Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:05 pm
Insert Matt Berry screaming "father" mp4 but change father to Long Con.
Idk what that means.Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:10 pmYou don't care about the roof.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:05 pmWhat about meeeeeee?Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:38 pmLorab is someone I've wrongly accused more times than I can count. I think I've been right about her once. I have no opinion on her today. Nothing stands out.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:30 pm nutella voters, please tell me what you think of LoRab.
I do.
I'm here, I'm trying to catch up but it's not working for me very well.
Because I can't think of a single post from those other low content folks to even have a gut read.
You haven't committed to a stance on me at any point in this game. I want to see if you'll do that.Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:32 pmsloonei what is the purpose of this question? I've already outlined my view on you. I thought you looked bad because of the way you climbed on to Jay's thing. I'm acknowledging that my view on you could have been tinted by a bias created by my sometimes overly defensive nature. Nothing's changed in your behavior to swing you back in either direction so that's why you're yellow, a gun to head read on you right now would be arbitrary.
No don't stop now. Kyle is bad and we should lynch him.FZ. wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:06 pmI'm here, I'm trying to catch up but it's not working for me very well.
I'm on page 8 so things can change. At the moment, I find myself agreeing with JJJ on Epi. Something there feels not genuine. I haven't played for a while, but I think civ Epi is more careful, and what he's doing now, is acting like he's going full force after what he believes. Sloonei said he wouldn't be this blunt on day 1, but if people are going to say that, then Epi has no problem acting just like that.
Kyle is really defending himself and making sense, so I do feel better about him. That being said, I like to trust my initial instincts, and even though no one seemed to agree with me, the post I talked about did feel to me like a frustrated baddie who doesn't like the civvies' powers.
Nutella made a post siding with Jay and Epi made a snap decision to vote for her which led to others following the ringleader including ironically for a time Jay but as they are want to do they have found another shiny object to chase meow.
Tell me your feelings, FZ.speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:21 pm1. Citation needed. Nutella hasn't commented anything committal to the subject until now, when it's winding downnutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:53 pm 1. OK, I've been on Jay's side pretty much throughout this Epi bullshit, 2. and the comparisons to RvB and WTNV, as well as Epi apparently being afraid to lynch Jay, seal it for me. 3. I'm voting for Epi. 4. There's a sea of wifom here but basically 5. I don't think he should be acting like this even if it's to provoke reactions such as mine.
2. citing arguments that aren't hers to pad her post, ignoring any counters. Also, WTNV was an argument for town epi. Nut doesn't care.
3. The vote.
4. Disclaimer for when she's wrong
5. Very weakly-stated opinion that is not phrased as being alignment related and puts the blame on Epi for her voting him.
I'm not and you shouldn't.
Don't try to catch upFZ. wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:06 pmI'm here, I'm trying to catch up but it's not working for me very well.
I'm on page 8 so things can change. At the moment, I find myself agreeing with JJJ on Epi. Something there feels not genuine. I haven't played for a while, but I think civ Epi is more careful, and what he's doing now, is acting like he's going full force after what he believes. Sloonei said he wouldn't be this blunt on day 1, but if people are going to say that, then Epi has no problem acting just like that.
Kyle is really defending himself and making sense, so I do feel better about him. That being said, I like to trust my initial instincts, and even though no one seemed to agree with me, the post I talked about did feel to me like a frustrated baddie who doesn't like the civvies' powers.
ELI5MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:11 pm We should lynch Kyle everybody. Definitely. He is a mafia.
Why?MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:11 pm We should lynch Kyle everybody. Definitely. He is a mafia.
I am committing right now to the stance of "there's no point in me reading you until I've seen you do anything other than tunnel on me, so ask me later once you've done anything other than that and I will probably have a better answer"
Maybe describe it in a sentence. I don't need no stinkin' references.
I'm not around that much right now, so no. I could not.MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:04 pm Speedchuck in the interest of developing a read on you could you opine on the strangeways the Jay and Epi situation unfolded from the perspective of either being Mafia? It'll be fun.
You appear to not need convincing to vote for him so weird question there Sloonster. Tell me why you're voting for him and I will agree.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:12 pmWhy?MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:11 pm We should lynch Kyle everybody. Definitely. He is a mafia.
Can you make a post that says Jimmy is scum plz?speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:15 pmI'm not around that much right now, so no. I could not.MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:04 pm Speedchuck in the interest of developing a read on you could you opine on the strangeways the Jay and Epi situation unfolded from the perspective of either being Mafia? It'll be fun.
Besides, I'm not on the poll, so you don't have to worry about me today.
linki: in Macdougall we trust
@DrWilgy if I followed Mac onto Kylemii would you follow me
linkilinkilinki I don't have time for this crap
Hot cake moonlight pilgrim yoho diablo.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:14 pmMaybe describe it in a sentence. I don't need no stinkin' references.
So civ.
You'll agree with anything I say? I think Kyle is a crab person here to corrupt all our lives through mafia games. The sooner we're rid of him, the sooner we can propser.MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:15 pmYou appear to not need convincing to vote for him so weird question there Sloonster. Tell me why you're voting for him and I will agree.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:12 pmWhy?MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:11 pm We should lynch Kyle everybody. Definitely. He is a mafia.
Compelling case. I agree.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:17 pmYou'll agree with anything I say? I think Kyle is a crab person here to corrupt all our lives through mafia games. The sooner we're rid of him, the sooner we can propser.MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:15 pmYou appear to not need convincing to vote for him so weird question there Sloonster. Tell me why you're voting for him and I will agree.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:12 pmWhy?MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:11 pm We should lynch Kyle everybody. Definitely. He is a mafia.
