The Syndicate

DJ Neutron Star wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 1:33 pm

cassowary wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:17 am

DJ Neutron Star wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:05 am it reads like cassowary just sort of choosing someone who was being voted and naming some generic scumtell that could apply to them at the time

Excuse double post here, I'm on my phone so quoting is annoying, but this is not why I voted LC. Perhaps I should have made my case using more quotes of LC at the time, but his ISO at the time was like mostly mechanical speculation (elements and hypothetical vote-restricted mafia role) and a couple off topic posts, then he sort of vaguely agreed with the psi case, then suddenly jumped back in with a vote on Cayvie. It kind of read to me as all over the place, like he wasn't really paying attention to the thread very much.

He's had more to say now though, but that was my reasoning at the time. Just want to clear that up.

could you elaborate on what it is you continue to not like about Long Con beyond just affirming you don't like him/think he's strange?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:27 pm Starting to 2nd guess cass lynch and wanting to jump on Neutron instead

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:27 pm Starting to 2nd guess cass lynch and wanting to jump on Neutron instead

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:29 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:27 pm Starting to 2nd guess cass lynch and wanting to jump on Neutron instead

I'd be in favor but doubt it's happening with 30 min left

cassowary wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:59 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:22 pm

cassowary wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 3:32 pm

chardonnay wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 2:20 amHaving played with PSInightmare before im surprised that your takeaway is a scum lean. I'm thinking shes town tbh

I mean I said 'maybe slight' scum lean. I do find it interesting that other people jumped on it so quickly, though.

I do think reading too much into psi's tone is ill-advised though. That wasn't my intent with my callout of her. I can confirm as well that she always writes like this. But also, I feel like she was good at using her posting style to her advantage when she was mafia before, so I feel wary of TRing her based on this as you seem to be?

Still, I'm not sure she's my prime suspect atm. Going to go back and read over the thread more carefully.

Wait, you have meta experience with PSI? Why did you wait to mention this now, and not when you made that post saying you suspected her?

I followed your first post about her, but I don't have meta experience with PSI. The other guy who does have it defended her after I made that case. But now that people are calling the case in question, you decide to remind us that you know her meta and change your read to a more null one?

Uh, sort of? Carotte asked me specifically for reads on the people I already did have meta experience with, but most of them hadn't really made any posts, and I wanted to have something rather than just saying 'they're all null!' This was kinda my strongest feeling at the time based on the, like, 3 posts the people I already knew had made. But to be honest I'm not super attached to this read so... ehh.

The read wasn't based on tone/writing style, bc I do know she always writes like this. I understand people who don't know her reading her tone as suspicious, but my read was based more on the fact that she seemed to not be trying to have her reads stand out. I feel like chardonnay may have confused my post and your post on PSI and thought that I was calling out PSI's tone, which I was not, even if I was pointing at the same post. But at the same time I disagree with chardonnay here that the tone is a meta reason to townread her either, because she's good at maintaining that tone regardless of alignment ime.

@chardonnay you didn't really specify why you're feeling psi as town beyond 'she often comes across as appeasing' -- could you go into more detail? For me, meta experience would seem to imply she should be floating somewhere around the middle, I'm not sure where you're getting town from.

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Re the other stuff going on:

Count me in as not a fan of Jiwon's posting this game either. "inactivity is NAI" doesn't apply when the person is posting but just choosing not to engage.

I don't really see the suspicion of cayvie, or at least I don't see myself voting for Cayvie today when there are better options on the table.

I can also get behind the LC wagon. I don't feel like he's contributed a whole lot of original stuff beyond mechanical speculation and agreeing with other people's reads.

I'll do [VOTE: long con] aubergine for now.

also why does it say aubergine whenever people vote lol

cassowary wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:03 am I concur with Neutron on the futility of tone-reading PSI. (Pedit: but I disagree w/ him on U-G's posts coming from town)

I don't really know how to respond to the description of my playstyle as "reactive" or "trying to blend in." I mean, yes, I am reacting to stuff in the thread and giving my thoughts on it. And if I'm trying to blend, I'm apparently doing a terrible job at it.

Truth be told, I'm generally pretty bad at d1 stuff -- I usually don't really know what to say early on, I tend to do better with solving-type stuff in the later game. And I'm definitely feeling that hard right now.

I guess here's thoughts:

I feel like chardonnay and carotenoid in particular have been pushing me hard into "consensus scumread" territory based on mostly "I just feel like cassowary's posts have a weird tone"-type stuff, which I don't really know how to defend against, but it feels kind of like something you can say without much to back it up.

I stand by my LC vote at the time, and I still find his... aggressive response to suspicions of him a little strange, but also I don't know him and maybe this is just how he is always? The people who know him don't seem concerned, at least.

