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You dont have to confirm or deny this btw . I think its best left open for the wolves imagination hmmyessantygrass wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 8:03 pmBecause I dont think you are w/w with miranda and dont seem to be pocketing them + tinfoil that you have mech reason to be clearing miranda and are not telling
I donut have mechsantygrass wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 8:03 pmBecause I dont think you are w/w with miranda and dont seem to be pocketing them + tinfoil that you have mech reason to be clearing miranda and are not telling
I'd be willing to go heresantygrass wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 8:04 pm What is your read on sloonei Neon?
I still need to read their ISO + the Lawpy push but I'm feeling super lazy
Oopssantygrass wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 8:05 pmYou dont have to confirm or deny this btw . I think its best left open for the wolves imagination hmmyessantygrass wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 8:03 pmBecause I dont think you are w/w with miranda and dont seem to be pocketing them + tinfoil that you have mech reason to be clearing miranda and are not telling
Neon wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 8:23 pmI donut have mechsantygrass wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 8:03 pmBecause I dont think you are w/w with miranda and dont seem to be pocketing them + tinfoil that you have mech reason to be clearing miranda and are not telling
vote is based off things in dya's and genny's iso. Nothing solid, but I thought Miranda looked not bad.
I don't know what to do with these two words.I remember this now. Neon didn't end up providing any super in-depth case against Falcon or anything, but this interjection felt real and would be out of place if they are teammates. Good look for Neon.Neon wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 3:02 pmI actually think falcon is kinda behaving out of characterSloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 1:37 pmNot necessarily. I would lean very slightly towards a town read on him. But, at the very least, he should not be scumread for playing the role of antagonist like this.
You don't know me very well, but I try to be very methodical and comprehensive with my meaningful posts. Getting stuck with 1 sentence thesis statements was torture, since I couldn't actually provide any real content.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 10:17 pmAll creature did was quirk them, right? Gonna say that is not at all convicing.santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 10:15 pmMighty was the target of an Wolf (creature) ability n1, and even then on D2 they spent most of the time with their vote on another wolf (Falcon).
I think is unlikely (no impossible tho) for mighty to be aligned with Werecreatures
Falcon would be telling people that busing/pushing him is fine in wolf chat. I'll give them a point for this, but that's about it.
They played around the Genny wagon like someone who wanted to look like weren't teamed with Genny but that didn't want Genny to flip.
So SAR is POE. What's your take on miranda?mightyrunner7 wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 10:05 pm I just read through SAR's ISO and putting a vote there is understandable
Town points - early vote for falcon, vote for Lawpy, general casual tone (feels odd for a wolf who has been rapidly losing packmates)
Scum points - defense of genny, lack of overall solving attempts, introduced the 3rd faction theory (which seems less and less likely as we uncover more werecreatures)
I'm not going to rule her out, but I want to investigate more optipns before going there
Sorry, but if you don't vote someone when push comes to shove, it doesn't mean as much. You can't really call it "bussing" when they don't go over. Also I was pretty much out of it for D2-D3.5.mightyrunner7 wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 9:39 pmYou don't know me very well, but I try to be very methodical and comprehensive with my meaningful posts. Getting stuck with 1 sentence thesis statements was torture, since I couldn't actually provide any real content.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 10:17 pmAll creature did was quirk them, right? Gonna say that is not at all convicing.santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 10:15 pmMighty was the target of an Wolf (creature) ability n1, and even then on D2 they spent most of the time with their vote on another wolf (Falcon).
I think is unlikely (no impossible tho) for mighty to be aligned with Werecreatures
Falcon would be telling people that busing/pushing him is fine in wolf chat. I'll give them a point for this, but that's about it.
They played around the Genny wagon like someone who wanted to look like weren't teamed with Genny but that didn't want Genny to flip.
I voted for both falcon and genny at various points. It's obviously possible for a wolf to buss a packmate, but bussing multiple packmates just seems like bad strategy.
The bolded part is really the only argument to vote me that I've seen so far today. It's 100% wrong, but I certainly see the perspective. The problem is it really only takes into account the last 1 hour of yesterday and ignores the previous days I spent with genny in my POE.
The main reason I didn't initially vote for genny (despite her being in the bottom of my POE for days ) was she started actually engaging and provided a role reveal. I also was 100% sheeping Mac (since he was one of my strongest village reads) . I don't know why he setup that elaborate counter wagon trap (and sadly won't ever know), but his conclusion was wrong. Frankly, we have a few people with a ton of Village cred (mayo, Nate, and now Santy), so I think the main reason the wolves silenced Mac with his final words being "Yeet MR7" was to drive a misyeet of myself
Who DID say Falcon looks normal though? I feel like I should figure that out.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 10:27 pm Falcon. Falcon, falcon falcon falcon.
