King of the Hill Mafia

[arogame123]

Chicken Salad

[RondoDimBuckle]

This just feels like a pocket attempt

[arogame123]

This just feels like a pocket attempt

Lol, usually pocket attempts include some form of a tr or something like that.

[arogame123]

I was about to make an out-of-pocket joke, no pun intended, but decided to refrain lol.

[Porscha]

@Porscha I think there's likely a mafia in you/lily/alison based on how interactions have gone this game compared to in misplay mafia, I think its probably you based on your play there compared to here, im not entirely sure but you definitely seem different to me, particularly when both overlapped, so

/shrug I dont think it's been that different, but maybe it has. If it is, I dont know why or how. I am taking JJJ's advice and trying to articulate things better rather than slipping into catty mode that comes off as self righteous but I cant think of anything else, really. I also think there is at least one wolf between me lily and alison. I'm not sure I have a stronger opinion on which of alison or lily is more likely wolf right now, though. I'll chew on it some more but I'm gonna be working for a while so I'll get more in depth later

If alison flips red i don't think you're paired so that would get me off you

Idk I...Basically I think you're the most likely mafia of the three but I wouldn't be surprised if you're town either. Honestly you thinking there's one between lily and alison makes me feel better about that grouping too lol

I also sort of don't understand why you think it's weird for me not to find you quickly when you acknowledge you've made a change in style/presentation lol

I guess I just didn't realize it was particularly noticeable. lol

[Porscha]

Current thoughts:
Dreading the Mac review even though I should.

Boq and Seanzie have a weird dynamic.

Nook and Porscha have a weird dynamic.

SPF and Alison have a weird dynamic.

I think there is likely a wolf in SPF, Alison, Boq or Sean.

Forcing Boq vs Sean I feel would be interesting, but unknown if this is wise.

Solving the wagonomics of Alison could crack the game open, but I doubt it. Lucy, Rondo, Nook aren't slots that I personally would be able to solve even if Alison flipped W.

A rough game it is.

Sean is town so that would be disastrous

my eyebrow is raised

[Boquise]

@RondoDimBuckle Did you explain why you thought my reads were middle of the run when you had the exact same tier/list as I did?

Nah ive been mostly ignoring today since I am so clear there is no point trying to appear towny. Its obvious Alison is going over so any pressure we apply to anyone else is pointless because they wont feel it and anything wolves do will be anti spew if Alison is going over and is wolf and if she is town then I can re-assess

But to answer your question. You had the same read list as me is exactly why I said your reads were middle of the road. No spice to them just nice and similar to mine to not draw attention, considering I was one of the more vocal voices yesterday in guiding town to creatures execution. I blame me not finding creature on me not really knowing his pressure response. Ill have to do some adjusting and re-reading after this game.

You aren't clear

You kidding me? That Mac kill I would NEVER Make and if I was on the wolf team I would veto it. If I was wolf this game I had Mac completely snowed, I have Lucy completely snowed. I dont want them gone even to solidify worldviews. You were in HR you should know this.

Wasnt Mac the N1 kill in HR?

[Boquise]

Current thoughts:
Dreading the Mac review even though I should.

Boq and Seanzie have a weird dynamic.

Nook and Porscha have a weird dynamic.

SPF and Alison have a weird dynamic.

I think there is likely a wolf in SPF, Alison, Boq or Sean.

Forcing Boq vs Sean I feel would be interesting, but unknown if this is wise.

Solving the wagonomics of Alison could crack the game open, but I doubt it. Lucy, Rondo, Nook aren't slots that I personally would be able to solve even if Alison flipped W.

A rough game it is.

Sean is town so that would be disastrous

my eyebrow is raised

Why?

[Boquise]

@RondoDimBuckle Did you explain why you thought my reads were middle of the run when you had the exact same tier/list as I did?

Nah ive been mostly ignoring today since I am so clear there is no point trying to appear towny. Its obvious Alison is going over so any pressure we apply to anyone else is pointless because they wont feel it and anything wolves do will be anti spew if Alison is going over and is wolf and if she is town then I can re-assess

But to answer your question. You had the same read list as me is exactly why I said your reads were middle of the road. No spice to them just nice and similar to mine to not draw attention, considering I was one of the more vocal voices yesterday in guiding town to creatures execution. I blame me not finding creature on me not really knowing his pressure response. Ill have to do some adjusting and re-reading after this game.

You aren't clear

I also somewhat realized Boq, you and I had a very similar perspective as well with our reads list. What did you think about Rondo commenting only on my reads list post being middle of the run when we shared a similar perspective, but not on yours?

I do not remember Rondo interacting much with you on your perspective/reads list as much.

I havent really thought about it tbh
I dont know how to read Rondo in this game so all that is kinda null (I also dont think it is AI to just comment on one read list and not the other, considering it is easy to just miss stuff).

Rondo didnt like during D2 that I did not have him high on my read list tbh

[Boquise]

@RondoDimBuckle Did you explain why you thought my reads were middle of the run when you had the exact same tier/list as I did?

