The Syndicate

Posted: **Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:27 pm**

It's not like I need you to agree with the case anyway.

Posted: **Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:29 pm**

Convince me then. It's not nonsensical analysis, I've seen it happen time and time again. Maybe you did it here, maybe you didn't. It's the scummiest thing I've seen in the combined thread, so I voted for it. You saying "This is dumb" does not change my mind.

[Mention]S~V~S[/mention] I have other reasons to town read you which outweigh any scumminess your distancing had. I don't have those reasons for inh.

Posted: **Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:48 pm**

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:53 am
Quin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 1:11 am What I'm trying to say is that if anybody on our side sabotaged the challenge, their only real motivation for that would be that there's a higher chance of scum being sent over from the other tribe than ours. So if Sloonei (or a top townie over there) flip bad, we can look back at this event.

This is all assuming they have BTSC to coordinate this, which I don't see why they wouldn't.
Long Con and nutella did the challenge. Both were bad.

Are you an Evil Even, Sloonei?

For anyone who hasn't looked back at the selection process that sent me over to Pikachu after the challenge, it was over in ~10 minutes and I was not present for it. I had no say in who was chosen, it just happened to be me.
I think Marmot also completed one of the puzzles for us.

Posted: **Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:53 pm**

You guys are jumping on INH like the Dunk Squad, jesus

I can assume then that would have been the reaction if anyone else who wasn’t already voting Wilgy jumped on too?

Posted: **Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:53 pm**

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:53 pm You guys are jumping on INH like the Dunk Squad, jesus

I can assume then that would have been the reaction if anyone else who wasn’t already voting Wilgy jumped on too?

which team do you think boomslang is on?

Posted: **Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:59 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:53 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:53 pm You guys are jumping on INH like the Dunk Squad, jesus

I can assume then that would have been the reaction if anyone else who wasn’t already voting Wilgy jumped on too?
which team do you think boomslang is on?

Are you saying in a hypothetical if he was mafia which team? Because he doesn’t look bad to me based on what he’s just posted

Posted: **Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:01 pm**

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:53 pm You guys are jumping on INH like the Dunk Squad, jesus

I can assume then that would have been the reaction if anyone else who wasn’t already voting Wilgy jumped on too?

If they voted for Wilgy while saying they thought he was town, maybe

Posted: **Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:03 pm**

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:01 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:53 pm You guys are jumping on INH like the Dunk Squad, jesus

I can assume then that would have been the reaction if anyone else who wasn’t already voting Wilgy jumped on too?
If they voted for Wilgy while saying they thought he was town, maybe

That is a weird thing. But discounting that in this instance

Just how I read things made it look like that was a side point as opposed to being a center point

Posted: **Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:08 pm**

[mention]insertnamehere[/mention] Id still like to know why Boomslang is one of your top Civ reads.

INH’s response to people voting for him is on par to how he acted when he got heat in like day 3 and when jack determined he should be the top lynch candidate after his first death. I think that frustration genuine, and choose not to judge him for it.

This Boomslang nonsense however is making my buttcrack itch

Posted: **Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:12 pm**

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:59 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:53 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:53 pm You guys are jumping on INH like the Dunk Squad, jesus

I can assume then that would have been the reaction if anyone else who wasn’t already voting Wilgy jumped on too?
which team do you think boomslang is on?
Are you saying in a hypothetical if he was mafia which team? Because he doesn’t look bad to me based on what he’s just posted

I thought you were sig.

Posted: **Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:21 pm**

I don't see a vote from you anywhere, sprit. You've only got a few minutes. who's it gonna be?

it totally matters.

Posted: **Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:30 pm**

There was another flash. Suddenly everyone found themselves at Cerberus beach. The reunions that followed mostly happened in montage form with touching music playing in the background. There were tears.

"I told you we needed a DJ" said sloonei, satisfied with the culmination of his musical work out here on the island.

Dharmahelper whipped out his small pencil.

He wanted to start a diary of his experiences on the island. "DAY ONE", he wrote, and then thought for a while. "This is the day on which I solved everything" he wrote "it has been nice havinga holiday on the beach since then."

Out of the corner of his eye, he noticed speedchuck walking along the beach. He threw his small pencil at speedchuck, hoping that by some lucky fluke it might impale him and he would be vindicated in all things. However, the pencil just vanished before it reached speedchuck - almost as if speedchuck couldn't be targeted at all.

