Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

[nutella]

Nobody has probably read any of the shit that I've posted

i've actually read all of it and would appreciate if you also read all of my posts today to see how clearly town i am

[Marmot]

I have read all of nutella's posts and concluded she is not gay

[Dyslexicon]

I have read all of nutella's posts and concluded she is not gay

How dare you

Everyone is gay

[Marmot]

I have read all of nutella's posts and concluded she is not gay

How dare you

Everyone is gay

Hi I'm gay

[Marmot]

Fwiw, I have you POE'd nutella because of your handling of Mac and JJJ, not because of your posts today.

I also am at the point where I'd rather chop anne before you because if she flips wolf I think that pretty much clears you.

[nutella]

alright cool

atp i'm hoping esooa-anne just wins the game which is a pretty efficient way to clear me

[Dyslexicon]

I'm going to sleep at some point, and definitely won't be here for EoD as usual. Will probably leave my vote on Anne, but I'm ok with any chop between Anne, Wilgy and Esooa. This is my firm PoE. Would be kind of funny to leave my vote on Anne all the time, have her not be chopped and see her flip mafia in the end and be vindicated. I don't know which one between the three is town. I have a hard time seeing anyone else as scum here, and would need a really convincing case for me to want anyone else chopped above those three.

If anyone have more concerns about my alignment and stuff, please be specific about it and I'll try not to snap lol. I think I have like six posts before I'm capped.

[Marmot]

I'm going to sleep at some point, and definitely won't be here for EoD as usual. Will probably leave my vote on Anne, but I'm ok with any chop between Anne, Wilgy and Esooa. This is my firm PoE. Would be kind of funny to leave my vote on Anne all the time, have her not be chopped and see her flip mafia in the end and be vindicated. I don't know which one between the three is town. I have a hard time seeing anyone else as scum here, and would need a really convincing case for me to want anyone else chopped above those three.

If anyone have more concerns about my alignment and stuff, please be specific about it and I'll try not to snap lol. I think I have like six posts before I'm capped.

How are you so gay?

[Dyslexicon]

I'm going to sleep at some point, and definitely won't be here for EoD as usual. Will probably leave my vote on Anne, but I'm ok with any chop between Anne, Wilgy and Esooa. This is my firm PoE. Would be kind of funny to leave my vote on Anne all the time, have her not be chopped and see her flip mafia in the end and be vindicated. I don't know which one between the three is town. I have a hard time seeing anyone else as scum here, and would need a really convincing case for me to want anyone else chopped above those three.

If anyone have more concerns about my alignment and stuff, please be specific about it and I'll try not to snap lol. I think I have like six posts before I'm capped.

How are you so gay?

I don't know, I'm just lucky ig

[staypositivefriend]

i think that esooa's progression on mac looks relatively damning for her, and if esooa is town that decided to give up on playing the game then i think it's important to find that out sooner than later. as such, my vote is probably always going to land on her today

i wont be able to post much between now and the deadline (i havent been able to post much at all today tbh, but it's OK since we're in a good position) but feel free to @ me if there's anything specific you want me to address or talk about before the day ends

[Dyslexicon]

Ok, I'm going to bed. Read Marmot's Esooa/Mac interaction thing, and yeah, I support Esooa chop. Still going to vote Anne because I want to be accused of desperately trying to save my teammate by voting a cw if Esooa flips wolf.

Most important things from my perspective:
- I'm convinced Nutella is town.
- All of Anne's voters D2 were town actually.
- Anyone can follow up my questions to Wilgy and Anne if they cared.

Gl gl. I'll make sure to use my action tonight as per Leetic's request.

[Dyslexicon]

Also, before I go

Spoiler: show

im gay

Spoiler: show

peepeepoopoo

[Marmot]

Here's a fun wagon-coloring thing


DAY 1

7 - JaggedJimmyJay --- leetic, Marmot, Lime Coke, cassandra, staypositivefriend, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, NotAnAxehole
5 - anne --- Master Radishes, falcon45ca, JaggedJimmyJay, nutella, DrWilgy
2 - DrWilgy --- ilario, iaafr
1 - Dyslexicon --- MacDougall
1 - NotAnAxehole --- anne
1 - sleep --- Dyslexicon

No Vote --- Sloonei/Esooa


DAY 2


5 - MacDougall --- Marmot, anne, Lime Coke, DrWilgy, staypositivefriend
5 - anne --- cassandra, iaafr, nutella, Dyslexicon, NotAnAxehole
2 - Esooa --- Esooa, leetic
1 - iaafr --- ilario
1 - NotAnAxehole --- MacDougall
1 - nutella --- falcon45ca



We should probably continue the trend of having anne's wagon be an entirely new set of voters with the exception of nutella.

[Dyslexicon]

Here's a fun wagon-coloring thing


DAY 1

7 - JaggedJimmyJay --- leetic, Marmot, Lime Coke, cassandra, staypositivefriend, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, NotAnAxehole
5 - anne --- Master Radishes, falcon45ca, JaggedJimmyJay, nutella, DrWilgy
2 - DrWilgy --- ilario, iaafr
1 - Dyslexicon --- MacDougall
1 - NotAnAxehole --- anne
1 - sleep --- Dyslexicon

No Vote --- Sloonei/Esooa


DAY 2


5 - MacDougall --- Marmot, anne, Lime Coke, DrWilgy, staypositivefriend
5 - anne --- cassandra, iaafr, nutella, Dyslexicon, NotAnAxehole
2 - Esooa --- Esooa, leetic
1 - iaafr --- ilario
1 - NotAnAxehole --- MacDougall
1 - nutella --- falcon45ca



We should probably continue the trend of having anne's wagon be an entirely new set of voters with the exception of nutella.

Hm. But what if it's Esooa/Wilgy and Anne actually was a real cw on D1?
But why has Anne stopped solving?

[Dyslexicon]

Fine, I'll be one of the cool ones

[VOTE: Esooa] aubergine

[Marmot]

I kinda want to chop anne now. And here's why:


I think that Mac is more likely a bus attempt than Jay. Jay had taken heat on Day 1, but he wasn't truly in danger until the final hour of the day, so any wolves who bussed him would have had to be active at EOD. I've already analyzed the EOD1, and concluded that everyone on Jay's wagon is likely town. NAA I thought was possible scum, but that is now wrong. I think SPF has slight potential, but unlikely. Everyone else there is town.

Mac had a role that, upon death, would take a villager down with him. Of all the wolves to bus, his was probably the optimal one. DrWilgy and anne are the two players who were not on Jay's wagon who are on MacDougall's wagon.


