Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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that's fine but I do some work on the side as well - mostly memeing but you don't have too many game related thoughts, whereas I think you should gather some just based on your town nature and your desire to fit the pieces togetherSloonei wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:41 pmYes, that is exactly my point. I'm not gonna do those things. I'm playing this game from the backseat.tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:39 pmyou're just not being villagery sloonei ; i think you'd do more ground work or look into the votes on you - have a different reactionSloonei wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:37 pm I signed up for this game to fart around and be goofy. If me doing that is going to make everyone lock me in as scum then we might as well just get my elimination over with. I did not sign up for the 50 player designated meme game 2 weeks before my semifinals game with the intention of going all out. So far I've been keeping my focus on activity that involves me. I am scrutinizing the players who have unconditionally and uncritically accepted the suspicion against me, so I would at least urge that we look at them once I'm dead and gone.
I understand you have semis in 2 weeks - but it's not about you not going all out ; it's about you not going at all, if that makes sense.
jumpluff wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:22 am NANOOK claimed immortal/unkillable.
Macdougall randed a D0 neighbourhood that lasts until EoD1 with PunchyTheCat, Apogee, Dragon D. Luffy, 112, Trustworthy Liberal post
ITA1 SHOTS LISTSpoiler: show
Justplayingitcool claimed Jailkeeper. post
Dragon D. Luffy claimed to be able to talk to spec chat through a randomised spec chatter daily Amy 1 Amy 2 post Ranmilia's thoughts carotte's thoughts
112 claimed a persuader (targets a person at night and forces them to vote for another target) here
hollowkatt claims a piercing cop check on Maple, villager post
(at some point before here Trustworthy Liberal claimed survivor)
Trustworthy Liberal dies, Pacifist/Endgame Arsonist 3p thing
Relm dies, Town Fruit Vendor
hollowkatt dies, flip redacted
Maple claims to have received a banana post. Maple claims to be a miller (before HK's cop) post and says NOT TO USE PROTECTIVES ON THEM. There are more complexities, but probably don't use pro-villa stuff on them. (ISO them for more I guess)
Adam claimed to be a strongwiller (makes a night action unroleblockable). post (post)
ITA2 SHOTS LISTSpoiler: show
SPRITYO has received +5 additional votes today - Was a joke by Mac
A fight has broken out between Hank and Poison chan! TL;DR On top of the normal 2 elims, whichever has the most votes gets eliminated. Hank initiated it as the gladiator.
PunchyTheCat claimed D3 Innocent Child. post
cavyie claimed to receive a box and a warning not to open it. post and gave it to Nanook here, I am sceptical this worked but including it anyways.
Hank claimed Lorde, reusable(?) gladiator. post
Host Posts including list of people we can't vote. (Sorry, it's too long, Punchy.)
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corrections solicited as always, ping me with stuff you want included so i see it as overnight catchup may be ruff
i am not gonna spoiler this btw, use your scroll wheel
remember to go look at the shots in context rather than just looking at the shots and saying people who shoot villagers are wolves
How does JPIC comes into the Daisy bit? JPIC had claimed which like... I guess it would detract wolves a bit? Actually I don't have a strong opinion on JPIC aside from the fact that I believe he would take that shot on TSP as V, prolly.Maple wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:37 pmI said early wrt this that I want to resolve JPIC ASAP for similar reasons to this. If the guy flips wolf, you're completely correct and we need to take a harder look at the people who shot at daisy, because a 2 person w/v list is a bit of a no-brainer decision for wolves to shoot.SilverKeith wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:34 pmI'm saying that you're taking too many people off the table at this stage and I don't like it nor agree with it and if you want to actually get somewhere with me it would be best to try to sell me one of your scumreads.Maple wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:32 pm I think you're saying you want to talk about mafia reads?
Regarding the first bit, it's more efficient to find a bunch of villagers early game, and kill other people. As the game goes on, you continually raise the bar and kill people who can't keep up, or who just aren't villagery. If I understand what you're saying right, I'll try to explain the folly of anni was that they failed to reevaluate reads as a collective, and allowed the wolves to pull the game into a series of "us vs them" disagreements.
There isn't anything inherently wrong with wanting to take people off the table early. What's wrong is not reevaluating later, and raising the bar. This isn't a mistake that I'll make.
