Demoralized after the lynch is more like it. I don't think you are bad, but I'm not going to defend you anymore.speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:49 pmOr you're scum. But I don't think you'd say this as scum. Also you're a town read.
If he didnt post, there would be no useful discussion coming from it, and you would have gotten yourself an easy vote. That is the issue.MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:29 pmNT is just as likely to be town or scum as anyone else. How is this useless? I'm generating discussion. Someone has to help get him involved in the game somehow; I know him IRL and thought I was suited to do so.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 12:39 pmAt this point of the day, this is as useless a vote as someone could possibly make. No one will lynch NT and the probability of him showing up in this short timeframe is nearly zero so if youre bad you have gotted rid of your responsibility to vote in an easy way.MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:33 pm Alright, switching my vote to @NewTraditionalist because the fact that this guy hasn't come to play with us yet is perhaps most disconcerting of all!
Seriously man, what do you think of all this stuff that's been said? I know it's probably tough to acquaint yourself with a bunch of content in your first online game ever, but I know you have it in you to bring some serious insight. What you got?
That is a good point actually. It could be interpreted that Sloonei was testing my wagon, and when I showed up and started defending myself and arguing with people, it became a harder lynch so he moved to the next one.MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:31 pmWhat constitutes a "good amount" of thoughts, and why specifically would such a quantity of posts mean DDL is an undesirable lynch?
Im pointing out at what I see as possible meaningful evidece so it doesnt go unexamined. If the dochotomy is wrong I can only shrug.MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:36 pmI don't like this post; you're setting up a false dichotomy where one of me and Daisy is likely bad based on little reason: my vote of her was a pressure vote and hers was a reaction.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 2:28 pmNot more than what I already gave. Also at the risk of parroting them, seeing MP and Daisy poke each other makes me feel sus, because couples tend to be really good at reading each other from what Ive seen. My money is on one of them being bad.Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 1:07 pmTell me about MP. I was just going to say that I want him and Epi to be discussed most of all right now. Epi for the reasons I highlighteated earlier, and MP because his reads seemed almost labored, if that's fair to say. He mostly seemed to just make passing observations at the level of activity of certain players without much intuitive or dynamic responses to events of the thread. I find the brief flare up between MP & Daisy to be particularly intriguing, though I'm not sure what to read into it yet. But any time two players who know each as closely as those two know each other are involved in something like that, it's worth taking note of.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 12:53 pm About Epi: I cant read him to save myself. The way he is playing (tunneling on people for arbitrary reasons) is his MO regardlessly of alignment.
Im also skimming most of his argument with LC tbh.
He goes straight to my big neutral pile.
I wanna vote for one of MP, Nutella or LC.
It seems to me like Daisy took offense in MP's vote or saw something she did not like. It would he good to hear her follow-up thoughts on that whole episode. @Spacedaisy
What do you intend to accomplish with this criticism? Lowering our morale?nutella wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:23 pm sorry I didn't know about the phase shortening but it was very short notice and I wasn't able to catch up and see it in time due to forces that were out of my control. and I agree with Epi that phases should not be shortened like this, especially with such little warning. I could have had a chance at preventing the lynch of a powerful civ role but nope. Not that I entirely blame this circumstance for that -- definitely annoyed at the people who switched to LC last minute. Speedchuck was a way better candidate but yall blew it.
And maybe you're testing the bandwagon against me right now.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:04 amThat is a good point actually. It could be interpreted that Sloonei was testing my wagon, and when I showed up and started defending myself and arguing with people, it became a harder lynch so he moved to the next one.MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:31 pmWhat constitutes a "good amount" of thoughts, and why specifically would such a quantity of posts mean DDL is an undesirable lynch?
Why the change in attitude all of a sudden? It feels like you're just giving up.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 09, 2017 7:59 pm I'm not bad. But if you all feel like lynching me tomorrow I'm not fighting it. I've got a lot on my plate. But if you're civ, it will only be a loss to you. If you're bad, well it gets you a step closer to a win, but I'm totally vanilla so it won't accomplish much as far as getting rid of any other power roles. Whatever man.