I also think that if anne is a wolf, it clears nutella. esooa being a wolf doesn't really clear anyone. She still could be, I'm just trying to think ahead too.

[Marmot]

LOL Dizzy! I was just talking myself into voting for anne.

[Marmot]

I kinda want to chop anne now. And here's why:


I think that Mac is more likely a bus attempt than Jay. Jay had taken heat on Day 1, but he wasn't truly in danger until the final hour of the day, so any wolves who bussed him would have had to be active at EOD. I've already analyzed the EOD1, and concluded that everyone on Jay's wagon is likely town. NAA I thought was possible scum, but that is now wrong. I think SPF has slight potential, but unlikely. Everyone else there is town.

Mac had a role that, upon death, would take a villager down with him. Of all the wolves to bus, his was probably the optimal one. DrWilgy and anne are the two players who were not on Jay's wagon who are on MacDougall's wagon.


I also think that if anne is a wolf, it clears nutella. esooa being a wolf doesn't really clear anyone. She still could be, I'm just trying to think ahead too.

EBWOP: esooa being a wolf doesn't clear anyone who isn't already cleared in my mind.

[Dyslexicon]

I kinda want to chop anne now. And here's why:


I think that Mac is more likely a bus attempt than Jay. Jay had taken heat on Day 1, but he wasn't truly in danger until the final hour of the day, so any wolves who bussed him would have had to be active at EOD. I've already analyzed the EOD1, and concluded that everyone on Jay's wagon is likely town. NAA I thought was possible scum, but that is now wrong. I think SPF has slight potential, but unlikely. Everyone else there is town.

Mac had a role that, upon death, would take a villager down with him. Of all the wolves to bus, his was probably the optimal one. DrWilgy and anne are the two players who were not on Jay's wagon who are on MacDougall's wagon.


I also think that if anne is a wolf, it clears nutella. esooa being a wolf doesn't really clear anyone. She still could be, I'm just trying to think ahead too.

Lol timing. This is my last post also.

I checked to see, and Wilgy was not around for EoD1. He also stated a preference for Anne and voted her as his last post D1, with no reason attached. The only mention of Anne before that was "Ising the avoiding of Anne" which I don't know what means.

I could definitely see that Anne was the intended bus target for D1, and then Jimmay got run up instead. I also agree that all Jimmay voters on D1 are town. And I also agree that Mac was bussed.

Again, I'd be willing to flip all three. Would be unfortunate if Anne is somehow town and it would cause some players to freak out. I don't think I can rule out a pairing of the three either, though I haven't really tried.

So actually, I'll change my vote back to Anne. But I won't be upset if Esooa is chopped instead. I'd also vote Wilgy for the record. I wish we had a triple chop and could just end this nonsense. Should've probably spent even more time figuring out who I think is the most likely town between my PoE. I'll leave my vote on Anne again and I trust you all to have good judgement when I'm sleeping, cause that has worked so far.

I don't really think we need a flip that clears anyone today though.

[Marmot]

Dizzy can't post anymore, time to ring him up

[VOTE: Dizzy] aubergine

[Marmot]

I'll stick with an esooa vote barring a collaborative agreement to vote elsewhere.

[leetic]

@Dyslexicon, are you tired of me scumreading you? If so, I've got good news for you, because I've just come up with a brilliant plan that could potentially remove you from the PoE. However, if it is to happen, I need the cooperation of @staypositivefriend.

What are you testing?
Well, you see, when I was thinking over your claim I remember that you said that your messages would roleblock people if you are scum. Well, I was thinking that that is something we could test, and I've come up with a way to do it.

So what's the plan?
So, spf uses her second JOAT ability, the one that "can make a players(sic) actions go through on the night that [spf targets] them". If I'm understanding the role correctly, use it on LC, as it's important that his role works tonight. Then, Dyslexicon should send a message to spf. If spf is not roleblocked, then that means Dyslexicon is not mafia according to their claim.

Why does it have to be spf?
Simple process of elimination, well a different PoE to finding wolves but you get the point.
- Esooa and anne have roles that would be perfect for testing roleblocks, but both are likely to be targeted by LC, and if LC dies then those results would be muddled.
- LC's action is too important to risk roleblocking.
- iaafr and Wilgy used their shots and no longer have a night action.
- Marmot and I/ilario never had a night action to begin with.
- Not fully sure that I understand @anne's claim fully, but if it's a potential tracker it could still be useful.

Why should I go along with this plan?
Even if some people townread you, you don't have the mechanical/game event-related evidence that keeps iaafr, LC, and Marmot out of the PoE. If you can do this without roleblocking spf, then you will at the very least move above Wilgy in my list. And, if spf says she was roleblocked, then that means either you or spf lied, and we can solve from there. We already did well today to remove iaafr and Axehole from the PoE, narrowing it further will basically guarantee a town victory as long as town doesn't fall asleep at the wheel.

Does anyone else need to do anything?
@Lime Coke, don't target Dyslexicon or spf if they go along with the plan. I won't tell you how to use your role further, just to use it. Everyone else can just do whatever.

That is a cool plan!
Why, thank you very much. If we can focus on solving, there's no way that we'll lose!

[Lime Coke]

@Dyslexicon, are you tired of me scumreading you? If so, I've got good news for you, because I've just come up with a brilliant plan that could potentially remove you from the PoE. However, if it is to happen, I need the cooperation of @staypositivefriend.

What are you testing?
Well, you see, when I was thinking over your claim I remember that you said that your messages would roleblock people if you are scum. Well, I was thinking that that is something we could test, and I've come up with a way to do it.

So what's the plan?
So, spf uses her second JOAT ability, the one that "can make a players(sic) actions go through on the night that [spf targets] them". If I'm understanding the role correctly, use it on LC, as it's important that his role works tonight. Then, Dyslexicon should send a message to spf. If spf is not roleblocked, then that means Dyslexicon is not mafia according to their claim.

Why does it have to be spf?
Simple process of elimination, well a different PoE to finding wolves but you get the point.
- Esooa and anne have roles that would be perfect for testing roleblocks, but both are likely to be targeted by LC, and if LC dies then those results would be muddled.
- LC's action is too important to risk roleblocking.
- iaafr and Wilgy used their shots and no longer have a night action.
- Marmot and I/ilario never had a night action to begin with.
- Not fully sure that I understand @anne's claim fully, but if it's a potential tracker it could still be useful.

