Escape From Trump Tower [GAME OVER]

[112]

It's perhaps that you're in your own head a bit too much here.

No. I'm literally claiming third party. Or "independent" as you maybe call it here.

Ugh. I hate this post. Dammit Dizzy.

I hate this post.

[Long Con]

I like Wilgy as Civ. I don't think Wolf Wilgy would jab at 3P-claimed Dizzy.

[DrWilgy]

@Scirrus besides them apparently being sort by post count, do you have actual objections to my no kill list? Do you think I have someone in the list that shouldn’t be?

If this is for D1, I'm actually fine with everyone in your list, except Sloonei. Like a lot of people think Sloonei is playing to his scum meta. So that qualifies them as a good lynch candidate at least imo. I wouldn't be super upset about lynching Dizzy either but there's the chance of his claim about not dying until N3 could be telling the truth?

I wouldn't like...hard clear most people in your giant list, because the chance of a misclear isn't that low when we're working with so many actives. But it's a good place to start

I mean yeah, it’s a D1 starting point, I’m not hard locking and never reconsidering, but you gotta start somewhere!

I pretty firmly believe in keeping sloonei alive until D3 at least

I somewhat agree with this. A scumloonbread would likely be outed by then.

What causes pause is the info we can gain on a correct d1 baddie lynch, how poorly I feel about sloonei being town, and the potential two mislynches before getting there.

I'd rather be right than passive seems to be the argument against this.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Moving my vote to long con

[DrWilgy]

It's perhaps that you're in your own head a bit too much here.

No. I'm literally claiming third party. Or "independent" as you maybe call it here.

Ugh. I hate this post. Dammit Dizzy.

I hate this post.

Oho ho ho! Oh do tell me why?

[DrWilgy]

I like Wilgy as Civ. I don't think Wolf Wilgy would jab at 3P-claimed Dizzy.

Why do we think this? It would be an easy move.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@Scirrus besides them apparently being sort by post count, do you have actual objections to my no kill list? Do you think I have someone in the list that shouldn’t be?

If this is for D1, I'm actually fine with everyone in your list, except Sloonei. Like a lot of people think Sloonei is playing to his scum meta. So that qualifies them as a good lynch candidate at least imo. I wouldn't be super upset about lynching Dizzy either but there's the chance of his claim about not dying until N3 could be telling the truth?

I wouldn't like...hard clear most people in your giant list, because the chance of a misclear isn't that low when we're working with so many actives. But it's a good place to start

I mean yeah, it’s a D1 starting point, I’m not hard locking and never reconsidering, but you gotta start somewhere!

I pretty firmly believe in keeping sloonei alive until D3 at least

I somewhat agree with this. A scumloonbread would likely be outed by then.

What causes pause is the info we can gain on a correct d1 baddie lynch, how poorly I feel about sloonei being town, and the potential two mislynches before getting there.

I'd rather be right than passive seems to be the argument against this.

They’re slanking two games right now so I don’t think it’s AI

[112]

It's perhaps that you're in your own head a bit too much here.

No. I'm literally claiming third party. Or "independent" as you maybe call it here.

Ugh. I hate this post. Dammit Dizzy.

I hate this post.

Oho ho ho! Oh do tell me why?

It reads like you're faking emotion

[Jackofhearts2005]

I forgot to say hi to Scirrus (I normally greet players I haven’t played with before) but he’s posted so much it feels awkward to do it now.

Hi Jack! I'm Scirrus. I like pina coladas, long walks on the beach, and killing mafia! Wbu?

Hi, Scirrus.

I like Total Warhammer and making fun of libertarians.

[112]

I forgot to say hi to Scirrus (I normally greet players I haven’t played with before) but he’s posted so much it feels awkward to do it now.

Hi Jack! I'm Scirrus. I like pina coladas, long walks on the beach, and killing mafia! Wbu?

Hi, Scirrus.

I like Total Warhammer and making fun of libertarians.