Nah ive been mostly ignoring today since I am so clear there is no point trying to appear towny. Its obvious Alison is going over so any pressure we apply to anyone else is pointless because they wont feel it and anything wolves do will be anti spew if Alison is going over and is wolf and if she is town then I can re-assess

But to answer your question. You had the same read list as me is exactly why I said your reads were middle of the road. No spice to them just nice and similar to mine to not draw attention, considering I was one of the more vocal voices yesterday in guiding town to creatures execution. I blame me not finding creature on me not really knowing his pressure response. Ill have to do some adjusting and re-reading after this game.

You aren't clear

I also somewhat realized Boq, you and I had a very similar perspective as well with our reads list. What did you think about Rondo commenting only on my reads list post being middle of the run when we shared a similar perspective, but not on yours?

I do not remember Rondo interacting much with you on your perspective/reads list as much.

Boq has a process, he has earned the right for me to not interfere for a day or two since I rate him.

I like this tbh, Rondo understands me

[RondoDimBuckle]

@RondoDimBuckle Did you explain why you thought my reads were middle of the run when you had the exact same tier/list as I did?

Nah ive been mostly ignoring today since I am so clear there is no point trying to appear towny. Its obvious Alison is going over so any pressure we apply to anyone else is pointless because they wont feel it and anything wolves do will be anti spew if Alison is going over and is wolf and if she is town then I can re-assess

But to answer your question. You had the same read list as me is exactly why I said your reads were middle of the road. No spice to them just nice and similar to mine to not draw attention, considering I was one of the more vocal voices yesterday in guiding town to creatures execution. I blame me not finding creature on me not really knowing his pressure response. Ill have to do some adjusting and re-reading after this game.

You aren't clear

You kidding me? That Mac kill I would NEVER Make and if I was on the wolf team I would veto it. If I was wolf this game I had Mac completely snowed, I have Lucy completely snowed. I dont want them gone even to solidify worldviews. You were in HR you should know this.

Wasnt Mac the N1 kill in HR?

Yep, it was also my first forum wolf game so I Was taking more of a back seat to Alison and JJJ who are well established. Alison is probably the only person I would let kill Mac in this player lineup, Perhaps Seanzie or yourself but I would need a lot of convincing considering Mac saw you two as town lean. (If Alison flips wolf I look really bad here, but the [REDACTED] of us [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED] is [REDACTED] [REDACTED])

[RondoDimBuckle]

@RondoDimBuckle Did you explain why you thought my reads were middle of the run when you had the exact same tier/list as I did?

Nah ive been mostly ignoring today since I am so clear there is no point trying to appear towny. Its obvious Alison is going over so any pressure we apply to anyone else is pointless because they wont feel it and anything wolves do will be anti spew if Alison is going over and is wolf and if she is town then I can re-assess

But to answer your question. You had the same read list as me is exactly why I said your reads were middle of the road. No spice to them just nice and similar to mine to not draw attention, considering I was one of the more vocal voices yesterday in guiding town to creatures execution. I blame me not finding creature on me not really knowing his pressure response. Ill have to do some adjusting and re-reading after this game.

You aren't clear

I also somewhat realized Boq, you and I had a very similar perspective as well with our reads list. What did you think about Rondo commenting only on my reads list post being middle of the run when we shared a similar perspective, but not on yours?

I do not remember Rondo interacting much with you on your perspective/reads list as much.

Boq has a process, he has earned the right for me to not interfere for a day or two since I rate him.

I like this tbh, Rondo understands me

That said if you are wolf here, how I treat you will change.

[Boquise]

@RondoDimBuckle Did you explain why you thought my reads were middle of the run when you had the exact same tier/list as I did?

Nah ive been mostly ignoring today since I am so clear there is no point trying to appear towny. Its obvious Alison is going over so any pressure we apply to anyone else is pointless because they wont feel it and anything wolves do will be anti spew if Alison is going over and is wolf and if she is town then I can re-assess

But to answer your question. You had the same read list as me is exactly why I said your reads were middle of the road. No spice to them just nice and similar to mine to not draw attention, considering I was one of the more vocal voices yesterday in guiding town to creatures execution. I blame me not finding creature on me not really knowing his pressure response. Ill have to do some adjusting and re-reading after this game.

You aren't clear

You kidding me? That Mac kill I would NEVER Make and if I was on the wolf team I would veto it. If I was wolf this game I had Mac completely snowed, I have Lucy completely snowed. I dont want them gone even to solidify worldviews. You were in HR you should know this.

Wasnt Mac the N1 kill in HR?

Yep, it was also my first forum wolf game so I Was taking more of a back seat to Alison and JJJ who are well established. Alison is probably the only person I would let kill Mac in this player lineup, Perhaps Seanzie or yourself but I would need a lot of convincing considering Mac saw you two as town lean. (If Alison flips wolf I look really bad here, but the [REDACTED] of us [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED] is [REDACTED] [REDACTED])

nice tbh and I would not have killed Mac in this game state either tbh, seems like our thread position is similar then tbh

[Boquise]

@RondoDimBuckle Did you explain why you thought my reads were middle of the run when you had the exact same tier/list as I did?