Why should I go along with this plan?
Even if some people townread you, you don't have the mechanical/game event-related evidence that keeps iaafr, LC, and Marmot out of the PoE. If you can do this without roleblocking spf, then you will at the very least move above Wilgy in my list. And, if spf says she was roleblocked, then that means either you or spf lied, and we can solve from there. We already did well today to remove iaafr and Axehole from the PoE, narrowing it further will basically guarantee a town victory as long as town doesn't fall asleep at the wheel.

Does anyone else need to do anything?
@Lime Coke, don't target Dyslexicon or spf if they go along with the plan. I won't tell you how to use your role further, just to use it. Everyone else can just do whatever.

That is a cool plan!
Why, thank you very much. If we can focus on solving, there's no way that we'll lose!

Got it, thanks.

I might have an idea tbh.

[Marmot]

Mafia please kill me tonight so all the people in the plan can talk tomorrow.

[Marmot]

For anyone interested in DrWilgy's mentions and interactions with anne like I was, here they are:

Spoiler: show

Ising the driving for Holiday now.

Notting the comfort of Falcon vote. Ising the avoiding of Anne.

Ising the low hanging fruit. Notting of SPF; the others Lazy.

Wanting of flipping Anne. Ising trusting of Nutella.

Spf is probably my strongest townread, followed by illario/leertic (mainly because they called me 95%), iaafr, lime coke

Every time Esooa posts I want to call her outed mafia but I'm aware I need to read her posts with more scrutiny/less lazily

Marmot is prollllllly town. Falcon's posts suck but he was cleared by Mac so W/E

Not sure on dizzy yet but gth town.

Wilgy still feels bad and I don't like the MR shot at all. my immediate poe is Esooa Wilgy Nutella Mac Anne and if that doesn't contain at least 2/3 id be very surprised. If I townread one replace them with Dizzy.

Honestly I think the JJJ yeet makes things alot more clear cut. There were two viable other wagons in Anne and I.

The only hesitation is that if Anne is scum, but then if that were the case then I have no clue what scum was doing not getting me yeeted? Asleep at the wheel?

Do tell me what you find poor about the MR shot. Was there magical information from the Jay's yeet that I missed?

You didn't even read it

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

If it's any consolation, I read it and appreciate the effort. While I don't think it changes much in terms of your position for me.

Nutella, Mac and I suppose Dizzy all need to resolve before you RN just on JJJ spew and the advent of yesterday. Again, because I wasn't a counter yeet, either scum was asleep or you aren't scum.

Anyways, your alignment would have reflect of Nutella flip. I believe that to be more important rn.

where is everyone? feel like thread was poppin and then poof

I was sleeping then poopin.

Ok Wilgy is towny when he drops the gimmick

Tbh I thought Mr was a bad shot because I had him as town, I think shooting the main CW (Anne) wouldve been correct there, though I wouldn't have cried about a Mac shot.

Fair then. I still haven't really read day 1, but it was JJJ's iso that led me to MR.

My suspicion on Nutella kept me from inquiring the CW. Anne is locktown if Nutella flips scum yes?

Mac was going to take our time regardless of if it was my shot or a yeet.

PoE is pretty straightforward:
Mac, Nutella, Dizzy, Esooa

Falcon will be added if Mac flips red. Anne will be added if Nutella flips green, NAA will be added if Esooa flips red.

Contest me on these 50/50s plz.

I don't know if we win if Ilario, Iaafr, Leetic, Marmot, SPF or Cass is scum without some mechanical savior button.

Still don't think anne's scum, if Wilgy or Axehole flips bad I might consider it but for now there are much better actions

Not really buying the case on Mac right now either

For Anne to be scum I'm pretty sure I have to be as well. I know that is not the case, but can attempt to view from an outside perspective and still don't see that as the case.

Still don't think anne's scum, if Wilgy or Axehole flips bad I might consider it but for now there are much better actions

Not really buying the case on Mac right now either

For Anne to be scum I'm pretty sure I have to be as well. I know that is not the case, but can attempt to view from an outside perspective and still don't see that as the case.

explain why your town alignment confirms anne's? i am missing this logic entirely (may have missed the posts, sorry)

We went from wagon Anne to wagon Jay when I was at 5 votes.

I see little reason why scum, if 2 scum buddies in Anne and Jay were in danger wouldn't have made me the yeet leader.

Still don't think anne's scum, if Wilgy or Axehole flips bad I might consider it but for now there are much better actions

Not really buying the case on Mac right now either

For Anne to be scum I'm pretty sure I have to be as well. I know that is not the case, but can attempt to view from an outside perspective and still don't see that as the case.

explain why your town alignment confirms anne's? i am missing this logic entirely (may have missed the posts, sorry)

We went from wagon Anne to wagon Jay when I was at 5 votes.

I see little reason why scum, if 2 scum buddies in Anne and Jay were in danger wouldn't have made me the yeet leader.

if the team is, say, afk-at-eod mac, afk-at-eod anne, and widely suspected and ill-regarded NAA, it's not like scum really had the clout to do anything about anything that happened at EOD

I suppose. I guess the thing is that I made it free.99 for scum to push me and don't feel like they did (even earlier in the phase for clarity), probably because they were just cool with Anne dying.

I'm here for a brief moment before further holiday driving.

I see Anne is the lead wagon. Neat. Doesn't make sense to me, but I won't cry about it. Still comfortable with either a Nutella or Mac yeet.

I still think anne's wagon is weird because it was a counter wagon to Jay yesterday, and nutella is the only person who voted it both yesterday and is voting for it right now.

Also, 3 of the 5 people voting for anne right now either didn't vote yesterday (Dizzy, Sloonsooa) or voted a vanity wagon (iaafr).


Two of the people voting for anne yesterday are dead: Jay and MR

@falcon45ca @DrWilgy why aren't you voting for anne today?

Because it's weird like you said.

I don't think scum Anne would have had Jay on it. I think there's good reason to assume that both Anne and I are V/V as there was no one really concerned with moving votes from her to me prior to the Jay wagon. I was going out of my way to be an easy yeet for science, but there still wasn't a hard push for it.

I'm here for a brief moment before further holiday driving.

I see Anne is the lead wagon. Neat. Doesn't make sense to me, but I won't cry about it. Still comfortable with either a Nutella or Mac yeet.

Spoiler: show

When you disagree with the main vote target, you fight it, you don't just quietly acquiesce to it. You not really caring about how anne will go down makes you look really wolfy.

See you in an hour.

I disagree. I have stated 3 separate times as to why Anne feels like a miss to me. I don't have the time or energy to dissuade further, especially when I could just be wrong. I'll vote where I want, speak of who I think is correct, and move on.

So like. If I'm wrong on Anne that makes Nutella hard town, making Iaafr hard scum.