The first target of Falcon's spastic accusation phase is Dennis. This is in direct contrast to the previous ISOs, where no one was willing to talk about Dennis at all. Thanks, Falcon. This unprovoked and excessive challenge is a good look for Dennis.Spoiler: show
Lost in all the Zenge commotion is a soft, implicit defense of Miranda. I barely care about this point, though.Spoiler: show
More wild shade, this time thrown at Santy. Some of this is just a product of how Falcon approaches the game, so it's not impossible that he'd direct some of this activity at a teammate eventually. I have no reason to believe that's the case here. But it should be noted.Spoiler: show
This is a more calm and normal question for Santy RE: Neon. Hooray. I have no read on it, but it exists.Spoiler: show
This feels like real confusion and a touch of embarrassment from Falcon, which would be a good look for Santy. Hooray.Spoiler: show
Alright this is an even better look for Santy. SVS articulates what Falcon had been unable to earlier RE: Santy, and Falcon Falcon seizes on this to re-establish his stance on Santy. If they are teammates, Falcon is taking the distancing approach a step further than he needs to.Spoiler: show
SVS is also involved here. But I could go either way on her here. Falcon can easily seize on his own teammate's argument to justify his own. Or it could be a convenient argument articulated by a townie that mirrors the one he was trying to make. Gun to my head, I'd say the latter is more likely, which would be a good look for SVS.
This post exists. I'm not sure if it tells me anything about Seanzie. It is barely on-topic.Spoiler: show
Here's a second instance of Falcon responding to something SVS said about another player. Noted.Spoiler: show
Hey look, miranda exists.Spoiler: show
Falcon is at least assuaging my concerns about the entire werecreature team was not talking about Dennis.Spoiler: show
Agreed. I don't think a mafia Falcon declares a town read on mafia Seanzie like this at this point in the game. Feels more like an attempt to look authentic by giving a real town read on a real player.Spoiler: show
This exchange with Miranda tells me absolutely nothing.Spoiler: show
This exchange might prove to be more fruitful if it continues. Falcon is pressing Miranda for reads, but not in his usual manner. That could just be a product of how he perceives Miranda. It had been established by this point that she's a relatively new player. Falcon might just be hesitant to treat her the same way he treated Zenge. But then again, he also prodded Dennis with similar nonsense, and Dennis isn't an extremely seasoned player himself. But Falcon knows Dennis a bit better.Spoiler: show
I feel good about Neon here for the same reasons outlined for Seanzie above.Spoiler: show
This also does not feel like a teammate interaction. Seanzie's interjection directly contrasts with what Falcon is trying to do. I don't think teammates run interference on each other's arguments with other players on Day 1 like this. Falcon's response also looks too testy to be partnered. This exchange continues in a similar manner for a few posts. I'm finally feeling alright about Seanzie.Spoiler: show
I remember disliking this post at the time. I asked Falcon if he had any topics he felt we should be discussing more and he just kinda lazily threw two names out there without anything attached. One of them (santy) is still here. The other was town. Could it be the case that Falcon listed one partner and one town here? Sure. Does that need to be the case? No.Spoiler: show
Oh hey, look at that. Falcon is interacting with Genny. It is a plain nothingburger of an interaction. Neat. I am reminded of his exchange with Miranda earlier.Spoiler: show
I'd just like to state for the record that "wherefore" means "why". Juliet was asking Romeo why he has to be who he is, not where he was located.Spoiler: show
This technically involves Dennis. But barely.Spoiler: show
This reads more like lighthearted banter than actual grilling between Falcon and Dennis. Not the most encouraging sign, but I barely care about it.Spoiler: show
After yelling at Dennis to post more, Falcon responds by... politely answering one of Dennis' questions for another person. Okay. I expected more spice.Spoiler: show
This post reads more like a genuine conversation, which would be a good look for Dennis. I say that because it doesn't feel like there is anything staged or calculated going on here. Dennis is responding authentically to what Falcon is saying, and Falcon is giving the appearance of a sincere followup. They're discussing Mightyrunner, which is a name I hadn't seen in this ISO yet.Spoiler: show
Falcon indicates that he should be willing to bus Creature on Day 1. But then...Spoiler: show
But then he implicitly walks that back by saying he would prefer not to vote for a player who fits Creature's profile, shifting the subject onto Scotty. Also a slightly good look for Dennis here, in that Falcon seems to be deliberately trying to steer him onto Town Scotty.Spoiler: show