While that could certainly be a good thing to look at, to play Devil's Advocate, couldn't this be viewed as you trying to move attention away from yourself? It's not like you weren't put under the microscope to a certain degree on D1.
What is your impression of MP?birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:46 am RIP Wilgy, you wild and crazy SOB you.
I'm kind of lost in terms of who to look at right now. And I won't be super active this phase due to my work schedule, but I will do what I can.
I had him as a town read earlier. But he has fallen off the grid a bit, probably due to PhD stuff. So it's a bit murkier right now until he comes back and catches up on more recent events. So my read on him has dropped to somewhere in the slight town to null read.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:47 amWhat is your impression of MP?birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:46 am RIP Wilgy, you wild and crazy SOB you.
I'm kind of lost in terms of who to look at right now. And I won't be super active this phase due to my work schedule, but I will do what I can.
What are your initial ungrounded thoughts on this?birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:59 am I think what is throwing me off is Wilgy swtiching the lynch at the last second to LC, and then both LC and Wilgy being revealed to be civ. As well as confirming how many times I associate Wilgy as a mafia player who plays fast and loose. So I'm hoping I can get my grounding here again soon.
I am always baffled when people say, "You're just trying to move attention away from yourself."birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:47 amWhile that could certainly be a good thing to look at, to play Devil's Advocate, couldn't this be viewed as you trying to move attention away from yourself? It's not like you weren't put under the microscope to a certain degree on D1.
I'd say it's more than a little jab as I've been naming DDL as a top suspect for quite a while now. Granted, my inclination to look his way initially stemmed from you throwing a vote at him, but I feel that I've independently developed my own read of him. If I've otherwise been "coasting" or going with the flow of the thread, well, that's kinda just how I do.
Just busy is all. I don't particularly want to be lynched, but various people have expressed the suspicion of me so I'm just kind of whatever.birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:43 amWhy the change in attitude all of a sudden? It feels like you're just giving up.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 09, 2017 7:59 pm I'm not bad. But if you all feel like lynching me tomorrow I'm not fighting it. I've got a lot on my plate. But if you're civ, it will only be a loss to you. If you're bad, well it gets you a step closer to a win, but I'm totally vanilla so it won't accomplish much as far as getting rid of any other power roles. Whatever man.
It's about time it got some recognition.
Well we know now that they're both civs, so I'm not sure if it really tells us anything else that is useful. Do you have any thoughts on it?Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2017 11:03 amWhat are your initial ungrounded thoughts on this?birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:59 am I think what is throwing me off is Wilgy swtiching the lynch at the last second to LC, and then both LC and Wilgy being revealed to be civ. As well as confirming how many times I associate Wilgy as a mafia player who plays fast and loose. So I'm hoping I can get my grounding here again soon.
Fair enough then. Just poking around as the opportunities arise.Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2017 1:56 pmI am always baffled when people say, "You're just trying to move attention away from yourself."birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:47 amWhile that could certainly be a good thing to look at, to play Devil's Advocate, couldn't this be viewed as you trying to move attention away from yourself? It's not like you weren't put under the microscope to a certain degree on D1.
Anything someone says other than, "Hey guys, you should pay attention to me" can be construed to mean "I'm just trying to move attention away from myself."
It's an empty thing to say. People will pay attention to whatever they want to pay attention to.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:41 am BWT's ISO:
Lies about having info for N1 poll, claims that it was to start conversation
Reads Epi as good, Long Con as ???
Suggests a plan to lynch LC, and then if LC flips good, lynch Epi. Then comments that he thinks it's neutral/neutral (town/town). Could have been a joke.
BWT re-quotes the first 5 posts of the LC/Epig thing, then votes LC. Claims that reading it again influenced his opinion. Still claims his vote is weak. Combo of over-justifying his vote yet with no substance and claiming his read was weak as he votes.
Reads Sloon as questionable for moving off of LC and "throwing shade" on BWT for his N0 infoclaim. Backs off a bit when questioned.
BWT doesn't trust arguments that involve previous game history. He replies to LC and says it strengthens his suspicion of LC. Even though Epig was the one who brough up the argument in the fist place.