Mac killing Falcon on yeet is a risk I'm willing to take 100% of the time. Mostly because it's funny regardless of flip that Falcon would get cheesed like that IF TRUE.

let's gooooooooooooo im getting saved bois

These two players are very compatible from this PoV. DrWilgy did push anne a bit Day 1, but than proceeded to defend her while presenting a PoE of four other players: Mac, nutella, Dizzy, Esooa.

The thing is, if this PoE (well, after Mac) is wrong, we lose this game to mis-elims.


I think it can be reasoned for DrWilgy to be a wolf. Day 1, anne was the bus attempt. It failed and JJJ flipped. Day 2, Mac was the bus attempt, and it barely went over, with DrWilgy and Anne on Mac's wagon. Wilgy shot MR Day 1. There were worse shots, but MR does fall into the camp of a player who was town, and also could be argued to be a reasonable shot. But there were better shots, and I think Wilgy would admit that too. I think part of the reason I'm coming to this conclusion to his how quickly Wilgy jumped to a gamesolve that doesn't contain anne, and so it could be that the two are teammates.


Anyway.

If Wilgy is town, his gamesolve is almost certainly right. But I can very easily see an alternate world where Wilgy is scum.

[Marmot]

Scum should just ff, we got this

[nutella]

all this reasoning is making me think it's anne/wilgy and i'm very tempted to vote anne again but we've all agreed to flip esooa today aa

[Marmot]

I'll wait until you vote anne then call it a bus attempt and turbo you to the moon

[leetic]

For anyone still thinking anne was a bus attempt, why would Jay on D1 choose anne as his preferred wagon when Axehole was still very much viable? It seemed like there was no real reason for scum to have bussed in that state. I want this point to actually be addressed, not with hypotheticals (e.g. "scum could have decided to bus" or "w/w wagons sometimes happen") but with explanations, and throwing out an inactive member doesn't really make sense either as anne did show up the next two days

[Lime Coke]

Like I said y'all do whatever I'll clean up on Day 4 if I'm alive.

Whatever the vote is, no hard feelings I'll just play on.

I'm heading out the house soonish so good luck.

[leetic]

Anyway. This is almost certainly going to be my last post for this phase, for I have to leave for dress rehearsal.

The vote should definitely be either Esooa or nutella. Wilgy is the only other one I would remotely consider. Don't vote for iaafr since he's cleared town. Don't vote for LC or Marmot as they're obvious town. Don't vote for Dyslexicon or sof as we need them if the plan is going to work. anne might merit consideration at f3 but we shouldn't waste this day on what is 97% likely to be a misvote.

Remember to follow the plan. And with that, I leave the rest to @ilario and the rest of town. Good luck, and don't let me down.

[Marmot]

For anyone still thinking anne was a bus attempt, why would Jay on D1 choose anne as his preferred wagon when Axehole was still very much viable? It seemed like there was no real reason for scum to have bussed in that state. I want this point to actually be addressed, not with hypotheticals (e.g. "scum could have decided to bus" or "w/w wagons sometimes happen") but with explanations, and throwing out an inactive member doesn't really make sense either as anne did show up the next two days

When was the NAA wagon feasible? I don't really remember. I looked back at the poll state at 13 minutes before EOD, and Wilgy/anne were the competing wagons at the time.

Wilgy did have a vig, so that particular ability would be far more useful to mafia than most other abilities.


Anyway, I want to answer your question about NAA, I just don't know how to, and don't recall how viable NAA was.

[leetic]

For anyone still thinking anne was a bus attempt, why would Jay on D1 choose anne as his preferred wagon when Axehole was still very much viable? It seemed like there was no real reason for scum to have bussed in that state. I want this point to actually be addressed, not with hypotheticals (e.g. "scum could have decided to bus" or "w/w wagons sometimes happen") but with explanations, and throwing out an inactive member doesn't really make sense either as anne did show up the next two days

When was the NAA wagon feasible? I don't really remember. I looked back at the poll state at 13 minutes before EOD, and Wilgy/anne were the competing wagons at the time.

Wilgy did have a vig, so that particular ability would be far more useful to mafia than most other abilities.


Anyway, I want to answer your question about NAA, I just don't know how to, and don't recall how viable NAA was.

Alright, one last post. JJJ last posted like ninety minutes before EoD (a little bit after post restrictions had been eased) and there were still a good number of votes on Axehole and Wilgy had yet to seriously catch on.

[Marmot]

Doing a Michelle thing, here's the current poll.

Spoiler: show

) cassandra
1
5%
Voters: Marmot

) DrWilgy
1
5%
Voters: ilario

) Dyslexicon
4
20%
Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Master Radishes, Lime Coke, MacDougall

) falcon45ca
1
5%
Voters: NotAnAxehole

) JaggedJimmyJay
2
10%
Voters: falcon45ca, Dyslexicon

) MacDougall
5
25%
Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, nutella, staypositivefriend, DrWilgy, cassandra

) NotAnAxehole
3
15%
Voters: leetic, iaafr, anne


Not Voting: Sloonei

Here's the poll state about ~24 or so hours before EOD1. I've colored it for ease of viewing. This is the only other Day 1 poll I know of.

[Lime Coke]

For anyone still thinking anne was a bus attempt, why would Jay on D1 choose anne as his preferred wagon when Axehole was still very much viable? It seemed like there was no real reason for scum to have bussed in that state. I want this point to actually be addressed, not with hypotheticals (e.g. "scum could have decided to bus" or "w/w wagons sometimes happen") but with explanations, and throwing out an inactive member doesn't really make sense either as anne did show up the next two days

When was the NAA wagon feasible? I don't really remember. I looked back at the poll state at 13 minutes before EOD, and Wilgy/anne were the competing wagons at the time.

Wilgy did have a vig, so that particular ability would be far more useful to mafia than most other abilities.


Anyway, I want to answer your question about NAA, I just don't know how to, and don't recall how viable NAA was.

Alright, one last post. JJJ last posted like ninety minutes before EoD (a little bit after post restrictions had been eased) and there were still a good number of votes on Axehole and Wilgy had yet to seriously catch on.

Also keep in mind again the thing with Rabbit and I saying something about Anne being town for reasons and JJJ talking about considering, then just voting Anne 10 minutes later.

[Lime Coke]

I keep going back to defending her but the reasons come up when things are brought up.

