Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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If you could start a viable wagon somewhere else, where would it be?Golden wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:05 pmMy vibe on iawy is that he’s town, but I’d vote for him before cape, but I ain’t gonna further there risk of a tie.
Anyone who thinks we are w/w is wolfy tbh it’s just a basic terrible take.
Sloonei would be a pretty cool shot, especially if he's mafia.Alison wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:09 pm Mechanically I still would prefer to use my gun on a zero poster for reasons I've alluded to earlier so if you really feel strongly about not shooting Golden in the event of a Cape mafia flip then I guess it's not the end of the world
eh maybe I just shoot a 0 poster and we can talk about Golden tomorrow
I think guillotine should be viable which is why I’m thereMarmot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:09 pmIf you could start a viable wagon somewhere else, where would it be?Golden wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:05 pmMy vibe on iawy is that he’s town, but I’d vote for him before cape, but I ain’t gonna further there risk of a tie.
"I would never be so obvious as wolf" after blatantly defending a mafia is not a take I have ever given credence to.
I had a thought about this. Does it imply that the ratio of Mafia is smaller than usual? And the rest of the bad actors are 3p?S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:24 pmMy HS French is obvs woefully inadequate; earlier in a post I translated your name as Little Fish, when it is very clearly Little Chicken. Sorry bout that.
Just got back from groceries.
Has anyone been able to adequately answer my question, why is Dennis suspicious?
What is the case on IAWY? Is there one or is it just "He's sketch"?
I see we have a tie.
TIES ARE DECIDED BY THE MAFIA. It's in the rules! Plz don't do this.
We should look on people forcing ties with disfavor.
It's a weird rule I've never heard of before, I guess Nanook hates ties.
Mostly from the two posts just now where he admitted he can see where I'm coming from a bit. He came into the conversation holding strong to a cape tr and yet is open to my perspective. It feels more real, like town Golden evaluating, or possibly the world where he was mafia defending town cape and potentially pivoting to justifying a vote there later, but don't think he'd do that based on what I posted if they were teammates.
The ties thing? Nah, that's just a Nook staple.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:11 pmI had a thought about this. Does it imply that the ratio of Mafia is smaller than usual? And the rest of the bad actors are 3p?S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:24 pmMy HS French is obvs woefully inadequate; earlier in a post I translated your name as Little Fish, when it is very clearly Little Chicken. Sorry bout that.
Just got back from groceries.
Has anyone been able to adequately answer my question, why is Dennis suspicious?
What is the case on IAWY? Is there one or is it just "He's sketch"?
I see we have a tie.
TIES ARE DECIDED BY THE MAFIA. It's in the rules! Plz don't do this.
We should look on people forcing ties with disfavor.
It's a weird rule I've never heard of before, I guess Nanook hates ties.
oknutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:12 pmMostly from the two posts just now where he admitted he can see where I'm coming from a bit. He came into the conversation holding strong to a cape tr and yet is open to my perspective. It feels more real, like town Golden evaluating, or possibly the world where he was mafia defending town cape and potentially pivoting to justifying a vote there later, but don't think he'd do that based on what I posted if they were teammates.
Then who? Make the joke now I am taking it seriouslyUrist wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:36 pmI mean... Realistically it's HIGHLY unlikely that everyone there is town but y'know lolLe petit poussin wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:34 pmagreed, that's what I was saying with my "feel good wagon"
I cannot overstate this enough.Alison wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:11 pm"I would never be so obvious as wolf" after blatantly defending a mafia is not a take I have ever given credence to.
Radishes would be a good shot if cape flips maf, due to cape parking his vote there instead of on a person voting for him. Radishes is also not voting for cape.Alison wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:09 pm Mechanically I still would prefer to use my gun on a zero poster for reasons I've alluded to earlier so if you really feel strongly about not shooting Golden in the event of a Cape mafia flip then I guess it's not the end of the world
eh maybe I just shoot a 0 poster and we can talk about Golden tomorrow
Huh? No it's literally just a standard nanook rule he does it every game he hostsRondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:11 pmI had a thought about this. Does it imply that the ratio of Mafia is smaller than usual? And the rest of the bad actors are 3p?S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:24 pmMy HS French is obvs woefully inadequate; earlier in a post I translated your name as Little Fish, when it is very clearly Little Chicken. Sorry bout that.
Just got back from groceries.
Has anyone been able to adequately answer my question, why is Dennis suspicious?
What is the case on IAWY? Is there one or is it just "He's sketch"?
I see we have a tie.
TIES ARE DECIDED BY THE MAFIA. It's in the rules! Plz don't do this.