But I need my market freedom.

[112]

I like Wilgy as Civ. I don't think Wolf Wilgy would jab at 3P-claimed Dizzy.

Why not?

[Tangrowth]

I would vote Dizzy over Sloonei, but that's not saying much. I'd rather pressure some other folks before we lynch Dizzy if we're going to do that.

[Tangrowth]

@Scirrus besides them apparently being sort by post count, do you have actual objections to my no kill list? Do you think I have someone in the list that shouldn’t be?

If this is for D1, I'm actually fine with everyone in your list, except Sloonei. Like a lot of people think Sloonei is playing to his scum meta. So that qualifies them as a good lynch candidate at least imo. I wouldn't be super upset about lynching Dizzy either but there's the chance of his claim about not dying until N3 could be telling the truth?

I wouldn't like...hard clear most people in your giant list, because the chance of a misclear isn't that low when we're working with so many actives. But it's a good place to start

I mean yeah, it’s a D1 starting point, I’m not hard locking and never reconsidering, but you gotta start somewhere!

I pretty firmly believe in keeping sloonei alive until D3 at least

I somewhat agree with this. A scumloonbread would likely be outed by then.

What causes pause is the info we can gain on a correct d1 baddie lynch, how poorly I feel about sloonei being town, and the potential two mislynches before getting there.

I'd rather be right than passive seems to be the argument against this.

I don't disagree with any of those considerations, but being incorrect and lynching a potentially game-saving/active townie on Day 1 is the risk that you run it with.

[Tangrowth]

It's perhaps that you're in your own head a bit too much here.

No. I'm literally claiming third party. Or "independent" as you maybe call it here.

Ugh. I hate this post. Dammit Dizzy.

I hate this post.

Oho ho ho! Oh do tell me why?

It reads like you're faking emotion

I love this take.

[DrWilgy]

It's perhaps that you're in your own head a bit too much here.

No. I'm literally claiming third party. Or "independent" as you maybe call it here.

Ugh. I hate this post. Dammit Dizzy.

I hate this post.

Oho ho ho! Oh do tell me why?

It reads like you're faking emotion

Interesting as this does derive from a true conflict. Why would I desire to prevent Dizzy from winning vs clearing all variables necessary for victory.

Why would you say you hate my post instead of being upfront about the perceived fake emotion?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I would vote Dizzy over Sloonei, but that's not saying much. I'd rather pressure some other folks before we lynch Dizzy if we're going to do that.

Can I interest you in a long con

[Tangrowth]

I would vote Dizzy over Sloonei, but that's not saying much. I'd rather pressure some other folks before we lynch Dizzy if we're going to do that.

Can I interest you in a long con

Sure, I'm down. Not feeling a Wilgy vote much anymore.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

[DrWilgy]

I would vote Dizzy over Sloonei, but that's not saying much. I'd rather pressure some other folks before we lynch Dizzy if we're going to do that.

Why is it between the two here?

[112]

It's perhaps that you're in your own head a bit too much here.

No. I'm literally claiming third party. Or "independent" as you maybe call it here.

Ugh. I hate this post. Dammit Dizzy.

I hate this post.

Oho ho ho! Oh do tell me why?

It reads like you're faking emotion

Interesting as this does derive from a true conflict. Why would I desire to prevent Dizzy from winning vs clearing all variables necessary for victory.

Why would you say you hate my post instead of being upfront about the perceived fake emotion?

I don't understand your first question. I don't think all posts have to be read with intention behind them, and I don't think there was any intention readily discernible from that post. Sometimes scum are just trying to fill in their posts/up their involvement without doing anything additional to that.

And I like gauging responses. Your Santa Clause post read the same way as the first one to me. Now I have two artificial-feeling posts to read.

[Tangrowth]

So I went back and looked at the past two G-Man politically-themed heist games...

Golden won the first one as a sole 3p winner.
Scum won the second one with no 3p winner.

The second game did feature one 3p role, and it was Julian Assange; we lynched him Day 1.

