The Syndicate

Vulgard wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 6:02 am

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 5:59 am

Vulgard wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 5:54 am The reason I'm hesitant to townread Ash is because I get the impression that he's fully capable of writing the posts he has written as either alignment. So far, there hasn't been anything telling me that he certainly doesn't have more information than he should.

My townread on Poison is mostly a result of her open excitement and the energy of her response to my slight pressure. It felt free of doubt, and free of worry. It looked like she hadn't even thought twice about what she was going to write, which is a good sign.

Ehh re: Poison part

It is only day 0, would any scum feel pressured or spill out something scummy from light pressures, vulgard? I don't think so? Besides which post was supposed to be the pressure

I put you on the spot when I asked you to make an impression on me, and the way you responded did not feel like a mafia response. Of course, the fact you don't even think it was a sign pressure is also towny, because I think you would be more aware of that as mafia (mafia are attuned to people's reads on them, which is only natural).

I also like the fact you didn't ignore the post and responded to it instantly. You could easily ignore it without repercussions, or you could have responded with a meme, but that isn't really what happened.

I agree, this isn't the most logical or cohesive read, but I feel fairly good about it.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 6:20 am I initially believed that tutuu's claim just now was towny, but then I realized it doesn't make sense for her to believe what she said. "Building imperfect cases on purpose and pointing it out for the sake of pocketing." That sounds like an incredibly forced reason to suggest that my push is not town-motivated.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 6:20 am I initially believed that tutuu's claim just now was towny, but then I realized it doesn't make sense for her to believe what she said. "Building imperfect cases on purpose and pointing it out for the sake of pocketing." That sounds like an incredibly forced reason to suggest that my push is not town-motivated.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 6:18 am

G-Man wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 6:13 am (1) Fake claiming is allowed. I mean, technically a baddie saying “I’m town” in defense of accusations is a fake claim. I just don’t want my power roles to claim their real roles because that leads to the game breaking down too easily. I like making it hard on you players and watching you guys squirm.

This has a degenerate exploit FYI, recommend just making it blanket “no claims” if you don’t want people claiming their role

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 2:50 am Btw, curious how good you expect your reads to be this game?

Vulgard wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 6:26 am One thing about tutuu's response just now is that the thought I quoted doesn't make sense... which is why it might come from town. One would think that mafia tutuu would respond with something that actually makes sense, but instead, I received this tinfoil-like partial OMGUS.

That's one thing that could make her town.

G-Man wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 6:28 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 6:18 am

G-Man wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 6:13 am (1) Fake claiming is allowed. I mean, technically a baddie saying “I’m town” in defense of accusations is a fake claim. I just don’t want my power roles to claim their real roles because that leads to the game breaking down too easily. I like making it hard on you players and watching you guys squirm.

This has a degenerate exploit FYI, recommend just making it blanket “no claims” if you don’t want people claiming their role

Tell me more about this ‘degenerate exploit.’ Sounds kinda kinky tbh.

No role-claiming has been a norm for me for about 10 years, so I guess I don’t see the harm in my setup.

Baddies have to be able to say they are town or else it makes for a short game.

I’m not talking about “I’m town” or whatever and I think that’s fairly obvious, but being able to claim specific PRs/roles EXCEPT the one that you are creates what should be a fairly obvious exploit in mid to late game

If you don’t want people claiming their PR just say “you can’t claim a PR of any kind” and be done with it

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 6:31 am How the hell do I keep fucking up quotes you’d think I’ve never used this forum ffs

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:48 am Mafia was created by Dimitri Davidoff in 1986. Since then, there have been tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands Mafia games played throughout the world, in IRL, Forums, Video, Voice chat and more.

From all of these millions, billions, and even trillions Mafia games, there has not been a single town who has been more towny than tutuu has been this game. Take that scumread back and be ashamed of yourself, sis.

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 6:32 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 6:31 am How the hell do I keep fucking up quotes you’d think I’ve never used this forum ffs

I think there's some technical problems? It is taking me quite a few times to get my reply posted

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 3:05 am Also you’re British yeah? Or do I just have that in my head cause of your avatar

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 6:36 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 3:05 am Also you’re British yeah? Or do I just have that in my head cause of your avatar

Your avatar makes me imagine you as a blonde mermaid. I really don't know why blonde specifically but yeah.

Ash Lael wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 3:16 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 3:05 am Also you’re British yeah? Or do I just have that in my head cause of your avatar

I'm Australian.

I probably won't do any meta-diving.

In terms of confidence level, there's the inside view and the outside view, right? From the outside view I understand I often have bad, overconfident reads. But from the inside, when I really lock onto a read I can get ultra convinced of it to the point I can't really comprehend being wrong. As my presence in this game attests (I was so sure Dya was scum...)

So yeah. Expect me to be slightly above rand in accuracy but to talk like I've seen everyone's role cards.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 6:27 am Judging by what NANOOK just said, it's apparently normal for tutuu to overreact to early suspicion. I don't think I'm getting much more out of this for the time being.

Ash, any thoughts about NANOOK?

