Re: GAME OF CHAMPIONS 2021
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:06 pm
Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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Guilty conscience. Alison's point about your 3p post. Not what you are referring toCreature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:01 pmWell you think the guilty thing was a slam dunk and I just showed my townie mindset behind hoping it to be true even if just for lols and gigglesnutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:59 pmIt's a bad post and not even defending the point I was emphasizing112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:55 pmWhy not?nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:54 pmThis isn't helping youCreature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:50 pmThe guilty was like half-serious. It was the best thing to push on at the time. It was that or wait for a magical case on someone.
I kinda like thisPaopan wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:20 pm Notice from everyone!
Kindly listen... so
I'm gonna play bad when being scum read
It would hinder me to give the town some info
So let's just play some game and stop the music
If you try to buddy me, I graciously accept
I am spreading love, but also wanting to become a hero
Let's have fun y'all and don't lynch me I have soo many things I can offer
i'm actually going to get into the game at my own pace and play it how i doSeanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:04 pmI mean, I am a little wary of pushing a dude who might have a concussion right now, so I did kinda treat him with kids gloves on the first part of the post.112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:59 pmi feel like you don't really believe in the aura of this post and are going after tony just because you can?
I am also going after Tony just because I can though. His post feels fake, and going after him about it will make him do AI things.
If you really scum read me, you're going to have to do better than stating reads without reasons and subtle shade on my posts. Come at me. I'm much better at telling alignments when people hardpush me, so I encourage you to bring it if you believe it.
have you played with Alison before? Her entire thing is thread control. When she's town she's, in my opinion, terrifying to wolf against and your best bet is to go for a 1-2 day pocket and then NK her before she wrecks you. When she's a wolf she wants thread control but a thread this large and this busy she's not going to get there this early.112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:47 pmI think it's way too early to write such a monster of a post--if you have so much to write against him/his slot right now, it's probably coming from a place of wolfy over-eagerness to project town or otherwise control the game.Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:44 pmAre the other parts of my case NAI for him, too?c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:39 pmThis is extremely NAI for CreatureAlison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:37 pm At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.
Ah I thought you were talking about the alexa thingnutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:07 pmGuilty conscience. Alison's point about your 3p post. Not what you are referring toCreature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:01 pmWell you think the guilty thing was a slam dunk and I just showed my townie mindset behind hoping it to be true even if just for lols and gigglesnutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:59 pmIt's a bad post and not even defending the point I was emphasizing
Ctrl Z thatalexa wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:10 pm i liked guillotine's opening but the one thing that did ping me was him saying that he expected better of my play/i don't make those kinds of mistakes as it's just ???? objectively false and i thought he got better with my meta. so yeah maybe that + waza's read, i would drop him from my previous towncore rn.
YikesAlison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:06 pmI have a scummy role but town. I actually had to clarify whether I was town or lost wolf with Nanook.alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:32 pmok soGuillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:31 pmWhy not? She is not town as you claim.alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:30 pmdon't kill her yetGuillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:28 pmDo you hard claim this? If you do I have the means to kill her now.alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:27 pmi'm not 3P hunting, i'm simply stating that i have a check on nutella that states she isn't townGuillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:25 pm
why are you 3P hunting? 3P and Mafia are both scum and must die, what's the difference?
The difference is that they might more of a threat to scum than to us.
Right Alexa?
essentially i have info on her role and it's not a town role (i didn't think)
but her reaction to this is kind of towny so i'm not sure
there is a wolf captain. Said captain could choose Roles or choose Players.ilario wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:54 pmWhat? How’s this work? Did wolves get to choose their team? Or just a few playersnutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:23 pmnobody would choose me as a wolf lmaoMaster Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:20 pm For real though, alexa and nutella are doing nothing to dissuade my pre-game assumption that all or most of alexa/nutella/mac/alison are chosen wolves.
Let's get chopping.
