Re: Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo
Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 4:07 pm
Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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Hi I'm gay
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 4:14 pm I'm going to sleep at some point, and definitely won't be here for EoD as usual. Will probably leave my vote on Anne, but I'm ok with any chop between Anne, Wilgy and Esooa. This is my firm PoE. Would be kind of funny to leave my vote on Anne all the time, have her not be chopped and see her flip mafia in the end and be vindicated. I don't know which one between the three is town. I have a hard time seeing anyone else as scum here, and would need a really convincing case for me to want anyone else chopped above those three.
If anyone have more concerns about my alignment and stuff, please be specific about it and I'll try not to snap lol. I think I have like six posts before I'm capped.
I don't know, I'm just lucky igMarmot wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 4:16 pmDyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 4:14 pm I'm going to sleep at some point, and definitely won't be here for EoD as usual. Will probably leave my vote on Anne, but I'm ok with any chop between Anne, Wilgy and Esooa. This is my firm PoE. Would be kind of funny to leave my vote on Anne all the time, have her not be chopped and see her flip mafia in the end and be vindicated. I don't know which one between the three is town. I have a hard time seeing anyone else as scum here, and would need a really convincing case for me to want anyone else chopped above those three.
If anyone have more concerns about my alignment and stuff, please be specific about it and I'll try not to snap lol. I think I have like six posts before I'm capped.
How are you so gay?
Hm. But what if it's Esooa/Wilgy and Anne actually was a real cw on D1?Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:14 pm Here's a fun wagon-coloring thing
DAY 1
7 - JaggedJimmyJay --- leetic, Marmot, Lime Coke, cassandra, staypositivefriend, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, NotAnAxehole
5 - anne --- Master Radishes, falcon45ca, JaggedJimmyJay, nutella, DrWilgy
2 - DrWilgy --- ilario, iaafr
1 - Dyslexicon --- MacDougall
1 - NotAnAxehole --- anne
1 - sleep --- Dyslexicon
No Vote --- Sloonei/Esooa
DAY 2
5 - MacDougall --- Marmot, anne, Lime Coke, DrWilgy, staypositivefriend
5 - anne --- cassandra, iaafr, nutella, Dyslexicon, NotAnAxehole
2 - Esooa --- Esooa, leetic
1 - iaafr --- ilario
1 - NotAnAxehole --- MacDougall
1 - nutella --- falcon45ca
We should probably continue the trend of having anne's wagon be an entirely new set of voters with the exception of nutella.
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:23 pm I kinda want to chop anne now. And here's why:
I think that Mac is more likely a bus attempt than Jay. Jay had taken heat on Day 1, but he wasn't truly in danger until the final hour of the day, so any wolves who bussed him would have had to be active at EOD. I've already analyzed the EOD1, and concluded that everyone on Jay's wagon is likely town. NAA I thought was possible scum, but that is now wrong. I think SPF has slight potential, but unlikely. Everyone else there is town.
Mac had a role that, upon death, would take a villager down with him. Of all the wolves to bus, his was probably the optimal one. DrWilgy and anne are the two players who were not on Jay's wagon who are on MacDougall's wagon.
I also think that if anne is a wolf, it clears nutella. esooa being a wolf doesn't really clear anyone. She still could be, I'm just trying to think ahead too.
Lol timing. This is my last post also.Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:23 pm I kinda want to chop anne now. And here's why:
I think that Mac is more likely a bus attempt than Jay. Jay had taken heat on Day 1, but he wasn't truly in danger until the final hour of the day, so any wolves who bussed him would have had to be active at EOD. I've already analyzed the EOD1, and concluded that everyone on Jay's wagon is likely town. NAA I thought was possible scum, but that is now wrong. I think SPF has slight potential, but unlikely. Everyone else there is town.
Mac had a role that, upon death, would take a villager down with him. Of all the wolves to bus, his was probably the optimal one. DrWilgy and anne are the two players who were not on Jay's wagon who are on MacDougall's wagon.
I also think that if anne is a wolf, it clears nutella. esooa being a wolf doesn't really clear anyone. She still could be, I'm just trying to think ahead too.
Got it, thanks.leetic wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:48 pm @Dyslexicon, are you tired of me scumreading you? If so, I've got good news for you, because I've just come up with a brilliant plan that could potentially remove you from the PoE. However, if it is to happen, I need the cooperation of @staypositivefriend.
What are you testing?
Well, you see, when I was thinking over your claim I remember that you said that your messages would roleblock people if you are scum. Well, I was thinking that that is something we could test, and I've come up with a way to do it.
So what's the plan?
So, spf uses her second JOAT ability, the one that "can make a players(sic) actions go through on the night that [spf targets] them". If I'm understanding the role correctly, use it on LC, as it's important that his role works tonight. Then, Dyslexicon should send a message to spf. If spf is not roleblocked, then that means Dyslexicon is not mafia according to their claim.
Why does it have to be spf?
Simple process of elimination, well a different PoE to finding wolves but you get the point.
- Esooa and anne have roles that would be perfect for testing roleblocks, but both are likely to be targeted by LC, and if LC dies then those results would be muddled.
- LC's action is too important to risk roleblocking.
- iaafr and Wilgy used their shots and no longer have a night action.
- Marmot and I/ilario never had a night action to begin with.
- Not fully sure that I understand @anne's claim fully, but if it's a potential tracker it could still be useful.
Why should I go along with this plan?