Half of this is me strongly scumreading ephemeral
other half is salt based on me wanting to find a scum between the people who shot at daisy because you fucking know that daisy is the kind of POE shot that mafia loves to takes and would'nt you know half of those people are being shielded by you or are you.
That being said, typically when you have an unorganized ITA period wolves are more likely to be the guys taking orange-zone, kinda bad shots that have levels of plausible deniability, as per the Vigi Chart. I think looking into a combination of those two zones does sound quite sensible, and am down to discuss that.
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:43 pm I have also just got done working for literally an entire week straight and this is my first day off in forever. So, like, even less incentive to play than usual.
I truly and honestly invite you all to just eliminate me if this is the path we're going to go down.
Sorry. =/Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:43 pm I have also just got done working for literally an entire week straight and this is my first day off in forever. So, like, even less incentive to play than usual.
I truly and honestly invite you all to just eliminate me if this is the path we're going to go down.
no you change your vote to eph and xalt thxMaple wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:16 pm @WerewolfHunter @Long Con, @iaafr, @Urist, @AWESOM-O
@DaisyCloud, @Dragon D. Luffy, @Logic, @colonialbob
@nutella, @Urist, @Timsup2nothin, @Adam_, @SilverKeith, @cayvie, @112
@sprityo
Hello, this is your captain speaking. I would like to ask that each of you please see this post, and change your votes.
Thank you for your cooperation.
Going into ITAs I made a pretty extensive list of "don't hero shoot today" peeps, which was crowdsourced from a bunch of people who were in thread at the time.SilverKeith wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:43 pmHow does JPIC comes into the Daisy bit? JPIC had claimed which like... I guess it would detract wolves a bit? Actually I don't have a strong opinion on JPIC aside from the fact that I believe he would take that shot on TSP as V, prolly.Maple wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:37 pmI said early wrt this that I want to resolve JPIC ASAP for similar reasons to this. If the guy flips wolf, you're completely correct and we need to take a harder look at the people who shot at daisy, because a 2 person w/v list is a bit of a no-brainer decision for wolves to shoot.SilverKeith wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:34 pmI'm saying that you're taking too many people off the table at this stage and I don't like it nor agree with it and if you want to actually get somewhere with me it would be best to try to sell me one of your scumreads.Maple wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:32 pm I think you're saying you want to talk about mafia reads?
Regarding the first bit, it's more efficient to find a bunch of villagers early game, and kill other people. As the game goes on, you continually raise the bar and kill people who can't keep up, or who just aren't villagery. If I understand what you're saying right, I'll try to explain the folly of anni was that they failed to reevaluate reads as a collective, and allowed the wolves to pull the game into a series of "us vs them" disagreements.
There isn't anything inherently wrong with wanting to take people off the table early. What's wrong is not reevaluating later, and raising the bar. This isn't a mistake that I'll make.
Half of this is me strongly scumreading ephemeral
other half is salt based on me wanting to find a scum between the people who shot at daisy because you fucking know that daisy is the kind of POE shot that mafia loves to takes and would'nt you know half of those people are being shielded by you or are you.
That being said, typically when you have an unorganized ITA period wolves are more likely to be the guys taking orange-zone, kinda bad shots that have levels of plausible deniability, as per the Vigi Chart. I think looking into a combination of those two zones does sound quite sensible, and am down to discuss that.
I think Daisy shot is straight up into the "if the shot is questionable but defensible" part of the chart. The red zone. I wouldn't put it straight POE since there wasn't a clear POE at that point. You actively had to decide for youself that you wanted to shot daisy.
He is telling me I need to do things and ignoring the posts where I do things.
And Cayvie is still town and I tried to argue in her favor but welp.Maple wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:46 pm Going into ITAs I made a pretty extensive list of "don't hero shoot today" peeps, which was crowdsourced from a bunch of people who were in thread at the time.
When ITAs opened, I said "I want to shoot JPIC and Daisy" and I more or less said "I don't care if you shoot cayvee, do it if you want". So people shooting Daisy are making the choice to 1) sheep me 2) not shoot JPIC 3) not take the maybe onto cayvee.
In essence, the shots list was more or less JPIC, Daisy, Cayvee.
