The Syndicate

I mean I just kill LC in F3 ez

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 1:16 am

Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 12:02 am Don't want to go Falcon

Don't have a reason to TR him, LC is just the hit to me

Abi, can you articulate to me why LC is town in your eyes?

Attitude play vibes killed a wolf can solve in F3

disagree, with killed a wolf in particular.

despite the low vote count, Cannot was looking like a very likely elim before he dropped his vote, with multiple telegraphed votes that hadn't landed yet

Bruh wasn't the day 1 vote count like 3 votes tops and LC was on there early js like this isn't the time to tinfoil a town who's actually playing over people not playing

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 1:42 am Bruh wasn't the day 1 vote count like 3 votes tops and LC was on there early js like this isn't the time to tinfoil a town who's actually playing over people not playing

The vote count is deceiving

There was only one vote on Cannot from LemonFairy but there were to be quite frank only three people really active at the time; LemonFairy, You, and SVS

Cannot was the only person SVS had below null, and you were sussing Cannot beforehand. At the time of his vote, it looked like Cannot was gonna get at least three votes, and outside those three, there was no telling where anyone else's votes would have ended

Despite the low vote count, Cannot was kinda the only option, unless you want to argue that LC could have swapped to Wilgy, which would have been super outting even if a game like this. I mean, the votes on Wilgy were Wilgy himself and Falcon who was memeing

Dolby's posts look pretty good
but more so I'm kind of hyped that someone is affirming my LC scumread

on the other hand, some of LC's posts have made me hesitant
more on that in a bit

also wilgy's death was FMPOV a slightly absurd choice and one that someone being townread would more likely make
because why not kill LC, me, or Abi?

now I'm back to thinking I'm right

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 9:36 am Dolby's posts look pretty good
but more so I'm kind of hyped that someone is affirming my LC scumread

on the other hand, some of LC's posts have made me hesitant
more on that in a bit

Hey

I do got to admit that you being alive is the sole thing causing to hesitate since I think that you are kind of the obvious n2 kill for him

But I think despite that LC is maf

What have I missed?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 10:25 am What have I missed?

Wow he’s alive

Falcon I have 0 idea what you think about the game and who the last wolf is so best to start there I guess

Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 10:31 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 10:25 am What have I missed?

Wow he’s alive

I am difficult to kill. Gravity has attempted many times and failed




I don't recall you being in the game? I have reading to do it would seem

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 10:40 am

Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 10:31 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 10:25 am What have I missed?

Wow he’s alive

I am difficult to kill. Gravity has attempted many times and failed




I don't recall you being in the game? I have reading to do it would seem

Yeah I replaced in for DM

who's town who's wolf?

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 9:41 am also wilgy's death was FMPOV a slightly absurd choice and one that someone being townread would more likely make
because why not kill LC, me, or Abi?

wilgy kill is wilding me out

idk why LC kills Wilgy and not you

heck idk why anyone except maybe Abbi doesn't kill you, though I think Abi is just town anyway

Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 11:12 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 10:40 am

Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 10:31 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 10:25 am What have I missed?

Wow he’s alive

I am difficult to kill. Gravity has attempted many times and failed




I don't recall you being in the game? I have reading to do it would seem

Yeah I replaced in for DM

who's town who's wolf?

Check this out




[VOTE: lemon] aubergine

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 11:29 am

Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 11:12 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 10:40 am

Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 10:31 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 10:25 am What have I missed?

Wow he’s alive

I am difficult to kill. Gravity has attempted many times and failed




I don't recall you being in the game? I have reading to do it would seem

Yeah I replaced in for DM

who's town who's wolf?

Check this out




[VOTE: lemon] aubergine

Lemon is my top town, walk me through this

If both wolves came in one blind voted be while the other attacked me than they both pulled off for no reason

What the fuck was the plan lol

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 11:36 am If both wolves came in one blind voted be while the other attacked me than they both pulled off for no reason

What the fuck was the plan lol

also that Lemon pulled off of you and then immediately went for Cannot

Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 11:33 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 11:29 am

Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 11:12 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 10:40 am

Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 10:31 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 10:25 am What have I missed?

Wow he’s alive

I am difficult to kill. Gravity has attempted many times and failed




I don't recall you being in the game? I have reading to do it would seem

Yeah I replaced in for DM

who's town who's wolf?