I asked you why because I wanted to know what motivated your comment.
It doesn't really feel bad to me. I rely more on tone, and her tone feels genuine.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:10 pmTell me your feelings, FZ.speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:21 pm1. Citation needed. Nutella hasn't commented anything committal to the subject until now, when it's winding downnutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:53 pm 1. OK, I've been on Jay's side pretty much throughout this Epi bullshit, 2. and the comparisons to RvB and WTNV, as well as Epi apparently being afraid to lynch Jay, seal it for me. 3. I'm voting for Epi. 4. There's a sea of wifom here but basically 5. I don't think he should be acting like this even if it's to provoke reactions such as mine.
2. citing arguments that aren't hers to pad her post, ignoring any counters. Also, WTNV was an argument for town epi. Nut doesn't care.
3. The vote.
4. Disclaimer for when she's wrong
5. Very weakly-stated opinion that is not phrased as being alignment related and puts the blame on Epi for her voting him.
I half agree. I had two reactions to that post. The same thing that FZ said crossed my mind when reading Kyle's post at first, but then at the same time I didn't trust FZ's post because it could also read like projection. Which gets kind of contradictory cause I did think the same thing as her. All this to say that my gut is not trusting of FZ at this point.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:23 pmI don't care for F.Z.'s take there. It's original, but it's a reach to say a guy is frustrated about power arrangements just because he mentioned powers. I could see it as an effort to heap onto the Kyle Pile without being complicit in promoting my poop.
I do like this reasoning for reading Kyle town. It's a pet peeve that players should be able to give the same emotional output as town and scum without being considered to do something "not in spirit of the game" - BUT it rarely happens. The specific respect-angle here I agree is coming from town more likely than scum (unless maybe teamed with JJJ, but that's a topic for the after party, probably). I also like JJJ pointing this out, cause he didn't have to. But that's about the only thing I really like about JJJ (without really disliking him (in terms of alignment, he's lovely for sure : p)JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:41 pm I do think Kyle's response to my nonsense was an incorrect representation of the purpose it may serve (ignoring/discarding the obvious civilian motive). I read him in the civilian direction anyway on the basis of tone. I am not sure Kyle is the sort to say he "doesn't have respect for" some play being made if he isn't genuinely angry about it -- an anger I'd expect to be more civilian-driven than mafia-driven.
I have qualms about this whole line of defense from JJJ. He's playing it off like he was this huge driver for debate, while in actuality what made the content was Kyle's reaction and Kyle's posts, which JJJ had no control over. If he had flung the poop on me I would've posted a cat gif and moved on - then what? So logically, JJJ didn't write or do the content. The other reason I have qualms with this is that I regocnize that I've used this exact line of defense as scum several times - played off reactions to me doing something as all of it being my doing and my content when in actuality I had no direct control over it.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:59 am I don't care what bothers you. I won Phenon: Origins because the civilians were generally disengaged and did not try. I won Transistor because the civilians were generally disengaged and did not try. Rule #1 is to let a lazy thread remain lazy. There have been instances where I've provided some half-assed fake "motivation", like "let's go, the thread is moving too slow". Those things never matter and don't hasten the thread pace.
Pushing Kyle's buttons and blowing it up? That works. I know what works. Feel free to discard this shit after this game now that it's plainly stated, but it's true right now.
The votes appear to be changeable.
I mean, up to the point you enter the thread all Epig has said is that what JJJ (and Sloonei (?)) have been doing doesn't make them town and that JJJ doesn't seem sincere. That is hardly a case. It may be genuine intuition, but that's all, and that is me giving goodwill to it. There's nothing really to respond to for JJJ to be fair.MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:21 am Just read his iso. You are in shit sling mode because Epi is on the verge of handing you your ass. None of your arguments against him are rational. You are doubling down on omgus because it's wifom and your day 1 is a choreographed mimicry of your usual play without the common sense.
I forgot how helpful you could be
So why did you put him in green in your rainbow?
FZ. wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:40 pmSo why did you put him in green in your rainbow?
This is something that bothered me too. Jay actually had minimal influence on the discussion aside from starting it. He posted a silly science man gif and sauntered off.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:33 pmI have qualms about this whole line of defense from JJJ. He's playing it off like he was this huge driver for debate, while in actuality what made the content was Kyle's reaction and Kyle's posts, which JJJ had no control over. If he had flung the poop on me I would've posted a cat gif and moved on - then what? So logically, JJJ didn't write or do the content. The other reason I have qualms with this is that I regocnize that I've used this exact line of defense as scum several times - played off reactions to me doing something as all of it being my doing and my content when in actuality I had no direct control over it.
I am sensitive to getting lynched day one over bullshit because of frequent past experiences. It used to be so bad that I would really just sign up for like 5 games at once fully expecting to get lynched early in 1 or 2 of them to balance it out. Realistically, in retrospect overextending myself in that way probably contributed to the bullshit.- Why is Kyle worried about getting lynched for no reason so early by JJJ? FZ was the one with some actual piece of reasoning.
this is a misunderstanding. when I said I get where he's coming from, I meant I get where he comes from about wanting to establish reads on those two as early as possible. I don't see Jay and Sloonei as W/W.- I don't get how Kyle can say he "gets where Epig is coming from" concerning the scum duo read on JJJ and Sloonei when it's just as baseless as JJJ's brick throwing. Weird.