Eh... kinda feels like your shade might just be shade then.112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:08 pmi'm actually going to get into the game at my own pace and play it how i doSeanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:04 pmI mean, I am a little wary of pushing a dude who might have a concussion right now, so I did kinda treat him with kids gloves on the first part of the post.112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:59 pmi feel like you don't really believe in the aura of this post and are going after tony just because you can?
I am also going after Tony just because I can though. His post feels fake, and going after him about it will make him do AI things.
If you really scum read me, you're going to have to do better than stating reads without reasons and subtle shade on my posts. Come at me. I'm much better at telling alignments when people hardpush me, so I encourage you to bring it if you believe it.
i will come back to you repeatedly throughout the game and share more for reasons, bases and axioms later in all probability
tbh though when people are insisting on going through mafia games all logico-philosophicus, things can pretty quickly turn into nonsense.
Guillermo 3p confirmedGuillotine wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:10 pm I got the best role in this motherfucking planet, I'm gonna destroy so many wolves with it. I finally can get shit done on my own!
I did not sign up for theoretical physics 601, hk. you're going to have to break this down for me.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:13 pmthere is a wolf captain. Said captain could choose Roles or choose Players.ilario wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:54 pmWhat? How’s this work? Did wolves get to choose their team? Or just a few playersnutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:23 pmnobody would choose me as a wolf lmaoMaster Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:20 pm For real though, alexa and nutella are doing nothing to dissuade my pre-game assumption that all or most of alexa/nutella/mac/alison are chosen wolves.
Let's get chopping.
If they choose roles their team would be built through randomized like teams normally are, but then they could pick among a set of roles for themselves.
If the choose Players they get to draft from the player list their pack but their roles would be assigned randomly.
This is why some people are making posts like "if the wolf captain picked players I can't be a wolf"
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:03 pmYup. Also you're town.c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:23 pm The fact that Creature can only bring himself to talk about one thing so far is wolfy.
The fact that he's clearly beenfollowing along live for a reasonable amount of time given how quickly he voted nut makes it wolfier.
The fact that it's a piece of mechanical information also makes it wolfier.
The fact that it's an obviously fake redcheck also makes it wolfier.
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:03 pmTownie mindset.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:20 pm For real though, alexa and nutella are doing nothing to dissuade my pre-game assumption that all or most of alexa/nutella/mac/alison are chosen wolves.
Let's get chopping.
Atleast alison likes similar posts to me
seanzie trying to make me doubt my belief in my own readSeanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:13 pmEh... kinda feels like your shade might just be shade then.112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:08 pmi'm actually going to get into the game at my own pace and play it how i doSeanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:04 pmI mean, I am a little wary of pushing a dude who might have a concussion right now, so I did kinda treat him with kids gloves on the first part of the post.112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:59 pmi feel like you don't really believe in the aura of this post and are going after tony just because you can?
I am also going after Tony just because I can though. His post feels fake, and going after him about it will make him do AI things.
If you really scum read me, you're going to have to do better than stating reads without reasons and subtle shade on my posts. Come at me. I'm much better at telling alignments when people hardpush me, so I encourage you to bring it if you believe it.
i will come back to you repeatedly throughout the game and share more for reasons, bases and axioms later in all probability
tbh though when people are insisting on going through mafia games all logico-philosophicus, things can pretty quickly turn into nonsense.
@ me when you actually have something that will make me think things about you.
I didn't want to rip the post to pieces, I skipped doing that. It was only after being pushed to did I rip it to pieces with my logico-poilosophicus-i-ness.
Are you suggesting that you've hard pushed me?
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:18 pm Scotty's entrance not looking good. Not so great takes so far.
Not really, no. But that matters not if you think Neeko was hard pushing you.Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:18 pmAre you suggesting that you've hard pushed me?