[Marmot]

For anyone still thinking anne was a bus attempt, why would Jay on D1 choose anne as his preferred wagon when Axehole was still very much viable? It seemed like there was no real reason for scum to have bussed in that state. I want this point to actually be addressed, not with hypotheticals (e.g. "scum could have decided to bus" or "w/w wagons sometimes happen") but with explanations, and throwing out an inactive member doesn't really make sense either as anne did show up the next two days

When was the NAA wagon feasible? I don't really remember. I looked back at the poll state at 13 minutes before EOD, and Wilgy/anne were the competing wagons at the time.

Wilgy did have a vig, so that particular ability would be far more useful to mafia than most other abilities.


Anyway, I want to answer your question about NAA, I just don't know how to, and don't recall how viable NAA was.

Alright, one last post. JJJ last posted like ninety minutes before EoD (a little bit after post restrictions had been eased) and there were still a good number of votes on Axehole and Wilgy had yet to seriously catch on.

I skimmed back through the last ~4 hours of the day, and the only votes for NAA I could find were LC, you, and nutella, but not all at once, and I don't think he ever ended up with more than 2 votes at least during that time.

NAA was defending JJJ from being yeeted, so at least for JJJ, I think it makes sense that he didn't push NAA. He needed to keep pocketing him.

Mac wasn't around. So depending on who the scum team is, it's very plausible that they just weren't around.


Also, keep in mind this is a game where an uninformed majority and an informed minority are going head-to-head. Town being an uninformed minority, most things are going to be hypothetical, so take it or leave it.

[Marmot]

I've hit post cap

Will be back in 15 minutes or whenever it's lifted.

[iaafr]

lime coke, all of your frustrations would ring less hollow if you werent preflipping anne town but the fact that youre basing all your rage on the idea that anne is town and everybody sussing anne is obviously wrong is uh

putting the cart before the horse

extremely frustrating from our end when we've repeated multiple times where theres no fundamental reason why anne cant be a w wagon as well

[ilario]

I isod top wagon quickly and I don’t see any problems with esooas posts @Marmot @nutella @Dyslexicon can you all please @ me with why ur voting esooa and how confident you are in the flip being a wolf

are you sure you read the right iso

It was a 5 minute skim lol. How about instead of replying with a useless remark you tell me why it’s scummy

[ilario]

Spoiler: show

Can I get a brief summary of the main wagons so that I can attempt to weigh in on stuff?

The only one with actual clear reasoning is Mac's for questionable mech usage (but falcon is vouching for him). The rest are various shades of shrugs.

Should we be skeptical of the five people who are voting for axehole for shadey shrugs?

I want to ask about mac's questionable mech usage, but I don't want to force anyone to waste posts explaining something to me that probably has an easily searchable answer, but if someone doesn't mind doing that I would appreciate it.

This was Sloonei's only mention of Mac. It could be a way of acknowledging him while asking people to not engage him with it. Weird.

iaafr looking bad on votes is good actaully

Can you read Mac's iso and tell us what it means? He stunk Day 1.

not rn

Esooa says she won't iso mac when I asked her to after subbing in.

This post looks town to me for reasons I don’t want to get into. The EM gang or others should say if they feel this is not a post to be town read.

leetic/ilario are probably my top town read.

lol Jay wolfing

ok ur town lol

Why

Do me a favour and just ignore my presence until I do things that matter k?

these look unaligned to me btw

Not rly

Disagrees when iaafr calls Mac and JJJ unaligned. This post feels more contrarian than anything.

No

Yeah you're full of shit. [VOTE: Esooa] aubergine Even my previous point for you can be rescinded given nutella's interaction, and you have not given me one indication you are town. nutella's still scummier but I would not mind going after this.

Your previous points are about Sloonei, lmfao

90% of the rest are "PoE cause they subbed in "

The only existing not-that reasons are Alexa going off because I didn't agree with her, and SPF saying that I am slightly tonally off in whatever way, I forgot

Extremely cringe

You have tried to go after me for basically no reason other than "wallpost", you've tried shading Mac with no explanation, you have a hedgy and overly convoluted nutella defense, nutella has given a number of strong indications of being partnered with you, I don't even care about Sloonei at this point because the evidence against you is so much stronger.

I'm gonna tell you why this post is really fucking awful then leave

You're doing the same shit people do every game someone subs in where you think because my reads aren't the equivalent of other day 2-esque reads they're bad, and it's stupid

I never shaded Mac and to even try to call it that is AWFUL

I COMPLETELY VALIDLY said his interactions that Iaafr quoted are not good for him

Mac is literally one of the best people at making good w/w interactions I know

He has literally made a partner die because he randomly RT'd a red on them and they responded poorly

I did not hedge on my Nutella defense, I explained my thoughts irt to the post

Partially too because it was something I was feeling earlier, and then remember that's just a part of Nutella, and it's probably towny overall

The "Nutella is partnered with you" thing is really just pointless

Thnx tho, later now

I don't believe esooa ever tried to shade Mac, so I do believe she's right about that point.

Mac is good at making w/w interactions, that is also a good point.

There aren't any reads on Mac here, but this post is fine overall. I can definitely understand esooa's frustration upon entering the game the way she did (or really, the way anyone does). No one gave her a chance to ease into the game, myself included.

I'm pretty sure nanook is exactly the kill Mac would make btw

This exactly the post I made at EOD lmao.

mac's green is probably just fake cause they're lovers

mac do you know iaafr

esooa you know me better than to think that I'd make a d1 play like that with a teammate

... yes?

if you're a wolf the green obviously isn't valid

if you're town I don't really think it is

I'm town reading falcon regardless

given the mafia got alerted when i checked falcon there's guaranteed to be a mafia voting me with the way that I was playing because they know it's 2 for the price of 1

what lol

esooa you know me better than to think that I'd make a d1 play like that with a teammate

... yes?

if you're a wolf the green obviously isn't valid

if you're town I don't really think it is

I'm town reading falcon regardless

you think that I would gambit day 1 on fake green checking my teammate?

no, my point was if your a wolf the check literally isn't relevant anyways

so the statement only means anything if you're town

This interaction I think looks reasonable for esooa until the end

mac is probably just town actually

not cause of anything he's posted recently but I think if he's a wolf solving in lover chat and stuff, he just puts that activity in thread instead of like flopping about

like if he's already solving and putting energy into the game I can't see the motivation to not use that to get town read more as a wolf

This read doesn't make sense to me. I feel like esooa gave herself reasons to scumread Mac, but ended up with a townread based on how she assumes Mac would play the game.

But I don't blame her for the assumption. Mac did feel like he was flailing, and that was a portion of why I had trouble scumreading him, he wasn't trying to control the game.