Check this out




[VOTE: lemon] aubergine

Lemon is my top town, walk me through this

Why are they your top town?

Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 11:39 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 11:36 am If both wolves came in one blind voted be while the other attacked me than they both pulled off for no reason

What the fuck was the plan lol

also that Lemon pulled off of you and then immediately went for Cannot

It's good for town cred, isn't it?





Why is a widely TR player, who was sus of a red flip post 1, still alive?




I can think of one reason

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 11:40 am

Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 11:33 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 11:29 am

Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 11:12 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 10:40 am

Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 10:31 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 10:25 am What have I missed?

Wow he’s alive

I am difficult to kill. Gravity has attempted many times and failed




I don't recall you being in the game? I have reading to do it would seem

Yeah I replaced in for DM

who's town who's wolf?

Check this out




[VOTE: lemon] aubergine

Lemon is my top town, walk me through this

Why are they your top town?

they're everyone's top town

the way she got on Cannot looks good, if she's a wolf she was basically boxxing herself in on D1, she has takes that I agreed with as I was reading thread from the beginning. She practically started the Cannot wagon. I like her d2 posts and her progression on LC is very believable to me

The only thing that looks bad for her is that she didn't die n2

Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 11:43 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 11:40 am

Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 11:33 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 11:29 am

Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 11:12 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 10:40 am

Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 10:31 am

Wow he’s alive

I am difficult to kill. Gravity has attempted many times and failed




I don't recall you being in the game? I have reading to do it would seem

Yeah I replaced in for DM

who's town who's wolf?

Check this out




[VOTE: lemon] aubergine

Lemon is my top town, walk me through this

Why are they your top town?

they're everyone's top town

the way she got on Cannot looks good, if she's a wolf she was basically boxxing herself in on D1, she has takes that I agreed with as I was reading thread from the beginning. She practically started the Cannot wagon. I like her d2 posts and her progression on LC is very believable to me

The only thing that looks bad for her is that she didn't die n2

Staring the Cannot wagon doesn't deserve an N1 kill in your mind?




Interesting

Falcon I firmly believe that LC was acting way more like mafia trying to get cred for a red flip on D1

I'm not re-eving Lemon unless she's alive in F3, and heck, I skimmed through her ISO again just now and I think she's still town.

Take a look at me or LC?

I guess Falcon is maybe a bit towny entering with that vote because why not try to setup for LC -> me as mafia?

@falcon45ca Lemon's posts throughout the game feel extremely pure after page 1. Like I get the point but I think it's far more likely that mafia wilded with the kill than Lemon is a wolf

Falcon cornered wolf stonks rising

falcon voting me is kinda wild
IDK how to see it

Dolby wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2024 9:45 pm @Lemonfairy can you talk to me about why you felt this was town indicative? I felt the same but I also want you to explain it in your own words how you felt at the time

it's been a while so I don't really remember what I thought
I think it was just something I don't think comes from a wolf

in the post on the page before, Abi was still saying that me calling her wolfread on me OMGUS was a wolfy way to take pressure off myself

I think if a wolf was faking a wolfread on me, they'd have a harder time switching from that wolfread onto a townread and it wouldn't happen so suddenly

this was just my first change in read on Abi
I think they've done a bunch of other stuff that I townread more than this
(mostly, I don't see why you singled this out to ask me about)

FR wolves better kill me tonight because even if I see Abi in F3, I'm still not going to vote there

tbh there's a world where I'm tunnelled and just ignored the zero poster

but I think it's just LC

Dolby wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2024 10:19 pm Long Con wasn't even wrong for the right reasons on Roxy imo and his focus on specifically his part of Roxy's reads of the whole thread is imo kinda telling of his direction, he only cares about refuting anything surrounding him

the only towny thing about him is that Lemonfairy didn't die N2

Anyway, Lemonfairy is my top town, I don't think that I re-ev that even if we're both alive in f3. Abi is pretty strong town as well. Falcon I have basically nothing on but LC just feels like a wolf

NGL I had a moment of doubt but reading this again, I can't see this as a wolf

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2024 10:37 pm

Dolby wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2024 10:35 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2024 10:30 pm Can't believe Wilgy went. I thought I'd be voting him.

