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I hate this post.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:19 amUgh. I hate this post. Dammit Dizzy.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:19 pmNo. I'm literally claiming third party. Or "independent" as you maybe call it here.
I somewhat agree with this. A scumloonbread would likely be outed by then.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:19 amI mean yeah, it’s a D1 starting point, I’m not hard locking and never reconsidering, but you gotta start somewhere!Scirrus wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:02 amIf this is for D1, I'm actually fine with everyone in your list, except Sloonei. Like a lot of people think Sloonei is playing to his scum meta. So that qualifies them as a good lynch candidate at least imo. I wouldn't be super upset about lynching Dizzy either but there's the chance of his claim about not dying until N3 could be telling the truth?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:40 am @Scirrus besides them apparently being sort by post count, do you have actual objections to my no kill list? Do you think I have someone in the list that shouldn’t be?
I wouldn't like...hard clear most people in your giant list, because the chance of a misclear isn't that low when we're working with so many actives. But it's a good place to start
I pretty firmly believe in keeping sloonei alive until D3 at least
They’re slanking two games right now so I don’t think it’s AIDrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:35 amI somewhat agree with this. A scumloonbread would likely be outed by then.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:19 amI mean yeah, it’s a D1 starting point, I’m not hard locking and never reconsidering, but you gotta start somewhere!Scirrus wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:02 amIf this is for D1, I'm actually fine with everyone in your list, except Sloonei. Like a lot of people think Sloonei is playing to his scum meta. So that qualifies them as a good lynch candidate at least imo. I wouldn't be super upset about lynching Dizzy either but there's the chance of his claim about not dying until N3 could be telling the truth?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:40 am @Scirrus besides them apparently being sort by post count, do you have actual objections to my no kill list? Do you think I have someone in the list that shouldn’t be?
I wouldn't like...hard clear most people in your giant list, because the chance of a misclear isn't that low when we're working with so many actives. But it's a good place to start
I pretty firmly believe in keeping sloonei alive until D3 at least
What causes pause is the info we can gain on a correct d1 baddie lynch, how poorly I feel about sloonei being town, and the potential two mislynches before getting there.
I'd rather be right than passive seems to be the argument against this.
It reads like you're faking emotionDrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:37 amOho ho ho! Oh do tell me why?
Hi, Scirrus.Scirrus wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:55 amHi Jack! I'm Scirrus. I like pina coladas, long walks on the beach, and killing mafia! Wbu?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:29 am I forgot to say hi to Scirrus (I normally greet players I haven’t played with before) but he’s posted so much it feels awkward to do it now.
But I need my market freedom.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:41 amHi, Scirrus.Scirrus wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:55 amHi Jack! I'm Scirrus. I like pina coladas, long walks on the beach, and killing mafia! Wbu?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:29 am I forgot to say hi to Scirrus (I normally greet players I haven’t played with before) but he’s posted so much it feels awkward to do it now.
I like Total Warhammer and making fun of libertarians.
I don't disagree with any of those considerations, but being incorrect and lynching a potentially game-saving/active townie on Day 1 is the risk that you run it with.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:35 amI somewhat agree with this. A scumloonbread would likely be outed by then.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:19 amI mean yeah, it’s a D1 starting point, I’m not hard locking and never reconsidering, but you gotta start somewhere!Scirrus wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:02 amIf this is for D1, I'm actually fine with everyone in your list, except Sloonei. Like a lot of people think Sloonei is playing to his scum meta. So that qualifies them as a good lynch candidate at least imo. I wouldn't be super upset about lynching Dizzy either but there's the chance of his claim about not dying until N3 could be telling the truth?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:40 am @Scirrus besides them apparently being sort by post count, do you have actual objections to my no kill list? Do you think I have someone in the list that shouldn’t be?
I wouldn't like...hard clear most people in your giant list, because the chance of a misclear isn't that low when we're working with so many actives. But it's a good place to start
I pretty firmly believe in keeping sloonei alive until D3 at least
What causes pause is the info we can gain on a correct d1 baddie lynch, how poorly I feel about sloonei being town, and the potential two mislynches before getting there.
I'd rather be right than passive seems to be the argument against this.
I love this take.112 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:41 amIt reads like you're faking emotionDrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:37 amOho ho ho! Oh do tell me why?
Interesting as this does derive from a true conflict. Why would I desire to prevent Dizzy from winning vs clearing all variables necessary for victory.112 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:41 amIt reads like you're faking emotionDrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:37 amOho ho ho! Oh do tell me why?
Sure, I'm down. Not feeling a Wilgy vote much anymore.
I don't understand your first question. I don't think all posts have to be read with intention behind them, and I don't think there was any intention readily discernible from that post. Sometimes scum are just trying to fill in their posts/up their involvement without doing anything additional to that.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:49 amInteresting as this does derive from a true conflict. Why would I desire to prevent Dizzy from winning vs clearing all variables necessary for victory.112 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:41 amIt reads like you're faking emotionDrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:37 amOho ho ho! Oh do tell me why?
