The Syndicate

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:43 pm Sure. I don't fucking want to get lynched, and dizzy's vote made it a likelihood so I'm fighting back. Maybe that means my tone changed; is that suspicious? No it's trying to win the damn game.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:44 pm Where the hell is Scotty anyway? I don't see him fighting anymore now that I'm in the spotlight. He's sitting back and letting you two make a stupid choice.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:39 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:38 pm Imma vote what Jimmey votes.

/cop out. <3

That's necessary by the numbers, but you better stick around and keep providing your takes. This isn't my responsibility alone. Help.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:36 pm Don't make the same mistake we made with Quin. If Scotty wins having narrowly avoided two consecutive lynches because you chickened out I will be pissed.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:49 pm Charlie's perspective would really be nice.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:50 pm Is your reasoning right now just tone? Do you have any actual reason to think I'm Colin's teammate? Is it better than the argument for Scotty being Colin's teammate? I want you both to think critically about this and not just dismiss me based on my tone right now.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:48 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:36 pm Don't make the same mistake we made with Quin. If Scotty wins having narrowly avoided two consecutive lynches because you chickened out I will be pissed.

Who's chickening out? Why can't you just be more suspicious than Scotty is?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:49 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:49 pm Charlie's perspective would really be nice.

Not to mention if that vote doesn't move, we're going to have a tie.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:51 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:50 pm Is your reasoning right now just tone? Do you have any actual reason to think I'm Colin's teammate? Is it better than the argument for Scotty being Colin's teammate? I want you both to think critically about this and not just dismiss me based on my tone right now.

Of course it isn't just tone. There's a pretty obvious case to be made against you, and you've already seen it like four times. This is just the most recent infraction.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:51 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:48 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:36 pm Don't make the same mistake we made with Quin. If Scotty wins having narrowly avoided two consecutive lynches because you chickened out I will be pissed.

Who's chickening out? Why can't you just be more suspicious than Scotty is?

You and marmot chickened out yesterday on switching to Scotty. We can't let him slide past another lynch.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:53 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:51 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:50 pm Is your reasoning right now just tone? Do you have any actual reason to think I'm Colin's teammate? Is it better than the argument for Scotty being Colin's teammate? I want you both to think critically about this and not just dismiss me based on my tone right now.

Of course it isn't just tone. There's a pretty obvious case to be made against you, and you've already seen it like four times. This is just the most recent infraction.

Is there? Really? All I've seen is that I waffle a lot and that Colin made one weird wifom post about me. Whereas Scotty claimed to suspect him all game but never did anything with it.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 2:10 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 1:08 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:31 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:56 amI’ll reevaluate you if we have to. From what I saw in my read back, your defense of Colin was so egregious and it looked to me like you were trying to save him. I acknowledge that this could have been just confused civ behavior

Are you for real? I was bashing my head thinking BOTH looked terrible. I was not focusing on defending one over the other, I was focused on making up my own mind about the issue, trying to make the right decision. I thought I had made the right decision (though the lynch was wrong) after the fact for Marmot's fucking clap post and Colin saying he was town. You were the one actually coming up with points against Marmot and voting Marmot. That is active defense and sway in thread. I was making up my own mind because it was hell. This isn't flying at all.

Quick question:

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 9:34 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 9:33 pm

Or you can tell me. I deserve it.

In your response to Marmot's clap you still appear uncertain -- you're asking for the answer. Does this mesh with the highlighted portion above?

It doesn’t work in a straight line. Especially at that point. If I see a clap post I don’t immediately have the full and total scope of what that means to me. I just wanted someone to tell me at that point.

Spoiler: show

Clap back?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:53 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:51 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:48 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:36 pm Don't make the same mistake we made with Quin. If Scotty wins having narrowly avoided two consecutive lynches because you chickened out I will be pissed.

Who's chickening out? Why can't you just be more suspicious than Scotty is?

You and marmot chickened out yesterday on switching to Scotty. We can't let him slide past another lynch.

Does his survival of the Day 5 lynch mean he is more likely to be a mafioso?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:54 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:53 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:51 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:50 pm Is your reasoning right now just tone? Do you have any actual reason to think I'm Colin's teammate? Is it better than the argument for Scotty being Colin's teammate? I want you both to think critically about this and not just dismiss me based on my tone right now.

