Cartomancy [Game Over]

[DrWilgy]

Congratulations, Wilgy. You’ve been reverse poed back into the town.

Wild that the entry of other wolfy elements has done the same to you on my list.

Sabi/SPF/Sig's and maybe even Berefts responses to mechanics just feels icky

Like, I know they aren't all wolves right? Unless that implies the wolf team to be Mac, SPF, Creature, Sig, Sabi/Bereft?

[robyn]

i think it's fucking barbaric to invoke the logic that i don't understand mechanics, that's literally gaslighting and taking my influence away, quite literally the most wolfy thing that can happen

and i'd like to say again that sabi is outed

How am I outted? You had a post before the shenanigans saying stuff that doesn't match your current info. I wanted clarification if this was legit or not because we can't make mistakes.

So kindly bugger off.

you haven't read much at all and you spontaneously use that, i simply don't believe you are town and it's a strong read because of your posturing against me

[Creature]

Shit I don't know what happened

[robyn]

i'd also like to remind people that we've had 2 mafia controlled nk's and none were mac/spf lol

[Creature]

I'm still not wolf

[robyn]

I'm still not wolf

read back from daystart

[Creature]

I'm still not wolf

read back from daystart

What?

[Sabiplz]

i think it's fucking barbaric to invoke the logic that i don't understand mechanics, that's literally gaslighting and taking my influence away, quite literally the most wolfy thing that can happen

and i'd like to say again that sabi is outed

How am I outted? You had a post before the shenanigans saying stuff that doesn't match your current info. I wanted clarification if this was legit or not because we can't make mistakes.

So kindly bugger off.

you haven't read much at all and you spontaneously use that, i simply don't believe you are town and it's a strong read because of your posturing against me

Or you're just upset I said you are an egotistical player who over values people opinion on your skillset

[Bereft]

DESCRIBE THE PLAY/POST NOT THE PERSON

SRSLY

[Creature]

i actually think we should just turbo creature again today if im being honest

I actually think we should not

[Sabiplz]

i'd also like to remind people that we've had 2 mafia controlled nk's and none were mac/spf lol

One was Rondo who was ic and universally tr

Other was sean who pushed wolf creature

What is your point?

[Creature]

if you cant figure out that im town after creature "flipped" mafia then i dont know how to play this game anymore

but I am not mafia

[robyn]

i think it's fucking barbaric to invoke the logic that i don't understand mechanics, that's literally gaslighting and taking my influence away, quite literally the most wolfy thing that can happen

and i'd like to say again that sabi is outed

How am I outted? You had a post before the shenanigans saying stuff that doesn't match your current info. I wanted clarification if this was legit or not because we can't make mistakes.

So kindly bugger off.

you haven't read much at all and you spontaneously use that, i simply don't believe you are town and it's a strong read because of your posturing against me

Or you're just upset I said you are an egotistical player who over values people opinion on your skillset

but why exactly is that an argument against me understanding mechanics?
why is this the first argument that you use?
do you think i'm a logically enough mafia player to play optimally in these scenarios?
why do you doubt me and my explanations?
summarize what i've said and explain how i'm mechanically being egotistical, otherwise i will refute your arguments on lack of merit

[Creature]

We should turbo Creature again. Hard agree.

Kills wagonomics but who cares.

No we shouldn't

[Creature]

Was there mechanically a way fro creature not to be yeeted and not being the Zealot?

yes, there's this card called judgement

I see. This would do as well.

So Creature was either Absolved or is Zealot.

Seanzie flipping T seems to indicate that they were likely knowing to the Creature != Zealot then.

The judge is a good judge

[Creature]

the oracle is both confirmed town and has mechanical info that the rest of the lobby does not that

we have to follow my order of operations, or we lose, there are mechanics in play which make it so

i can pretty much chain 3 mafia

Wait are we this close to losing?

[Bereft]

We should turbo Creature again. Hard agree.

Kills wagonomics but who cares.

No we shouldn't

You're supposed to be arguing why you are town even though you just got saved from the chop, and no one is (probably) going to allude to the idea that they caused it.

[Creature]

We should turbo Creature again. Hard agree.

Kills wagonomics but who cares.

Fair.

I don't want to waste a day esp since this game doesn't have hammers.

