The Syndicate

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:47 pm Oh, never mind, I just realized top two don't get lynched.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:48 pm This kind of chop is much more information-rich when the top two get chopped.

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:51 pm Hello. Good morning.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:47 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:45 pm spf looks like they only have 1 vote. someone double check for me

@staypositivefriend second vote just in case...

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:52 pm Just a courtesy note to say that I'm shifting my vote to [VOTE: sprityo and nanook] aubergine. Tim has towntelled a bit lately and at any rate I'm convinced it's strictly incorrect to vote outside of Hally's three-person POE today. Arguments have been made for JPIC being town, and the deciding factor was Mac's plan (which I trust since it seems to be backed up by mech information) calling for JPIC to be given one more day to gather information.

Which brings something else to mind. ted, why did you think that Mac had no mech information and was just trying to push his desired reads? I read Mac's posts as being backed by mech information from his role, and so did almost everyone else.

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:52 pm Is sprityo outed scum?

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:56 pm Can I get a little summary?

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:57 pm

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:52 pm Is sprityo outed scum?

Not exactly, but he seems the most likely in a small pool.

He also seems to have opted for the "stay silent, avoid spew" plan.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:51 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:48 pm This kind of chop is much more information-rich when the top two get chopped.

yeah, I may be dumb but I just don't get why have two votes with only one yeet? If this is someone's ability what is the benefit?

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:58 pm

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:56 pm Can I get a little summary?

Poison Chan, I would highly recommend going and reading Mac's last post. It pretty much lays out what we're doing.

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:58 pm im kinda weird out by how inactive tony is but mac says colin was spewed off nut

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:56 pm Can I get a little summary?

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:57 pm

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:52 pm Is sprityo outed scum?

Not exactly, but he seems the most likely in a small pool.

He also seems to have opted for the "stay silent, avoid spew" plan.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:59 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:51 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:48 pm This kind of chop is much more information-rich when the top two get chopped.

yeah, I may be dumb but I just don't get why have two votes with only one yeet? If this is someone's ability what is the benefit?

Let's say we have 10 players. 6 of them strongly believe X is scum, and 4 of them strongly believe X is town including X themselves. X, here, could be a player like JPIC or Herm that draws polarizing reads. Everyone except Y, except Y themselves, believes that Y is probably scum, but less so than X (for the people who believe in X being scum). Y here would equate to a player like sprityo. In a normal vote organization, X would be exed, but in this vote organization, Y could be exed.

Why would a player use this ability today?

Maybe they felt that we should gun down our consensus POE and wanted to nip runaway tinfoil trains in the bud (since, as I have shown, this voting system protects players who have heavily polarized reads on them). That could come from either town who wants to keep voting cohesion or scum who wants to railroad townies into making the obvious exe.

A more likely theory is that it is a side-effect of some other ability, or something that was put in for flavor reasons. You're right that the ability is underwhelming to useless, so the reason it would be included in the game would be for flavor reasons, as some weakened version of a better ability (a la Tim and his claimed scaling power), or as a prelude to a stronger effect (like a cycle of abilities, or a telegraphed effect that can only be used the day after voting is switched). Another reason it could be included in the game is to signal the presence of abilities that could affect voting - in which case we should probably distrust ties, for instance.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:00 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:58 pm im kinda weird out by how inactive tony is but mac says colin was spewed off nut

I read the argument and I think it was solid spew as well. And I thought Colin was one of the more suspicious people D1, so I'm not biased.

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:03 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:00 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:58 pm im kinda weird out by how inactive tony is but mac says colin was spewed off nut

I read the argument and I think it was solid spew as well. And I thought Colin was one of the more suspicious people D1, so I'm not biased.

yea i remember liking it too. just wish tony would give us a bit more but maybe he’s busy

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:59 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:51 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:48 pm This kind of chop is much more information-rich when the top two get chopped.

yeah, I may be dumb but I just don't get why have two votes with only one yeet? If this is someone's ability what is the benefit?

Let's say we have 10 players. 6 of them strongly believe X is scum, and 4 of them strongly believe X is town including X themselves. X, here, could be a player like JPIC or Herm that draws polarizing reads. Everyone except Y, except Y themselves, believes that Y is probably scum, but less so than X (for the people who believe in X being scum). Y here would equate to a player like sprityo. In a normal vote organization, X would be exed, but in this vote organization, Y could be exed.

Why would a player use this ability today?

Maybe they felt that we should gun down our consensus POE and wanted to nip runaway tinfoil trains in the bud (since, as I have shown, this voting system protects players who have heavily polarized reads on them). That could come from either town who wants to keep voting cohesion or scum who wants to railroad townies into making the obvious exe.

