The Syndicate

Posted: **Thu May 03, 2018 5:54 pm**

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 5:27 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 5:22 pm actually, I don't want to be reason of a SD lynch based on an emotional post. if I have to vote Choutas to tie it up, I will.

I'm not in good shape this lynch day.
You would rather force a tie? That's the worst idea I've heard of.

There's nothing particularly wrong with a tie. If someone who is civ has 6 votes and someone who is bad has 5 votes, the civ will be lynched. If both have 6, there's a 50% chance that the baddie is lynched.

Posted: **Thu May 03, 2018 5:54 pm**

[VOTE: nova] aubergine

Calling choutas good from that appealy post alone.

Posted: **Thu May 03, 2018 5:54 pm**

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 5:54 pm My vote is open to a counter wagon.

Which?

Posted: **Thu May 03, 2018 5:55 pm**

Golden wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 5:54 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 5:27 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 5:22 pm actually, I don't want to be reason of a SD lynch based on an emotional post. if I have to vote Choutas to tie it up, I will.

I'm not in good shape this lynch day.
You would rather force a tie? That's the worst idea I've heard of.
There's nothing particularly wrong with a tie. If someone who is civ has 6 votes and someone who is bad has 5 votes, the civ will be lynched. If both have 6, there's a 50% chance that the baddie is lynched.

That also works the other way around.

Posted: **Thu May 03, 2018 5:57 pm**

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

Posted: **Thu May 03, 2018 5:57 pm**

Dunya take a clear stance on today's lynch. Putting it on a third party doesn't make you look good I tell you.

It wil make you look particularly bad if space daisy gets lynched and is town. Combining it with me being town is distancing yourself from two townie bandwagons. A clear record if you get what I mean.

Also you other guys either be vocal or look scummy.

Posted: **Thu May 03, 2018 5:57 pm**

Quin wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 5:55 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 5:54 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 5:27 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 5:22 pm actually, I don't want to be reason of a SD lynch based on an emotional post. if I have to vote Choutas to tie it up, I will.

I'm not in good shape this lynch day.
You would rather force a tie? That's the worst idea I've heard of.
There's nothing particularly wrong with a tie. If someone who is civ has 6 votes and someone who is bad has 5 votes, the civ will be lynched. If both have 6, there's a 50% chance that the baddie is lynched.
That also works the other way around.

Sure, but generally speaking you're voting for the person you think is bad to create the tie, rather than the person you think is civ. So there's nothing unciv about about creating a tie, and there's also nothing statistically negative about it (it's balanced).

Posted: **Thu May 03, 2018 5:58 pm**

Daisy, convince me you're civ.

Posted: **Thu May 03, 2018 5:58 pm**

@Golden a tie is bad because we can't hold somebody accountable. It's easier when people are responsible for what they vote and not put randomness into a factor. It doesn't help.

Posted: **Thu May 03, 2018 6:00 pm**

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 5:57 pm [VOTE: Quin] aubergine

Why?

Posted: **Thu May 03, 2018 6:01 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:00 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 5:57 pm [VOTE: Quin] aubergine
Why?

I'm afraid I don't understand the question.

Posted: **Thu May 03, 2018 6:01 pm**

Choutas wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 5:53 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 5:47 pm choutas do u have me blacklisted
I have you redlisted. Red for blood.

ok but

please tell me why ain't nothin but a heartache you voted for me

Posted: **Thu May 03, 2018 6:01 pm**

Choutas wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 5:58 pm @Golden a tie is bad because we can't hold somebody accountable. It's easier when people are responsible for what they vote and not put randomness into a factor. It doesn't help.

What are you on about? How does it reduce accountability? If anything it increases it.

No-one should abdicate responsbility for their vote just to create a tie, if that's what you mean. I'm not advocating the artificial creation of a tie. I'm just explaining why it is not 'the worst idea'. Tie avoidance is fundamentally anti-town, because it means people aren't voting who they want to. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that deliberately avoiding ties means you can't hold people accountable.

Posted: **Thu May 03, 2018 6:02 pm**

Golden wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:01 pm
Choutas wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 5:58 pm @Golden a tie is bad because we can't hold somebody accountable. It's easier when people are responsible for what they vote and not put randomness into a factor. It doesn't help.
What are you on about? How does it reduce accountability? If anything it increases it.

No-one should abdicate responsbility for their vote just to create a tie, if that's what you mean. I'm not advocating the artificial creation of a tie. I'm just explaining why it is not 'the worst idea'. Tie avoidance is fundamentally anti-town, because it means people aren't voting who they want to. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that deliberately avoiding ties means you can't hold people accountable.