Of course it isn't just tone. There's a pretty obvious case to be made against you, and you've already seen it like four times. This is just the most recent infraction.

Is there? Really? All I've seen is that I waffle a lot and that Colin made one weird wifom post about me. Whereas Scotty claimed to suspect him all game but never did anything with it.

I don't think it's "nutella waffles a lot".

It's that "nutella follows thread momentum in whichever direction is most convenient at all times, and her hunting efforts have been mostly limited to those climatic and atmospheric trends -- opportunism everywhere."

I don't care about Colin's WIFOM.

Charlie Blackmon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:57 pm Also, please, again, mentioning me does nothing. I get no notifications of any kind when you do this. I don't see anything until I log in, and I read everything first that came before anyway. This is the first time all day I've had a chance to sit down. I'm begging here.

Charlie Blackmon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:57 pm Also, please, again, mentioning me does nothing. I get no notifications of any kind when you do this. I don't see anything until I log in, and I read everything first that came before anyway. This is the first time all day I've had a chance to sit down. I'm begging here.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:13 pm I think Jimmey's overthinking kind of playstyle isn't matching mine well. I don't play well when I think a lot.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:11 pm nutella, what's the most civilian thing about your play and the most mafia thing about Scotty's play? One of each is all I ask.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:19 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:13 pm I think Jimmey's overthinking kind of playstyle isn't matching mine well. I don't play well when I think a lot.

I find myself shifting back toward Scotty. It seems as though he discarded you as a suspect because I wouldn't let him continue as opposed to because he no longer thought it was the right direction to go. That's part of The Theory remaining unresolved on his end too. I don't know what his obligations are in real life, but it's very difficult with him gone right now.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:19 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:11 pm nutella, what's the most civilian thing about your play and the most mafia thing about Scotty's play? One of each is all I ask.

My reactiveness/changing my mind a lot in the moment in order to turn over every stone and not let anyone get away without scrutiny.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:55 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:53 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:51 pm The simplest universe is that Scotty read the writing on the wall re: Dizzy and realized that his only out was to go for nutella.

Well yeah. If he was town understanding that he had done fucked up, why not say that? Why not comment on it? Why just the "oh, but it could also be Nut but it could be Dizzy but Jimmey is defending him and I don't know, I'll go for Nut" and then continue to drag Nut instead. Doesn't make town sense at all to me.

That in particular is bugging me. If we remove the theory from the equation as Scotty has been inclined to do, then I don't know why my perspective of Dizzy means anything about Dizzy's alignment beyond sometimes JJJ is right about things. It recalls the weird incident with MP and Scotty's perceived red check -- behaving as though I have information on Dizzy when I clearly cannot.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:22 pm I’m back

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:55 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:53 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:51 pm The simplest universe is that Scotty read the writing on the wall re: Dizzy and realized that his only out was to go for nutella.

Well yeah. If he was town understanding that he had done fucked up, why not say that? Why not comment on it? Why just the "oh, but it could also be Nut but it could be Dizzy but Jimmey is defending him and I don't know, I'll go for Nut" and then continue to drag Nut instead. Doesn't make town sense at all to me.

That in particular is bugging me. If we remove the theory from the equation as Scotty has been inclined to do, then I don't know why my perspective of Dizzy means anything about Dizzy's alignment beyond sometimes JJJ is right about things. It recalls the weird incident with MP and Scotty's perceived red check -- behaving as though I have information on Dizzy when I clearly cannot.

It’s more of ‘jjj has been deadfastly hesitant to vote for Dys and at the end of the day, I’m not getting any support. So I might just have to swallow my pride and say I’m probably wrong’

I don’t like being wrong y’all, and I really like winning

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:20 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:19 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:11 pm nutella, what's the most civilian thing about your play and the most mafia thing about Scotty's play? One of each is all I ask.

My reactiveness/changing my mind a lot in the moment in order to turn over every stone and not let anyone get away without scrutiny.