A more likely theory is that it is a side-effect of some other ability, or something that was put in for flavor reasons. You're right that the ability is underwhelming to useless, so the reason it would be included in the game would be for flavor reasons, as some weakened version of a better ability (a la Tim and his claimed scaling power), or as a prelude to a stronger effect (like a cycle of abilities, or a telegraphed effect that can only be used the day after voting is switched). Another reason it could be included in the game is to signal the presence of abilities that could affect voting - in which case we should probably distrust ties, for instance.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:04 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:03 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:00 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:58 pm im kinda weird out by how inactive tony is but mac says colin was spewed off nut

I read the argument and I think it was solid spew as well. And I thought Colin was one of the more suspicious people D1, so I'm not biased.

yea i remember liking it too. just wish tony would give us a bit more but maybe he’s busy

I agree and why is he voting for dya??

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:04 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:59 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:51 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:48 pm This kind of chop is much more information-rich when the top two get chopped.

yeah, I may be dumb but I just don't get why have two votes with only one yeet? If this is someone's ability what is the benefit?

Let's say we have 10 players. 6 of them strongly believe X is scum, and 4 of them strongly believe X is town including X themselves. X, here, could be a player like JPIC or Herm that draws polarizing reads. Everyone except Y, except Y themselves, believes that Y is probably scum, but less so than X (for the people who believe in X being scum). Y here would equate to a player like sprityo. In a normal vote organization, X would be exed, but in this vote organization, Y could be exed.

Why would a player use this ability today?

Maybe they felt that we should gun down our consensus POE and wanted to nip runaway tinfoil trains in the bud (since, as I have shown, this voting system protects players who have heavily polarized reads on them). That could come from either town who wants to keep voting cohesion or scum who wants to railroad townies into making the obvious exe.

A more likely theory is that it is a side-effect of some other ability, or something that was put in for flavor reasons. You're right that the ability is underwhelming to useless, so the reason it would be included in the game would be for flavor reasons, as some weakened version of a better ability (a la Tim and his claimed scaling power), or as a prelude to a stronger effect (like a cycle of abilities, or a telegraphed effect that can only be used the day after voting is switched). Another reason it could be included in the game is to signal the presence of abilities that could affect voting - in which case we should probably distrust ties, for instance.

Into the sea of speculation...whoever comes in second may be opened to some sort of penalty or reward from the person calling for the two vote option.

Yet another reason I don't feel really optimistic about my survival.

dyachei wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:07 pm maybe it's holdover from sf1

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:03 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:00 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:58 pm im kinda weird out by how inactive tony is but mac says colin was spewed off nut

I read the argument and I think it was solid spew as well. And I thought Colin was one of the more suspicious people D1, so I'm not biased.

yea i remember liking it too. just wish tony would give us a bit more but maybe he’s busy

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:10 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:03 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:00 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:58 pm im kinda weird out by how inactive tony is but mac says colin was spewed off nut

I read the argument and I think it was solid spew as well. And I thought Colin was one of the more suspicious people D1, so I'm not biased.

yea i remember liking it too. just wish tony would give us a bit more but maybe he’s busy

tbf, does wolf tony walk into this gamestate and go "yes, I will slank, that will surely win the game for us"?

dyachei wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:10 pm @Poison Chan do you have 2 votes?

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:12 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:10 pm @Poison Chan do you have 2 votes?

She did, but yeah that's what's missing. She's here so I'm sure she'll sort it out.

dyachei wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:12 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:12 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:10 pm @Poison Chan do you have 2 votes?

She did, but yeah that's what's missing. She's here so I'm sure she'll sort it out.

yeah i skimmed the votes quickly. i think when she revoted she only voted one?

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:21 pm sprit will cc jpic’s claim and say he peeked mac red

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:05 pm i also don’t remember, why is lc not in the poe again?

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:28 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:05 pm i also don’t remember, why is lc not in the poe again?

does anyone know

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:28 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:05 pm i also don’t remember, why is lc not in the poe again?

does anyone know

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:05 pm i also don’t remember, why is lc not in the poe again?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 6:25 pm This is my last post. I might see day 3 because I might attract protection or whatever but if I don't here's my legacy.

In regards to Tim, catching up I saw him post his interaction with Nutella. He is right in that interaction doesn't look teammate indicative, and he also is unlikely to be teammates with any of the three that visited me either, especially Sprityo. If JPIC is real, Tim has been a major proponent of keeping him alive, which, again makes him unlikely to be mafia. I think Tim has a lot going for himself in the sense of he is probably not mafia. If he is not mafia he is the absolute favourite to be the rogue. His role even the way he's explained it sounds rogueish.

It is true for a swathe of reasons that JPIC's action was bizarre, and he also was in my POE before this. I still can't shake the notion that he's real, and if he is IS real keeping him alive one more day is going to be so fucking annoying for the mafia. If he is real, they are literally going to have to shoot into a pool of SPF, Tutuu, Radishes, JPIC. Which keeps the main towncore alive. If he isn't real, he's getting turbo yeeted tomorrow anyway so who cares? Well...

Oddmerta cares, and I don't like how much he cares. I also don't like how he's dealt with Tim today. He hasn't done shit all except for joust with Tim, meanwhile Tim has engaged with everyone on a range of subjects. Honestly Oddmerta looks near outed to me because of how he's acted today. Especially if Sprityo flips mafia.

