Re: King of the Hill Mafia
Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:14 pm
Anyways, I gtg. If yall have any questions ping me, and I will try to see if I can answer them before EoD if I get the chance, but no promises.
Lock mafiaLilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:14 pmim playing leaguePorscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:11 pmhey thanks! *pokes you with stick* do something :3Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:10 pmi rly like the clarity you give in replies using the colors its rly nicePorscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:07 pmit's funny you brought that up, I had forgotten about it, but I thought it was weird as hell and kinda scummy in the moment when I read it. like come on spf, defend your teammate harder. lolstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:44 pmwhen boq was being wagoned by a plurality of the game on d1 and i was the only person in the game townreading him (more or less), he went out of his way to attack me and try to push on me because he was mad that i wasn't defending him strongly enough. i thought that looked really towny for boq because it showed a lack of self-preservation intent and was a play that would risk alienating the one person defending him at a time when he was clearly desperate/frustrated with the gamestateDrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:38 pmI'd like to know what makes Boq a strong town read. I'm also surprised to not see Porscha as a town read.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:31 pm
it basically means "this is my list of strong townreads and if i'm misreading anyone in this list it's only one of them"
he has also been the only person in the game to echo my exact thought process about aliso ntoday and echo a similar frustration with the stagnation of the gamestate, his interactions with you look like they come more from a frustrated villager than someone playing with a wolf agenda, etc etc. i also generally just feel like boq doesn't have many friends in this game and has been playing on his own little island, which is usually town indicative as well
lucy pushing on boq is actually makign me doubt myself but i do think that boq is more likely to be town than not
inb4 I remake "must be hard to be part of the informed minority" joke and tilt boq
I can agree to thisstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:27 pmyeah
i think that regardless of alison's alignment, today is the day where the wolves have the perfect excuse to slank and just wait for the dayphase to end, which makes boq's restlessness about the rest of the game being stagnant and his (i was gonna say "petty" but i dont wanna sound mean but ...kind of petty/OMGUSy) engagement with drwilgy feel unnecessary in a way that is probably town indicative for him
might be a bad read but i kind of believe it
uuuuh idk here is my brain fog half ass liststaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:29 pm also porscha what does ur view of the game look like rn? who do u think the mafia are? i realized that you've probably been one of the most engaged/active players posting in the thread today but that i have no idea what your view of the game looks like
it's harder when multiple people have done the "ah well nothing to do today really since alison is just going over regardless" so. less content to work withstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:47 pm oh and i think porscha has been posting towny today but i didn't put her on my townlist because i ultimately don't have a clear sense of what her view of the game looks like and i don't see any evidence that the stuff she's posting that looks ~good~ in the moment is helping to create a broader perspective on the game, so i dont really have any reasons to call her town with confidence. she's not really my top priority when looking for wolves right now though
This is a normal amount of activity for me, and a reasonable activity level for day 3Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:23 pmuuuuh idk here is my brain fog half ass liststaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:29 pm also porscha what does ur view of the game look like rn? who do u think the mafia are? i realized that you've probably been one of the most engaged/active players posting in the thread today but that i have no idea what your view of the game looks like
lucy town
sean probs town but I realized it would be easy for him to emulate his TR stuff so now the ? is there
nook idk slanking even harder than usual
lily is liiiiikkee idk I thought she was probs town from the day 1 vote thing but I felt she has provided little since then to make me continue believing this
aro likely town
I liked rondo's first day but today I no like!