We know he's outted.

Bad news for ya

[sig]

Lucy didn't you say your powers didn't work or an I misremembering

there's no way you're town after saying this, thanks for the wolf claim

however no, i was able to use my ability on every night

Not wolf but thanks for trying. I'm trying to get clarity of what's going on

This cracked me up

[Dennis]

Okay as much as I appreciate comic relief Creature coming in despite being bad I think I'm gonna evacuate this thread and come back and look at the ruins of whatever massive argument will come from Sabi v Lucy cuz I'm not particularly interested in seeing this happen on a Friday night

See you later nerds

[sig]

the oracle is both confirmed town and has mechanical info that the rest of the lobby does not that

we have to follow my order of operations, or we lose, there are mechanics in play which make it so

i can pretty much chain 3 mafia

Wait are we this close to losing?

If you’re town yes if you’re mafia no

[Creature]

the oracle is both confirmed town and has mechanical info that the rest of the lobby does not that

we have to follow my order of operations, or we lose, there are mechanics in play which make it so

i can pretty much chain 3 mafia

Sure thing then.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Is there a possible sequence order you can provide? Or does the if/then/else of that require us to just survive lylo?

mac->spf->creature->one in porscha/sig->x

Yes?

[sig]

13 total so 8 to 5 right now with 1 survivor style civ.

Mis vote + night lile is 6 to 5

We’ve got two phases left

[Creature]

Was there mechanically a way fro creature not to be yeeted and not being the Zealot?

yes, there's this card called judgement

I see. This would do as well.

So Creature was either Absolved or is Zealot.

Seanzie flipping T seems to indicate that they were likely knowing to the Creature != Zealot then.

How would seanzie know that though

He saw my green shining balls

[robyn]

the oracle is both confirmed town and has mechanical info that the rest of the lobby does not that

we have to follow my order of operations, or we lose, there are mechanics in play which make it so

i can pretty much chain 3 mafia

Sure thing then.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Is there a possible sequence order you can provide? Or does the if/then/else of that require us to just survive lylo?

mac->spf->creature->one in porscha/sig->x

Yes?

u can live now that sabi spewed u town

[Creature]

We’ve got to vote off tuutuu or Wilgy today both have shown themselves as being pretty clear mafia.

If Lucy names one of the three Chained player who everyone agrees is scummy I’d be willing to vote that wau, but I’m not blindly following an IC who frankly hasn’t been right all game

i'm 50% that you're mafia lol

Cool

[Creature]

i'd like to repeat that creature was not zealot

and that every town has to vote with me in my order, or we lose, and mafia knows i know the landmines

Is there a losing order?

[Sabiplz]

the oracle is both confirmed town and has mechanical info that the rest of the lobby does not that

we have to follow my order of operations, or we lose, there are mechanics in play which make it so

i can pretty much chain 3 mafia

Sure thing then.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Is there a possible sequence order you can provide? Or does the if/then/else of that require us to just survive lylo?

mac->spf->creature->one in porscha/sig->x

Yes?

u can live now that sabi spewed u town

This is the supposed town leader calling outted wolf town.

Anyway I am not wasting my night on this.

You can see how well lucy is reading this game as evident by this. Post.

[VOTE: Creature ] aubergine

[sig]

I 100% think mafia is spreading chaos and have been this entire game. I think they’ve been using Lucy/Allison posts to assist in that and I think since this day has started it’s clear people are just flooding the thread with nonesense

Which don’t get me wrong it’s super fun I’m enjoying it buuuuut it isn’t helpful.

Tuutuu
Wilgy
Jack
Creature
Sabie?/bereft

These are the 5

Mac making it to end game or this far is meaningless when he hasn’t caught a single mafia member and isn’t super engaged + as sabie pointed out (major civ points there) we haven’t had many planned night kills we’ve got multiple protection and a suicide bomber card as well. It makes sense for mafia to target civ people who aren’t going to get protected.

[Creature]

Was there mechanically a way fro creature not to be yeeted and not being the Zealot?

yes, there's this card called judgement

I see. This would do as well.

So Creature was either Absolved or is Zealot.

Seanzie flipping T seems to indicate that they were likely knowing to the Creature != Zealot then.