Nah ive been mostly ignoring today since I am so clear there is no point trying to appear towny. Its obvious Alison is going over so any pressure we apply to anyone else is pointless because they wont feel it and anything wolves do will be anti spew if Alison is going over and is wolf and if she is town then I can re-assess

But to answer your question. You had the same read list as me is exactly why I said your reads were middle of the road. No spice to them just nice and similar to mine to not draw attention, considering I was one of the more vocal voices yesterday in guiding town to creatures execution. I blame me not finding creature on me not really knowing his pressure response. Ill have to do some adjusting and re-reading after this game.

You aren't clear

I also somewhat realized Boq, you and I had a very similar perspective as well with our reads list. What did you think about Rondo commenting only on my reads list post being middle of the run when we shared a similar perspective, but not on yours?

I do not remember Rondo interacting much with you on your perspective/reads list as much.

Boq has a process, he has earned the right for me to not interfere for a day or two since I rate him.

I like this tbh, Rondo understands me

That said if you are wolf here, how I treat you will change.

naturally tbh

[Porscha]

Current thoughts:
Dreading the Mac review even though I should.

Boq and Seanzie have a weird dynamic.

Nook and Porscha have a weird dynamic.

SPF and Alison have a weird dynamic.

I think there is likely a wolf in SPF, Alison, Boq or Sean.

Forcing Boq vs Sean I feel would be interesting, but unknown if this is wise.

Solving the wagonomics of Alison could crack the game open, but I doubt it. Lucy, Rondo, Nook aren't slots that I personally would be able to solve even if Alison flipped W.

A rough game it is.

Sean is town so that would be disastrous

my eyebrow is raised

Why?

Just seems like a particularly confident read on sean

[Porscha]

@RondoDimBuckle Did you explain why you thought my reads were middle of the run when you had the exact same tier/list as I did?

Nah ive been mostly ignoring today since I am so clear there is no point trying to appear towny. Its obvious Alison is going over so any pressure we apply to anyone else is pointless because they wont feel it and anything wolves do will be anti spew if Alison is going over and is wolf and if she is town then I can re-assess

But to answer your question. You had the same read list as me is exactly why I said your reads were middle of the road. No spice to them just nice and similar to mine to not draw attention, considering I was one of the more vocal voices yesterday in guiding town to creatures execution. I blame me not finding creature on me not really knowing his pressure response. Ill have to do some adjusting and re-reading after this game.

You aren't clear

You kidding me? That Mac kill I would NEVER Make and if I was on the wolf team I would veto it. If I was wolf this game I had Mac completely snowed, I have Lucy completely snowed. I dont want them gone even to solidify worldviews. You were in HR you should know this.

Wasnt Mac the N1 kill in HR?

Yep, it was also my first forum wolf game so I Was taking more of a back seat to Alison and JJJ who are well established. Alison is probably the only person I would let kill Mac in this player lineup, Perhaps Seanzie or yourself but I would need a lot of convincing considering Mac saw you two as town lean. (If Alison flips wolf I look really bad here, but the [REDACTED] of us [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED] is [REDACTED] [REDACTED])

to be fair mac also had some pretty bad scum reads on townies so maybe take it with a grain of salt

[Porscha]

@RondoDimBuckle Did you explain why you thought my reads were middle of the run when you had the exact same tier/list as I did?

Nah ive been mostly ignoring today since I am so clear there is no point trying to appear towny. Its obvious Alison is going over so any pressure we apply to anyone else is pointless because they wont feel it and anything wolves do will be anti spew if Alison is going over and is wolf and if she is town then I can re-assess

But to answer your question. You had the same read list as me is exactly why I said your reads were middle of the road. No spice to them just nice and similar to mine to not draw attention, considering I was one of the more vocal voices yesterday in guiding town to creatures execution. I blame me not finding creature on me not really knowing his pressure response. Ill have to do some adjusting and re-reading after this game.

You aren't clear

You kidding me? That Mac kill I would NEVER Make and if I was on the wolf team I would veto it. If I was wolf this game I had Mac completely snowed, I have Lucy completely snowed. I dont want them gone even to solidify worldviews. You were in HR you should know this.

Wasnt Mac the N1 kill in HR?

Yep, it was also my first forum wolf game so I Was taking more of a back seat to Alison and JJJ who are well established. Alison is probably the only person I would let kill Mac in this player lineup, Perhaps Seanzie or yourself but I would need a lot of convincing considering Mac saw you two as town lean. (If Alison flips wolf I look really bad here, but the [REDACTED] of us [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED] is [REDACTED] [REDACTED])

to be fair mac also had some pretty bad scum reads on townies so maybe take it with a grain of salt

also what was the last sentence supposed to be

[RondoDimBuckle]

Nah ive been mostly ignoring today since I am so clear there is no point trying to appear towny. Its obvious Alison is going over so any pressure we apply to anyone else is pointless because they wont feel it and anything wolves do will be anti spew if Alison is going over and is wolf and if she is town then I can re-assess

But to answer your question. You had the same read list as me is exactly why I said your reads were middle of the road. No spice to them just nice and similar to mine to not draw attention, considering I was one of the more vocal voices yesterday in guiding town to creatures execution. I blame me not finding creature on me not really knowing his pressure response. Ill have to do some adjusting and re-reading after this game.

