slowly slipped all the way to outed mafia gradually.
And yet Tutuu's read was virtually the same, and they have flipped town.
Now... I dunno bout you, but if I was Santy, I'd think "well I have literal evidence that someone of pure mindset had exactly the same feeling towards me as Mac does, so his approach to me is probably fair and unbiased given that." However what we have instead is a doubling down.
A push in the early hours of a cycle shouldn't rattle you too much.
The hubris is hurting you. Make a private shrine to your brilliance like the rest of us.
Or join the cult of Mayo. Honestly, just do that.
I don't pair anyone with Santy at this time. Frankly I think if he is mafia he is the last Werecreature and is confbiased on me because he thinks I must have had info to have the reads I have or something. But I actually think his play here is more likely to be town.Can you explain how I could possibly know that you are town?santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:07 pm Like, I'm sorry if I'm wrong but I just have the feeling that you KNOW that I am town yet you are still trying to make efforts to put me as possible scum / shut me down that just pings me a lot
santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:13 pm Also, I did have more reads yesterday , so idk why you try to make it look like if I was only sussing you yesterday /shrug .
Never said that.
Sure.santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:13 pm Now I agree that Dennis reveal timing probably comes from a villager and will put that aside.
I have no problem with you pushing all three of these players and started the day saying I was gonna try to kill SAR and that Mighty is no longer in my towncore. I also don't have Miranda as town however I doubt they are with SARdog. I think SARdog made posts during yesterday that revealed them to have a Werecreature mindset, particularly the way they started trying to beg off people to push non Werecreatures.santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:13 pm Still looking at Miranda which aside from being wagoned early in a kinda RVS state with no push by 2 werecreatures, havent been really towny . Or SAR / Might that sre just super sideliney.
Tho I admit that Mighty/Miranda have a boost of equity in my mind because they seem very possible partners for a powerwolfing mac
I would disagree with the first bitMacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:06 pm Nothing positive ever comes from direct accusations in forum mafia except pissing off townies when you're wrong. You aren't going to suddenly catch me slipping. If I am mafia, coming straight at me benefits me because I am very good at making people who push me sound ridiculous as either alignment. If you want to persuade people that I am mafia, prosecute my reads and reasonings on things. Criticise my play. Hold me accountable to my statements and force me to reveal my mindset.
Why did I drop you out of the towncore?santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:15 pmMacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:13 pmMacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:08 pmDo I seem rattled? This is par for the course for me. It's like my default mode.Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:05 pmWho do you pair with Santy?MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:01 pm It's ironic that this "Mac is lock mafia" push from Santy started when I said "Santy isn't in my towncore anymore".
Before then Santy was chill. But because I stopped lock townreading Santy his read on me has slowly slipped all the way to outed mafia gradually.
And yet Tutuu's read was virtually the same, and they have flipped town.
Now... I dunno bout you, but if I was Santy, I'd think "well I have literal evidence that someone of pure mindset had exactly the same feeling towards me as Mac does, so his approach to me is probably fair and unbiased given that." However what we have instead is a doubling down.
A push in the early hours of a cycle shouldn't rattle you too much.
The hubris is hurting you. Make a private shrine to your brilliance like the rest of us.
Or join the cult of Mayo. Honestly, just do that.
I don't pair anyone with Santy at this time. Frankly I think if he is mafia he is the last Werecreature and is confbiased on me because he thinks I must have had info to have the reads I have or something. But I actually think his play here is more likely to be town.Can you explain how I could possibly know that you are town?santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:07 pm Like, I'm sorry if I'm wrong but I just have the feeling that you KNOW that I am town yet you are still trying to make efforts to put me as possible scum / shut me down that just pings me a lot
Go back and read m.the previous day. Don't think you believed in your reasons to put me out of towncore and the following sus after. I felt that you reached and saw me as Villa to then forget it in a scummy way if it makes sense
Let me rephrase.Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:16 pmI would disagree with the first bitMacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:06 pm Nothing positive ever comes from direct accusations in forum mafia except pissing off townies when you're wrong. You aren't going to suddenly catch me slipping. If I am mafia, coming straight at me benefits me because I am very good at making people who push me sound ridiculous as either alignment. If you want to persuade people that I am mafia, prosecute my reads and reasonings on things. Criticise my play. Hold me accountable to my statements and force me to reveal my mindset.