We should look on people forcing ties with disfavor.
It's a weird rule I've never heard of before, I guess Nanook hates ties.
help?
Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:13 pm So I’m on page 68 but I see that I am almost top wagon. Can someone in the present @ me with the reasons why and also if I should just skip the next 10 pages?
Also, imagine dying d1 lmao
Also, [VOTE: Cape90] aubergine shameless self-pres without question because I am not dying today
Also, something from page 68 that I find interesting is how people are starting to pile heat onto Cape, Scotty and myself - but guess who’s not a wagon? Consolidation into two targets, on D1, out of three or more, basically gives free reign to the mafia to direct those targets towards townies and not mafia because we’re ignorant and don’t know anything so why would we know any better?
@Inawordyes Tis my reason. Plus my notes literally says "The more words, the worse"Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:03 pmThis section doesn't track to me. IAWY reads HK as scummy but thinks is -EV for Guillo to tunnel HK, but "forgives" Guillo for being a tunnelled towny.Inawordyes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:04 pmScotty prob town based on initial Nutella OMGUS, I think Cape is town, I want you to be townLe petit poussin wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:56 pmsure bronana. He even told you I towntold already. But what are your reads?
brb
I think HK is unironically scummy because he’s ignoring me, I think Guillo’s reasons for thunderdoming HK are bad and -EV to hang up all his focus into it (though I understand the underlying meta reasoning) but I think Guillo is more likely at this stage to just be tunneled townie rather than scummy for the push
I want Nutella to be town but her posts are coming across very weird in a way that didn’t happen in the NPC game when she was town (her severe disinterest in playing because she got pulled in after initially being an NPC aside as it was also the same for me just in the mafia side. and she still became a top tier townie by her death as far as the thread was concerned). Precisely because of the parenthesis I’m hesitant to fully push into it, also I don’t want the point to be missed as just “oh, Iawy is OMGUS’ing Nutella’s vote on them” either, but it’s a thought that I have
I don’t expressly have a read on Sabi yet, but I keep coming back to them as a slot of note that I feel like I should be townreading, but at the same time I am holding myself back from committing to that read. I don’t know why my brain works this way to be able to give an explanation for either read
I am gonna make the Party Crashers love me whether they want to or not
Yeah I had that thought. It’s worded as if there was one mafia. So either it’s a big team, or there’s several 3P. Or both.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:11 pmI had a thought about this. Does it imply that the ratio of Mafia is smaller than usual? And the rest of the bad actors are 3p?S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:24 pmMy HS French is obvs woefully inadequate; earlier in a post I translated your name as Little Fish, when it is very clearly Little Chicken. Sorry bout that.
Just got back from groceries.
Has anyone been able to adequately answer my question, why is Dennis suspicious?
What is the case on IAWY? Is there one or is it just "He's sketch"?
I see we have a tie.
TIES ARE DECIDED BY THE MAFIA. It's in the rules! Plz don't do this.
We should look on people forcing ties with disfavor.
It's a weird rule I've never heard of before, I guess Nanook hates ties.
This feel weird to anyone else? Cape you're bad. Vote Dennis?? I admit I am skimmingDyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:40 pmI see you have misgivings with my read on you and the progression. There wasn't much of a progression to be had, as my read on you wasn't strong or based in much in the first place. So when someone (PLL I think) directed me to some posts they didn't like, I looked back and agreed. In the games I've played with you, you've been obv town and read as such. This is not the case here. Your later posts seems a bit scrambling, not to be rude. And I don't know if it's AI for you. I'm not voting you, and right now I think it's probably better to give you another chance.
All in all, I'm likely to look for other people's conviction and follow them on D1. It's a convenient way to free myself from guilt and decisions.
What about it?Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:59 pmnice "just my opinion" at the endDyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:15 pmI'm fine with Lucy too, or not too worried.Alison wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:10 pmI saw your town core post. nut and mich are fine candidates. Urist's insistence that Rondo is Rask's partner if Rask flips scum didn't vibe with me but the rest of his posting has been fine - I historically have scumread Urist's posting regardless of alignment so it's probably a good sign that I've found him unobjectionable apart from that since it means he's townier than usual.
I would add lucy to the town core. Rask is fine but not towncore worthy. Cape is kinda sus but only a couple people seem interested at all in looking at him so I might vote there in a bit.
I think Party Crasher has been townie on play but I kinda think their role is more likely to be mafia given the context. I am awful at hostreading though so they're probably just town
Do you have thoughts on any of Ender or IAWY?