Why are you arguing game mechanics with Choutas right now

Posted: **Thu May 03, 2018 6:03 pm**

has spacedaisy ever advocated for her own lynch as a civ? [mention]anyone[/mention]

Posted: **Thu May 03, 2018 6:07 pm**

It's near end of day, Spaicedaisy was around. She didn't defend herself. I find that unhelpful tbh.

Choutas was around, he offered some passionate words.

I would have preferred Luna, but I honestly don't have the time to swing it now.

Posted: **Thu May 03, 2018 6:09 pm**

Choutas wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 5:57 pm Dunya take a clear stance on today's lynch. Putting it on a third party doesn't make you look good I tell you.

It wil make you look particularly bad if space daisy gets lynched and is town. Combining it with me being town is distancing yourself from two townie bandwagons. A clear record if you get what I mean.

I honestly don't give a shit about what makes me look good and what makes me look bad. I am town. I'm going to do what I feel like at the moment.

Posted: **Thu May 03, 2018 6:11 pm**

I'd say Choutas' emotional appeal reasoned better with me overall. I felt guilty. When that happens, it means something.

Posted: **Thu May 03, 2018 6:12 pm**

Golden wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:01 pm
Choutas wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 5:58 pm @Golden a tie is bad because we can't hold somebody accountable. It's easier when people are responsible for what they vote and not put randomness into a factor. It doesn't help.
What are you on about? How does it reduce accountability? If anything it increases it.

No-one should abdicate responsbility for their vote just to create a tie, if that's what you mean. I'm not advocating the artificial creation of a tie. I'm just explaining why it is not 'the worst idea'. Tie avoidance is fundamentally anti-town, because it means people aren't voting who they want to. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that deliberately avoiding ties means you can't hold people accountable.

Lynches should be town's general consensus of the scummiest looking player. The most suspicious of them all. Throwing luck in it would get a less suspicious looking player even by one percent in the same fate as the most looking one. That's not even the case most of the times. It's usually a really suspicious player and another guy who rubbed some players off for lesser reasons, bandwagons are usually formed and the prime suspect is bundled with another player who is much less suspicious a die is cast and then town hopes they got the lynch right which has less than 50% if you ask me.

Posted: **Thu May 03, 2018 6:12 pm**

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:01 pm
Choutas wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 5:53 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 5:47 pm choutas do u have me blacklisted
I have you redlisted. Red for blood.
ok but

please tell me why ain't nothin but a heartache you voted for me

I don't like how you dress.

Posted: **Thu May 03, 2018 6:14 pm**

Tbh all those parked votes look bad.
It would be amazing if she is indeed scum since I think it's next level impossible scum would park their vote on another scum player for so long especially since I had good chances of getting lynched.

Posted: **Thu May 03, 2018 6:15 pm**

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:01 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:00 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 5:57 pm [VOTE: Quin] aubergine
Why?
I'm afraid I don't understand the question.

Why are you voting for Quin right now, Turnip Head?

Posted: **Thu May 03, 2018 6:16 pm**

I feel like there's more of a chance Spacedaisy's emotional plea was a scum ploy a la her performance in Fiddler that we were linked to, despite her claims, than Choutas'. I can't see Choutas using emotional self-vote manipulation to get to me. Also, I don't see any Daisy input. Marmot claimed to see some, but I didn't on my last iso. Overall, I'm happy with a Daisy lynch result today imo.

Posted: **Thu May 03, 2018 6:16 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:15 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:01 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:00 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 5:57 pm [VOTE: Quin] aubergine
Why?
I'm afraid I don't understand the question.
Why are you voting for Quin right now, Turnip Head?

Because I'm afraid this lynch is a wash tbh

Posted: **Thu May 03, 2018 6:17 pm**

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:15 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:01 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:00 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 5:57 pm [VOTE: Quin] aubergine
Why?
I'm afraid I don't understand the question.
Why are you voting for Quin right now, Turnip Head?
Because I'm afraid this lynch is a wash tbh

Is Quin a better option?

Posted: **Thu May 03, 2018 6:18 pm**

Choutas wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:14 pm Tbh all those parked votes look bad.
It would be amazing if she is indeed scum since I think it's next level impossible scum would park their vote on another scum player for so long especially since I had good chances of getting lynched.

I once again am not sure what you’re talking about.

Posted: **Thu May 03, 2018 6:19 pm**

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 4:10 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 4:04 pm Choutas has self-voted
what does that tell you?

I hate it when people self-vote. it's like a guilt trip.

+1

Posted: **Thu May 03, 2018 6:20 pm**

What do we all think of scotty? I haven’t given him much thought but there was a little bit of talk about him today that didn’t get off the ground.