I have a couple more thoughts as well, one moment while I check the chart again
Also, I was pushing Exalt a bit before he died based on his entrance. I dunno if that had any influence over Martin's decision, but, like, there was a slight bit of pressure on him.PunchyTheCat wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:49 pmbecause exalt was a lowposter and too similar to xalt
extensive apologies give me pause
Not that I’m aware ofPunchyTheCat wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:44 pm the d3 innocent child thing was an obvious joke
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME did you get the box from cayvie
Don't sheep manti.sheepsaysmeep wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:46 pm it's hard to want to do anything when theres a very sheepable mantichora in thread all the time idk
So basically an RNG shot? Of all the shots that were fired in ITA2, I'd say the ones that were off the range were as follows:PunchyTheCat wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:49 pmbecause exalt was a lowposter and too similar to xalt
extensive apologies give me pause
why was it risky at the time?Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:39 pm Like, I'm fine with 112's suspicion of me. They were the first to say anything negative about me and I don't think they'd have done that as a wolf because at the time it was a risky move.
nutella is incapable of trusting me. I admire her for that, but it makes it difficult to take her suspicions too seriously. She could be putting it on for affect. I believe her so far.
Hyena to me feels to be reveling in the Sloonei suspicion.
After that I regard everyone as a follower and have not reviewed them all in any depth because that's something that Serious Sloonei would do, and that guy's not here.
Actually, you just made me realize something kind of related to this lolSilverKeith wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:50 pmAnd Cayvie is still town and I tried to argue in her favor but welp.Maple wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:46 pm Going into ITAs I made a pretty extensive list of "don't hero shoot today" peeps, which was crowdsourced from a bunch of people who were in thread at the time.
When ITAs opened, I said "I want to shoot JPIC and Daisy" and I more or less said "I don't care if you shoot cayvee, do it if you want". So people shooting Daisy are making the choice to 1) sheep me 2) not shoot JPIC 3) not take the maybe onto cayvee.
In essence, the shots list was more or less JPIC, Daisy, Cayvee.
I have a couple more thoughts as well, one moment while I check the chart again
I could see why from your POV you think Daisy was a POE shot but if you're town then mafia could've actively made the decision to sheep you and to vote a town from that list (which could have been caivye) but Daisy is the most POE shot in that sense because no one would've batted an eye on Daisy dying which it really isn't true for JPIC and Cayvie.
Like I think most town would shoot on their own more or less but if people decided to sheep you it could be cause they were mafia and by sheeping you, a confirmed townie, they could justify their shots a lot more.
Aight. Lemme know when you find the wolf in that ITA session. All of em can't be town.Maple wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:56 pmActually, you just made me realize something kind of related to this lolSilverKeith wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:50 pmAnd Cayvie is still town and I tried to argue in her favor but welp.Maple wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:46 pm Going into ITAs I made a pretty extensive list of "don't hero shoot today" peeps, which was crowdsourced from a bunch of people who were in thread at the time.
When ITAs opened, I said "I want to shoot JPIC and Daisy" and I more or less said "I don't care if you shoot cayvee, do it if you want". So people shooting Daisy are making the choice to 1) sheep me 2) not shoot JPIC 3) not take the maybe onto cayvee.
In essence, the shots list was more or less JPIC, Daisy, Cayvee.
I have a couple more thoughts as well, one moment while I check the chart again
I could see why from your POV you think Daisy was a POE shot but if you're town then mafia could've actively made the decision to sheep you and to vote a town from that list (which could have been caivye) but Daisy is the most POE shot in that sense because no one would've batted an eye on Daisy dying which it really isn't true for JPIC and Cayvie.
Like I think most town would shoot on their own more or less but if people decided to sheep you it could be cause they were mafia and by sheeping you, a confirmed townie, they could justify their shots a lot more.
JPIC is not votable today, Daisy is. Trying to figure out of wolves would factor that at all in their thinking, gonna ponder that for a bit.
I would like to continue to work with you here. I'm not attempting to make this us battling between our reads, but more of a conversation about them.SilverKeith wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:56 pm I need to make a somewhat interesting and trustable POE but I need a partner to build it.