I think Golden is town. Him reacting negatively to your pushing and voting you basically out of annoyance is town rather than wolf for him imo. And I think his read on Kate is just a strong read based on familiarity. Just my opinion
I don't know why, but this vibes wrong to me. Seems like Scotty should have something more at this point.
Info yeet Not to be that gay, but this is why I'm ok with a Dennis chop. I've seen people be confident Dennis is mafia and town. His posts are reading awkward to me in general, and most of them are self focused. GTH I'd guess wolf tbh, but I'm also not too worried if he is wolf, no shade.
This seems weird. It's basically complaining about info and then not really doing anything about it.
My temptation to shoot Golden is increasing againGolden wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:13 pmI cannot overstate this enough.Alison wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:11 pm"I would never be so obvious as wolf" after blatantly defending a mafia is not a take I have ever given credence to.
I literally don’t give a fuck what credence you give to me, Alison. You can learn the hard way. Shoot me on day 2 if you want.
ur momRondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:13 pmThen who? Make the joke now I am taking it seriouslyUrist wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:36 pmI mean... Realistically it's HIGHLY unlikely that everyone there is town but y'know lolLe petit poussin wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:34 pmagreed, that's what I was saying with my "feel good wagon"
Not even close to what I said, Rondobicklebulb.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:16 pmThis feel weird to anyone else? Cape you're bad. Vote Dennis?? I admit I am skimming
I believe this self-meta IAWY described, but also I don't feel like he's actually offering anything in his ISO that people would describe him as "naturally distrust me when I’m telling the truth", so in that sense I don't think he falls into that self-described meta. Even the hot take he posted in P#1726 isn't really a hot take, in that HK falls on the shortlist of players that is often chopped Day 1, and sussing him isn't out of the ordinary. If IAWY is a wolf, HK is probably town.Inawordyes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:04 pmI’ll throw out the obvious towncase on me, one that you should be well-aware of by this pointMacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:04 am Creature
Dennis
ender
golden
iawy
sig
now humouring viable towncases on the above slots
The fact that people think I’m mafia on D1 makes me town. You know as well as I do that I am hyper-aware on D1 of how people come across, and I specifically look for people who are blending and know how to be active and engaged enough to beat the filter. I can’t think of a single scumrand game I’ve played in the last 1-2 years where I was scumread D1 by the majority of the players who expressed reads on me
I don’t really care to look town as town because I know I’m town and I will express myself honestly (which people just naturally distrust me when I’m telling the truth, go figure), so my meta has basically become that if you think I’m town on D1, I’m probably mafia, and if you think I’m mafia on D1, I’m probably town
ahemParty Crasher wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:12 pm my reads (tutuu)
not ordered and im not tryharding just to note
112
golden
ilario
dizzy
falcon
hollowkatt
le petit
neon
nutella
cape
dennis
guillo
kate
sabi
ender
lily
michelle
porscha
pyxxy
svs
scotty
seanzie
sig
sloonei
tsp
urist
wilgy
creature
alison
mac
radish
rondo
inawy
I don't understand the last point, are you suggesting that Scotty should also be a wagon, or be a wagon instead of someone else?Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:13 pm So I’m on page 68 but I see that I am almost top wagon. Can someone in the present @ me with the reasons why and also if I should just skip the next 10 pages?
Also, imagine dying d1 lmao
Also, [VOTE: Cape90] aubergine shameless self-pres without question because I am not dying today
Also, something from page 68 that I find interesting is how people are starting to pile heat onto Cape, Scotty and myself - but guess who’s not a wagon? Consolidation into two targets, on D1, out of three or more, basically gives free reign to the mafia to direct those targets towards townies and not mafia because we’re ignorant and don’t know anything so why would we know any better?
I don’t give a fuck how people read me. I give a fuck how good peoples analysis is, because wolves don’t analyse good.
ok i get the first two, still dont really get the ilario takeParty Crasher wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:17 pm112 is doing the solo agent thing
golden sassy (instead of sussy wussy)
ilario sassy wassy
-tutuu
How dadv?Alison wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:06 pmDADV is a terrible readsig wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:05 pmSee I’m not a fan of that logic given we just had the move into Cape. You’ve gotta assume a handful of mafia are around just avoiding the two/three big wagons, they’re bussing for credit, or they’re just literally busy with real life and not around.Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:02 pm Imo this is town town by the absolute chill in thread
Dz
If we have a sudden wave of players in the last like 15-20 minutes freaking out we’re likely hitting mafia, but the lack of freak out doesn’t mean anything especially for day 1 and especially for a day 1 of this size
Here's some analysis for you. Wolves want to defend their buddies. So, if someone flips wolf, the wolves are usually the people defending them.