Founder of WikiLeaks and an expert at stirring the pot, you are no fan of the United States government. Each night, and also Day 0, you will receive a dossier on any player of your choice, learning their role. You may not abstain from receiving these dossiers and you may only keep up to two dossiers a secret at a time. Once you have dossiers in your posession, you may choose to either implicate or expose one of the dossier subjects. Implicating exposes their role in the game thread. Exposing them will eliminate them from the game. While you have no love for the Republican Party, you can win with them, so long as you do not implicate or expose anyone on their side. As long as you keep implicating and exposing Democrats, the Republicans will not be able to nightkill you. Should you implicate or expose a Republican, you will have to win as a last man standing. At the beginning of the game, you may select one player to bring down with you should you be lynched or nightkilled. You must make this decision before receiving any dossiers and your decision cannot be changed. If this player dies before you in the game, your selection will not be made known to the rest of the game thread.


However, the one 3p role in the first game seems... more pertinent. Golden had this role:

JEB BUSH, failed Republican candidate and an enemy of Donald Trump. You have been hired to assassinate Donald Trump by powerful Republican donors who will do anything to necessitate a substitute candidate for November. At night, you act as a serial killer. Each night, you may submit the name of any player you wish to kill. You will exit the game victorious if you kill Trump yourself. If the mafia kills him or he is lynched, you can only win the game by being the last man standing.

[Tangrowth]

I would vote Dizzy over Sloonei, but that's not saying much. I'd rather pressure some other folks before we lynch Dizzy if we're going to do that.

Why is it between the two here?

It doesn't have to be; it's just that Sloonei still has 4 votes right now and I'd rather not see him die even if he doesn't post more today tbh.

[112]

I would vote Dizzy over Sloonei, but that's not saying much. I'd rather pressure some other folks before we lynch Dizzy if we're going to do that.

Can I interest you in a long con

Sure, I'm down. Not feeling a Wilgy vote much anymore.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Why did you change your mind on Wilgy so quickly?

[Tangrowth]

So... what we learned is that G-Man likes 3p roles.

[Tangrowth]

I would vote Dizzy over Sloonei, but that's not saying much. I'd rather pressure some other folks before we lynch Dizzy if we're going to do that.

Can I interest you in a long con

Sure, I'm down. Not feeling a Wilgy vote much anymore.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Why did you change your mind on Wilgy so quickly?

I'm not really sure about him.

[Tangrowth]

@Scirrus besides them apparently being sort by post count, do you have actual objections to my no kill list? Do you think I have someone in the list that shouldn’t be?

If this is for D1, I'm actually fine with everyone in your list, except Sloonei. Like a lot of people think Sloonei is playing to his scum meta. So that qualifies them as a good lynch candidate at least imo. I wouldn't be super upset about lynching Dizzy either but there's the chance of his claim about not dying until N3 could be telling the truth?

I wouldn't like...hard clear most people in your giant list, because the chance of a misclear isn't that low when we're working with so many actives. But it's a good place to start

I mean yeah, it’s a D1 starting point, I’m not hard locking and never reconsidering, but you gotta start somewhere!

I pretty firmly believe in keeping sloonei alive until D3 at least

I somewhat agree with this. A scumloonbread would likely be outed by then.

What causes pause is the info we can gain on a correct d1 baddie lynch, how poorly I feel about sloonei being town, and the potential two mislynches before getting there.

I'd rather be right than passive seems to be the argument against this.

Hmmm... I suppose I could see an issue with Wilgy here too. Like... it feels like he's trying to justify having his cake and eating it too. Maybe I did move off of him too quickly.