In claim situations I have a policy to always yeet the person who claims last. Well Sprityo is that person. And yes he did say he was refusing to claim, not that he can't claim. Make no mistake that I am also reading Sprityo mafia ANYWAY. He was in my bottom 3 in bold red before Hally outed that he visited me. I read him scum from day 1 and his interactions with Nutella are alignment indicative. He was already very likely mafia even before this. JPIC is scummy and his claim is whack but Sprityo is also scummy and won't even claim at all. So anyone up in arms about who we're choosing should really reconcile what problem they have with yeeting Sprityo first. Especially Oddmerta. What was the "I think you're making a terrible mistake not yeeting JPIC" post about. Do you think Sprityo is town or something? What issue do you have with yeeting Sprityo first @Oddmerta? What is your top lock read coming out of n1 Oddmerta? Can I be wrong about Sprit? Sure I can be wrong. But don't get dissuaded from the POE stomp if I am because it just pulls the noose tighter around the neck of JPIC/Nook.

Speaking of Nook his claimed role is meh. If we believe his claim it means we have to just deal with the fact that he can be seen at the scene of night kills, seen targeting night kills and we just have to be like "oh yeah silly Nook getting his extra vote". His role might be real but it's irritating, he's in the POE anyway through Nutella interactions and shielding Nut and so he has to die regardless. Seriously if you want some homework read HIS EOD. All this talk about me and Tim shielding Nutella, look at how he did it, way worse... also he suspected her in the early game and voted her for liking french onion soup, then held that vote for ages off a joke, then didn't go back to her in the end it's meh meh meh.

As for the three names I've given JPIC, the strategy is that I didn't want to give JPIC the option to just fake obvious checks for cred. Like if we're going to just yeet between him and Nook tomorrow for instance and he outs Nook as mafia even though he's a teammate he can and almost always would ride that cred to endgame even though he's been scummy as shit (see me outing Wilgy in Pyre for example). Similarly I don't want to let him shoot at Alison or Hally. SPF is lock town to me but others are suspect on her and I am not gonna last too long in this game probably so checking her (or baiting the mafia into shooting her) is good. Same applies to the other two though I have a little more reservation on Tutuu and Radishes. Though Tutuu is probably town that just tilts me sometimes, she is a "yeet at exlo" slot.

As for others - I think Radishes claim has holes but I think he's probably town anyway. I understand the way Nut's role to work would mean that if he took it he'd have "no names on his list" ergo could fire off a save. It's the only claimed save in the game so we probably need to assume that Alison was the shot. Stuck in a lift is clearly nothing to do with Nutella's role so that's something else entirely. It's not a mafia roleblock because she caught the kill. So perhaps she was also town jailkept on top of being doctored by Radishes? Or perhaps that is something to do with the rogue role? Who knows really.

I still think Herm has major mafia equity. LC/Dizzy feel like disconnected town. They both have really positive energy and are enjoying the game albeit not super involved in it, which is fine. DrWilgy is probably town too because mafia wouldn't even bother exposing themselves by pushing onto me. Tedxtr's vibe on day 2 has been really negative, which means he should be scrutinised heavily in coming days but there are bigger fish to fry for now. Poison Chan and Dyachei are not aiming to control the thread in the way that both are absolutely capable of doing and the mafia NEED here, so they're probably town. I don't know what to make of Samusamu, use PR to solve him if you can. Juliets is town in a "yeet at exlo" kinda way. Find a way to get TSP involved in the game or just dedicate a day to getting him out in the mid game. Don't let him slank.

Alison & Hally
staypositivefriend
juliets
Long Con
Master Radishes
Dyslexicon
DrWilgy
tutuu
TonyStarkPrime
dyachei
Poison Chan
tedxtr
Samusamu
Oddmerta
Herm
Justplayingitcool
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
sprityo

Possible rogue - Timsup2nothin... we can make him a nice purple colour

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:31 pm sprit going AWOL from the thread prolly just solidifies him as scum

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:29 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:28 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:05 pm i also don’t remember, why is lc not in the poe again?

does anyone know

I actually don't. That's why I didn't answer. I would guess he is in Mac's big batch of Nutella spew clears maybe.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:54 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:52 pm Just a courtesy note to say that I'm shifting my vote to [VOTE: sprityo and nanook] aubergine. Tim has towntelled a bit lately and at any rate I'm convinced it's strictly incorrect to vote outside of Hally's three-person POE today. Arguments have been made for JPIC being town, and the deciding factor was Mac's plan (which I trust since it seems to be backed up by mech information) calling for JPIC to be given one more day to gather information.

Which brings something else to mind. ted, why did you think that Mac had no mech information and was just trying to push his desired reads? I read Mac's posts as being backed by mech information from his role, and so did almost everyone else.

If I have a different answer I'mma answer this too after Ted does.