to be fair the other time ive seen him wagoned d1 (champs) he was town, and the times ive seen him wolf he went pretty deep/trusted, so the self meta does check outMarmot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:18 pmI believe this self-meta IAWY described, but also I don't feel like he's actually offering anything in his ISO that people would describe him as "naturally distrust me when I’m telling the truth", so in that sense I don't think he falls into that self-described meta. Even the hot take he posted in P#1726 isn't really a hot take, in that HK falls on the shortlist of players that is often chopped Day 1, and sussing him isn't out of the ordinary. If IAWY is a wolf, HK is probably town.Inawordyes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:04 pmI’ll throw out the obvious towncase on me, one that you should be well-aware of by this pointMacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:04 am Creature
Dennis
ender
golden
iawy
sig
now humouring viable towncases on the above slots
The fact that people think I’m mafia on D1 makes me town. You know as well as I do that I am hyper-aware on D1 of how people come across, and I specifically look for people who are blending and know how to be active and engaged enough to beat the filter. I can’t think of a single scumrand game I’ve played in the last 1-2 years where I was scumread D1 by the majority of the players who expressed reads on me
I don’t really care to look town as town because I know I’m town and I will express myself honestly (which people just naturally distrust me when I’m telling the truth, go figure), so my meta has basically become that if you think I’m town on D1, I’m probably mafia, and if you think I’m mafia on D1, I’m probably town
I can see IAWY being overwhelmed-by-content town, but I don't even think that's AI.
What's your read on Scotty @Inawordyes, I know you expressed some disappointment in him earlier based on his vote for you, but I don't remember what you concluded.Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:21 pmI don't understand the last point, are you suggesting that Scotty should also be a wagon, or be a wagon instead of someone else?Inawordyes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:13 pm So I’m on page 68 but I see that I am almost top wagon. Can someone in the present @ me with the reasons why and also if I should just skip the next 10 pages?
Also, imagine dying d1 lmao
Also, [VOTE: Cape90] aubergine shameless self-pres without question because I am not dying today
Also, something from page 68 that I find interesting is how people are starting to pile heat onto Cape, Scotty and myself - but guess who’s not a wagon? Consolidation into two targets, on D1, out of three or more, basically gives free reign to the mafia to direct those targets towards townies and not mafia because we’re ignorant and don’t know anything so why would we know any better?
didya see these posts?
I think I remember a game 2 years ago (maybe MU 2021 champ setup test game?) where he was kindof a consensus sr and did flip maf. So not sure it means anything but felt like mentionning it (correct me if I am wrong there Iawy).Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:18 pmI believe this self-meta IAWY described, but also I don't feel like he's actually offering anything in his ISO that people would describe him as "naturally distrust me when I’m telling the truth", so in that sense I don't think he falls into that self-described meta. Even the hot take he posted in P#1726 isn't really a hot take, in that HK falls on the shortlist of players that is often chopped Day 1, and sussing him isn't out of the ordinary. If IAWY is a wolf, HK is probably town.Inawordyes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:04 pmI’ll throw out the obvious towncase on me, one that you should be well-aware of by this pointMacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:04 am Creature
Dennis
ender
golden
iawy
sig
now humouring viable towncases on the above slots
The fact that people think I’m mafia on D1 makes me town. You know as well as I do that I am hyper-aware on D1 of how people come across, and I specifically look for people who are blending and know how to be active and engaged enough to beat the filter. I can’t think of a single scumrand game I’ve played in the last 1-2 years where I was scumread D1 by the majority of the players who expressed reads on me
I don’t really care to look town as town because I know I’m town and I will express myself honestly (which people just naturally distrust me when I’m telling the truth, go figure), so my meta has basically become that if you think I’m town on D1, I’m probably mafia, and if you think I’m mafia on D1, I’m probably town
I can see IAWY being overwhelmed-by-content town, but I don't even think that's AI.
Talk about me to me and all the other baddiesParty Crasher wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:12 pm my reads (tutuu)
not ordered and im not tryharding just to note
112
golden
ilario
dizzy
falcon
hollowkatt
le petit
neon
nutella
cape
dennis
guillo
kate
sabi
ender
lily
michelle
porscha
pyxxy
svs
scotty
seanzie
sig
sloonei
tsp
urist
wilgy
creature
alison
mac
radish
rondo
inawy
This is shithouse. One of the single worst day one elims I e ever seen. If cape isn’t town here I’ll eat a whole wardrobe full of hats.