Disagrees with my mafia philosophy. But then again, most people probably do.
BWT pulls back again on his LC v Epi read, again suggests that it's civ v civ. "starting to feel like it's not enough to warrant a D1 vote."
Votes for me because of an inconsistency with my town reads, and because disagreeing with my mafia philosophy is a "logic fail." Neither of these make sense as scum moves, and one of them is VASTLY hypocritical.
Read list:
-Moderate Town: MP BWT
-Slight Town: Epig Sloonei SD
-Null: Dom DDL Wilgy NewTraditionalist Nutella sanmateo Serge
-Slight Scum: LC
-Moderate Scum: speedchuck
Showing that I am suddenly in the pits, and that BWT is once again taking sides on the LC v Epi thing.
When epi defends my inconsistency, BWT points out that he's been lynched D1 as town for the same. (Wut? How is this ... agh) and then claims there's more to my read than inconcistency, citing something he apparently said (he said nothing other than inconsistency.)
Votes C in the night poll.
Pressures Nutella for saying that LC was the worst role to lose. Epi joins in. I don't understand why. Like, what. LC's role was super powerful, and this game only has 3 power roles at most. I think.
Defends this semantical anal argument after it's been going on for several posts.
Puts a tiny bit of pressure on SpaceDaisy for "giving up" in her "I don't have time for this crap" post.
Claims that he is lost as to who to look for.
Puts suspicion on Epi for advising that town look at someone that looks clean. "This draws attention away from you"
Opinion of MP is murky because of... inactivity. Null.
Still claims again to be ungrounded because of wilgy's switch lynch. Not sure how that follows. When questioned on this, he shrugs hard.
I'm going to do more of these like this, and then see how I feel about it. For now, I'm more confused by BWT's play than suspicious of it. Still suspicious though.
" - catches flak for this for some reasonOh, never mind.speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2017 12:29 pm Super interested in Epi's Serge vote. I'll read over him real quick. Serge, that is.
All of Serge's posts could fit on a T-shirt and be readable from across the street.
This morsel strikes me as genuine. That NewTraditionalist voted Wilgy just for Wilgy (jokingly?) calling him bad, and then Wilgy getting greased (when Wilgy didn't even vote NT in the end) doesn't make me think any of this calculated.NewTraditionalist wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 4:21 pmHere's a vote.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 3:27 pmThis is a lie.NewTraditionalist wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 1:14 pm Howdy, all. Delurking to encourage MP (and anyone on the fence) to vote anyone but me. I don't know all of the jargon yet so I'm not really sure where to vote but a vote for me is a vote to kill an honest man.
I think my hesitation stems from the highlighted portion of this post. It's true that you are naming DDL as your top suspect, but so far I have not seen much in the way of strong analysis or conviction to merit his "top suspect" status in your eyes. Instead it seems to me like you are just naming him a top suspect for the sake of having a top suspect and not digging as deeply into it or other things as I've seen in past games from you.nutella wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2017 3:40 pmI'd say it's more than a little jab as I've been naming DDL as a top suspect for quite a while now. Granted, my inclination to look his way initially stemmed from you throwing a vote at him, but I feel that I've independently developed my own read of him. If I've otherwise been "coasting" or going with the flow of the thread, well, that's kinda just how I do.
As is always the case when a civilian gets lynched, I think it's reasonable to speculate that at least one baddie was on board with their lynch, so it might be wise to take a look at the LC bandwagon and votes again.birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:12 amWell we know now that they're both civs, so I'm not sure if it really tells us anything else that is useful. Do you have any thoughts on it?Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2017 11:03 amWhat are your initial ungrounded thoughts on this?birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:59 am I think what is throwing me off is Wilgy swtiching the lynch at the last second to LC, and then both LC and Wilgy being revealed to be civ. As well as confirming how many times I associate Wilgy as a mafia player who plays fast and loose. So I'm hoping I can get my grounding here again soon.
I thought more people voted for LC. My current inclination is to say that MP is more suspicious than Epi, but I have not done any thorough digging since the end of Day 1 and I only read over the end of day briefly after the fact.