How would seanzie know that though

Perhaps Death or the Chariot? Idk, mechanics aren't my strong suit.

The only mechanic that could’ve spared creature is judgment or whatever the card is.

If Sean was 100% set that Creature was zealot I bet he had that said card.

Maybe he didn’t but occum razor here says that Creature is the Zealot.

This is the most likely scenario. I was a failed counter wagon that the wolves abandoned when the steam started to run out so they jumped back onto creature who’s the zealot since it resulted in no flips

Sean said he'd bet his life the Creature wasn't the Zealot yesterday.

Did I miss something or is this just nonsense?

He technically died but was right in the end

[Creature]

the oracle is both confirmed town and has mechanical info that the rest of the lobby does not that

we have to follow my order of operations, or we lose, there are mechanics in play which make it so

i can pretty much chain 3 mafia

Sure thing then.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Is there a possible sequence order you can provide? Or does the if/then/else of that require us to just survive lylo?

mac->spf->creature->one in porscha/sig->x

So both Mac and SPF? Is this entirely based on Seanzie dying?

Yes

[sig]

i'd like to repeat that creature was not zealot

and that every town has to vote with me in my order, or we lose, and mafia knows i know the landmines

Is there a losing order?

This is why following her makes no sense.

There’s no loosing order and she isn’t even confident on her reads.

I’ve gone from solid mafia to maybe to solid to 50%. That isn’t someone we should be following at this point in the games

[Creature]

Was there mechanically a way fro creature not to be yeeted and not being the Zealot?

yes, there's this card called judgement

Oh yeah probably this.

Kinda want to yeet creature again lol

Kinda don't want to

[robyn]

sabi/sig/mac/spf/x

[Bereft]

Sig, we get it, you're zealot.

[sig]

Sig, we get it, you're zealot.

Nah I wish

[Creature]

Judgement card can be only played once.

i theoretically know who played it

Who?

[Creature]

I just think Jack is outted.

JACK WHO FORCED THE WAGONS ON TO CREATURE AND KILLED ANY WAGON ON ANYONE ELSE.

GODDAMN IT JACK

[sig]

sabi/sig/mac/spf/x

Every phase and shit even in this phase you’ve switched your mafia team around and demanded people vote your way. Maybe that worked on your home site or on MU, but like you aren’t going to get good results here using that strategy.

If anything you’re laying the PERFECT cover for mafia right now to just blindly vote, take no blame, and move on. Which is exactly what happened from you and TuuTuu being so gung oh to follow Allison and causing the roxy flip.

[Creature]

JAck why are your posts always so off

What are you talking about? I’m town leader and lead the first wolf yeet yesterday.

Lucy is basically claiming red peeks on Mac AND SPF and Tuutu’s play yesterday was wolfy af.

I’m not pulling this stuff out of my butt.

Cool

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

[robyn]

Judgement card can be only played once.

i theoretically know who played it

Who?

i'm no longer allowed to talk about my ability lol, just closely read the read

[Creature]

I want to believe SPF is still town because my heart says so but I’m already deeply uncomfortable with how close we are to infodumping (possibly already over the line) so I can’t really ask Lucy to clarify.

Should become Jackofspades2005

[Creature]

You know what no I'm done following what other people say this game because look where that got us

Mac/spf = t/t

Spicy

[robyn]

Judgement card can be only played once.

i theoretically know who played it

Who?

i'm no longer allowed to talk about my ability lol, just closely read the read

thread, okay, i'm strongly believing jack/wigly are town, most likely creature too

[Creature]

It would be kinda appropriate for Daisy to put us out of our misery for infodumping.

Can she?

[Creature]

I don't think Mac is wolf.

Shame

[Creature]

I don't know how anyone can trust lucy after all of this jeepers man

She is the most lucyd

[robyn]

lucy is top 5 town players in this list and her word should be trusted. Whether you want to blindly sheep her or not is up to you but if people go around saying that lucy is a bad player and shouldn't be trusted they are mafia. This is a big reason why Roxy is scummy that people are overlooking.

very relevant post for our situation

[Creature]

If townies could stop throwing fits about how the oracle is making shit up, that would be great. Because there are more than 5 players being insanely wolfy right now.

Who?

[Creature]

I'm so done.

Just turbo Creature.

Why would you want to do this?