Posted: **Thu May 03, 2018 6:20 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:17 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:15 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:01 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:00 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 5:57 pm [VOTE: Quin] aubergine
Why?
I'm afraid I don't understand the question.
Why are you voting for Quin right now, Turnip Head?
Because I'm afraid this lynch is a wash tbh
Is Quin a better option?

Go away sloonei

Posted: **Thu May 03, 2018 6:21 pm**

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:15 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:01 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:00 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 5:57 pm [VOTE: Quin] aubergine
Why?
I'm afraid I don't understand the question.
Why are you voting for Quin right now, Turnip Head?
Because I'm afraid this lynch is a wash tbh

OK you don't want to lynch me, you don't want to lynch spacedaisy.
I won't ask you why do you vote for Quin, I'd rather hear why me or daisy are not good candidates.
To me it looks like a scum who knows both are town and distances himself.

Posted: **Thu May 03, 2018 6:21 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:17 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:15 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:01 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:00 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 5:57 pm [VOTE: Quin] aubergine
Why?
I'm afraid I don't understand the question.
Why are you voting for Quin right now, Turnip Head?
Because I'm afraid this lynch is a wash tbh
Is Quin a better option?

NO

Posted: **Thu May 03, 2018 6:22 pm**

Choutas wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:21 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:15 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:01 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:00 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 5:57 pm [VOTE: Quin] aubergine
Why?
I'm afraid I don't understand the question.
Why are you voting for Quin right now, Turnip Head?
Because I'm afraid this lynch is a wash tbh
OK you don't want to lynch me, you don't want to lynch spacedaisy.
I won't ask you why do you vote for Quin, I'd rather hear why me or daisy are not good candidates.
To me it looks like a scum who knows both are town and distances himself.

Read my posts some time

Posted: **Thu May 03, 2018 6:22 pm**

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:20 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:17 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:15 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:01 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:00 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 5:57 pm [VOTE: Quin] aubergine
Why?
I'm afraid I don't understand the question.
Why are you voting for Quin right now, Turnip Head?
Because I'm afraid this lynch is a wash tbh
Is Quin a better option?
Go away sloonei

Posted: **Thu May 03, 2018 6:23 pm**

I currently think that Spacedaisy is still the best lynch, partially because she hasn't done anything to diminish that notion.

Novaselinever and Choutas both have.

Posted: **Thu May 03, 2018 6:24 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:20 pm What do we all think of scotty? I haven’t given him much thought but there was a little bit of talk about him today that didn’t get off the ground.

I suspect him for Day 1 stuff.

Posted: **Thu May 03, 2018 6:24 pm**

Quin wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 5:54 pm [VOTE: nova] aubergine

Calling choutas good from that appealy post alone.

Did you read my whole case about how linking nova and Colin is kinda silly?

Posted: **Thu May 03, 2018 6:24 pm**

So daisy has 22 posts and she is the prime candidate?
Somebody explained, link me the case or something I don't see it.

Posted: **Thu May 03, 2018 6:25 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:20 pm What do we all think of scotty? I haven’t given him much thought but there was a little bit of talk about him today that didn’t get off the ground.

The way he backed off nova was a good look to me

Posted: **Thu May 03, 2018 6:25 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:24 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:20 pm What do we all think of scotty? I haven’t given him much thought but there was a little bit of talk about him today that didn’t get off the ground.
I suspect him for Day 1 stuff.

Tell me about this Day 1 stuff.

Posted: **Thu May 03, 2018 6:25 pm**

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:24 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 5:54 pm [VOTE: nova] aubergine

Calling choutas good from that appealy post alone.
Did you read my whole case about how linking nova and Colin is kinda silly?

No. I'm also leaving in negative six minutes so I don't have time for it.

Taking you at your word, what do I do, bobby?

Posted: **Thu May 03, 2018 6:28 pm**

Quin wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:25 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:24 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 5:54 pm [VOTE: nova] aubergine

Calling choutas good from that appealy post alone.
Did you read my whole case about how linking nova and Colin is kinda silly?
No. I'm also leaving in negative six minutes so I don't have time for it.

Taking you at your word, what do I do, bobby?

Vote daisy, Choutas, or Luna is my rec

Posted: **Thu May 03, 2018 6:29 pm**

choutas seems like he's part of the wilgy archetype, is this correct/accurate?

Posted: **Thu May 03, 2018 6:29 pm**

Choutas wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:24 pm So daisy has 22 posts and she is the prime candidate?
Somebody explained, link me the case or something I don't see it.

Here's a couple morsels for you.

sig was lynched Day 1 with 53 posts. He was civilian
Long Con was lynched Day 3 with 220 posts. He was civilian.
Colin was lynched Day 2 with 27 posts. He was mafia. He also had a low post count.