U-G continues to seem nervous. That paranoid response to the post that wasn't about him was very strange, and this isn't really the kind of tone I normally see from him. I can definitely see these posts coming from a U-G who's nervous at rolling scum on a new site with a bunch of people he doesn't know.

Regarding Jiwon, it's unfortunate that he hasn't contributed literally anything, but in my recent experience that doesn't really mean anything as regards alignment. (It's just Cave of the Past all over again...) So I'm wary of casting a vote based purely on shitpostiness because I've led that charge in the past and been horribly wrong.

I am going to sleep but will be back tomorrow morning before EOD. I'm going to move my vote onto U-G so I'm at least putting it to slightly more productive use??

[VOTE: Ultimate-Gamer] aubergine

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:42 pm oh no another cass vote

will move back to jiwon to save cass if needed lol i just townread them

Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:41 pm

cassowary wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:03 am I concur with Neutron on the futility of tone-reading PSI. (Pedit: but I disagree w/ him on U-G's posts coming from town)

I don't really know how to respond to the description of my playstyle as "reactive" or "trying to blend in." I mean, yes, I am reacting to stuff in the thread and giving my thoughts on it. And if I'm trying to blend, I'm apparently doing a terrible job at it.

Truth be told, I'm generally pretty bad at d1 stuff -- I usually don't really know what to say early on, I tend to do better with solving-type stuff in the later game. And I'm definitely feeling that hard right now.

I guess here's thoughts:

I feel like chardonnay and carotenoid in particular have been pushing me hard into "consensus scumread" territory based on mostly "I just feel like cassowary's posts have a weird tone"-type stuff, which I don't really know how to defend against, but it feels kind of like something you can say without much to back it up.

I stand by my LC vote at the time, and I still find his... aggressive response to suspicions of him a little strange, but also I don't know him and maybe this is just how he is always? The people who know him don't seem concerned, at least.

U-G continues to seem nervous. That paranoid response to the post that wasn't about him was very strange, and this isn't really the kind of tone I normally see from him. I can definitely see these posts coming from a U-G who's nervous at rolling scum on a new site with a bunch of people he doesn't know.

Regarding Jiwon, it's unfortunate that he hasn't contributed literally anything, but in my recent experience that doesn't really mean anything as regards alignment. (It's just Cave of the Past all over again...) So I'm wary of casting a vote based purely on shitpostiness because I've led that charge in the past and been horribly wrong.

I am going to sleep but will be back tomorrow morning before EOD. I'm going to move my vote onto U-G so I'm at least putting it to slightly more productive use??

[VOTE: Ultimate-Gamer] aubergine

underlined reads like a wolf unhappy that they can't just get away with an easy policy-esque vote
underlined italicized reads like a wolf preemptively trying to avoid getting blamed for a vote on town

[VOTE: cassowary] aubergine

Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:43 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:42 pm oh no another cass vote

will move back to jiwon to save cass if needed lol i just townread them

why?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:43 pm I want to know how Jovian zeroed on those specific poets in the middle of the thread 10 min after replacing in.

Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:45 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:43 pm I want to know how Jovian zeroed on those specific poets in the middle of the thread 10 min after replacing in.

https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/searc ... sf=msgonly

Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:45 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:43 pm I want to know how Jovian zeroed on those specific poets in the middle of the thread 10 min after replacing in.

https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/searc ... sf=msgonly

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:46 pm Reminder Alison's vote may not actually count.

cayvie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:47 pm i was getting dadv vibes from the jiwon wagon, and things have gotten way more lively since i switched.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:48 pm dadv?

PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:53 pm Oh hey I forgot mobile was a thing

I am a way slower phone typer than computer typer though

Just popping in to say that I am not comfortable with my Jiwon vote and am okay with seeing if we can get Neutron through in 8 minutes.

[VOTE: DJ Neutron Star] aubergine

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:54 pm Dov just voted jiwon without posting anything

cayvie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:54 pm

PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:53 pm Oh hey I forgot mobile was a thing

I am a way slower phone typer than computer typer though

Just popping in to say that I am not comfortable with my Jiwon vote and am okay with seeing if we can get Neutron through in 8 minutes.

[VOTE: DJ Neutron Star] aubergine

make sure you actually vote in the poll if you want it to count

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:55 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:54 pm Dov just voted jiwon without posting anything

@dov hi do you have thoughts? I think carotte said you're new to mafia so I understand if it's overwhelming but would like to know what went into your decision!

Monk Gyatso (Air Nomad)

You have no abilities. You are town, and you win when all the mafia are dead.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:22 pm I think someone tried and succeeded at stopping my DJ CFD attempt.

Jovian showing up and suddenly being for every wagon except DJ is suspicious af.

dov wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:44 pm Can someone tell me what the following terms are, I'm a bit confused:
town, townlean, nullish, scumlean, and scumchat