I haven't read whatever misinformation Dolby is lathering on, but it's ridiculous to consider me the Wolf here. Also can't believe it wasn't Roxy.

But, go ahead and yeet me if you believe whatever is being trumped up here. Looks like a lot of energy will be needed to refute these past fifty posts, so it might take some time, if I feel up to it.

It ain't me.

if you believe it's misinfo vote me then

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Why are you like this? Ok, fine, you're obviously the last Wolf. Don't make me say the obvious reason why.

[VOTE: Dolby] aubergine

Let's end this please, guys.

is this an OMGUS vote or do you really think Dolby is wolfy?
if Dolby is a wolf, why would they push you instead of falcon?

fwiw I pretty much asked LC to vote me before he voted me

however I want to come back to this quote again, in the first nested quote he immediately jumps to sussing me for sussing him. I think town can at least acknowledge that he at minimum looks worse through a readthrough than you and Abi though and would not think it's patently ridculuous to push him. Maybe he could criticize me for ignoring Falcon, but he's trying to sell himself like the obvious towniest person in the thread ... which I've covered why that isn't the case

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2024 10:45 pm

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2024 6:51 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2024 6:20 pm Why make it harder than it needs to be

because I think it's just LC and I'm multitabling 3 games so I don't want to drag it out another day if we don't need to

Why do you think it's me? Do you think my case against Roxy was fake? It didn't feel fake when I was saying it, it felt like Roxy was lying about me. I don't know why she did that, but I thought there was only one evident reason. I was wrong. I don't see how I have acted like a Wolf at all, and I don't understand this jump.

Unless - and this isn't a threat - you're actually the last Wolf. Then, I have already conceded unless things change a lot. You're the Towniest player I've got. It wasn't Wilgy. It ain't falcon. I'm cool with Abbi but I'm also aware that she was the other Player in the Salad, and my original other candidate. I have felt good about her since then but I could be wrong.

And DarlingMonroe was a nonentity until recently, and now Dolby has arrived with such vigour to save the game. This is the last Wolf, in my opinion. Revitalized.

I think in hindsight, you showed a willingness to vote many people that is inconsistent with the amount of confidence you portrayed in believing they are mafia.

For example, you first shaded a bunch of people Cannot didn't mention in their post, which suggested that you can see any of them as a wolf, but then you focused only on the people Cannot mentioned and very confidently concluded that Abi was the most likely wolf from it.
Why? Because Abi's votes did not make her look very good.
But you didn't consider more things like why would Abi remove her vote from a partner when signs indicated they were likely to go over? Why vote you but not push you and still verbally express that she was fine with Cannot?

After push back from me, you switched to Roxy.
Sure, Roxy's readslist did not make her great, but looking back, it seems weird that you were so confident about her being mafia too.

Mafia tend to overplay their confidence in order to push their target wagons to elim, but they don't really care about who it is they elim as long as it's not themselves.
Town, on the other hand, can display that same confidence but it takes a fair bit of convincing for them to change their mind.
I think what you displayed yesterday was mafia confidence.

In this post too, you literally just said you thought Dolby was the wolf and voted there. But what are you saying now?
"Unless - you're actually the last wolf", sure, you back out of that really quickly but you said something similar D2 too.
"It ain't falcon" - this isn't part of my point but why is it not falcon?
"I'm cool with Abbi but I'm also aware that she was the other Player in the Salad, and my original other candidate. I have felt good about her since then but I could be wrong." - backtracking on Abi again.

Then suddenly you're confident that Dolby is wolf again.

It's you being willing to backtrack like this - all the while not giving any believable reasons or indicators as to why you would backtrack - coupled with a confidence level on your final target that is inconsistent with the commentary you have about other slots that make me suspect you.

I also tend to find townies have more nuanced and fleshed out reasons for their reads but yours are lacking that special something I think would let me townread you comfortably.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2024 10:58 pm

Dolby wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2024 10:46 pmAlso, how did you shift to thinking it was not Abi over the course of d2?

Combination of her posts didn't make me suspect her, and Lemon felt she was Town I think, which does affect my opinion, and most of all I was so damn sure Roxy was a hit. Like, I told my wife about the reasons like I'm some Mafia pro detective. Like it was a done deal.