Here's a couple reasons I suspect Spacedaisy.

Spoiler: show

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 9:29 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 9:00 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 8:55 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 8:52 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 8:38 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 8:26 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 7:55 pm

Nope. And I probably won't. Don't let that keep you from voting me if you feel like I'm bad. I mean I can be a pretty crafty baddie. But I'm not about to hide behind inactivity, fwiw. My lack of activity is just because of outside stuffs. If you find me bad, vote me. Don't let my shitty time management keep you from it.
Oh, don't worry, it's won't keep me from voting you.

I'm even more inclined to do so after this post tbh tbf. I don't like it at all.
Tell me whyyy
I don't like how she's taunting me and inviting me to for her " if I think she's bad ". All I did was ask her if she caught up and I feel like she's overreacting and the post doesn't feel genuine at all.
I don’t read that post in a taunting tone. I just see it as her being relatively disengaged with the game.
None of this alignment i dicative to me.
Don't you think it is a bit of an overreaction to a simple " Did you catch up yet ? " ?

Actually...

Who thinks Daisy's throwing herself under the bus for nova? That's a feeling that just occured to me after reading the above posts from nova.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 9:31 pm Aside from a Happy Birthday post, this is nova's first mention of Spacedaisy, about an hour or so after Daisy did state she was working on a catchup.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 7:19 pm @Spacedaisy Did you catch up ?
And then Daisy telling us to lynch her because of inactivity? This set of events seems a bit odd to me.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 9:35 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 7:55 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 7:19 pm @Spacedaisy Did you catch up ?
Nope. And I probably won't. Don't let that keep you from voting me if you feel like I'm bad. I mean I can be a pretty crafty baddie. But I'm not about to hide behind inactivity, fwiw. My lack of activity is just because of outside stuffs. If you find me bad, vote me. Don't let my shitty time management keep you from it.
nova had expressed no suspiction of Spacedaisy when this post was made.

It smells fishy to me.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 10:15 am I also read some previous Spacedaisy games. Novaselinever made a good point.

In Mafia of Unfortunate Events Spacedaisy fell behind for real life issues, but made a concentrated effort when she was around, and gave a long explanation of why she wasn't around. She was civilian here.

In Fiddler on the Roof Mafia, Spacedaisy was her, and she did specificallyrequest to be lynched. This was in an Endgame scenario where Spacedaisy was the only mafia left, but the pressure on her had been building, and supatown Mac was already ready to lynch her.

This game aligns more with Spacedaisy from Fiddler on the Roof. The exception here is that the pressure wasn't there. Spacedaisy's response to nova was much less provoked. Nova only asked if she had caught up on the game thread, no one (that I recall) was pushing for Spacedaisy's lynch.

Posted: **Thu May 03, 2018 6:29 pm**

Sorry all, my time and energy just has not been in this game apparently. It's been busy AF. I'll see what I can do now.

Posted: **Thu May 03, 2018 6:29 pm**

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:28 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:25 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:24 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 5:54 pm [VOTE: nova] aubergine

Calling choutas good from that appealy post alone.
Did you read my whole case about how linking nova and Colin is kinda silly?
No. I'm also leaving in negative six minutes so I don't have time for it.

Taking you at your word, what do I do, bobby?
Vote daisy, Choutas, or Luna is my rec

I have no thoughts on Daisy.

[VOTE: daisy] aubergine

Toodles.

Posted: **Thu May 03, 2018 6:30 pm**

Uh, why are we lynching Daisy?

Posted: **Thu May 03, 2018 6:30 pm**

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:28 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:25 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:24 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 5:54 pm [VOTE: nova] aubergine

Calling choutas good from that appealy post alone.
Did you read my whole case about how linking nova and Colin is kinda silly?
No. I'm also leaving in negative six minutes so I don't have time for it.

Taking you at your word, what do I do, bobby?
Vote daisy, Choutas, or Luna is my rec

I mean I think Choutas is town but I'm not trying to make all your reads for you

Posted: **Thu May 03, 2018 6:31 pm**

Marmot, reading your thing now. Can you explain more about why you find Daisy's response to nova suspect?

Posted: **Thu May 03, 2018 6:32 pm**

So we're lynching her because she's a lurker and doesn't give a fuck about this game, basically?

Yeah, I don't think I see anything alignment indicative. If anything I'd guess Daisy would be more invested in this game if bad. Not feeling it.

Posted: **Thu May 03, 2018 6:33 pm**

I know I haven't been around, so this is hypocritical of me probably, but this seems pretty weaksauce. We have a confirmed scum flip. Have any of you all dug anything out of interactive analyses?

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