Speedchuck continued his walk down the beach, heading towards the wreckage of the train. He hadn't shaved in a while, and was really beginning to feel the need. He rummaged around in the first class bathroom, and found a razor. He wasn't familiar with the brand name. He looked at his reflection in the razor. "Boy, this reflection does make me look bad" he said.

After shaving, speedchuck went back out on to the beach. He noticed Quin and insertnamehere were in a heated argument.

DDL also noticed the argument, and he could overhear them talking about golden and juliets. Quin and insertnamehere seemed to be arguing about whether or not they were fair people. DDL already knew the answer.

"Look, I can't speak for juliets" said DDL "but I know for certain that golden is quite unbalanced. But scrupulously fair. And your argument is distracting us from what is important here."

"Me" said sloonei.

"No" said Kylemii "Obviously DDL means the identity of Sprityo's killer. Which is obviously Wilgy, because look, he's trying to swim away from the island. As though he's ever going to get away that way,
doesn't he know you always just end up back on the island again?"

Epignosis saw something in the sand. "Whose small pencil is this?" he asked.

Day 9 has ended. DrWilgy has been lynched. He was:

33: the voice of Epignosis (Vocaroo). Each night, you may target a player who will be requested (but not required) to sing exactly one on topic post on Vocaroo (at least ten seconds in length). The first person to reply to that post is marked for death until another Vocaroo post is made. At any time, you may choose to kill the player who is currently marked for death, and after that point your power will cease. You may target yourself, but may not target the same player on consecutive days.

It is now night 9. It will last for 24 hours, meaning you have 22 hours to get your PMs in

Posted: **Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:31 pm**

MUTINY FOR THREE

There is now the opportunity for three players to mutiny. What will happen if there is a mutiny, you ask? Well, I tell you...

Here are the rules of the mutiny for three.

1) If you wish to mutiny, PM both hosts saying so. PMs must be in during this night phase.

2) If the hosts receive exactly three PMs from players who wish to mutiny, a mutiny will occur.

3) You may not discuss this mutiny during this night phase. At all. This includes planning whether you are sending a PM with each other, talking about whether you did or did not send a PM, or endeavouring to make any hints that don't appear to be about the mutiny but actually are. It is entirely off limits to discuss. If you have any questions, PM them.

4) At the end of the night phase, you will be informed by the hosts of the outcome of the mutiny for three. Only after that post may you discuss the mutiny.

Posted: **Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:33 pm**

FUCK Wilgy's role was so cool.

Posted: **Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:35 pm**

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:31 pm
MUTINY FOR THREE

There is now the opportunity for three players to mutiny. What will happen if there is a mutiny, you ask? Well, I tell you...

Here are the rules of the mutiny for three.

1) If you wish to mutiny, PM both hosts saying so. PMs must be in during this night phase.

2) If the hosts receive exactly three PMs from players who wish to mutiny, a mutiny will occur.

3) You may not discuss this mutiny during this night phase. At all. This includes planning whether you are sending a PM with each other, talking about whether you did or did not send a PM, or endeavouring to make any hints that don't appear to be about the mutiny but actually are. It is entirely off limits to discuss. If you have any questions, PM them.

4) At the end of the night phase, you will be informed by the hosts of the outcome of the mutiny for three. Only after that post may you discuss the mutiny.

oh fuck

Posted: **Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:01 pm**

Holy hell, that role could have been bad. Did anyone make a vocaroo?

Posted: **Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:04 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:01 pm Holy hell, that role could have been bad. Did anyone make a vocaroo?

INH

Posted: **Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:09 pm**

Ok I think I remember INH making a post that’s Marmot pointed out was a song- this was during his insanification, which intrinsically is a bizarre time consuming way to go about things. In the editor mode I see it was vocaroo, but vocaroo posts conveniently don’t show up on phone. If it did, i would be marked

I’ll have to go back in the old tribe thread to look at the timing but it would appear to me that Wilgy killed INH.

Posted: **Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:10 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:04 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:01 pm Holy hell, that role could have been bad. Did anyone make a vocaroo?
INH

Thanks. Was he the only one you can remember? I honestly wouldn’t know unless someone said so because I can’t see those links

Posted: **Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:12 pm**

so that would apparently solve one day death. But that doesn’t explain how 2 people day-died on differing tribes. Do we have THREE vig-types our and about? They could all have one-shots like Wilgy did

Posted: **Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:15 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:12 pm so that would apparently solve one day death. But that doesn’t explain how 2 people day-died on differing tribes. Do we have THREE vig-types our and about? They could all have one-shots like Wilgy did

No it wouldn't. Wilgy marked the first player to respond to the vocaroo, not the vocarooing player themselves. So whoever was first to reply to INH's insane rap would have been marked.