... but then he votes for Creature.Spoiler: show
... and then tries to talk me out of backing away from my Scotty suspicion.Spoiler: show
Weird little Dennis namedrop here. On the surface, I don't know what to do with it. But I have another theory that's just bubbled up to the surface here. Prior to pretending to get on board the Creature bandwagon, Falcon had had virtually nothing to say about or to any of his flipped teammates. There was a brief interaction with Genny which amounted to nothing, and that is it. By contrast, he has talked to or about Dennis more than anyone in the game except for maybe Zenge. If Dennis is a werecreature, Falcon is giving him an inordinately high amount of attention relative to the rest of their team. Some of that could just be attributed to volume. Dennis had a lot more to say on Day 1 (and beyond) than Genny. But Dya was not totally inactive on Day 1, and Falcon has hardly acknowledged them at all.Spoiler: show
Speak of the Dya! Here's a post. But Dya was the one to initiate this exchange. Also this is on Day 2. And absolutely nothing came of it. To be fair, I believe dya subbed out soon after. But it just furthers my point that Falcon had minimal interactions with his flipped partners during this game.Spoiler: show
Falcon places a Day 2 Creature vote on the back of some Santy wagonomics. Noted. Potentially a good look for Santy, but not overwhelmingly so.Spoiler: show
Falcon responds to a post by SVS to throw out the combo of Marmot and Creature as partners. This, again, does not tell me a whole lot about SVS. They have had very few meaningful interactions this game. Which is not my favorite thing.Spoiler: show
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Big takeaway here is that Seanzie looks pretty good. Dennis might also look good simply due to being heavily featured, whereas Falcon mostly ignored his flipped partners for most of the game. Santy as well to a lesser degree, although their interactions were less feisty.
I would not say that anyone looks explicitly bad. But names like Miranda, mightyrunner, and SVS stand out for their relative absence.
Good question. I'm trying to recreate vote timing, since the way this server handles it is a bit painful, but I'm finding her only vote on a wolf was on Lawpy when he was already doomed (she was the 8th vote) and she was the first to jump off genny onto a Santy counter wagon.NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 10:22 pmSo SAR is POE. What's your take on miranda?mightyrunner7 wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 10:05 pm I just read through SAR's ISO and putting a vote there is understandable
Town points - early vote for falcon, vote for Lawpy, general casual tone (feels odd for a wolf who has been rapidly losing packmates)
Scum points - defense of genny, lack of overall solving attempts, introduced the 3rd faction theory (which seems less and less likely as we uncover more werecreatures)
I'm not going to rule her out, but I want to investigate more optipns before going there
Fair, "bussing" was too strong of a word. My fundamental point remains the same - I don't have a perfect village record, but I have more village points than others, and I feel the wolves were trying to setup a misyeet.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 10:28 pmSorry, but if you don't vote someone when push comes to shove, it doesn't mean as much. You can't really call it "bussing" when they don't go over. Also I was pretty much out of it for D2-D3.5.fmightyrunner7 wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 9:39 pmYou don't know me very well, but I try to be very methodical and comprehensive with my meaningful posts. Getting stuck with 1 sentence thesis statements was torture, since I couldn't actually provide any real content.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 10:17 pmAll creature did was quirk them, right? Gonna say that is not at all convicing.santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 10:15 pmMighty was the target of an Wolf (creature) ability n1, and even then on D2 they spent most of the time with their vote on another wolf (Falcon).
I think is unlikely (no impossible tho) for mighty to be aligned with Werecreatures
Falcon would be telling people that busing/pushing him is fine in wolf chat. I'll give them a point for this, but that's about it.
They played around the Genny wagon like someone who wanted to look like weren't teamed with Genny but that didn't want Genny to flip.
I voted for both falcon and genny at various points. It's obviously possible for a wolf to buss a packmate, but bussing multiple packmates just seems like bad strategy.
The bolded part is really the only argument to vote me that I've seen so far today. It's 100% wrong, but I certainly see the perspective. The problem is it really only takes into account the last 1 hour of yesterday and ignores the previous days I spent with genny in my POE.