Spoiler: show

Finished reading day 1. I'm kinda tired of reading posts so I skimmed/wasn't absorbing much of the EoD, but should be fine

anne - will talk about more after, generally pretty whelmed by her posts but I've liked it more than not. The biggest thing for me was her SPF read about big posts, where she posted it going like "the scummiest thing about spf is her post size," was pressured on it and said it wasn't really serious, then after being pressured a little more explains the read with like 2 decent paragraphs. It's a read that I've had on SPF before too so I kinda understand it, but mostly I think the treatment of shirking on the read by saying it's not really serious but actually having the opinion (cause she explained it and seemed decently serious) makes me think it's just genuine, it's something I've felt a lot where I'm like "yeah I don't really want to give this read cause people won't like me for it so it's just kinda a joke"

cassandra - Talked about for the most part, I thought while reading EoD briefly that her thread positioning fits a wolf who's just kinda riding consensus (which I do think is a problem right now) which also would involve going with the flow and bussing JJJ day 1, but her posts really just don't read like a bus. Even if Alexa was intending to deep wolf this game which isn't really implausible imo, I doubt she ever goes out of her way to get a partner killed when he wasn't really in contention that EoD until she talked about him a lot

DrWilgy - honestly got close to nothing from his day 1 posts. He's posted a few decently lucid thoughts this day phase that I liked, but I don't really know how he plays as wolf. Everything I've seen from him seems in line with his town games from before, though. The biggest problem I have with him is mostly other peoples posting about him, lol. People saying "the MR shot was good for him"

Like, it was on a towny, and it's not rly like he's just going to out to shoot someone outer PoE imo. Radishes is also someone who can contribute pretty well but is also a low accountability kill, like I think it's a scummier kill than not tbh.

Though I just remembered specifically his posting about calling Anne town, that was pretty good and I generally agree with the thoughts, would add those to my reasons to town read Anne

Dyslexicon - Liked their vibes but their recent reads list really pinged me

They read all of day 1 and just dropped a PoE going "Mac Anne Esooa" and it made me really just go like

This is actually just the consensus PoE for the past 24 hours and no one has cared, like hello pls why is this a thing

Particularly don't like it irt mostly in annoyance because I think I'm PoE only for being a sub, but I think it's a pretty good demonstration of what I mean. I have 88 posts in 24 hours already and I still feel like I'm being treated as a nothing slot and nobody really cares that much about my placement, the people who really do I think are decently likely town regardless. And the same thing is being done with Mac/Anne where they're just... existing as PoE and nothing is being done about it. No one's being pushed, Anne has been decently wagoned but there's no one really convicted she's a wolf, it's just kinda like.. yeah she's vaguely scummy, and votes are just placed on her

I think especially because I'm town and no one is taking any interest in movement it decently raises the others chances of being town, btw, but I digress, going back to Dizzy;

The way they engaged with the reads just felt shitty and made the thread state particularly hit me. They read day 1, which like yeah that's good, but then afterwards just dropped their fully consensus PoE with no real interest in actually solving these slots. I've posted around Dizzy a few times and liked that we had similar thoughts, but they don't even seem to have registered that fact. They said "Mac's day 1 was pretty lackluster, hope he picks it up day 2," but doesn't talk about or investigate his day 2 at all. The drive to solve from Dizzy just feels non-existent and I really didn't like it

I was gonna say their recent clap back against Illario was good, though, mostly for it feeling like a kinda towny "get the fuck off me," while I think wolf Dizzy would indeed be more of a smooth talker/etc, but I dunno I'm feeling they're decently wolfy now, prob just going to say they're null becuase idk about the Marmot interactions and think Marmot is decently wolfy

falcon45ca - Pretty confident he's town, like very. Green checked by Mac which I agree isn't ever w/w (his wolf equity probably actually increases if Mac is town cause I still kinda feel like the check is fake) but mostly has just been genuinely towny in giving like, hard hitting reads lol, as in when he explains his wolf reads they just have good conviction, and he pushes on things with determination the way he does as town, etc.

iaafr - Probs town. Had some slight paranoia from reading EoD he could be a wolf because his JJJ vote seemingly came out of no where, but I possibly just don't remember his previous stance on JJJ. I think the way he flip flopped on the read still is good but doubtfully hard clearing just cause I've pointed out this thing before and there's enough people with "iaafr meta" that I think he'd possibly be aware enough to try and subvert it like he did, more leaning to town still though. Generally just based on vibes, way he's posting, so I don't have a specific "this is town" thing from him. Some random thoughts on him I put down cause why not are that I actually did really like the way he approach SPF, he mentioned to me in DM's recently that he thinks SPF has very AI openers, and without me in the game too he brings out this read in specific about SPF, paying specific attention to her opener. Another thing I liked was the way he defended Nutella but didn't want to commit to it mostly because it reminds me of his thoughts about Limestone from a previous game, though I'm kinda eh on that particular read as the days gone longer

ilario/leetic - getting town vibes from both atm. Leetic is funny to me but the way he's pushing things seems more like a towny committed to their processes than a wolf trying to be obtuse to sow division, particularly got this feeling around EoD1. I haven't cared to read either much but Illario has just been really towny imo. Approach to NAA was good, like saying a player is mafia because they're town siding too much. Biggest thing I have in his favor was from EoD1 when he was like "why is (x person, I forgot) a wagon, I hope I get night killed."

Classic Illario town moment

Lime Coke - honestly haven't really been trying to solve him at all. His recent posts about "this day phase is weird" have made me :? slightly because he's mentioned it a few times but hasn't even talked about and is just... saying it. I also just kinda find the posts funny because NAA was saying he always goes into lost mode as town mid-game lmao but yea. People are generally reading him town, I'm fine with it don't care, if he lives another day or two will just ISO then and be able to get a decently confident read probably

MacDougall - think Mac is more likely town than not. Usually when I see him try to dig himself out of holes as mafia he does it more so trying to emulate his town style. Posting reads off the cuff, throwing his ego around, kinda thing. He's done some of the ego stuff but not as much, and the biggest response to pressure from him was just writing a big iaafr case that I liked the spontaneity of and I don't particularly think he'd be casing iaafr here as a wolf cause just.. why

Tbh, thinking this is less strong of a reason than I had in my head now that I write it out though. I do agree that sitting around doing nothing comes from wolf Mac a lot more often than town Mac, too, so yeah.