Posted: **Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:21 pm**

Marmot would have been the player marked for death. But wilgy never pulled the trigger.

Posted: **Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:22 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:15 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:12 pm so that would apparently solve one day death. But that doesn’t explain how 2 people day-died on differing tribes. Do we have THREE vig-types our and about? They could all have one-shots like Wilgy did
No it wouldn't. Wilgy marked the first player to respond to the vocaroo, not the vocarooing player themselves. So whoever was first to reply to INH's insane rap would have been marked.

Ah right.

So afaik Marmot is the only that directly responded to it. And he didn’t day-die.

I’m looking at LoRab, who did day-die. She had a post that has nothing in it at 11:18p on Wednesday March 14th on Day 7. Is that a cockatoo?

Posted: **Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:37 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 4:22 pm
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 4:01 pm Alrighty, finally caught up.

Firstly, can someone tell me what the fuck "Bidoof" means?

Secondly, reading through the whole Speedchuck thing feels like randomly tuning into some later season of a heavily-serialized TV show, and trying to mentally fill in the gaps. Unfortunately, despite S~V~S being super duper earnest, I have to side with the dull, boring, rational, Occam's-Razor-y DH and DDL on this one. He's probably where my vote's going tomorrow.

Thirdly, Scotty. @S~V~S, you were pretty sus of him due to all the Day 5 shenanigans. Here's my perspective. Scotty, JoH, and Sloonei were all desperately pushing towards lynches at any costs at this point in the game, which was tricky due to having no real flips or info to go off of. Their solution seemed to essentially be playing spin-the-bottle with whoever either disagreed with them or hadn't posted in a while. Boomslang, who is my current top civ read, disagreed with them, and has been relentlessly pursued because of it.

Sloonei and Scotty had a case against me, which they themselves admitted was BS. Nevertheless due to a mixture of apathy and inertia, I began picking up votes. I wrote up a case against sig, which was based on actual, y'know, stuff, and that managed to shift their attention.

At the time, I was nervous that a scummeister could be using the pressure towards a lynch with more voters than Pikachu's to frame civilians.

The fact that this push to beat Pikachu's numbers happened at the same time as LC was about to be lynched over there, well, it don't look great.

Out of the three (relatively) hyper-active players pushing towards a lynch, Scotty's the one that looks the worst to me. JoH is dead, and Sloonei has seemingly calmed down a hell of a lot when the button got pressed. Scotty's the one who first made the switch when I protested against my lynch and offered an "easier" alternative.

This is all not to imply that I don't still suspect sig. As I said over at NuCerberus:

Like Quin said, there's a pretty decent chance that in a game this size that's this convoluted, (I know, I'm one to talk) there are multiple baddie teams. Even if sig's "wagon" was bolstered by an attempt to save LC's bacon, that doesn't discount any of my suspicions of him. Plus, sig had an extra life at that time, and I could see a baddie team not really minding bussing a member with two lives to try and save someone else.
Fourthy, Wilgy. I don't think Wilgy is bad. I think Daisy's meta case against him is hollow and kinda judgmental. I don't like Scotty and company latching onto him as an easy target due to his inactivity. The fact that vote after vote has been cast at him today makes me pretty sure we aren't gonna get anything out of his lynch. But, as S~V~S said, the dude's super-busy, and can't be replaced anytime soon. That's enough for me to sigh and add my twig to the Wilgy bonfire. Plus, I'd be super pissed if Boomslang got lynched today.

[VOTE: WILGY] aubergine
I’ve made many references to Bidoof after we learned the other tribe was named Pikachu, if you were reading along.

I don’t have time to answer to this right now, but first and foremost-

How the hell is Boomslang one of your TOP civ reads? Like, what has given you that indication because I’m dumbfounded how he is the Abraham Lincoln to, say, Sloonei’s Calvin Coolidge. It just isn’t a thing. Those roles should be reversed.