(@Roxy Black Rock says "Hi Roxy, I still love you!")

oh but this was the post that made me waver a bit on LC

like, that's so cute
LC wouldn't lie about getting excited and telling his wife about his reads, right?

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2024 11:47 pm

Dolby wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2024 9:45 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:49 pm

Cannoticale wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:44 pm I made a big mistake and don't really have the time to be invested into this game.

That kind of thing engenders the most regret when a Wolf team is counting on you.

[VOTE: Connaticale] aubergine

also think that this vote might be TMI and bussing his teammate. The quote that he's posting is not AI imo and ideally Cannoticale would be expected to be replaced?

No way I will ever bus my teammate in this situation. Cannoticale would have been replaced and that replacement would have had some leeway to stretch their legs, and that would have been far superior. The idea that apologizing as something incriminating would not have entered the thread. I don't even believe that that kind of bussing is worthwhile, and frankly the situation I'm in now is evidence of it. It's just not me.

this is the other post from LC I kind of liked

but then again, I can't put that much trust in self-meta so IDK

Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 10:25 am

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 9:36 am Dolby's posts look pretty good
but more so I'm kind of hyped that someone is affirming my LC scumread

on the other hand, some of LC's posts have made me hesitant
more on that in a bit

Hey

I do got to admit that you being alive is the sole thing causing to hesitate since I think that you are kind of the obvious n2 kill for him

But I think despite that LC is maf

maybe it's too obvious so it became a bad kill

Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 11:39 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 11:36 am If both wolves came in one blind voted be while the other attacked me than they both pulled off for no reason

What the fuck was the plan lol

also that Lemon pulled off of you and then immediately went for Cannot

and I would never bus in this setup because I hate playing solo as wolf

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 11:42 am

Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 11:39 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 11:36 am If both wolves came in one blind voted be while the other attacked me than they both pulled off for no reason

What the fuck was the plan lol

also that Lemon pulled off of you and then immediately went for Cannot

It's good for town cred, isn't it?





Why is a widely TR player, who was sus of a red flip post 1, still alive?




I can think of one reason

you can say the same for LC
I kind of think that's why wilgy was the N2 kill over me

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 3:34 pm

Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 10:25 am

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 9:36 am Dolby's posts look pretty good
but more so I'm kind of hyped that someone is affirming my LC scumread

on the other hand, some of LC's posts have made me hesitant
more on that in a bit

Hey

I do got to admit that you being alive is the sole thing causing to hesitate since I think that you are kind of the obvious n2 kill for him

But I think despite that LC is maf

maybe it's too obvious so it became a bad kill

eh

I think that you're the best kill from probably everyone's perspective except maybe Abi's

weird kill

I honestly would have liked to be NK'd

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2024 10:58 pm

Dolby wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2024 10:46 pmAlso, how did you shift to thinking it was not Abi over the course of d2?

Combination of her posts didn't make me suspect her, and Lemon felt she was Town I think, which does affect my opinion, and most of all I was so damn sure Roxy was a hit. Like, I told my wife about the reasons like I'm some Mafia pro detective. Like it was a done deal.

(@Roxy Black Rock says "Hi Roxy, I still love you!")

She knows I luv her too, sending hugs!! <3

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2024 3:14 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2024 10:45 pm

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2024 6:51 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2024 6:20 pm Why make it harder than it needs to be

because I think it's just LC and I'm multitabling 3 games so I don't want to drag it out another day if we don't need to

Why do you think it's me? Do you think my case against Roxy was fake? It didn't feel fake when I was saying it, it felt like Roxy was lying about me. I don't know why she did that, but I thought there was only one evident reason. I was wrong. I don't see how I have acted like a Wolf at all, and I don't understand this jump.

Unless - and this isn't a threat - you're actually the last Wolf. Then, I have already conceded unless things change a lot. You're the Towniest player I've got. It wasn't Wilgy. It ain't falcon. I'm cool with Abbi but I'm also aware that she was the other Player in the Salad, and my original other candidate. I have felt good about her since then but I could be wrong.

And DarlingMonroe was a nonentity until recently, and now Dolby has arrived with such vigour to save the game. This is the last Wolf, in my opinion. Revitalized.

I think in hindsight, you showed a willingness to vote many people that is inconsistent with the amount of confidence you portrayed in believing they are mafia.

I don't think I did.