Because there was a chance I was setting a trap, or just laying low for a minute, or any myriad of things. I have been painfully obviously Not Myself in this game, and a mafia member who is decently familiar with me like 112 would be more hesitant (I think) to harp on that without anyone else saying it first.tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:54 pmwhy was it risky at the time?Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:39 pm Like, I'm fine with 112's suspicion of me. They were the first to say anything negative about me and I don't think they'd have done that as a wolf because at the time it was a risky move.
nutella is incapable of trusting me. I admire her for that, but it makes it difficult to take her suspicions too seriously. She could be putting it on for affect. I believe her so far.
Hyena to me feels to be reveling in the Sloonei suspicion.
After that I regard everyone as a follower and have not reviewed them all in any depth because that's something that Serious Sloonei would do, and that guy's not here.
how's hyena "reveling" in the suspicion - what tipped you off to believe that?
When you have a chance, check the post I linked in the mention, and @ me about your thoughts on my reads thereinTimsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:57 pm @Maple
Just got in. Skipping several pages for the moment, but checked notices. Saw "move your vote" notice, which was a bit on the imperious side buuuuuuut...
Since in my estimation you are the one and only genuinely clear, or at least as close as we have, I am going to cooperate. But, which vote did you mean, or did you mean both, and what is the range available.
K thanx.
wasnt rej a literal 0 poster or am I mistaken?PunchyTheCat wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:57 pm ITA2 Spicy Shots
Urist - Rej - [/color]HIT, Town Doctor/Vig thing (cool role) Sorta-POE-But-Not-Really
iaafr - motel room - HIT, Town Odd Night Somewhat Guilty Vigilante Sorta-POE-But-Not-Really
MartinGG99 - Exalt - HIT, Town Role Cop? Sorta-POE-But-Not-Really
DaisyCloud - funnygirl55 - HIT, Mafia Mikey Sub Out Traveller Thing Heroshot hit a wolf
Long Con - NANOOK - Refunded/failed Bimps
There are 11 members of the mafia. One dead.Maple wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:57 pmI would like to continue to work with you here. I'm not attempting to make this us battling between our reads, but more of a conversation about them.SilverKeith wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:56 pm I need to make a somewhat interesting and trustable POE but I need a partner to build it.
As the confirmed town, it's my job to stir up discussion, not dictate exactly who dies. I don't want us falling into any ruts here, which it honestly feels like we already are.
My current position is "I want more info first". Like I said, I don't normally do my holistic analysis until d2 just because its too easy to manipulate info on d1. That being said, I think you're right in that there's a lot to unpack with this d1 so far, and I don't want to discount that.SilverKeith wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:57 pmAight. Lemme know when you find the wolf in that ITA session. All of em can't be town.Maple wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:56 pmActually, you just made me realize something kind of related to this lolSilverKeith wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:50 pmAnd Cayvie is still town and I tried to argue in her favor but welp.Maple wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:46 pm Going into ITAs I made a pretty extensive list of "don't hero shoot today" peeps, which was crowdsourced from a bunch of people who were in thread at the time.
When ITAs opened, I said "I want to shoot JPIC and Daisy" and I more or less said "I don't care if you shoot cayvee, do it if you want". So people shooting Daisy are making the choice to 1) sheep me 2) not shoot JPIC 3) not take the maybe onto cayvee.
In essence, the shots list was more or less JPIC, Daisy, Cayvee.
I have a couple more thoughts as well, one moment while I check the chart again
I could see why from your POV you think Daisy was a POE shot but if you're town then mafia could've actively made the decision to sheep you and to vote a town from that list (which could have been caivye) but Daisy is the most POE shot in that sense because no one would've batted an eye on Daisy dying which it really isn't true for JPIC and Cayvie.
Like I think most town would shoot on their own more or less but if people decided to sheep you it could be cause they were mafia and by sheeping you, a confirmed townie, they could justify their shots a lot more.
JPIC is not votable today, Daisy is. Trying to figure out of wolves would factor that at all in their thinking, gonna ponder that for a bit.
lol a worthy goalSilverKeith wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:59 pmThere are 11 members of the mafia. One dead.Maple wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:57 pmI would like to continue to work with you here. I'm not attempting to make this us battling between our reads, but more of a conversation about them.SilverKeith wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:56 pm I need to make a somewhat interesting and trustable POE but I need a partner to build it.
As the confirmed town, it's my job to stir up discussion, not dictate exactly who dies. I don't want us falling into any ruts here, which it honestly feels like we already are.
I'm going to put on 10 names, would appreciate it if you do the same.