Anyway, off to work. I’m not liking your entrance and it’s not because you’re suspicious of me

Calvin Coolidge > Abraham Lincoln

Posted: **Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:38 pm**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:09 pm QUERY: DOES ANYONE THINK THAT PIKACHU TRIBE WAS DEVOID OF STREXCORP SCUM?

Supporting info: The lopsided nightkill record, and sprit being killed right after the button press.

We didn't have a nightkill until Day 6. I think it's possible that it happened because we only had one mafia team to plot against us.

Posted: **Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:41 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:48 am
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:46 pm I'm not voting speedchuck tomorrow. That's the lazy vote. I already explained why waiting to lynch him is the best option. We have limited information and waiting a not-horribly-long amount of time to see if a bona fide alignment revealer flips is the logical course of action. We're not at LYLO. We can afford it. With every flip that isn't that role, the probability of him being scum increases. No need to rush into a lynch now.

I will not be accepting any counterpoints at this time, thank you. Especially because today isn't Day 10 and we don't need to be talking about speedchuck.
This reasoning is so weird.

We get way more information on one player than we would ever get in most mafia games and your reaction to it is "not enough, need more evidence".

It just doesn't connect.

When everyone bar one or two people is just sitting on the flip as an excuse to lynch, I'm not content. If you think my reasoning is weird, tell me: What do we lose from doing things my way?

Posted: **Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:43 pm**

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:46 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:39 pm Ok I'm not caught up yet but I have to say this.

I am thoroughly moved by your belef in our capicity to lynch Speedchuck, and disappointed with myself that I wasn't motivated enough to yell at everyone to do it and instead spent 48 hours hosting Image Mafia or doing RL things or other pointless crap. Which led to a wagon of a grand total of 6 people ignoring host evidence and voting for me instead, and another 4 doing jack shit.

My hearts throbs at seeing all the betrayed hope, of those children who thought we could get it done and yet, instead of receiving the present they expected, found a carcass of a dead marmot under the christmas tree. With coal.

I must do something to vindicate them.

So I promise you, people, that Speedchuck will die on Day 10.

There are no "buts" or "ifs". No tinfoil. I will personally confiscate every tinfoil hat and burn them if necessary. I will place them on the floor in a way that the smoke forms the words "LYNCH SPEEDCHUCK" when they burn.

There is a host post saying he is a civ and another host post confirming the existance of a role that can create host posts with inverted alignment. It's not any more clear cut than that. Of course there may be ways this information can be wrong, just like there may be ways DH actually caught all scum by himself, but we don't count on those when playing mafia. We follow the most logical path and accept the gift given to use by the hosts. Specially in a game where, let's be frank, we are kicking mafia in the asses so hard I can almost smell the tears coming from their BTSC chats. We have spare days to test weird tangents, and we most definitely have spare days to follow occam's razor, and if that fails, follow weird tangents afterwards.

Speedchuck dies. End of story. If there is any new information from the last 10 pages that makes this post hilariously misguided, show it to me now, otherwise the first time you see me on Day 10 will be with a torch, a pitchfork, and whatever tool they use to kill the lizard thing that is on Chuck's avatar.
I'm not voting speedchuck tomorrow. That's the lazy vote. I already explained why waiting to lynch him is the best option. We have limited information and waiting a not-horribly-long amount of time to see if a bona fide alignment revealer flips is the logical course of action. We're not at LYLO. We can afford it. With every flip that isn't that role, the probability of him being scum increases. No need to rush into a lynch now.

I will not be accepting any counterpoints at this time, thank you. Especially because today isn't Day 10 and we don't need to be talking about speedchuck.

If you have scum all sussed out, any conclusion that's not "lynch them immediately" is wrong.

I've been committing the cardinal sin of catching up on this thread in search of the argument that speedchuck is town. SVS has given him some defense, but it's not, by her own admission, extremely strong and I am still left leaning toward him being bad. I don't want to sit and wait for a civilian flipper to flip while we twiddle our thumbs at speedchuck. If signs point to him being bad, we lynch him.

That's not to say his lynch should be a foregone conclusion. He deserves the same chance to have his say as everyone else and I'm gonna listen to all the arguments. But he's the consensus top suspect right now and I don't disagree with that.

Posted: **Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:43 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:48 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:53 am
Quin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 1:11 am What I'm trying to say is that if anybody on our side sabotaged the challenge, their only real motivation for that would be that there's a higher chance of scum being sent over from the other tribe than ours. So if Sloonei (or a top townie over there) flip bad, we can look back at this event.