spf idk wolf equity is possible but very uncertain on how i feel
wilgy town
boq looked townier from his interaction with wilgy imo, though I see lucy disagrees
uh... mm... is that everyone? lol feel like me forget someone but me lazy and dont wanna pull up player list and I will not tier it properly and rondo will have to accept my lazy formatting
end of day is like 2 1/2 hours away, what do you thinkLilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:14 pmim playing leaguePorscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:11 pmhey thanks! *pokes you with stick* do something :3Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:10 pmi rly like the clarity you give in replies using the colors its rly nicePorscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:07 pmit's funny you brought that up, I had forgotten about it, but I thought it was weird as hell and kinda scummy in the moment when I read it. like come on spf, defend your teammate harder. lolstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:44 pmwhen boq was being wagoned by a plurality of the game on d1 and i was the only person in the game townreading him (more or less), he went out of his way to attack me and try to push on me because he was mad that i wasn't defending him strongly enough. i thought that looked really towny for boq because it showed a lack of self-preservation intent and was a play that would risk alienating the one person defending him at a time when he was clearly desperate/frustrated with the gamestateDrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:38 pmI'd like to know what makes Boq a strong town read. I'm also surprised to not see Porscha as a town read.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:31 pm
it basically means "this is my list of strong townreads and if i'm misreading anyone in this list it's only one of them"
he has also been the only person in the game to echo my exact thought process about aliso ntoday and echo a similar frustration with the stagnation of the gamestate, his interactions with you look like they come more from a frustrated villager than someone playing with a wolf agenda, etc etc. i also generally just feel like boq doesn't have many friends in this game and has been playing on his own little island, which is usually town indicative as well
lucy pushing on boq is actually makign me doubt myself but i do think that boq is more likely to be town than not
inb4 I remake "must be hard to be part of the informed minority" joke and tilt boq
maybe I just wish it was more ;(NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:30 pmThis is a normal amount of activity for me, and a reasonable activity level for day 3Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:23 pmuuuuh idk here is my brain fog half ass liststaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:29 pm also porscha what does ur view of the game look like rn? who do u think the mafia are? i realized that you've probably been one of the most engaged/active players posting in the thread today but that i have no idea what your view of the game looks like
lucy town
sean probs town but I realized it would be easy for him to emulate his TR stuff so now the ? is there
nook idk slanking even harder than usual
lily is liiiiikkee idk I thought she was probs town from the day 1 vote thing but I felt she has provided little since then to make me continue believing this
aro likely town
I liked rondo's first day but today I no like!
spf idk wolf equity is possible but very uncertain on how i feel
wilgy town
boq looked townier from his interaction with wilgy imo, though I see lucy disagrees
uh... mm... is that everyone? lol feel like me forget someone but me lazy and dont wanna pull up player list and I will not tier it properly and rondo will have to accept my lazy formatting
wolf in aro/spf leaning on spf atm waiting for the day to end to see where we're atPorscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:41 pmend of day is like 2 1/2 hours away, what do you thinkLilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:14 pmim playing leaguePorscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:11 pmhey thanks! *pokes you with stick* do something :3Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:10 pmi rly like the clarity you give in replies using the colors its rly nicePorscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:07 pmit's funny you brought that up, I had forgotten about it, but I thought it was weird as hell and kinda scummy in the moment when I read it. like come on spf, defend your teammate harder. lolstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:44 pmwhen boq was being wagoned by a plurality of the game on d1 and i was the only person in the game townreading him (more or less), he went out of his way to attack me and try to push on me because he was mad that i wasn't defending him strongly enough. i thought that looked really towny for boq because it showed a lack of self-preservation intent and was a play that would risk alienating the one person defending him at a time when he was clearly desperate/frustrated with the gamestate
he has also been the only person in the game to echo my exact thought process about aliso ntoday and echo a similar frustration with the stagnation of the gamestate, his interactions with you look like they come more from a frustrated villager than someone playing with a wolf agenda, etc etc. i also generally just feel like boq doesn't have many friends in this game and has been playing on his own little island, which is usually town indicative as well
lucy pushing on boq is actually makign me doubt myself but i do think that boq is more likely to be town than not
inb4 I remake "must be hard to be part of the informed minority" joke and tilt boq
If wishes were fishes I'd be having a tuna steakPorscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:42 pmmaybe I just wish it was more ;(NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:30 pmThis is a normal amount of activity for me, and a reasonable activity level for day 3Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:23 pmuuuuh idk here is my brain fog half ass liststaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:29 pm also porscha what does ur view of the game look like rn? who do u think the mafia are? i realized that you've probably been one of the most engaged/active players posting in the thread today but that i have no idea what your view of the game looks like
lucy town
sean probs town but I realized it would be easy for him to emulate his TR stuff so now the ? is there
nook idk slanking even harder than usual
lily is liiiiikkee idk I thought she was probs town from the day 1 vote thing but I felt she has provided little since then to make me continue believing this
aro likely town
I liked rondo's first day but today I no like!