Why would you say you hate my post instead of being upfront about the perceived fake emotion?
It doesn't have to be; it's just that Sloonei still has 4 votes right now and I'd rather not see him die even if he doesn't post more today tbh.
Why did you change your mind on Wilgy so quickly?M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:52 amSure, I'm down. Not feeling a Wilgy vote much anymore.
[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine
I'm not really sure about him.112 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:57 amWhy did you change your mind on Wilgy so quickly?M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:52 amSure, I'm down. Not feeling a Wilgy vote much anymore.
[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine
Hmmm... I suppose I could see an issue with Wilgy here too. Like... it feels like he's trying to justify having his cake and eating it too. Maybe I did move off of him too quickly.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:35 amI somewhat agree with this. A scumloonbread would likely be outed by then.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:19 amI mean yeah, it’s a D1 starting point, I’m not hard locking and never reconsidering, but you gotta start somewhere!Scirrus wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:02 amIf this is for D1, I'm actually fine with everyone in your list, except Sloonei. Like a lot of people think Sloonei is playing to his scum meta. So that qualifies them as a good lynch candidate at least imo. I wouldn't be super upset about lynching Dizzy either but there's the chance of his claim about not dying until N3 could be telling the truth?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:40 am @Scirrus besides them apparently being sort by post count, do you have actual objections to my no kill list? Do you think I have someone in the list that shouldn’t be?
I wouldn't like...hard clear most people in your giant list, because the chance of a misclear isn't that low when we're working with so many actives. But it's a good place to start
I pretty firmly believe in keeping sloonei alive until D3 at least
What causes pause is the info we can gain on a correct d1 baddie lynch, how poorly I feel about sloonei being town, and the potential two mislynches before getting there.
I'd rather be right than passive seems to be the argument against this.
I'll consider that you have more meta than I do. Is he more stilted as scum then?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:11 pm He seemed very “free range” with his posting, reminded me of the times I’ve seen him play town.
To add to this, I'm not entirely sure why I don't see his stream-of-consciousness posting quite as town as some of you all. Perhaps because it felt thin, or... reminded me of ways I could replicate my quick posting style but lacking the content, not that I think our styles are particularly similar or anything.M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:12 pmI'll consider that you have more meta than I do. Is he more stilted as scum then?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:11 pm He seemed very “free range” with his posting, reminded me of the times I’ve seen him play town.
Idk that I actually have more meta—I’ve seen one and a half town games I think, so. It isn’t a read I’d lock in, but for D1 it’s good enough imoM Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:12 pmI'll consider that you have more meta than I do. Is he more stilted as scum then?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:11 pm He seemed very “free range” with his posting, reminded me of the times I’ve seen him play town.
That's fair. I'm just running out of people sort of... I may have to re-expand my POE, but the "give X another day" folks I'd feel bad about considering at this point.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:16 pmIdk that I actually have more meta—I’ve seen one and a half town games I think, so. It isn’t a read I’d lock in, but for D1 it’s good enough imoM Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:12 pmI'll consider that you have more meta than I do. Is he more stilted as scum then?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:11 pm He seemed very “free range” with his posting, reminded me of the times I’ve seen him play town.
You mean "Why would I desire to prevent Dizzy from winning?" I'm assuming if we attempt to lynch Dizzy if they are 3p they can no longer win. If they can win along side civ, why would I not preffer that?112 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:56 amI don't understand your first question. I don't think all posts have to be read with intention behind them, and I don't think there was any intention readily discernible from that post. Sometimes scum are just trying to fill in their posts/up their involvement without doing anything additional to that.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:49 amInteresting as this does derive from a true conflict. Why would I desire to prevent Dizzy from winning vs clearing all variables necessary for victory.
Why would you say you hate my post instead of being upfront about the perceived fake emotion?
And I like gauging responses. Your Santa Clause post read the same way as the first one to me. Now I have two artificial-feeling posts to read.
In the beginning Sloonei was posting, throwing out thoughts and prods just like I'm accustomed to with civ Sloonei. His comment about me bothered me a little not because he suspected me but because of the reasons. As you pointed out I felt he should have known better. But, Sloonei is a power player and I couldn't see voting to lynch him over that.Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:40 amSame question as above.juliets wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:23 pmReplace me with nanook and the same players are off the table for me. I'll also throw in Dizzy.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:30 pm Juliets/nova/112 are off the table for me, Epi and sloonei probably too. Probably scirrus too actually.
Someone sell me on a vote outside that group please, I don’t want to do more work
I figure most people are working though and may not be able to post during the day so I'll wait and see who brings what to the party tonight. I guess for MP though it will be tomorrow (based on his earlier post).