This is all assuming they have BTSC to coordinate this, which I don't see why they wouldn't.
Long Con and nutella did the challenge. Both were bad.

Are you an Evil Even, Sloonei?
For anyone who hasn't looked back at the selection process that sent me over to Pikachu after the challenge, it was over in ~10 minutes and I was not present for it. I had no say in who was chosen, it just happened to be me.
I think Marmot also completed one of the puzzles for us.

What was your standing in the thread at the time?

Posted: **Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:44 pm**

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:41 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:48 am
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:46 pm I'm not voting speedchuck tomorrow. That's the lazy vote. I already explained why waiting to lynch him is the best option. We have limited information and waiting a not-horribly-long amount of time to see if a bona fide alignment revealer flips is the logical course of action. We're not at LYLO. We can afford it. With every flip that isn't that role, the probability of him being scum increases. No need to rush into a lynch now.

I will not be accepting any counterpoints at this time, thank you. Especially because today isn't Day 10 and we don't need to be talking about speedchuck.
This reasoning is so weird.

We get way more information on one player than we would ever get in most mafia games and your reaction to it is "not enough, need more evidence".

It just doesn't connect.
When everyone bar one or two people is just sitting on the flip as an excuse to lynch, I'm not content. If you think my reasoning is weird, tell me: What do we lose from doing things my way?

Civs.

Posted: **Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:45 pm**

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:43 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:48 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:53 am
Quin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 1:11 am What I'm trying to say is that if anybody on our side sabotaged the challenge, their only real motivation for that would be that there's a higher chance of scum being sent over from the other tribe than ours. So if Sloonei (or a top townie over there) flip bad, we can look back at this event.

This is all assuming they have BTSC to coordinate this, which I don't see why they wouldn't.
Long Con and nutella did the challenge. Both were bad.

Are you an Evil Even, Sloonei?
For anyone who hasn't looked back at the selection process that sent me over to Pikachu after the challenge, it was over in ~10 minutes and I was not present for it. I had no say in who was chosen, it just happened to be me.
I think Marmot also completed one of the puzzles for us.
What was your standing in the thread at the time?

Consensus townie, leader of men, handsome fella.

Posted: **Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:47 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:44 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:41 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:48 am
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:46 pm I'm not voting speedchuck tomorrow. That's the lazy vote. I already explained why waiting to lynch him is the best option. We have limited information and waiting a not-horribly-long amount of time to see if a bona fide alignment revealer flips is the logical course of action. We're not at LYLO. We can afford it. With every flip that isn't that role, the probability of him being scum increases. No need to rush into a lynch now.

I will not be accepting any counterpoints at this time, thank you. Especially because today isn't Day 10 and we don't need to be talking about speedchuck.
This reasoning is so weird.

We get way more information on one player than we would ever get in most mafia games and your reaction to it is "not enough, need more evidence".

It just doesn't connect.
When everyone bar one or two people is just sitting on the flip as an excuse to lynch, I'm not content. If you think my reasoning is weird, tell me: What do we lose from doing things my way?
Civs.

Then don't lynch a civilian. Next.

Posted: **Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:47 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:45 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:43 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:48 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:53 am
Quin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 1:11 am What I'm trying to say is that if anybody on our side sabotaged the challenge, their only real motivation for that would be that there's a higher chance of scum being sent over from the other tribe than ours. So if Sloonei (or a top townie over there) flip bad, we can look back at this event.

This is all assuming they have BTSC to coordinate this, which I don't see why they wouldn't.
Long Con and nutella did the challenge. Both were bad.

Are you an Evil Even, Sloonei?
For anyone who hasn't looked back at the selection process that sent me over to Pikachu after the challenge, it was over in ~10 minutes and I was not present for it. I had no say in who was chosen, it just happened to be me.
I think Marmot also completed one of the puzzles for us.
What was your standing in the thread at the time?
Consensus townie, leader of men, handsome fella.

Ruh roh.

Posted: **Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:48 pm**

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:38 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:09 pm QUERY: DOES ANYONE THINK THAT PIKACHU TRIBE WAS DEVOID OF STREXCORP SCUM?

Supporting info: The lopsided nightkill record, and sprit being killed right after the button press.
We didn't have a nightkill until Day 6. I think it's possible that it happened because we only had one mafia team to plot against us.