You aren't clear

You kidding me? That Mac kill I would NEVER Make and if I was on the wolf team I would veto it. If I was wolf this game I had Mac completely snowed, I have Lucy completely snowed. I dont want them gone even to solidify worldviews. You were in HR you should know this.

Wasnt Mac the N1 kill in HR?

Yep, it was also my first forum wolf game so I Was taking more of a back seat to Alison and JJJ who are well established. Alison is probably the only person I would let kill Mac in this player lineup, Perhaps Seanzie or yourself but I would need a lot of convincing considering Mac saw you two as town lean. (If Alison flips wolf I look really bad here, but the [REDACTED] of us [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED] is [REDACTED] [REDACTED])

to be fair mac also had some pretty bad scum reads on townies so maybe take it with a grain of salt

also what was the last sentence supposed to be

If you dont know you dont know. If you know you know

[Boquise]

Current thoughts:
Dreading the Mac review even though I should.

Boq and Seanzie have a weird dynamic.

Nook and Porscha have a weird dynamic.

SPF and Alison have a weird dynamic.

I think there is likely a wolf in SPF, Alison, Boq or Sean.

Forcing Boq vs Sean I feel would be interesting, but unknown if this is wise.

Solving the wagonomics of Alison could crack the game open, but I doubt it. Lucy, Rondo, Nook aren't slots that I personally would be able to solve even if Alison flipped W.

A rough game it is.

Sean is town so that would be disastrous

my eyebrow is raised

Why?

Just seems like a particularly confident read on sean

I have had that read since D1. Kinda surprised you just noticed tbh

[Boquise]

If I had a fun i would shoot Rondo
Mostly because it would be fun tbh

[Boquise]

If I had a fun...
If I had a GUN

[Boquise]

Boom tbh

[RondoDimBuckle]

If I had a fun i would shoot Rondo
Mostly because it would be fun tbh

If I had a fun...
If I had a GUN

Boom tbh

That is normally the popular consensus in any game, rarely is it right though.

But it is fun, If I was in your position I would do it too

[Seanzie]

Boom tbh

If I had a fun...

[Seanzie]

slow day

[Boquise]

slow day

Yea, we are in a lock and has been since eod1.
I don't subscribe to the idea that we are forced to do info yeets, but nothing will be solved until it happens in this game

[Porscha]

You aren't clear

You kidding me? That Mac kill I would NEVER Make and if I was on the wolf team I would veto it. If I was wolf this game I had Mac completely snowed, I have Lucy completely snowed. I dont want them gone even to solidify worldviews. You were in HR you should know this.

Wasnt Mac the N1 kill in HR?

Yep, it was also my first forum wolf game so I Was taking more of a back seat to Alison and JJJ who are well established. Alison is probably the only person I would let kill Mac in this player lineup, Perhaps Seanzie or yourself but I would need a lot of convincing considering Mac saw you two as town lean. (If Alison flips wolf I look really bad here, but the [REDACTED] of us [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED] is [REDACTED] [REDACTED])

to be fair mac also had some pretty bad scum reads on townies so maybe take it with a grain of salt

also what was the last sentence supposed to be

If you dont know you dont know. If you know you know

You can use normal acronyms around me I'm just bad with mafia acronyms

[Porscha]

Current thoughts:
Dreading the Mac review even though I should.

Boq and Seanzie have a weird dynamic.

Nook and Porscha have a weird dynamic.

SPF and Alison have a weird dynamic.

I think there is likely a wolf in SPF, Alison, Boq or Sean.

Forcing Boq vs Sean I feel would be interesting, but unknown if this is wise.

Solving the wagonomics of Alison could crack the game open, but I doubt it. Lucy, Rondo, Nook aren't slots that I personally would be able to solve even if Alison flipped W.

A rough game it is.

Sean is town so that would be disastrous

my eyebrow is raised

Why?

Just seems like a particularly confident read on sean

I have had that read since D1. Kinda surprised you just noticed tbh

I didnt just notice that you've had it despite Sean's pushes on you. I'm surprised you are maintaining it with such confidence

[Porscha]

slow day

Yea, we are in a lock and has been since eod1.
I don't subscribe to the idea that we are forced to do info yeets, but nothing will be solved until it happens in this game

Who is in your poe

[DrWilgy]

Sleepy. Busy work day. A haiku for my friends.

Behold the smol frog,
It does not know what to eat,
I am the smol frog.

[DrWilgy]

Also, I am currently moving off Aro and onto [VOTE: Boq] aubergine.

I found that the recent responses are Seanzie warrant a vote.

Other potential landings in the current are: Alison, SPF.

[Boquise]

Current thoughts:
Dreading the Mac review even though I should.

