Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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hmouted wolf wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:12 pmi skimmed them. in one he posts 5.6k wall as a wolf as to why they should kill this other guy but kill him first. it seemed like some kind of hail mary
he certainly seems capable of pushing/voting his bros from what i can tell (that was the main thing i wanted to see)
ye kinda where i'm atouted wolf wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:11 pm i mean syn has been pushing me for two days and i still cant even tell you the slightest reason why he thinks im a wolf
he just went off and voted me
i mean:
i dont think nutella is a wolf at all
i dont really think youre a wolf even though i should omgus to tilt you :P
i guess i dont think the marl/vulgard stuff is a gambit
i guess i dont think c4 treats dya the way he did as a wolf
i liked spf at the start of the game?
i am perhaps giving too much credit to dizzys vulgard post/crankiness
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syn has done basically zero solving?
arete has stopped solving now vulgard is dead?
you don't have to apologize
shrug, i'm sure it's reasonable fypov as a villastaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:36 pm i mean, i don't disagree that i've been "low impact" - i have a lot going on IRL. but i've contributed what i can in the limited time that i have to really put my head into a mafia game, and i've pushed on a wolf for two-three days straight, so shrug
i am confused, you list spf in your immediate POE but you don't talk about it at all in your iso afaict. that's a pretty spicy read so ? where's your head atArete wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:23 amyes I think Syn's the wolfouted wolf wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:19 am so what do you think arete?
do you think syn is the wolf? if not syn where next?
I feel like I've been pretty clear on that point??
I'm in the process of writing up a longer point explaining my locks + PoE, right now I have Marl/Dizzy/c4/Nut as locks and SPF/Syn as PoE, I'm trying to figure out which of you and Bronana I should stake the game on being town (I think you're both villagers but I have room in my PoE for one more person, so)
ftr, you can be assured that my lack of activity is completely, 100% non-alignment indicative. i don't struggle to fake content as a wolfbronana wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:41 pmshrug, i'm sure it's reasonable fypov as a villastaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:36 pm i mean, i don't disagree that i've been "low impact" - i have a lot going on IRL. but i've contributed what i can in the limited time that i have to really put my head into a mafia game, and i've pushed on a wolf for two-three days straight, so shrug
i'm just a bit paranoid of the possibility of the bussing wolf who then doesnt know what to post after their teammates are dead
this is the part of the game where i can flap my gums endlessly with all kinds of exploring edge cases and possiblities etc as a villager, and as a wolf where my reads stagnate and i'm more like can you clowns hurry up and mislunch already
I don't scumread SPF I just don't have strong reasons to townread them, which is what a PoE ... isbronana wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:47 pmi am confused, you list spf in your immediate POE but you don't talk about it at all in your iso afaict. that's a pretty spicy read so ? where's your head atArete wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:23 amyes I think Syn's the wolfouted wolf wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:19 am so what do you think arete?
do you think syn is the wolf? if not syn where next?
I feel like I've been pretty clear on that point??
I'm in the process of writing up a longer point explaining my locks + PoE, right now I have Marl/Dizzy/c4/Nut as locks and SPF/Syn as PoE, I'm trying to figure out which of you and Bronana I should stake the game on being town (I think you're both villagers but I have room in my PoE for one more person, so)
someone in champs spec chat mentioned like a month ago that you really like bussingstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:57 pm i dont get how you think my push on dyachei could ever be a bus, in general
the last game i played was mountain climbing mafia, surely that was a wilder bus than any possible bus in this game lol.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:57 pm i dont get how you think my push on dyachei could ever be a bus, in general
by the way you are
oh that's definitely true, i tend to hardbus a lot when i'm a wolf, but it's usually done w/the intent to maximize as much towncred as possible - whereas my push in dyachei this game was more like: "this person is kinda obviously a wolf to me and i'm just going to continue focusing on them until everyone else comes to their senses", there would be more flashiness and struggles to hold back my TMI in a world where i committed to hardbussing dyachei in that wayArete wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:59 pmsomeone in champs spec chat mentioned like a month ago that you really like bussingstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:57 pm i dont get how you think my push on dyachei could ever be a bus, in general
I guess I don't actually know if that's true
yeah i mean, crazy busses happen, but context is important lol, there were probably clues that hinted at schizo/alexa hardbussing each other even if they were very difficult to findbronana wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 8:00 pmthe last game i played was mountain climbing mafia, surely that was a wilder bus than any possible bus in this game lol.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:57 pm i dont get how you think my push on dyachei could ever be a bus, in general
btw, isn't this around the time you said you'd be able to lock in my alignment ... ?
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 8:03 pmyeah i mean, crazy busses happen, but context is important lol, there were probably clues that hinted at schizo/alexa hardbussing each other even if they were very difficult to findbronana wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 8:00 pmthe last game i played was mountain climbing mafia, surely that was a wilder bus than any possible bus in this game lol.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:57 pm i dont get how you think my push on dyachei could ever be a bus, in general
btw, isn't this around the time you said you'd be able to lock in my alignment ... ?