Marmot - I've explained this one, already wrote enough in this post. Kinda having doubts about him mostly because of volume, I don't really know how capable he is of that as a wolf, but like, I don't really like the way most of his volume is made anyways tbh. It's all very disconnected, and especially when he explains his previous thoughts they're very empty. Like, when I asked him about the Nutella stuff, he gave very generic reasoning for the posts I quoted... but also didn't mention the thought processes going into some of his posts he made about Nutella around that time that I *didn't* quote

And like, if he's actually going thought his thought processes, it feels weird he wouldn't talk about that? Or just have more going on in general, tbh

I kinda thought his response to pressure earlier was wolfy, I don't know how much I care about that now. Not much but I may as well mention

Basically he was pretty aggro about wolf reads on him, calling them really bad, but then he immediately switched into like, cooperative mode, going "I don't think this day phase has been going in a good direction for town, we need to come together to fix the problem." It just felt skeevy but meh

NotAnAxehole - I think he's had a few towny posts but I'm going back and forth on him. I guess he's PoE, but not really a priority at all. His post earlier about me not having thoughts on spew from the wolf was good, mostly because in one of the most previous games we played I read his spew pretty in depth to push his wolf partner Alison, so it makes sense he's expecting me to look at those kinda things again. It's mostly a minor point, though. He had some posts day 1 that were like, snap read kinda things, just posting thoughts on a fair few things in quick succession. I could be wrong about this because I didn't read much of backwards mafia where he was a wolf, but I recall his reads being a lot more formulaic/stilted in that game, not as flowy as there.

I think by far the worst part about NAA is his JJJ read. He talked a lot about JJJ, and basically seemed to put a strong emphasis on JJJ's influence in his game, but at the same time claimed... no read on him. I don't really understand how you can not have a read on someone who's a focal point of your game, and it felt like an excuse more than anything. I also think him being on the wagon is actually bad considering his earlier stuff in the EoD about not voting JJJ

nutella - have felt like she's slightly towny in terms of her reads. Have some minor gripes but meh. I think the pressure against her SoD2 was jumped on by a wolf, which helps, tbh I don't remember who all did that but I know Marmot did at least which I didn't like, lol. I do agree with Iaafr's opinion that Nutella's posts about JJJ don't look partnered but I kinda expected more? Like the one Dizzy quoted earlier and said they liked was good, but I didn't really see much else from Nutella about JJJ that I went like "yeah this is someone without TMI on JJJ"

I also just barely lost to wolf!Alexa due to associative reads lol, (Gira was the one who pulled the trigger on that but I was thinking the same while alive), and kinda was thinking after seeing that, that I shouldn't be clearing partners off of like... individual posts that can really intentionally be wifomy. Nutella's thoughts about JJJ extend past one post but not significantly.

Do agree that her having no tunnels is a bit but eh. Town leaning her

staypositivefriend - Pretty conflicted on SPF this game which I don't like, leaning her wolf though. I have a lot of stuff that I'd need to pull posts for that I don't really want to do right now because I've spent a lot of time writing this but basically, I don't really agree with Alexa that SPF's EoD was that good. She did venture off the wagons temporarily that led to JJJ being in contention, but I don't think "I don't want to kill JJJ today" is something SPF wouldn't be able to post as a wolf. It's like, not that hard to think as a wolf considering it's a pretty common thought, and she did a few things I didn't like EoD. Immediately after saying she thought JJJ was wolfy but she didn't want to kill him that day, she made a really, really really wolfy post; I'm actually going to go find it.

i think that wilgy is the type of player that people might find easy to push on regardless of his alignment, and i also would be lying if i said that ive gotten anything alignment indicative out of his posts

the real reason that im voting for him is because he has a vested interest in maintaining an active presence in this game, but he does not appear to have a vested interest in solving the game. when someone cares a lot about a game but that "caring" doesn't translate to any visible scumhunting, then it can be indicative of the person playing in a wolf mindset

So, in the first paragraph she says "I would be lying if I said that I've gotten anything AI out of (Wilgys) posts"

But then immediately after goes,

then it can be indicative of the person playing in a wolf mindset

while saying something he's done that's wolfy. Saying, like, someone is null to you (the first paragraph), then going into "but here's something they've done that's wolfy actually, and I want them dead today" just reads so awful to me

Other random stuff I didn't like is like, her post earlier saying "I think this PoE from Mac was possibly made to wolf side,"

Which is such a weird sounding thought to begin with, but reading day 1 with that thought in mind I just go... really? Like, this Mac is making PoE's trying to hard wolf side?

He didn't do anything or push anything, and then a wolf died. I really don't think that's a wolf-siding Mac, wolf!Mac here is pretty obviously just doing nothing

I also disliked how disjointed SPF's EoD was. She threw out like.. 4 or 5 posts that were just paragraphs of her posting a thought, without much interaction. It all sounded rehearsed to me, too

I have the p403 is partnery from SPF I'm not gonna find it so there's that

Anyways what I was gonna write after all this is just stuff like, I think the gamestate rn is pretty bad just in the sense there's no real pushes and the votes on PoE are really consensus and basically no one cares, all the people who I see doing non-consensus stuff I think are town, and it's just not good imo

Current people I want to look into more are like, Marmot first of all, probably actually SPF second there, then Dizzy

Though this is a confusing amalgamation of people in terms of interactions but eh lmao

Again, esooa gives herself reasons to scumread Mac, but ends up townreading him. This time she acknowledges that this is how Mac would play the game out as a wolf.

i also find it kinda odd that you say mac usually tries to make himself get townread as a wolf by doing "off the cuff" stuff, and then note in the same paragraph that you townread the "spontaneity" of his wolfread on iaafr. isnt that exactly what youre arguing he would try to do as a wolf? this might be nitpicky but i dont really understand ur read on mac and it seems like the least fleshed out read in ur whole readslist, which kinda surprises me given (to my memory) you usually really like trying to sort out mac in games like this

I'm going to use another post because I can't help myself, responding to SPF

I guess I get what you mean about the Wilgy stuff, I mean, the specific idea that "Wilgy's posts individually were NAI but I was reading into his overall playstyle," but don't really think that's how the post comes across in how it's said

That could be partially though cause I realize now I mostly skimmed Wilgy day 1 and honestly got nothing out of his day 1 posts myself lmao, most my read on him was based on day 2. The words he was using were rly annoying to try to understand

So yeah to that

Your posts about Anne like, I mean I was being overly simplistic in the writing of it, but still, you say yourself that the reasons to wolf read her aren't like... thattt great. But she's been a wagon all day

That's also including I'm reminded that like

Both mason are defending her

And people just aren't biting

if you're town I'm probably not picking up stuff cause most this game has been played from me from behind

Both literally and figuratively in the sense that I had to backread an entire day before having the full context (while I've been kinda busy with work), and also just that I've been pretty annoyingly PoE'd because of the existence of an.. 11 poster