Even if some people townread you, you don't have the mechanical/game event-related evidence that keeps iaafr, LC, and Marmot out of the PoE. If you can do this without roleblocking spf, then you will at the very least move above Wilgy in my list. And, if spf says she was roleblocked, then that means either you or spf lied, and we can solve from there. We already did well today to remove iaafr and Axehole from the PoE, narrowing it further will basically guarantee a town victory as long as town doesn't fall asleep at the wheel.
Does anyone else need to do anything?
@Lime Coke, don't target Dyslexicon or spf if they go along with the plan. I won't tell you how to use your role further, just to use it. Everyone else can just do whatever.
That is a cool plan!
Why, thank you very much. If we can focus on solving, there's no way that we'll lose!
leetic wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 7:22 pm For anyone still thinking anne was a bus attempt, why would Jay on D1 choose anne as his preferred wagon when Axehole was still very much viable? It seemed like there was no real reason for scum to have bussed in that state. I want this point to actually be addressed, not with hypotheticals (e.g. "scum could have decided to bus" or "w/w wagons sometimes happen") but with explanations, and throwing out an inactive member doesn't really make sense either as anne did show up the next two days
Alright, one last post. JJJ last posted like ninety minutes before EoD (a little bit after post restrictions had been eased) and there were still a good number of votes on Axehole and Wilgy had yet to seriously catch on.Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 7:28 pmleetic wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 7:22 pm For anyone still thinking anne was a bus attempt, why would Jay on D1 choose anne as his preferred wagon when Axehole was still very much viable? It seemed like there was no real reason for scum to have bussed in that state. I want this point to actually be addressed, not with hypotheticals (e.g. "scum could have decided to bus" or "w/w wagons sometimes happen") but with explanations, and throwing out an inactive member doesn't really make sense either as anne did show up the next two days
When was the NAA wagon feasible? I don't really remember. I looked back at the poll state at 13 minutes before EOD, and Wilgy/anne were the competing wagons at the time.
Wilgy did have a vig, so that particular ability would be far more useful to mafia than most other abilities.
Anyway, I want to answer your question about NAA, I just don't know how to, and don't recall how viable NAA was.
Also keep in mind again the thing with Rabbit and I saying something about Anne being town for reasons and JJJ talking about considering, then just voting Anne 10 minutes later.leetic wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 7:31 pmAlright, one last post. JJJ last posted like ninety minutes before EoD (a little bit after post restrictions had been eased) and there were still a good number of votes on Axehole and Wilgy had yet to seriously catch on.Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 7:28 pmleetic wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 7:22 pm For anyone still thinking anne was a bus attempt, why would Jay on D1 choose anne as his preferred wagon when Axehole was still very much viable? It seemed like there was no real reason for scum to have bussed in that state. I want this point to actually be addressed, not with hypotheticals (e.g. "scum could have decided to bus" or "w/w wagons sometimes happen") but with explanations, and throwing out an inactive member doesn't really make sense either as anne did show up the next two days
When was the NAA wagon feasible? I don't really remember. I looked back at the poll state at 13 minutes before EOD, and Wilgy/anne were the competing wagons at the time.
Wilgy did have a vig, so that particular ability would be far more useful to mafia than most other abilities.
Anyway, I want to answer your question about NAA, I just don't know how to, and don't recall how viable NAA was.
leetic wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 7:31 pmAlright, one last post. JJJ last posted like ninety minutes before EoD (a little bit after post restrictions had been eased) and there were still a good number of votes on Axehole and Wilgy had yet to seriously catch on.Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 7:28 pmleetic wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 7:22 pm For anyone still thinking anne was a bus attempt, why would Jay on D1 choose anne as his preferred wagon when Axehole was still very much viable? It seemed like there was no real reason for scum to have bussed in that state. I want this point to actually be addressed, not with hypotheticals (e.g. "scum could have decided to bus" or "w/w wagons sometimes happen") but with explanations, and throwing out an inactive member doesn't really make sense either as anne did show up the next two days
When was the NAA wagon feasible? I don't really remember. I looked back at the poll state at 13 minutes before EOD, and Wilgy/anne were the competing wagons at the time.
Wilgy did have a vig, so that particular ability would be far more useful to mafia than most other abilities.
Anyway, I want to answer your question about NAA, I just don't know how to, and don't recall how viable NAA was.
Tyyy I appreciate the explanationMarmot wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 2:07 pmMarmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 2:05 pmSpoiler: show
Here's esooa's mentions/interactions with Mac in this game.
I think the worst thing for esooa here is that she made three consecutive takes on Mac that looked like this:
1) Mac's not trying to get townread, so he's probably a wolf
2) Mac sitting around doing nothing comes more from wolf!Mac than town!Mac
3) As wolf he wouldn't like, deter from acting like typical town!mac
Point number 2 came in the midst of giving him a townread anyway. It doesn't look like she's trying to solve his slot at all, more like she's trying to force a townread on him.
My conclusion is that a lot of this, including her final vote, is very partner indicative.
@ilario I think you were the one who asked. Here is my conclusion to reading esooa's ISO, there's more reactions inside the spoiler, but my tl;dr is outside.
idk how you dont see it, imo she was flippant to everyone and just throwing meaningless votes on villagers and just overall seems like a deflated wolf
iaafr is clear yes
The thing that pinged her to me was her push on naa the previous day but I haven’t noticed much of her other postsnutella wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 8:13 pmidk how you dont see it, imo she was flippant to everyone and just throwing meaningless votes on villagers and just overall seems like a deflated wolf
but if you wanna vote anne instead i'm very down again after marmot/dizzy analysis convincing me again