Boq and Seanzie have a weird dynamic.

Nook and Porscha have a weird dynamic.

SPF and Alison have a weird dynamic.

I think there is likely a wolf in SPF, Alison, Boq or Sean.

Forcing Boq vs Sean I feel would be interesting, but unknown if this is wise.

Solving the wagonomics of Alison could crack the game open, but I doubt it. Lucy, Rondo, Nook aren't slots that I personally would be able to solve even if Alison flipped W.

A rough game it is.

Sean is town so that would be disastrous

my eyebrow is raised

Why?

Just seems like a particularly confident read on sean

I have had that read since D1. Kinda surprised you just noticed tbh

I didnt just notice that you've had it despite Sean's pushes on you. I'm surprised you are maintaining it with such confidence

i have been mindlessly pushed in this manner before and it has almost always been by town. They also have this superior air in their posts where they over-confidently declare everything i post as "scummy". I have only once been pushed by nonsensical reasons by a wolf so I believe in the read tbh

[Boquise]

Also, I am currently moving off Aro and onto [VOTE: Boq] aubergine.

I found that the recent responses are Seanzie warrant a vote.

Other potential landings in the current are: Alison, SPF.

Theres nothing wolfy with my responses.
Like, you actually have to explain here why and how you arrive to this conclusion. I have hard evidence that this is how I treat slots that death tunnel me.

Maybe you are an annoyed wolf. I am refusing to thunderdome a town read and I am refusing to budge on a read, which makes the poe smaller. None of this is wolfy. It is however wolfy to try to artificially create reasons to push someone to set up a misyeet tbh

[Boquise]

slow day

Yea, we are in a lock and has been since eod1.
I don't subscribe to the idea that we are forced to do info yeets, but nothing will be solved until it happens in this game

Who is in your poe

I am not sure anymore
Rondo/Nanook/Lucy fits the way wolves would play this game currently.
I believe I could be wrong on Spf

[Boquise]

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ampionship

Here is an example of me treating a death tunnel on me with absolute confidence that they are town. Lo and behold, they were town and so was I.

[arogame123]

Current thoughts:
Dreading the Mac review even though I should.

Boq and Seanzie have a weird dynamic.

Nook and Porscha have a weird dynamic.

SPF and Alison have a weird dynamic.

I think there is likely a wolf in SPF, Alison, Boq or Sean.

Forcing Boq vs Sean I feel would be interesting, but unknown if this is wise.

Solving the wagonomics of Alison could crack the game open, but I doubt it. Lucy, Rondo, Nook aren't slots that I personally would be able to solve even if Alison flipped W.

A rough game it is.

Sean is town so that would be disastrous

Ok so Boq, talk to me a little bit, because I had you and Seanzie as town for reasons I stated earlier and still do somewhat.

So I want to ask several questions,
1. Is there a reason you are still attempting to engage with Seanzie and not just trying to ignore for now and do your own solve?
2. Despite how others feel about you, is there a reason you feel so pressured just from Seanzie himself that you lose motivation to play the game? Like I can understand the frustration from a tunneller, but it seems like it's really gotten to you. Why is that?

@Boquise not sure if you responded to this yet, but could you answer these questions when u get the chance please.

[DrWilgy]

Also, I am currently moving off Aro and onto [VOTE: Boq] aubergine.

I found that the recent responses are Seanzie warrant a vote.

Other potential landings in the current are: Alison, SPF.

Theres nothing wolfy with my responses.
Like, you actually have to explain here why and how you arrive to this conclusion. I have hard evidence that this is how I treat slots that death tunnel me.

Maybe you are an annoyed wolf. I am refusing to thunderdome a town read and I am refusing to budge on a read, which makes the poe smaller. None of this is wolfy. It is however wolfy to try to artificially create reasons to push someone to set up a misyeet tbh

I disagree. I don't have the context re you and Seanzie to know about tunnels or of the sort.

You in regards to Seanzie is still very awkward, you claim what you would do and wouldn't do, but it's to the point of self awareness that I think is more wolf inclined.

Your insistence on a town Seanzie doesn't strike as confident, but you still posture as if you are correct.

You think I have the authority to force you to thunderdome? All I can do is observe and point out how odd I think the behavior is.

What makes my observation artificial?

[arogame123]

Sleepy. Busy work day. A haiku for my friends.

Behold the smol frog,
It does not know what to eat,
I am the smol frog.

Computers are life
Love is endless in the air
No longer dreaming

[Boquise]

the thing with mafia is that when you have played for a while, you get a sort of understanding of the whims of people. It isnt 100%, but what I have learned is to fight for my reads until i have seen a reason to re-evaluate. Right now I dont have a reason to re-evaluate Seanzie, whereas I have received reasons to re-evaluate Lucy. It is kinda organic and how I like to play.

It is also important to not squander around too much in your own read list and poe. Constantly resizing it. That will only overwhelm yourself when you try to have a grip on the game. I realise people might read it as "tmi" or that I decide to be so confidently town read a pusher (like, again, it seems to be some sort of meta here that "pushing me" = "scum"). But it will only make the game harder if I start going through a whole song and dance for every read.