For example, you first shaded a bunch of people Cannot didn't mention in their post, which suggested that you can see any of them as a wolf, but then you focused only on the people Cannot mentioned and very confidently concluded that Abi was the most likely wolf from it.

Yes, I started by looking at the way people had voted, and I found that the possibly suspicious votes were too numerous to really use that as a basis for specific suspicion. I have already been over this once, for Dolby, who tried to call it "casting shade on everyone", which it was not.

And you're not quite right, I concluded that Abbi OR Roxy were the most likely wolf from it.

Why? Because Abi's votes did not make her look very good.

Yeah, she voted for me after I came hard at Cannoticale, and I'm sure you understand why that could be suspicious.

But you didn't consider more things like why would Abi remove her vote from a partner when signs indicated they were likely to go over? Why vote you but not push you and still verbally express that she was fine with Cannot?

Well, my brain doesn't think all the thoughts possible all at once. I put it out there early in the day, and there was plenty of time to discuss it - I mean, those are your thoughts, why didn't you think and say them then? Because you thought them now, not then. I'm not going to apologize for all the things I didn't consider yet regarding Abbi's pros and cons, especially since my focus switched to Roxy relatively quickly when you vouched for Abbi.

After push back from me, you switched to Roxy.
Sure, Roxy's readslist did not make her great, but looking back, it seems weird that you were so confident about her being mafia too.

Readslist? I don't really remember anything about that, was that your reason for voting Roxy?

I mean, my reasons have been discussed more than once, in interrogative detail, and I never said anything about a readslist, so forgive me for being slightly confused about that.

Mafia tend to overplay their confidence in order to push their target wagons to elim, but they don't really care about who it is they elim as long as it's not themselves.
Town, on the other hand, can display that same confidence but it takes a fair bit of convincing for them to change their mind.
I think what you displayed yesterday was mafia confidence.

Maybe don't rely on dubious Mafia clichés that you just made up, for starters.

Hey, I can do it, "Mafia tend to act generally like Lemonfairy has acted", which makes you the one acting Mafia-ly, right? LOL good stuff

In this post too, you literally just said you thought Dolby was the wolf and voted there. But what are you saying now?

I'm glad you asked. I've got anew thing I'm saying now. Townreads are out. This is final 5, and frankly falcon and Dolby are not looking like the slam dunks they might have.

"Unless - you're actually the last wolf", sure, you back out of that really quickly but you said something similar D2 too.

Yes, my pride creeps in sometimes and I have to say things like that so, afterward, if you WERE the last wolf, I can at least say "well, I considered it but blah blah blah". And that's a more personal confession than this point warranted. The real answer is that I'm not going to takethis point seriously at all. You're saying that it's Wolfy to sometimes consider that you could be wrong?? Seriously. And just because I didn't choose to pursue it, it's not "backing out". That's you putting a negative spin on it in order to satisfy your bias and feel like you have good points against me.

"It ain't falcon" - this isn't part of my point but why is it not falcon?

...
The context of that post was that "It ain't falcon" that I find the towniest. What are you doing right now, lemon??

"I'm cool with Abbi but I'm also aware that she was the other Player in the Salad, and my original other candidate. I have felt good about her since then but I could be wrong." - backtracking on Abi again.

I'm sorry that putting my thoughts in the thread is too stressful for you but can you please not use the word "backtracking" in context of me again?

Then suddenly you're confident that Dolby is wolf again.

SO SUDDEN, right at the end of me considering other options was it? WOW I really took you all for a spin, didn't I, with the WHIRLWIND SURPRISE TURNABOUT that it was still actually Dolby I suspected most!

It's you being willing to backtrack like this - all the while not giving any believable reasons or indicators as to why you would backtrack - coupled with a confidence level on your final target that is inconsistent with the commentary you have about other slots that make me suspect you.

Holy moley, there it is again. Jesus, twice. Yeah, I'm done.

I'm your backtracking Wolf you've been looking for all along. You were confused for a time because you didn't yet know that you have to follow my tracks BACKWARD to nab me. Oh ho ho what a merry chase. I'm not doing this again in F3. Vote me out now.

?? what even was that post?

I'm not going to comment on it because you're obviously very riled up
maybe take a breather or something

Also known as "I'm not reading that".

I have to take some time to figure out how I should be reading this