[Tangrowth]

Updated MP7 reads list thingy

Town for now -- [would never lynch right now]
112
Epignosis
juliets
Nanook
Scirrus

Let's give X another day here -- [would prefer not to lynch]
Funnygurl
Jack
MacDougall
Sloonei

Upper POE -- [would passively consider lynch]
Soneji
TSP / nova

Lower POE -- [would actively consider lynch]
DrWilgy
Dyslexicon
Long Con

[Tangrowth]

Someone talk to me more about nova too. I don't really get any impression that what he did while he was here would be hard to fake at all. I wish I had been able to see some more there. Hopefully TSP can clear himself.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

He seemed very “free range” with his posting, reminded me of the times I’ve seen him play town.

[Tangrowth]

He seemed very “free range” with his posting, reminded me of the times I’ve seen him play town.

I'll consider that you have more meta than I do. Is he more stilted as scum then?

[Tangrowth]

He seemed very “free range” with his posting, reminded me of the times I’ve seen him play town.

I'll consider that you have more meta than I do. Is he more stilted as scum then?

To add to this, I'm not entirely sure why I don't see his stream-of-consciousness posting quite as town as some of you all. Perhaps because it felt thin, or... reminded me of ways I could replicate my quick posting style but lacking the content, not that I think our styles are particularly similar or anything.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

He seemed very “free range” with his posting, reminded me of the times I’ve seen him play town.

I'll consider that you have more meta than I do. Is he more stilted as scum then?

Idk that I actually have more meta—I’ve seen one and a half town games I think, so. It isn’t a read I’d lock in, but for D1 it’s good enough imo

[Tangrowth]

He seemed very “free range” with his posting, reminded me of the times I’ve seen him play town.

I'll consider that you have more meta than I do. Is he more stilted as scum then?

Idk that I actually have more meta—I’ve seen one and a half town games I think, so. It isn’t a read I’d lock in, but for D1 it’s good enough imo

That's fair. I'm just running out of people sort of... I may have to re-expand my POE, but the "give X another day" folks I'd feel bad about considering at this point.

[Tangrowth]

That is, my list is entirely focused on D1 lynch as well, if that weren't clear. I'm certainly not saying to lock 112, Epi, you, etc. as town, because lol.

[Tangrowth]

Okay, time for me to do other things, be back later! At a minimum I'll be here an hour or two prior to EoD.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

That is, my list is entirely focused on D1 lynch as well, if that weren't clear. I'm certainly not saying to lock 112, Epi, you, etc. as town, because lol.

Yeh, my list is similar

Curious why mac is so high on yours, is it just because he’s Mac or...?

[DrWilgy]

No. I'm literally claiming third party. Or "independent" as you maybe call it here.

Ugh. I hate this post. Dammit Dizzy.

I hate this post.

Oho ho ho! Oh do tell me why?

It reads like you're faking emotion

Interesting as this does derive from a true conflict. Why would I desire to prevent Dizzy from winning vs clearing all variables necessary for victory.

Why would you say you hate my post instead of being upfront about the perceived fake emotion?

I don't understand your first question. I don't think all posts have to be read with intention behind them, and I don't think there was any intention readily discernible from that post. Sometimes scum are just trying to fill in their posts/up their involvement without doing anything additional to that.

And I like gauging responses. Your Santa Clause post read the same way as the first one to me. Now I have two artificial-feeling posts to read.

You mean "Why would I desire to prevent Dizzy from winning?" I'm assuming if we attempt to lynch Dizzy if they are 3p they can no longer win. If they can win along side civ, why would I not preffer that?

This is in contrast to what would be clearing all variables. Does the conflict make sense now?

Also this is fair. I'm believing that you are genuine here but incorrect.

[juliets]

Juliets/nova/112 are off the table for me, Epi and sloonei probably too. Probably scirrus too actually.

Someone sell me on a vote outside that group please, I don’t want to do more work

Replace me with nanook and the same players are off the table for me. I'll also throw in Dizzy.

I figure most people are working though and may not be able to post during the day so I'll wait and see who brings what to the party tonight. I guess for MP though it will be tomorrow (based on his earlier post).

Same question as above.