Seanzie is town.
I had Creature as town but let myself be dictated with others.
It is anti-town, in most circumstances, to let go off the puzzle pieces I have already managed to place. I still think Alison is town, but it is clear that solving is not whats trendy today so I will bid my time. Seanzie has made sure I won't be NK'd tonight anyway.

If Wilgy or anyone tries to make me thunderdome a town read of mine, my response will be to thunderdome Wilgy, or anyone else who tries to force me to do anti-town things tbh.

[arogame123]

Also, I am currently moving off Aro and onto [VOTE: Boq] aubergine.

I found that the recent responses are Seanzie warrant a vote.

Other potential landings in the current are: Alison, SPF.

What’s your read/stance on me now?

Curious to see the progression on my slot.

[DrWilgy]

the thing with mafia is that when you have played for a while, you get a sort of understanding of the whims of people. It isnt 100%, but what I have learned is to fight for my reads until i have seen a reason to re-evaluate. Right now I dont have a reason to re-evaluate Seanzie, whereas I have received reasons to re-evaluate Lucy. It is kinda organic and how I like to play.

It is also important to not squander around too much in your own read list and poe. Constantly resizing it. That will only overwhelm yourself when you try to have a grip on the game. I realise people might read it as "tmi" or that I decide to be so confidently town read a pusher (like, again, it seems to be some sort of meta here that "pushing me" = "scum"). But it will only make the game harder if I start going through a whole song and dance for every read.

Seanzie is town.
I had Creature as town but let myself be dictated with others.
It is anti-town, in most circumstances, to let go off the puzzle pieces I have already managed to place. I still think Alison is town, but it is clear that solving is not whats trendy today so I will bid my time. Seanzie has made sure I won't be NK'd tonight anyway.

If Wilgy or anyone tries to make me thunderdome a town read of mine, my response will be to thunderdome Wilgy, or anyone else who tries to force me to do anti-town things tbh.

"I'm right because I'm right"

"If you don't believe me you are a wolf."

No, I don't think that is correct.

[arogame123]

@Boquise if you think Alison is town, then who would you want to kill today then?

Is there a reason you are ok with the “info lynch” then from your pov?

[Boquise]

Also, I am currently moving off Aro and onto [VOTE: Boq] aubergine.

I found that the recent responses are Seanzie warrant a vote.

Other potential landings in the current are: Alison, SPF.

Theres nothing wolfy with my responses.
Like, you actually have to explain here why and how you arrive to this conclusion. I have hard evidence that this is how I treat slots that death tunnel me.

Maybe you are an annoyed wolf. I am refusing to thunderdome a town read and I am refusing to budge on a read, which makes the poe smaller. None of this is wolfy. It is however wolfy to try to artificially create reasons to push someone to set up a misyeet tbh

I disagree. I don't have the context re you and Seanzie to know about tunnels or of the sort.

You in regards to Seanzie is still very awkward, you claim what you would do and wouldn't do, but it's to the point of self awareness that I think is more wolf inclined.

Your insistence on a town Seanzie doesn't strike as confident, but you still posture as if you are correct.

You think I have the authority to force you to thunderdome? All I can do is observe and point out how odd I think the behavior is.

What makes my observation artificial?

So you havent read up the conversation, but read the last bits and decided to form a read of that? Well no wonder it looks weird then.
I am confident that Seanzie is town. I am not sure how you could come to another conclusion. Is it because I got annoyed? Getting annoyed is normal.

Look, I have played for 9 years and I have been in this position at least once every year. I am self-aware to the t. Like you will see in the game I posted where Jeremy death tunnelled me.

I think you can make people think so too, since you birth an idea. If you are wolf, I do not think you'd try to force this because your thread position makes that impossible, and it would also make you a huge target after I and Seanzie flip town (because if one was town, surely the other should too?). However I do think that a wolf would try to sneakingly plant the seeds of this thunderdome idea into the thread.

[arogame123]

If you believe Alison is town, could you town case her for me and then also show me why my reasons for scum reading her are invalid based on what I presented?

[DrWilgy]

Also, I am currently moving off Aro and onto [VOTE: Boq] aubergine.

I found that the recent responses are Seanzie warrant a vote.

Other potential landings in the current are: Alison, SPF.

What’s your read/stance on me now?

Curious to see the progression on my slot.

Your interactions in the thread after my joining have seemed towny enough.

I think you are in a place like Nook and Rondo. There's information on you that I can get to if time allows, but I do not find it a priority to do so with time allowed in the moment. As it stands I'm absorbing information that is in the current and still desire to go through town legacies.

[Boquise]

the thing with mafia is that when you have played for a while, you get a sort of understanding of the whims of people. It isnt 100%, but what I have learned is to fight for my reads until i have seen a reason to re-evaluate. Right now I dont have a reason to re-evaluate Seanzie, whereas I have received reasons to re-evaluate Lucy. It is kinda organic and how I like to play.