Thanks. I want more people to answer this.

Posted: **Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:53 pm**

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:47 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:45 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:43 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:48 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:53 am
Quin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 1:11 am What I'm trying to say is that if anybody on our side sabotaged the challenge, their only real motivation for that would be that there's a higher chance of scum being sent over from the other tribe than ours. So if Sloonei (or a top townie over there) flip bad, we can look back at this event.

This is all assuming they have BTSC to coordinate this, which I don't see why they wouldn't.
Long Con and nutella did the challenge. Both were bad.

Are you an Evil Even, Sloonei?
For anyone who hasn't looked back at the selection process that sent me over to Pikachu after the challenge, it was over in ~10 minutes and I was not present for it. I had no say in who was chosen, it just happened to be me.
I think Marmot also completed one of the puzzles for us.
What was your standing in the thread at the time?
Consensus townie, leader of men, handsome fella.
Ruh roh.

Do you suspect me?

Posted: **Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:54 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:53 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:47 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:45 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:43 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:48 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:53 am
Quin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 1:11 am What I'm trying to say is that if anybody on our side sabotaged the challenge, their only real motivation for that would be that there's a higher chance of scum being sent over from the other tribe than ours. So if Sloonei (or a top townie over there) flip bad, we can look back at this event.

This is all assuming they have BTSC to coordinate this, which I don't see why they wouldn't.
Long Con and nutella did the challenge. Both were bad.

Are you an Evil Even, Sloonei?
For anyone who hasn't looked back at the selection process that sent me over to Pikachu after the challenge, it was over in ~10 minutes and I was not present for it. I had no say in who was chosen, it just happened to be me.
I think Marmot also completed one of the puzzles for us.
What was your standing in the thread at the time?
Consensus townie, leader of men, handsome fella.
Ruh roh.
Do you suspect me?

A little. Right now I'm looking through cerberus to see who voted you to be the observer.

Posted: **Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:58 pm**

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 7:22 pm I think Sloonei would be a good choice. Mr. Activity is most likely to make the most of the opportunity.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:06 pm I'm about to go snowshoeing for the next 24 hours, so I'll vote Sloonei to get that thread view.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:15 pm Woohoo! Yay prize! Thanks SpaceDaisy for coming in at the end there to seal the win!

I agree that Sloonei should go if not me. I’m fine with that.

Go ahead Sloonei! Can’t wait to hear what hijinx is going on over there.

Sloonei was voted by Marmot. But he was Strex so that doesn't line up the same way that I was thinking it would.

Posted: **Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:00 pm**

Either way I still come back to questioning the actual benefit of scum throwing the challenge for viewing permissions.

Posted: **Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:10 pm**

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:00 pm Either way I still come back to questioning the actual benefit of scum throwing the challenge for viewing permissions.

Marmot helped us win it. I also don't see what benefit there'd be in this given that they could presumably already communicate with each other across the threads.

Posted: **Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:10 pm**

It's a waste of time and energy to be suspicious of me. Don't do it.

Posted: **Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:14 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:10 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:00 pm Either way I still come back to questioning the actual benefit of scum throwing the challenge for viewing permissions.
Marmot helped us win it. I also don't see what benefit there'd be in this given that they could presumably already communicate with each other across the threads.

There is very minimal benefit in it. Especially on our side though we were struggling to figure out what the tribe dynamic was re: lynches and night kills. My question is just about whether scum would put themselves out there to keep us in the dark about that if we were just going to figure it out come merge.

Posted: **Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:18 pm**

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:14 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:10 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:00 pm Either way I still come back to questioning the actual benefit of scum throwing the challenge for viewing permissions.
Marmot helped us win it. I also don't see what benefit there'd be in this given that they could presumably already communicate with each other across the threads.
There is very minimal benefit in it. Especially on our side though we were struggling to figure out what the tribe dynamic was re: lynches and night kills. My question is just about whether scum would put themselves out there to keep us in the dark about that if we were just going to figure it out come merge.

They voted to send me to your thread while I was at work. I came home and thought I'd accidentally been given privileges I should not have had. I think that strategy would run tremendous risk with little reward. If I'm bad and my teammates directly conspired to put the spotlight on me for the sake of hiding information from townies, information which everyone in the game would know I have access to, then that's a very very bad position to put me in. I can assure you with complete certainty that it did not happen.