spf idk wolf equity is possible but very uncertain on how i feel
wilgy town
boq looked townier from his interaction with wilgy imo, though I see lucy disagrees
uh... mm... is that everyone? lol feel like me forget someone but me lazy and dont wanna pull up player list and I will not tier it properly and rondo will have to accept my lazy formatting
why and whyLilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:44 pmwolf in aro/spf leaning on spf atm waiting for the day to end to see where we're atPorscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:41 pmend of day is like 2 1/2 hours away, what do you thinkLilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:14 pmim playing leaguePorscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:11 pmhey thanks! *pokes you with stick* do something :3Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:10 pmi rly like the clarity you give in replies using the colors its rly nicePorscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:07 pmit's funny you brought that up, I had forgotten about it, but I thought it was weird as hell and kinda scummy in the moment when I read it. like come on spf, defend your teammate harder. lolstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:44 pm
when boq was being wagoned by a plurality of the game on d1 and i was the only person in the game townreading him (more or less), he went out of his way to attack me and try to push on me because he was mad that i wasn't defending him strongly enough. i thought that looked really towny for boq because it showed a lack of self-preservation intent and was a play that would risk alienating the one person defending him at a time when he was clearly desperate/frustrated with the gamestate
he has also been the only person in the game to echo my exact thought process about aliso ntoday and echo a similar frustration with the stagnation of the gamestate, his interactions with you look like they come more from a frustrated villager than someone playing with a wolf agenda, etc etc. i also generally just feel like boq doesn't have many friends in this game and has been playing on his own little island, which is usually town indicative as well
lucy pushing on boq is actually makign me doubt myself but i do think that boq is more likely to be town than not
inb4 I remake "must be hard to be part of the informed minority" joke and tilt boq
weak sauceLilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:44 pmwolf in aro/spf leaning on spf atm waiting for the day to end to see where we're atPorscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:41 pmend of day is like 2 1/2 hours away, what do you thinkLilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:14 pmim playing leaguePorscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:11 pmhey thanks! *pokes you with stick* do something :3Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:10 pmi rly like the clarity you give in replies using the colors its rly nicePorscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:07 pmit's funny you brought that up, I had forgotten about it, but I thought it was weird as hell and kinda scummy in the moment when I read it. like come on spf, defend your teammate harder. lolstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:44 pm
when boq was being wagoned by a plurality of the game on d1 and i was the only person in the game townreading him (more or less), he went out of his way to attack me and try to push on me because he was mad that i wasn't defending him strongly enough. i thought that looked really towny for boq because it showed a lack of self-preservation intent and was a play that would risk alienating the one person defending him at a time when he was clearly desperate/frustrated with the gamestate
he has also been the only person in the game to echo my exact thought process about aliso ntoday and echo a similar frustration with the stagnation of the gamestate, his interactions with you look like they come more from a frustrated villager than someone playing with a wolf agenda, etc etc. i also generally just feel like boq doesn't have many friends in this game and has been playing on his own little island, which is usually town indicative as well
lucy pushing on boq is actually makign me doubt myself but i do think that boq is more likely to be town than not
inb4 I remake "must be hard to be part of the informed minority" joke and tilt boq
cuz in my eyes you saved alison from dying day 1 and put us into this gamestate more than anyone else and the wolf motivation is obvious as if alison flips v we have wasted 3 days and let 6 townies die. meanwhile i think aro diff than his wolf meta and I've liked most of his posts over this phase.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:52 pmwhy and whyLilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:44 pmwolf in aro/spf leaning on spf atm waiting for the day to end to see where we're atPorscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:41 pmend of day is like 2 1/2 hours away, what do you thinkLilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:14 pmim playing leaguePorscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:11 pmhey thanks! *pokes you with stick* do something :3Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:10 pmi rly like the clarity you give in replies using the colors its rly nicePorscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:07 pm