It is also important to not squander around too much in your own read list and poe. Constantly resizing it. That will only overwhelm yourself when you try to have a grip on the game. I realise people might read it as "tmi" or that I decide to be so confidently town read a pusher (like, again, it seems to be some sort of meta here that "pushing me" = "scum"). But it will only make the game harder if I start going through a whole song and dance for every read.

Seanzie is town.
I had Creature as town but let myself be dictated with others.
It is anti-town, in most circumstances, to let go off the puzzle pieces I have already managed to place. I still think Alison is town, but it is clear that solving is not whats trendy today so I will bid my time. Seanzie has made sure I won't be NK'd tonight anyway.

If Wilgy or anyone tries to make me thunderdome a town read of mine, my response will be to thunderdome Wilgy, or anyone else who tries to force me to do anti-town things tbh.

"I'm right because I'm right"

"If you don't believe me you are a wolf."

No, I don't think that is correct.

I have already written nuanced reasons to town read Seanzie. You have had all day to read up the game or at least look through this, considering this is your main agenda today.

No, if you try to push me to do anti-town things, I will start pushing you. 1+1=2. It is wolfy to try to instigate a thunderdome between two town members.

Read up my posts with Seanzie before continuing this conversation with me.

[DrWilgy]

Also, I am currently moving off Aro and onto [VOTE: Boq] aubergine.

I found that the recent responses are Seanzie warrant a vote.

Other potential landings in the current are: Alison, SPF.

Theres nothing wolfy with my responses.
Like, you actually have to explain here why and how you arrive to this conclusion. I have hard evidence that this is how I treat slots that death tunnel me.

Maybe you are an annoyed wolf. I am refusing to thunderdome a town read and I am refusing to budge on a read, which makes the poe smaller. None of this is wolfy. It is however wolfy to try to artificially create reasons to push someone to set up a misyeet tbh

I disagree. I don't have the context re you and Seanzie to know about tunnels or of the sort.

You in regards to Seanzie is still very awkward, you claim what you would do and wouldn't do, but it's to the point of self awareness that I think is more wolf inclined.

Your insistence on a town Seanzie doesn't strike as confident, but you still posture as if you are correct.

You think I have the authority to force you to thunderdome? All I can do is observe and point out how odd I think the behavior is.

What makes my observation artificial?

So you havent read up the conversation, but read the last bits and decided to form a read of that? Well no wonder it looks weird then.
I am confident that Seanzie is town. I am not sure how you could come to another conclusion. Is it because I got annoyed? Getting annoyed is normal.

Look, I have played for 9 years and I have been in this position at least once every year. I am self-aware to the t. Like you will see in the game I posted where Jeremy death tunnelled me.

I think you can make people think so too, since you birth an idea. If you are wolf, I do not think you'd try to force this because your thread position makes that impossible, and it would also make you a huge target after I and Seanzie flip town (because if one was town, surely the other should too?). However I do think that a wolf would try to sneakingly plant the seeds of this thunderdome idea into the thread.

I jumped into a developed game. My slot had opinions and gameplay time that I am not pricy to nor will be, that's just how it is. Getting annoyed is normal. The self awareness that I pointed out seems abnormal.

Fantastic. I have played Mafia for a decade as well, I've been right and wrong. There are correct conclusions and incorrect conclusions.

Voicing a concern and suspicion is not causing a thunderdome, hell if If anything this effectively clears Seanzie while you are alive because of the situation where you are town, I should be inclined to trust your read. Where you are wolf you know his alignment.

It is only in the scenario where a bus becomes a theory where Seanzie would be considered, we are nowhere near that stage in the game.

[DrWilgy]

the thing with mafia is that when you have played for a while, you get a sort of understanding of the whims of people. It isnt 100%, but what I have learned is to fight for my reads until i have seen a reason to re-evaluate. Right now I dont have a reason to re-evaluate Seanzie, whereas I have received reasons to re-evaluate Lucy. It is kinda organic and how I like to play.

It is also important to not squander around too much in your own read list and poe. Constantly resizing it. That will only overwhelm yourself when you try to have a grip on the game. I realise people might read it as "tmi" or that I decide to be so confidently town read a pusher (like, again, it seems to be some sort of meta here that "pushing me" = "scum"). But it will only make the game harder if I start going through a whole song and dance for every read.

Seanzie is town.
I had Creature as town but let myself be dictated with others.
It is anti-town, in most circumstances, to let go off the puzzle pieces I have already managed to place. I still think Alison is town, but it is clear that solving is not whats trendy today so I will bid my time. Seanzie has made sure I won't be NK'd tonight anyway.

If Wilgy or anyone tries to make me thunderdome a town read of mine, my response will be to thunderdome Wilgy, or anyone else who tries to force me to do anti-town things tbh.

"I'm right because I'm right"

"If you don't believe me you are a wolf."

No, I don't think that is correct.

I have already written nuanced reasons to town read Seanzie. You have had all day to read up the game or at least look through this, considering this is your main agenda today.

No, if you try to push me to do anti-town things, I will start pushing you. 1+1=2. It is wolfy to try to instigate a thunderdome between two town members.