We've caught two wolves through village directly accusing mafia (falcon and lawpy)
Is wolf-Mac more amenable to accusations when the push is correct?MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:18 pmLet me rephrase.Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:16 pmI would disagree with the first bitMacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:06 pm Nothing positive ever comes from direct accusations in forum mafia except pissing off townies when you're wrong. You aren't going to suddenly catch me slipping. If I am mafia, coming straight at me benefits me because I am very good at making people who push me sound ridiculous as either alignment. If you want to persuade people that I am mafia, prosecute my reads and reasonings on things. Criticise my play. Hold me accountable to my statements and force me to reveal my mindset.
We've caught two wolves through village directly accusing mafia (falcon and lawpy)
Nothing positive ever comes from continued direct accusations on Mac in forum mafia except pissing off Mac when you're wrong.
Do you think Might is a possible Werecreature?santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:13 pm Also, I did have more reads yesterday , so idk why you try to make it look like if I was only sussing you yesterday /shrug .
Now I agree that Dennis reveal timing probably comes from a villager and will put that aside.
Still looking at Miranda which aside from being wagoned early in a kinda RVS state with no push by 2 werecreatures, havent been really towny . Or SAR / Might that sre just super sideliney.
Tho I admit that Mighty/Miranda have a boost of equity in my mind because they seem very possible partners for a powerwolfing mac
Tbh yes. I just tend to become appeasey, admit how good the read is and then try to be towny to compensate.Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:21 pmIs wolf-Mac more amenable to accusations when the push is correct?MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:18 pmLet me rephrase.Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:16 pmI would disagree with the first bitMacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:06 pm Nothing positive ever comes from direct accusations in forum mafia except pissing off townies when you're wrong. You aren't going to suddenly catch me slipping. If I am mafia, coming straight at me benefits me because I am very good at making people who push me sound ridiculous as either alignment. If you want to persuade people that I am mafia, prosecute my reads and reasonings on things. Criticise my play. Hold me accountable to my statements and force me to reveal my mindset.
We've caught two wolves through village directly accusing mafia (falcon and lawpy)
Nothing positive ever comes from continued direct accusations on Mac in forum mafia except pissing off Mac when you're wrong.
No . But are they towncore material? Also noMacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:21 pmDo you think Might is a possible Werecreature?santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:13 pm Also, I did have more reads yesterday , so idk why you try to make it look like if I was only sussing you yesterday /shrug .
Now I agree that Dennis reveal timing probably comes from a villager and will put that aside.
Still looking at Miranda which aside from being wagoned early in a kinda RVS state with no push by 2 werecreatures, havent been really towny . Or SAR / Might that sre just super sideliney.
Tho I admit that Mighty/Miranda have a boost of equity in my mind because they seem very possible partners for a powerwolfing mac
1. Hard agree. Zenge made it difficult to support his falcon push. He was 100% right, but wasn't willing to engage with those who questioned him. I think it's a result of SDN, where village zenge will bite on something and not give up. Wolve zenge can try to fake it, but he'll get yeeted for it when he's wrong. TS didn't know that meta.MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:19 pm Also I think Zenge could have got Falcon over way easier and quicker if they did more than just directly tunnel Falcon and focus on nothing else.
Lawpy was going over regardless of your direct accusations. You may not recognise that, but I had already determined Lawpy to be the top wolf candidate anyway and if you reread the Day 3 start you will see that I started pushing them out of my own volition. I actually didn't even read your accusation properly until the night.
Would like to present this as evidence Marmot wasn't Werecreature.
Feels warm and safe though? Sounds like a protectionNateTheLesser wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:00 pm"Heard a noise" makes me think it actually blocked something.Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 10:57 pmI know for a fact tutuu protected mac n2Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 10:55 pmExplain more pls.Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 10:51 pmYesMacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 10:50 pm @Dennis are you saying that the mod feedback I got was just telling me I was protected not poisoned?
Not role fishing. Trying to clear someone.
So even if he did get poisoned, it wouldn't have gone through