it's funny you brought that up, I had forgotten about it, but I thought it was weird as hell and kinda scummy in the moment when I read it. like come on spf, defend your teammate harder. lol
inb4 I remake "must be hard to be part of the informed minority" joke and tilt boq
why are u like thisPorscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:53 pmweak sauceLilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:44 pmwolf in aro/spf leaning on spf atm waiting for the day to end to see where we're atPorscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:41 pmend of day is like 2 1/2 hours away, what do you thinkLilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:14 pmim playing leaguePorscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:11 pmhey thanks! *pokes you with stick* do something :3Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:10 pmi rly like the clarity you give in replies using the colors its rly nicePorscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:07 pm
it's funny you brought that up, I had forgotten about it, but I thought it was weird as hell and kinda scummy in the moment when I read it. like come on spf, defend your teammate harder. lol
inb4 I remake "must be hard to be part of the informed minority" joke and tilt boq
there doesn't need to be i just have been sus of both of you and have spent this phase determining your alignmentsstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:59 pm but why does there need to be a maf between us in the first place? it feels to me like you're putting us in a dichotomy for no reason
favorite alcoholic drink?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:55 pmA refreshing glass of room temperature milk (from a cow, not a human)
because i'm trying to let you know of my distaste for your slot rnLilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:59 pmwhy are u like this
and yet no results ehLilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:00 pmthere doesn't need to be i just have been sus of both of you and have spent this phase determining your alignmentsstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:59 pm but why does there need to be a maf between us in the first place? it feels to me like you're putting us in a dichotomy for no reason
How were they weird?Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:13 pmI think your interactions with rondo were weird too, nook and lucy just low posting to warrant your poe?
i respect u but like ur not my momPorscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:13 pmbecause i'm trying to let you know of my distaste for your slot rn
if you ignore my other post yeahPorscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:14 pmand yet no results ehLilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:00 pmthere doesn't need to be i just have been sus of both of you and have spent this phase determining your alignmentsstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:59 pm but why does there need to be a maf between us in the first place? it feels to me like you're putting us in a dichotomy for no reason
am I wolf, town, or 3p (mom)Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:16 pmi respect u but like ur not my mom
i am like a small boulder and i am about to begin rolling good jobPorscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:18 pmam I wolf, town, or 3p (mom)
lol jokes aside
just pressuring you b/c I feel like I need to
well you were at spf being 50/50 maf, which is as uncertain as possible. what's aro at?Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:17 pmif you ignore my other post yeahPorscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:14 pmand yet no results ehLilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:00 pmthere doesn't need to be i just have been sus of both of you and have spent this phase determining your alignmentsstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:59 pm but why does there need to be a maf between us in the first place? it feels to me like you're putting us in a dichotomy for no reason
may I interest you in a small but steep hill for the low low price of a scrumread?Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:19 pmi am like a small boulder and i am about to begin rolling good jobPorscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:18 pmam I wolf, town, or 3p (mom)
lol jokes aside
just pressuring you b/c I feel like I need to
I imagine there would be re evaluation at the least if x happens and then y happens and what notLilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:18 pm problem is @lucy i don't think ur scum list contains a single scum still
like okay if alison flips v where do you go? tunnel me and flip me v? then where do you go? isn't the game like almost over at that point and u just tunnel boq another town and lose the game? or i guess win the game if you're suggesting that poe
okay zaddy with a ... zatitude.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:15 pmHow were they weird?Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:13 pmI think your interactions with rondo were weird too, nook and lucy just low posting to warrant your poe?