The issue in not lynching Dys is that we don't know what his wincon is. That's the problem whenever someone claims 3P: they can lie about what they need to do to win, and so I don't think it's intelligent to wait until endgame to sort them. He might only be able to solo-victory.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:45 pmYou mean "Why would I desire to prevent Dizzy from winning?" I'm assuming if we attempt to lynch Dizzy if they are 3p they can no longer win. If they can win along side civ, why would I not preffer that?112 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:56 amI don't understand your first question. I don't think all posts have to be read with intention behind them, and I don't think there was any intention readily discernible from that post. Sometimes scum are just trying to fill in their posts/up their involvement without doing anything additional to that.
And I like gauging responses. Your Santa Clause post read the same way as the first one to me. Now I have two artificial-feeling posts to read.
This is in contrast to what would be clearing all variables. Does the conflict make sense now?
Also this is fair. I'm believing that you are genuine here but incorrect.
But Jack's game is not going yet so he's not yet hosting unless he's hosting somewhere else or I'm mistaken. What was the "jack attack" that happened in Corrupt that might have changed his play style? I don't have a firm opinion on him yet but it does seem odd that he's not posting more.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:53 amNot excusing him, but there's a world where jack hosting the jack of jacking off has him jacking around too much to post today and there's also the jack attack that happened in corrupt that may have jack jack back from the lines of attack that we normally see as whack.juliets wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 1:32 pmIn most of the games I have played with him he is not a low poster though I seem to recall sometimes he doesn't go all out right at the beginning. I would not say high posting is AI for him - my memory is he was posting up a storm to keep me from suspecting him leading up to our F3 with Lexi in Inception where he was bad and he also posts a lot as town.
I agree.112 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:49 pm The issue in not lynching Dys is that we don't know what his wincon is. That's the problem whenever someone claims 3P: they can lie about what they need to do to win, and so I don't think it's intelligent to wait until endgame to sort them. He might only be able to solo-victory.
Thanks Wilgy, I'll try to be patient in that case.
Yes, that helps me understand what you're thinking, thank you. My only question is what does "nbd" mean?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:03 amYou are good.
112 is good but I'm not as sure as I'm not used to them.
Sloonei is likely bad and in contrast Epi is likely good.
I'm open to Dad being added to my list of nicknames.
Jack being mia is nbd for the moment.
Nanook is somewhat sketchy.
I'm not going to pretend that I can ever read LC.
Does this satisfy you Jules or do you have any questions. Do my thoughts raise any questions?
Linki: M Plus 7 probably Nanook.
I didn't know if he was doing something behind the scenes or anything. Just recalled that I had signed up to jack off not too long ago.juliets wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:54 pmBut Jack's game is not going yet so he's not yet hosting unless he's hosting somewhere else or I'm mistaken. What was the "jack attack" that happened in Corrupt that might have changed his play style? I don't have a firm opinion on him yet but it does seem odd that he's not posting more.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:53 amNot excusing him, but there's a world where jack hosting the jack of jacking off has him jacking around too much to post today and there's also the jack attack that happened in corrupt that may have jack jack back from the lines of attack that we normally see as whack.juliets wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 1:32 pmIn most of the games I have played with him he is not a low poster though I seem to recall sometimes he doesn't go all out right at the beginning. I would not say high posting is AI for him - my memory is he was posting up a storm to keep me from suspecting him leading up to our F3 with Lexi in Inception where he was bad and he also posts a lot as town.
no big deal.juliets wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:58 pmYes, that helps me understand what you're thinking, thank you. My only question is what does "nbd" mean?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:03 amYou are good.
112 is good but I'm not as sure as I'm not used to them.
Sloonei is likely bad and in contrast Epi is likely good.
I'm open to Dad being added to my list of nicknames.
Jack being mia is nbd for the moment.
Nanook is somewhat sketchy.
I'm not going to pretend that I can ever read LC.
Does this satisfy you Jules or do you have any questions. Do my thoughts raise any questions?
Linki: M Plus 7 probably Nanook.
I don't understand, what's the scum strategy I'm employing exactly?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:48 pm MP, I'm starting to dislike your lines here.
I feel that you are drawing and encouraging lines of agreement and suspicion that aren't necessarily your own, but more so assist a narrative that is in your favor. I.e. you leave me in the null stating you don't know how you feel but at the same time leaving me at would lynch.
Your LC vote also piggy backing off Nanook.
Essentially, and it sounds strange but I don't think scum Mac would just keep popping in here to openly sheep someone. It's a weak take, but I think if he rolled scum even with other obligations he would try to come up with his own reads more. Town Mac is more extreme, either full on or sheeping like here.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:23 pmYeh, my list is similar
Curious why mac is so high on yours, is it just because he’s Mac or...?
Not sure if there's a term for it, but the encouragement of genuine town thoughts that give a scum benefit.M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:03 pmI don't understand, what's the scum strategy I'm employing exactly?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:48 pm MP, I'm starting to dislike your lines here.
I feel that you are drawing and encouraging lines of agreement and suspicion that aren't necessarily your own, but more so assist a narrative that is in your favor. I.e. you leave me in the null stating you don't know how you feel but at the same time leaving me at would lynch.
Your LC vote also piggy backing off Nanook.