also yeah, i think that youre town
if you want to not be in my PoE your task is not 'be villagery' it's 'be more likely a villager than everyone in my PoE and at least one person not in my PoE'staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 8:01 pmoh that's definitely true, i tend to hardbus a lot when i'm a wolf, but it's usually done w/the intent to maximize as much towncred as possible - whereas my push in dyachei this game was more like: "this person is kinda obviously a wolf to me and i'm just going to continue focusing on them until everyone else comes to their senses", there would be more flashiness and struggles to hold back my TMI in a world where i committed to hardbussing dyachei in that wayArete wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:59 pmsomeone in champs spec chat mentioned like a month ago that you really like bussingstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:57 pm i dont get how you think my push on dyachei could ever be a bus, in general
I guess I don't actually know if that's true
i think it's odd that you presumably have a very obvious reason to townread me (ie: "spf pushed on a wolf across multiple dayphases"), but you're deliberately preventing yourself from townreading me for that because of meta, instead of evaluating the push individually of your meta on me and determining if you think it's W/W
If this is W/W/W then ... what was Vul even doing.Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:38 am c4, dya and KZA are in the "no impressions made" club and I would like them to play the game. I do not townread c4 for a carefully voiced scumread (?) on SPF. That's in any average wolf's wolfrange and I think SPF is too quick to clear them regardless of alignment.
dya and KZA just haven't talked about the game much yet. Dya got offended based on a single accusation if I read that correctly, and KZA 5-posted and dipped.
right before the Alison flip, when she didn't come back and claim PR
ehhbronana wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 1:57 am seems cromulent
minor quibble that if you check the timing, I think I was the first person to bring up kza in a negative way and the first person to vote him (where I stayed until eod iirc), so I think "it doesn't matter because kza was always going down" is a little uncharitable
spf brought ^this post up sometime d2 and iirc said it was me "being neutral" or whatever which I found odd, I thought it was clear I was shading all three people here.
bronana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:41 pmbronanastaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:34 pm what do your reads generally look like rn, zack?
bronana
prob town, wouldn't touch today
nutella
vulgard
slight town i guess
amy
outed wolf
spf - considered putting you in the tier beneath this one tho
sunbae
i'm not super thrilled with them, but grouping them in the tier below felt intensely wrong
dyslexicon
tangrowth
nullish / meh
alison
c4
hally
marl
nullish / meh with feeling
arete
kza
wolfy
dya
gavial
Vulgard wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:45 pm Reading bronana's ISO.
His early posts look like he's trying to be townread. He's relaxed, charismatic, offers takes that look like he's smiling behind the screen. I can't tell how much he believes in any of them. Timing would indicate "not a lot" (RVS stage) but the fact he's still making them...
I don't know.
This ISO just makes me paranoid. There's nothing outright WRONG or super wolfy I see in it, but Zack gives me the impression of competence. I don't take issue with anything in particular he's said, but I can't bring myself to trust him and call him town. Especially since he shows signs of huge self-awareness.
bronana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:08 pm goofy thought alert
sunbae immediately reading spf's self-meta wall from offsite but not reading tangy's whole reads wall is because sunbae/tangy are wolves and spf is town
this read is stupid and i debated whether or not to post it, then decided i'd go for it on the off chance someone calls me villagy for itThere's not a TON of that but it does give me pause.bronana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:31 pmAmy wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:23 pmi mean yes you're right that the names i listed are underwhelming and the names i didn't list aren't, and that does have shades of "too easy"
but i'd rather start in the easy world and run off on a snipe hunt later than do it the other way around, yknow?
gun to head if i were to pick people outside that pool who i haven't quite done diligence on and thus could be fooling me it's probably like. c4 mp7 you
a fine three names for you to bring up, i am somewhat surprised i've gotten such little heat
Does anyone have a wolfgame of his I could read and verify? I want to figure out if his approach is different or mostly the same.
Vulgard wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:53 pm I'm explaining this really badly.
He just comes across as the type of player who's a very competent wolf. The type of player I never trust even if they do rand V.
The worst thing in his ISO is the early string of posts where he tries hard to build a towncore and put himself in it. I can't multi-quote and ISO at the same time, so I'll just point at it: exactly the first 10 posts. Ending with the vote on nutella. It looks like a wolf gunning for a strong entrance and good thread position. I know "four pillars of the village" is a meme but it matches his proclaimed townreads from RVS/early game. The progression feels a tad mechanical. "Throw out a few townreads and then push people with those townreads, I'm in a good spot, let's get it."
I don't take much issue with his later posts other than being a bit paranoid while reading them. Him sitting back and watching things unfold for the 2nd half of his ISO should be NAI. He does ask a lot more questions at this point but he's already given reads on most players so I don't find that part wolfy.
Vulgard wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:55 pm I'm not planning to touch him today, but he seems like a likely candidate for a deepwolf given his d1 play so far. If we need to search for one later and I'm not alive for it, keep it in mind. His treatment of Gavial is also within the range of a bus, though he's currently vanity voting KZA.
bronana wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 2:27 pmnutella wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 2:22 pmokay I'll drop itbronana wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 2:17 pmI don't know why you're so hung up about this, and I'm still not sure how I feel about dya myself. The perspective in that post is perfectly normal from either alignment.nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 2:15 pmbut the part about their reads on you kinda is
what's your read on dya atm
I'd kill gavial or kza. I acknowledge they are the most low hanging fruits, but I find their contributions extremely lacking regardless and don't feel remotely confident about killing off anyone else.
As far as I can tell, until spf's vote there I was the only person in the game to vote kza (and I stayed there during all these quoted posts). So to say it means nothing because kza was always going to die is pretty unfair. I didn't even include my posts after this doubling down on my kza suspicion when it had become clear he was likely going down - an inevitably that I suppose we're measuring by the strength of a wagon that I literally started way before everyone else?