In the beginning Sloonei was posting, throwing out thoughts and prods just like I'm accustomed to with civ Sloonei. His comment about me bothered me a little not because he suspected me but because of the reasons. As you pointed out I felt he should have known better. But, Sloonei is a power player and I couldn't see voting to lynch him over that.

In my post a little earlier today though I said I was going to take another look at his posts as people I respect think this is his scum meta. I will do that right after I finish catching up.

[DrWilgy]

MP, I'm starting to dislike your lines here.

I feel that you are drawing and encouraging lines of agreement and suspicion that aren't necessarily your own, but more so assist a narrative that is in your favor. I.e. you leave me in the null stating you don't know how you feel but at the same time leaving me at would lynch.

Your LC vote also piggy backing off Nanook.

[112]

Ugh. I hate this post. Dammit Dizzy.

I hate this post.

Oho ho ho! Oh do tell me why?

It reads like you're faking emotion

Interesting as this does derive from a true conflict. Why would I desire to prevent Dizzy from winning vs clearing all variables necessary for victory.

Why would you say you hate my post instead of being upfront about the perceived fake emotion?

I don't understand your first question. I don't think all posts have to be read with intention behind them, and I don't think there was any intention readily discernible from that post. Sometimes scum are just trying to fill in their posts/up their involvement without doing anything additional to that.

And I like gauging responses. Your Santa Clause post read the same way as the first one to me. Now I have two artificial-feeling posts to read.

You mean "Why would I desire to prevent Dizzy from winning?" I'm assuming if we attempt to lynch Dizzy if they are 3p they can no longer win. If they can win along side civ, why would I not preffer that?

This is in contrast to what would be clearing all variables. Does the conflict make sense now?

Also this is fair. I'm believing that you are genuine here but incorrect.

The issue in not lynching Dys is that we don't know what his wincon is. That's the problem whenever someone claims 3P: they can lie about what they need to do to win, and so I don't think it's intelligent to wait until endgame to sort them. He might only be able to solo-victory.

[DrWilgy]

Crackshot baddie list: Sloonei, MP, and Jack

Delimiters of this would be LC, Nanook and Epi.

[juliets]

my meta of jack is that he doesn't lowpost. could anyone with more experience with him chime in?

In most of the games I have played with him he is not a low poster though I seem to recall sometimes he doesn't go all out right at the beginning. I would not say high posting is AI for him - my memory is he was posting up a storm to keep me from suspecting him leading up to our F3 with Lexi in Inception where he was bad and he also posts a lot as town.

Not excusing him, but there's a world where jack hosting the jack of jacking off has him jacking around too much to post today and there's also the jack attack that happened in corrupt that may have jack jack back from the lines of attack that we normally see as whack.

But Jack's game is not going yet so he's not yet hosting unless he's hosting somewhere else or I'm mistaken. What was the "jack attack" that happened in Corrupt that might have changed his play style? I don't have a firm opinion on him yet but it does seem odd that he's not posting more.

[DrWilgy]

The issue in not lynching Dys is that we don't know what his wincon is. That's the problem whenever someone claims 3P: they can lie about what they need to do to win, and so I don't think it's intelligent to wait until endgame to sort them. He might only be able to solo-victory.

I agree.

Theoretically we can wait to see if there's a gamestate danger of Dizzy existing, but there's even more confusion there.

This entire discussion highlights the loss of clarity claiming 3p causes that I had complained about previously.

[juliets]

Is Soneji always this quiet? It's been so long since I played with him I can't remember.

Si.

If I recall correctly Ji tends to big post between longer periods of break.

Thanks Wilgy, I'll try to be patient in that case.

[juliets]

I would love to hear some impressions or leans or whatever you're comfortable with at this point. I don't have any impression of you right now except I like you and Jack is funny. Please give me something to work with.

You are good.
112 is good but I'm not as sure as I'm not used to them.
Sloonei is likely bad and in contrast Epi is likely good.
I'm open to Dad being added to my list of nicknames.
Jack being mia is nbd for the moment.
Nanook is somewhat sketchy.
I'm not going to pretend that I can ever read LC.