Come on instead of just stating something blandly lets hear a reason
@RondoDimBuckle before boq's thing with wilgy I felt like this could have been w/w interactions. but now since i think boq can have a little town read as a treat, it's doubtful.Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:41 amnaturally tbhRondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:38 amThat said if you are wolf here, how I treat you will change.Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:35 amI like this tbh, Rondo understands meRondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:28 amBoq has a process, he has earned the right for me to not interfere for a day or two since I rate him.arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:27 amI also somewhat realized Boq, you and I had a very similar perspective as well with our reads list. What did you think about Rondo commenting only on my reads list post being middle of the run when we shared a similar perspective, but not on yours?Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:20 amYou aren't clearRondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:14 pm
Nah ive been mostly ignoring today since I am so clear there is no point trying to appear towny. Its obvious Alison is going over so any pressure we apply to anyone else is pointless because they wont feel it and anything wolves do will be anti spew if Alison is going over and is wolf and if she is town then I can re-assess
But to answer your question. You had the same read list as me is exactly why I said your reads were middle of the road. No spice to them just nice and similar to mine to not draw attention, considering I was one of the more vocal voices yesterday in guiding town to creatures execution. I blame me not finding creature on me not really knowing his pressure response. Ill have to do some adjusting and re-reading after this game.
I do not remember Rondo interacting much with you on your perspective/reads list as much.
which ones? Again not specificPorscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:32 pmI have abhorred rondo's posting today. like to the point he is lucky I cannot vig him. can you explain rondo town locklucy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:30 pmno, lily/boq has 1-2staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:22 pm my current "one wolf maximum" pool is probably arogame, boquise, lilypetal, and possibly lucy but i'm waiting for her to post more today before i make up my mind on that. does anyone have any thoughts on who within that pool i might be misreading or clearing incorrectly?
aro and rondo are locktown imo
I know, I was serious in my responseBoquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:36 pmi was sorta serious with the gun tbhPorscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:32 pmI have abhorred rondo's posting today. like to the point he is lucky I cannot vig him. can you explain rondo town locklucy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:30 pmno, lily/boq has 1-2staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:22 pm my current "one wolf maximum" pool is probably arogame, boquise, lilypetal, and possibly lucy but i'm waiting for her to post more today before i make up my mind on that. does anyone have any thoughts on who within that pool i might be misreading or clearing incorrectly?
aro and rondo are locktown imo
Hahaha, if Alison w Rondo if Alsion v Rondo. Geniutharogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:59 pm Hey what up? Won't be around for EoD
so I wanted to leave a quick legacy incase
If Alison flips mafia,
Porscha, Seanzie town
leaning town on Lucy, SPF, and Boq
Lily/Rondo/Nanook/Wilgy
If Alison flips town,
Lucy, Seanzie town
leaning town on Porscha, Lily, and Nanook
POE: Rondo/Boq/SPF/Wilgy
ok and? What was the point of this post? Why the @? You have so many question marks but no questionPorscha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:24 pm@RondoDimBuckle before boq's thing with wilgy I felt like this could have been w/w interactions. but now since i think boq can have a little town read as a treat, it's doubtful.Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:41 amnaturally tbhRondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:38 amThat said if you are wolf here, how I treat you will change.Boquise wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:35 amI like this tbh, Rondo understands meRondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:28 amBoq has a process, he has earned the right for me to not interfere for a day or two since I rate him.arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:27 amI also somewhat realized Boq, you and I had a very similar perspective as well with our reads list. What did you think about Rondo commenting only on my reads list post being middle of the run when we shared a similar perspective, but not on yours?
I do not remember Rondo interacting much with you on your perspective/reads list as much.
maybe it's your tone? like a broader sense of how you are going about today? idk just throwing me off I guess. lucy has strong TR on you so i'm taking my distaste of your slot today with a grain of salt