Who like, shouldn't even matter at this point

I mean, there's also just random dumb stuff like leetic getting angy I don't have a 100% solid list with exactly 3 wolves and everyone else town or whatever

In regards to the Mac stuff, what I mean by off the cuff posting is just like his typical snap read kinda things. Going "this person is mafia for this" and just saying random stuff

I usually read him by like, if I think he's just saying bullshit or if I actually like his snap reads

But this game my point is, he's doing none of that, and why not? imo as a wolf he wouldn't like, deter from acting like typical town!mac because what does that gain him here in terms of town reads? Is that really the best way to help his position? I don't think so,

And instead, he dropped a case, that I call spontaneous because there was a lot to it, it didn't seem to me to be something he just randomly posted. Like he had the thoughts before, and decided to post them then. So what I like about it isn't the similarities to the 'off the cuff' stuff, but the fact he had thoughts brewing that he didn't really feel the direct need to talk about. Similar to the stuff with his lovers chat, too.

hopefully explained that stuff well, but I'm kinda exhausted of writing all these larger posts after reading like 1000 posts lol

That being said though I mean, iaafr could just be right I'm being dumb about the game in general so idk

Kill who ever you want ig lol, my larger concern rly is just that like, I really doubt people's PoE's are actually solid and seems to be a lot of aversion to actually considering that the people in it might be town

meh

Esooa comes back to saying that Mac's behavior doesn't make sense for wolf!Mac, so he must be town. Like, esooa is changing her perception of what Mac's alignment could be based on his play without changing her read.

emagherd if you nerds just let this play out the way I wanted I'd be killed by mafia without trying which would be hilar

just pretend to townread me and we will go away and you won't have to worry about us anymore... amazing stuff!

Yeah but this is mafia so you should find wolves, not just survive.

if I can get myself killed by the mafia early when they're trying to get me mischopped that's more +ev for town than me making reads tbh

bruh

you can do both

I do like this post from esooa. Not enough to townread her, but she did call him out for his behavior here.

I just wish I could see intention in solving his alignment, because I don't.

Mac not being here is bad too

iaafr I guess got bonked for posting over the cap so lmao

I don't think this post is AI, but I don't know what it means.

he is town

eh probably, but not resolved

how do you tihnk Falcon is town, but the best ? thing about chopping mac is you resolve your town read on an obvious town player

posts wolfily

I'll let you reread my post and look at the parenthesis instead of responding to your continued conf-biasing.

I literally do not know what it's supposed to mean if not that

You put the emphasis on best and worst in parathensis

Like I don't rly even care what you thought you meant when making that post it just generally doesn't make sense

If you're town reading Falcon, who is obvious town, why are you even putting "possibly the best"

esooa and I argue over the cons/benefits of chopping Mac in the waning moments of the day phase.

My point about the original post is that if Mac and falcon are both scum, resolving them is the best

If either one of them are scum, resolving them is the best. Why? We have to chop all the mafia anyway, falcon was always going to die for town to win this game.

If they're both town, it's the worst, because we lose two at once.

Also, falcon isn't automatically resolved before he dies, because we're assuming that they're lovers based on what they told us, it wasn't a guarantee. It was probably true, but they could have both. been scum and not lovers, or both town and playing a gambit. Long odds, but not guaranteed.

I didn't want to take the time to explain this at EOD because it would take too long.


I'm concerned that esooa was trying to pressure me in this dire moment into not voting Mac because it would mean killing my townread, falcon.

I am now voting Mac

vote: sloonei

Guys a wolf did u see his day 1

esooa votes Mac briefly before self-voting. I don't think this is AI for esooa, this is just funny content

Here's esooa's mentions/interactions with Mac in this game.

I think the worst thing for esooa here is that she made three consecutive takes on Mac that looked like this:

1) Mac's not trying to get townread, so he's probably a wolf
2) Mac sitting around doing nothing comes more from wolf!Mac than town!Mac
3) As wolf he wouldn't like, deter from acting like typical town!mac

Point number 2 came in the midst of giving him a townread anyway. It doesn't look like she's trying to solve his slot at all, more like she's trying to force a townread on him.


My conclusion is that a lot of this, including her final vote, is very partner indicative.

@ilario I think you were the one who asked. Here is my conclusion to reading esooa's ISO, there's more reactions inside the spoiler, but my tl;dr is outside.

Tyyy I appreciate the explanation

[Marmot]

I gave you some stuff to respond to ilario wert esooa.

[Marmot]

ninjaed

[nutella]

I isod top wagon quickly and I don’t see any problems with esooas posts @Marmot @nutella @Dyslexicon can you all please @ me with why ur voting esooa and how confident you are in the flip being a wolf

are you sure you read the right iso

It was a 5 minute skim lol. How about instead of replying with a useless remark you tell me why it’s scummy

idk how you dont see it, imo she was flippant to everyone and just throwing meaningless votes on villagers and just overall seems like a deflated wolf

but if you wanna vote anne instead i'm very down again after marmot/dizzy analysis convincing me again

[ilario]

I haven’t read today and leetic isn’t online discord, he told me iaafr is confirmed town earlier, does anyone have any objections to what he said about bunny? Because I might just sheep the clear today if I don’t know what to do

[nutella]

oh yeah and the mac stuff

[nutella]

I haven’t read today and leetic isn’t online discord, he told me iaafr is confirmed town earlier, does anyone have any objections to what he said about bunny? Because I might just sheep the clear today if I don’t know what to do

iaafr is clear yes

i recommend reading today if you can, would like to know what you think of what marmot has presented re anne

[ilario]

I isod top wagon quickly and I don’t see any problems with esooas posts @Marmot @nutella @Dyslexicon can you all please @ me with why ur voting esooa and how confident you are in the flip being a wolf

are you sure you read the right iso

It was a 5 minute skim lol. How about instead of replying with a useless remark you tell me why it’s scummy

idk how you dont see it, imo she was flippant to everyone and just throwing meaningless votes on villagers and just overall seems like a deflated wolf

but if you wanna vote anne instead i'm very down again after marmot/dizzy analysis convincing me again

The thing that pinged her to me was her push on naa the previous day but I haven’t noticed much of her other posts

[Marmot]

my current reads from towniest to scummiest

Marmot
iaafr
Lime Coke
ilario/leetic
Dizzy
spf
nutella
DrWilgy
anne
esooa


Something like this probably. I keep forgetting spf is playing tbh

[ilario]

As in I’ve noticed it, but it didn’t really jump out to me one way or another as far as alignment goes