The main reason I didn't initially vote for genny (despite her being in the bottom of my POE for days ) was she started actually engaging and provided a role reveal. I also was 100% sheeping Mac (since he was one of my strongest village reads) . I don't know why he setup that elaborate counter wagon trap (and sadly won't ever know), but his conclusion was wrong. Frankly, we have a few people with a ton of Village cred (mayo, Nate, and now Santy), so I think the main reason the wolves silenced Mac with his final words being "Yeet MR7" was to drive a misyeet of myself
Meh. I'll say more later.
This post is the main reason I took Seanzie out of my POE. I feel like wolf Seanzie would have tried to play out a misyeet attempt against myself, but now he has moved on to other (rather silly) areas. I don't see someone with 4 dead packmates do that
I also have been spewed town situationally like 4 times, but okay. If you want to ignore that?mightyrunner7 wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 11:07 pmThis post is the main reason I took Seanzie out of my POE. I feel like wolf Seanzie would have tried to play out a misyeet attempt against myself, but now he has moved on to other (rather silly) areas. I don't see someone with 4 dead packmates do that
I'm not ignoring anything, I'm just not spending much more time analyzing you when there are more attractive alternatives at the momentSeanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 11:08 pmI also have been spewed town situationally like 4 times, but okay. If you want to ignore that?mightyrunner7 wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 11:07 pmThis post is the main reason I took Seanzie out of my POE. I feel like wolf Seanzie would have tried to play out a misyeet attempt against myself, but now he has moved on to other (rather silly) areas. I don't see someone with 4 dead packmates do that
Maybe mighty just did not see these alleged incidents.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 11:08 pmI also have been spewed town situationally like 4 times, but okay. If you want to ignore that?mightyrunner7 wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 11:07 pmThis post is the main reason I took Seanzie out of my POE. I feel like wolf Seanzie would have tried to play out a misyeet attempt against myself, but now he has moved on to other (rather silly) areas. I don't see someone with 4 dead packmates do that
Tell me about Nate and SVSsantygrass wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 12:00 am Santy
Mayo
Neon
SVS
Nate
Dennis
Seanzie
Sloonei
Mighty
SAR
Miranda
I also think Falcon's super limp reactions to my prods on Day 1 should be taken as even more evidence that I am never partnered with him. for the record.santygrass wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 11:56 pm [VOTE: SARdoghandler] aubergine
Im fine with Sloonei. Pocketed by their ISOs (and mostly them quoting for me Lawpy sussing them)
I think Mighty is also back to being fine, but maybe not as fine as sloonei
Alright, yeah, I think I'm settling on being okay with this. Miranda seems more enamored with Scotty's effort and energy than with his content. And that is fine and fair.miranda920 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 2:45 pm I’m town reading because despite the reads being on NAI posts it felt like a genuine effort!
" is as nonchalant a response as one can give in this situation. This is handy, thanks Santy. I've left this one unspoilered and added colors to make it easier to analyze Miranda's reads list. Colors reflect flipped player's true alignments, underlined reads are ones that Miranda got right (I included myself for my own sake. I'm tempted to also treat Nate and Mayo as lock town, but I won't.) The only flip Miranda didn't get right here is Genny, who she had as "neutral". Granted, tutuu and mac were super easy. I think Lawpy was also fairly obvious at this point in the game as well. So it is difficult to give Miranda too much credit for that.miranda920 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 2:50 pmsantygrass wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 7:30 am @miranda920 can you tell me about your current view? Like, who are your confident reads / try to sort people into town/scum ?
Dont think you trying to shiel/explain yourself on why you did for being pressed on time or whatever will make me feel better about you, so I think taking a different stance and try to solve/put your thought on the game will help me more
Lawpy - lean wolf
Genny - neutral, Genny is always a challenging read for me
Mayo - neutral, leaning more town
MR7 - town
Nate - neutral, unsure there are some iffy things
Santy - surprisingly you seem town to me, but you could easily good me
SAR - leans town
Dennis - neutral
Tutuu - seems townie
Mac - also seems town
Neon - feels town
SVS - neutral (also I promised I will get you those quotes when I have access to my laptop)
Seanzie - unsure, nothing has stood out to me about them
Sloonei - I’ve generally felt fine about them
You openly admit to sheeping Mac but think it's a bad look for someone else to do it?mightyrunner7 wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 11:21 pm [VOTE: Miranda] aubergine
I keep struggling "Noob vs Wolf", but in comparing SAR to Miranda, I gotta say Miranda looks worse.
The fact that she was the first to follow Mac on the Santy counter wagon is concerning. Other both Miranda and SAR made attempts to save genny, I find Miranda's to be more egregious.
I'll keep mulling on this, but I want to lock something in before bed
either way, it’s not that deep