Posted: **Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:19 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:10 pm It's a waste of time and energy to be suspicious of me. Don't do it.

Posted: **Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:29 pm**

Here is the post in which speedchuck's allegedly false role/alignment was revealed. An important feature of the discussion today was the speculation about nutella's possible motive for falsely revealing speedchuck's role when she did it. The context of this hypothetical move should be essential to the discussion of whether or not to lynch Speedchuck next, but I've not actually seen anyone dig into it. I was going to do it myself, but that's akin to searching for a needle in a haystack for somebody who was not a member of that tribe when it happened, and I ain't got the patience for that nonsense right now. I implore any of you OG Pikachus to look into it.

I did a brief nutella iso and found that she seemed generally supportive of speedchuck throughout the game, and I get the impression that chuck was widely viewed as civilian. The speculation that she may have wanted to bump a strong civilian player like speedchuck ahead of herself in the lynch queue seems like it would add up. But there could very well be more illuminating details in the thread somewhere. Anyone wanna help look for them? Please?

Posted: **Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:30 pm**

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:19 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:10 pm It's a waste of time and energy to be suspicious of me. Don't do it.

Together at last!
you're bad. You must be bad. Everyone lynch cbob.

Posted: **Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:31 pm**

that post was in an imperceptible shade of sarcastic orange.

Posted: **Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:35 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:22 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:15 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:12 pm so that would apparently solve one day death. But that doesn’t explain how 2 people day-died on differing tribes. Do we have THREE vig-types our and about? They could all have one-shots like Wilgy did
No it wouldn't. Wilgy marked the first player to respond to the vocaroo, not the vocarooing player themselves. So whoever was first to reply to INH's insane rap would have been marked.
Ah right.

So afaik Marmot is the only that directly responded to it. And he didn’t day-die.

I’m looking at LoRab, who did day-die. She had a post that has nothing in it at 11:18p on Wednesday March 14th on Day 7. Is that a cockatoo?

Yeah--I made one. I don't remember if anyone responded to it. I didn't know what would happen, just that I had to sing a song of atleast 10 seconds. From questioning the hosts, I know it had to be on topic.

That Marmot was marked for death and wasn't killed--and that we know he was mafia--makes me feel that the suspicion on Wilgy was spot on.

Posted: **Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:36 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:21 pm Marmot would have been the player marked for death. But wilgy never pulled the trigger.

Were it anybody else, I would have said, "But he would have known not to respond blah blah blah."

Marmot and Wilgy are two guys who like doing bizarre things to amuse themselves.

Posted: **Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:44 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:36 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:21 pm Marmot would have been the player marked for death. But wilgy never pulled the trigger.
Were it anybody else, I would have said, "But he would have known not to respond blah blah blah."

Marmot and Wilgy are two guys who like doing bizarre things to amuse themselves.

The allegation is that wilgy is an even while marmot was strexcorp, so they wouldn't be teammates anyway. I forgot about that when I was ponderin'.

Posted: **Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:48 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:44 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:36 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:21 pm Marmot would have been the player marked for death. But wilgy never pulled the trigger.
Were it anybody else, I would have said, "But he would have known not to respond blah blah blah."

Marmot and Wilgy are two guys who like doing bizarre things to amuse themselves.
The allegation is that wilgy is an even while marmot was strexcorp, so they wouldn't be teammates anyway. I forgot about that when I was ponderin'.

My thinking is this:

If that was a civilian role, I would be less likely to cap its kill potential given how many lives are in existence. There is a condition that has to be met before a kill can even be carried out.

If that was a mafia role, the mafia already have a regular kill at their disposal, so capping the potential body count at one makes a lot of sense.

Posted: **Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:56 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:48 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:44 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:36 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:21 pm Marmot would have been the player marked for death. But wilgy never pulled the trigger.
Were it anybody else, I would have said, "But he would have known not to respond blah blah blah."

Marmot and Wilgy are two guys who like doing bizarre things to amuse themselves.
The allegation is that wilgy is an even while marmot was strexcorp, so they wouldn't be teammates anyway. I forgot about that when I was ponderin'.
My thinking is this:

If that was a civilian role, I would be less likely to cap its kill potential given how many lives are in existence. There is a condition that has to be met before a kill can even be carried out.

If that was a mafia role, the mafia already have a regular kill at their disposal, so capping the potential body count at one makes a lot of sense.

so does this make wilgy look worse or better in your eyes?

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