Vulgard wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 6:44 am So, I suppose I'll have to put up with the fact that tutuu gives people sass for scumreading her / disagreeing with her but immediately compliments them if they townread her / agree with her.
Sigh.

Does anyone have a mafia game to link me so I can check if she does this routine as mafia as well?

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 6:40 am

Ash Lael wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 3:16 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 3:05 am Also you’re British yeah? Or do I just have that in my head cause of your avatar

I'm Australian.

I probably won't do any meta-diving.

In terms of confidence level, there's the inside view and the outside view, right? From the outside view I understand I often have bad, overconfident reads. But from the inside, when I really lock onto a read I can get ultra convinced of it to the point I can't really comprehend being wrong. As my presence in this game attests (I was so sure Dya was scum...)

So yeah. Expect me to be slightly above rand in accuracy but to talk like I've seen everyone's role cards.

Sorry but I don't get it, what do you mean exactly by inside and the outside thing?

Vulgard wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 3:21 am I have a question. Is it normal for people on this site to claim mafia as town? I’m playing my first game here.

On principle, I scumread Hally, ted and tutuu already, because they all claimed mafia and I don’t like that.

Tutuu’s followup where she claims cop instead doesn’t make me feel better about her slot; instead, it makes me think she’s mafia, who thinks that these claims are Funny and Towny. They are not.

Hally’s post that they were being scummy on purpose reads like a mafia excuse. I do not buy it it. This is still a mafia read.

Light townread on Ash Lael for his take on NANOOK. I think it was a good take, and I like the way it was phrased. Concise, to the point, no unnecessary flair, no hedging or doubt.

Post #137 by Hally contains some useful information if Hally’s mafia. Namely, it spews Michelle town in that world. I don’t like either of the takes on Michelle even without my scumread on Hally; they feel quite forced, and the first one comes across as written in bad faith. “Oh, I was totally being scummy on purpose and they ignored it, so they are mafia for ignoring my scummy self.”

The fact it is prefaced by “at the risk of jumping the gun” is also the type of hedge I read as mafia indicative. It preemptively establishes that “the person writing the post can be wrong, and that you should consider that if you kill Michelle and she flips town.”

I also don’t like Hally’s later townread on Michelle, because it feels forced. I don’t mind the progression change nearly as much as I do mind the reasoning behind the read. “She made a read on me involving me posting a spoiler, which is towny, so I will read you town now.” It doesn’t sound genuine to me.

You could disregard my mafia reads if it is common to claim mafia here, but I think tutuu and Hally have both crossed into “mafia even outside of their mafia claims” territory.

Ash Lael is legitimately my only townread so far and even that one is light. In fact, while writing this post, I think I should shift him back to null, because my reason for townreading him is rather thin to begin with.

Arete still has not posted anything outside of their mafia range. Unsurprisingly, since they have barely posted substantial stuff.

Off-Topic: Looks like Hally is in the same club of mafia where Arete belongs as well. “People who were in Champs but still call themselves bad at mafia for some reason.” You guys are good, and I’m going to treat you with respect of your play within the game. Which means, no easy clears. Have fun, Hally, the one who did not want to feel pressured

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 6:44 am Ash buddy are u sure ur reads are gonna be slightly above rand in terms of accuracy

Vulgard wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 3:32 am Poison and Michelle's posts have left absolutely no impression on me after I read them for the first time. I might have to re-read them and see what I think.

Ash Lael wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 6:52 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 6:44 am Ash buddy are u sure ur reads are gonna be slightly above rand in terms of accuracy

No, because you’re pushing all my “deathtunnel this” buttons and I don’t expect the game to be that easy.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 3:36 am I can't wait for V/V/V wagons or something like that. Always seems to happen when I play offsite.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 6:57 am

Ash Lael wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 6:52 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 6:44 am Ash buddy are u sure ur reads are gonna be slightly above rand in terms of accuracy

No, because you’re pushing all my “deathtunnel this” buttons and I don’t expect the game to be that easy.

Nods, nods

Well im glad u townread me now

Now townread nanook too pls

Ash Lael wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 7:03 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 6:57 am

Ash Lael wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 6:52 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 6:44 am Ash buddy are u sure ur reads are gonna be slightly above rand in terms of accuracy

No, because you’re pushing all my “deathtunnel this” buttons and I don’t expect the game to be that easy.

Nods, nods

Well im glad u townread me now

Now townread nanook too pls

No I still scumread you. I don’t have the confidence that I’ve caught a wolf already to fully commit to it but I’m sure as hell not going to reverse my read on that basis.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 7:03 am Every time somebody openwolfs, I put them a tier lower on my internal readlist.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 4:18 am Taking a personality test wasn't a waste for me at all. It helped me figure myself out, primarily because I'd felt that I'd been alone, thinking the way I did. I suppose I understand that tests like these are not that important to some people, though.

My investment mostly depends on my irl state of mind, but it's relatively equal between alignments. Most people say my towngame is miles ahead of my mafia game, and I tentatively agree, but I still prefer mafia. I just don't rand mafia very often.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 3:21 am On principle, I scumread Hally, ted and tutuu already, because they all claimed mafia and I don’t like that.