Does this satisfy you Jules or do you have any questions. Do my thoughts raise any questions?

Linki: M Plus 7 probably Nanook.

Yes, that helps me understand what you're thinking, thank you. My only question is what does "nbd" mean?

[DrWilgy]

my meta of jack is that he doesn't lowpost. could anyone with more experience with him chime in?

In most of the games I have played with him he is not a low poster though I seem to recall sometimes he doesn't go all out right at the beginning. I would not say high posting is AI for him - my memory is he was posting up a storm to keep me from suspecting him leading up to our F3 with Lexi in Inception where he was bad and he also posts a lot as town.

Not excusing him, but there's a world where jack hosting the jack of jacking off has him jacking around too much to post today and there's also the jack attack that happened in corrupt that may have jack jack back from the lines of attack that we normally see as whack.

But Jack's game is not going yet so he's not yet hosting unless he's hosting somewhere else or I'm mistaken. What was the "jack attack" that happened in Corrupt that might have changed his play style? I don't have a firm opinion on him yet but it does seem odd that he's not posting more.

I didn't know if he was doing something behind the scenes or anything. Just recalled that I had signed up to jack off not too long ago.

The Jack attack I'm referring to is the Jack vs. nanook tangent that happened in corrupt... BUT I'm unsure if that would show impact here either.

The jist of what I'm saying, is that if there's one person I'd like to see more of before I form meta based opinions it's [mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention]

[DrWilgy]

I would love to hear some impressions or leans or whatever you're comfortable with at this point. I don't have any impression of you right now except I like you and Jack is funny. Please give me something to work with.

You are good.
112 is good but I'm not as sure as I'm not used to them.
Sloonei is likely bad and in contrast Epi is likely good.
I'm open to Dad being added to my list of nicknames.
Jack being mia is nbd for the moment.
Nanook is somewhat sketchy.
I'm not going to pretend that I can ever read LC.

Does this satisfy you Jules or do you have any questions. Do my thoughts raise any questions?

Linki: M Plus 7 probably Nanook.

Yes, that helps me understand what you're thinking, thank you. My only question is what does "nbd" mean?

no big deal.

[Tangrowth]

MP, I'm starting to dislike your lines here.

I feel that you are drawing and encouraging lines of agreement and suspicion that aren't necessarily your own, but more so assist a narrative that is in your favor. I.e. you leave me in the null stating you don't know how you feel but at the same time leaving me at would lynch.

Your LC vote also piggy backing off Nanook.

I don't understand, what's the scum strategy I'm employing exactly?

[Tangrowth]

That is, my list is entirely focused on D1 lynch as well, if that weren't clear. I'm certainly not saying to lock 112, Epi, you, etc. as town, because lol.

Yeh, my list is similar

Curious why mac is so high on yours, is it just because he’s Mac or...?

Essentially, and it sounds strange but I don't think scum Mac would just keep popping in here to openly sheep someone. It's a weak take, but I think if he rolled scum even with other obligations he would try to come up with his own reads more. Town Mac is more extreme, either full on or sheeping like here.

That's just my perception though.

[Tangrowth]

Crackshot baddie list: Sloonei, MP, and Jack

Delimiters of this would be LC, Nanook and Epi.

Do you mind expanding on some of the ones you haven't talked about as much, like Epi?

[DrWilgy]

MP, I'm starting to dislike your lines here.

I feel that you are drawing and encouraging lines of agreement and suspicion that aren't necessarily your own, but more so assist a narrative that is in your favor. I.e. you leave me in the null stating you don't know how you feel but at the same time leaving me at would lynch.

Your LC vote also piggy backing off Nanook.

I don't understand, what's the scum strategy I'm employing exactly?

Not sure if there's a term for it, but the encouragement of genuine town thoughts that give a scum benefit.

Linki: I think he's right re sloonei and his suspicion feels genuine.