Do you think this kind of thing is less prevalent in your posts when you are mafia?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:24 pm Yes, I think so. The pattern might not hold for every game, I think you pointed out that my perception of my style was not consistent with another game or two, but I believe it generally holds because when I'm mafia I try to show more confidence (lately in cases on teammates, see MK and FE), while as town without knowledge I flop around like a fish looking for the best case. And it holds this game.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:10 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:01 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jun 02, 2018 10:48 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 02, 2018 10:31 pm Difficult decisions ahead. If you, dear reader, are a civilian, I'd better see fire and dragons. I will do my part.

Not a difficult decision for me lol. If only you could see it from my perspective... I guess my responsibility is to try as hard as I can to get you to see it from my perspective. I do feel that my ISO of Scotty points out a lot of convincing arguments though so I'd recommend starting there.

This wasn't a difficult decision for you on Night 5. Your behavior on Day 6 doesn't align with that proclamation.

Oh right I was convinced it was either Quin or Scotty then and second guessed you early day 6.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jun 03, 2018 11:17 pm

Charlie Blackmon wrote: ↑Sun Jun 03, 2018 11:02 pm [VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

He doesn't get a free pass. Look at his posts and decide.

he does not, and I will. I have a lot of reason to believe it is scotty though.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:27 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:24 pm Yes, I think so. The pattern might not hold for every game, I think you pointed out that my perception of my style was not consistent with another game or two, but I believe it generally holds because when I'm mafia I try to show more confidence (lately in cases on teammates, see MK and FE), while as town without knowledge I flop around like a fish looking for the best case. And it holds this game.

Fish flop was what you were criticized for in FE though.

Idkidkidk

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:30 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:10 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:01 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jun 02, 2018 10:48 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 02, 2018 10:31 pm Difficult decisions ahead. If you, dear reader, are a civilian, I'd better see fire and dragons. I will do my part.

Not a difficult decision for me lol. If only you could see it from my perspective... I guess my responsibility is to try as hard as I can to get you to see it from my perspective. I do feel that my ISO of Scotty points out a lot of convincing arguments though so I'd recommend starting there.

This wasn't a difficult decision for you on Night 5. Your behavior on Day 6 doesn't align with that proclamation.

Oh right I was convinced it was either Quin or Scotty then and second guessed you early day 6.

After Epi voted for him, and you had the wake up call.

Epi votes JJJ at the beginning of the phase

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jun 03, 2018 11:17 pm

Charlie Blackmon wrote: ↑Sun Jun 03, 2018 11:02 pm [VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

He doesn't get a free pass. Look at his posts and decide.

he does not, and I will. I have a lot of reason to believe it is scotty though.

Followed by the “slept on it” post in the morning, before I was to look at your case. You saw that the window was narrowing and you expanded your suspects since someone had suspected jjj, gave you an opportunity. Whereas before, why not just keep the vote on me? You needed to keep up appearances

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:12 pm Seriously I actually believe that was a slip. Scotty is under a lot of pressure and that phrasing came from a place of frustration and does not sound like a townie talking about the town. Maybe I'm wrong but I believe that shit happens.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:33 pm nutella, you were 50/50 or 60/40 on Scotty/JJJ. At what moment did you decide that the "40" was no longer worth investigating, and that the lynch must be the 60?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:31 pm @Scotty for the love of bob man, please answer the question.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:36 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:33 pm nutella, you were 50/50 or 60/40 on Scotty/JJJ. At what moment did you decide that the "40" was no longer worth investigating, and that the lynch must be the 60?

When it became clear that you and Dizzy also leaned toward Scotty and were otherwise only considering me/it was going to be between me and Scotty anyway since Dizzy would not even consider voting for you. It's like something Dizzy said around the same time -- if we're all slightly leaning toward the same player, lynching that player is the best option we have.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:37 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:36 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:33 pm nutella, you were 50/50 or 60/40 on Scotty/JJJ. At what moment did you decide that the "40" was no longer worth investigating, and that the lynch must be the 60?

When it became clear that you and Dizzy also leaned toward Scotty and were otherwise only considering me/it was going to be between me and Scotty anyway since Dizzy would not even consider voting for you. It's like something Dizzy said around the same time -- if we're all slightly leaning toward the same player, lynching that player is the best option we have.

It looked to me like that shift really occurred when you took two more votes.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:44 pm Where the hell is Scotty anyway? I don't see him fighting anymore now that I'm in the spotlight. He's sitting back and letting you two make a stupid choice.