Read up my posts with Seanzie before continuing this conversation with me.

Nah

[Boquise]

Current thoughts:
Dreading the Mac review even though I should.

Boq and Seanzie have a weird dynamic.

Nook and Porscha have a weird dynamic.

SPF and Alison have a weird dynamic.

I think there is likely a wolf in SPF, Alison, Boq or Sean.

Forcing Boq vs Sean I feel would be interesting, but unknown if this is wise.

Solving the wagonomics of Alison could crack the game open, but I doubt it. Lucy, Rondo, Nook aren't slots that I personally would be able to solve even if Alison flipped W.

A rough game it is.

Sean is town so that would be disastrous

Ok so Boq, talk to me a little bit, because I had you and Seanzie as town for reasons I stated earlier and still do somewhat.

So I want to ask several questions,
1. Is there a reason you are still attempting to engage with Seanzie and not just trying to ignore for now and do your own solve?
2. Despite how others feel about you, is there a reason you feel so pressured just from Seanzie himself that you lose motivation to play the game? Like I can understand the frustration from a tunneller, but it seems like it's really gotten to you. Why is that?

@Boquise not sure if you responded to this yet, but could you answer these questions when u get the chance please.

1. Underneath all this logic, I am an emotional player whose biggest weakness is that I cannot shut up in discussions with someone who irritates me tbh. I am actually easily baited and have to force myself out of debates tbh. I was worse ages ago tho

2. Because it sucks. Because imo it isn't just Seanzie. I spent a lot of my free time to engage and make nuanced and dynamic reads during D1, tried to shake things up during D2, then we have Creature saying stuff like I am not doing anything. And Seanzie throwing darts to determine his scum reads. I have tried to engage other players too and immediately get scolded and sorted into some sort of "strong players must die" when all I wanna do is solve. Meanwhile we have had potatoes in the thread.

It isnt a fun solving environment. I have limited free time due to my work. It isnt worth it to get tilted over or waste time on tbh.

We have like Alison receiving zero real reason why she is scum. Nanook provided 2 reasons. "Mac scum read her, and her reads are meh". No examples on meh reads. No "Yeh but Mac was super sure that Creature was outed wolf". So I basically accepted that this is how the game will be tbh.

[Boquise]

Also, I am currently moving off Aro and onto [VOTE: Boq] aubergine.

I found that the recent responses are Seanzie warrant a vote.

Other potential landings in the current are: Alison, SPF.

Theres nothing wolfy with my responses.
Like, you actually have to explain here why and how you arrive to this conclusion. I have hard evidence that this is how I treat slots that death tunnel me.

Maybe you are an annoyed wolf. I am refusing to thunderdome a town read and I am refusing to budge on a read, which makes the poe smaller. None of this is wolfy. It is however wolfy to try to artificially create reasons to push someone to set up a misyeet tbh

I disagree. I don't have the context re you and Seanzie to know about tunnels or of the sort.

You in regards to Seanzie is still very awkward, you claim what you would do and wouldn't do, but it's to the point of self awareness that I think is more wolf inclined.

Your insistence on a town Seanzie doesn't strike as confident, but you still posture as if you are correct.

You think I have the authority to force you to thunderdome? All I can do is observe and point out how odd I think the behavior is.

What makes my observation artificial?

So you havent read up the conversation, but read the last bits and decided to form a read of that? Well no wonder it looks weird then.
I am confident that Seanzie is town. I am not sure how you could come to another conclusion. Is it because I got annoyed? Getting annoyed is normal.

Look, I have played for 9 years and I have been in this position at least once every year. I am self-aware to the t. Like you will see in the game I posted where Jeremy death tunnelled me.

I think you can make people think so too, since you birth an idea. If you are wolf, I do not think you'd try to force this because your thread position makes that impossible, and it would also make you a huge target after I and Seanzie flip town (because if one was town, surely the other should too?). However I do think that a wolf would try to sneakingly plant the seeds of this thunderdome idea into the thread.

I jumped into a developed game. My slot had opinions and gameplay time that I am not pricy to nor will be, that's just how it is. Getting annoyed is normal. The self awareness that I pointed out seems abnormal.

Fantastic. I have played Mafia for a decade as well, I've been right and wrong. There are correct conclusions and incorrect conclusions.

Voicing a concern and suspicion is not causing a thunderdome, hell if If anything this effectively clears Seanzie while you are alive because of the situation where you are town, I should be inclined to trust your read. Where you are wolf you know his alignment.

It is only in the scenario where a bus becomes a theory where Seanzie would be considered, we are nowhere near that stage in the game.

You are not bound to your slot's opinions. Hopefully this self-awareness will not be regarded as abnormal when you see my flip then.

If you have played for a decade, you should know that you should read up on the context before making conclusions. No one has provided any reason why I should second-guess this read. Seanzie has not given me any reason to second-guess it either. It is super wolfy to try to force me to question my reads without given a single sensible argument aside from "what if you are wrong".

You literally wrote that you would like to see me and Seanzie duke it out.