Also, I don't just immediately change my reads. I don't really understand why everyone expects people to have immediately perfect reads. Reads are a process, and I personally read people best by throwing shit around in the thread for a while and seeing what sticks. Part of that shit throwing is voicing reads that either I don't fully believe in or that I believe in in a much weaker way than I let the thread feel I believe in them, because confident reads get people to do more AI things than weak reads. If you're town and you TRULY suspect me, then make a case on me. If I feel like your case is coming from town, I'll let you know. Possibly after calling you wolf like 4 times while you make the case to see how you react to it.
if this is what you do, why do you expect me to write a thesis before wetting my feet in scumleaning you??Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:18 pmAre you suggesting that you've hard pushed me?
Also, I don't just immediately change my reads. I don't really understand why everyone expects people to have immediately perfect reads. Reads are a process, and I personally read people best by throwing shit around in the thread for a while and seeing what sticks. Part of that shit throwing is voicing reads that either I don't fully believe in or that I believe in in a much weaker way than I let the thread feel I believe in them, because confident reads get people to do more AI things than weak reads. If you're town and you TRULY suspect me, then make a case on me. If I feel like your case is coming from town, I'll let you know. Possibly after calling you wolf like 4 times while you make the case to see how you react to it.
No, I'm trying to see if you actually believe your own read.112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:16 pmseanzie trying to make me doubt my belief in my own readSeanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:13 pmEh... kinda feels like your shade might just be shade then.112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:08 pmi'm actually going to get into the game at my own pace and play it how i doSeanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:04 pmI mean, I am a little wary of pushing a dude who might have a concussion right now, so I did kinda treat him with kids gloves on the first part of the post.112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:59 pmi feel like you don't really believe in the aura of this post and are going after tony just because you can?
I am also going after Tony just because I can though. His post feels fake, and going after him about it will make him do AI things.
If you really scum read me, you're going to have to do better than stating reads without reasons and subtle shade on my posts. Come at me. I'm much better at telling alignments when people hardpush me, so I encourage you to bring it if you believe it.
i will come back to you repeatedly throughout the game and share more for reasons, bases and axioms later in all probability
tbh though when people are insisting on going through mafia games all logico-philosophicus, things can pretty quickly turn into nonsense.
@ me when you actually have something that will make me think things about you.
I didn't want to rip the post to pieces, I skipped doing that. It was only after being pushed to did I rip it to pieces with my logico-poilosophicus-i-ness.
high-level play, let's see if it works out
Because if you write a thesis, I'll be able to read you.112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:20 pmif this is what you do, why do you expect me to write a thesis before wetting my feet in scumleaning you??Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:18 pmAre you suggesting that you've hard pushed me?
Also, I don't just immediately change my reads. I don't really understand why everyone expects people to have immediately perfect reads. Reads are a process, and I personally read people best by throwing shit around in the thread for a while and seeing what sticks. Part of that shit throwing is voicing reads that either I don't fully believe in or that I believe in in a much weaker way than I let the thread feel I believe in them, because confident reads get people to do more AI things than weak reads. If you're town and you TRULY suspect me, then make a case on me. If I feel like your case is coming from town, I'll let you know. Possibly after calling you wolf like 4 times while you make the case to see how you react to it.
Not sure what that means for nutella. Would be a shame if those townreads come from the assumption I'm wolf
i assure you i am not lying when i say you are one of my top picks for scum right nowSeanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:20 pmNo, I'm trying to see if you actually believe your own read.112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:16 pmseanzie trying to make me doubt my belief in my own readSeanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:13 pmEh... kinda feels like your shade might just be shade then.112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:08 pmi'm actually going to get into the game at my own pace and play it how i doSeanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:04 pmI mean, I am a little wary of pushing a dude who might have a concussion right now, so I did kinda treat him with kids gloves on the first part of the post.
I am also going after Tony just because I can though. His post feels fake, and going after him about it will make him do AI things.
If you really scum read me, you're going to have to do better than stating reads without reasons and subtle shade on my posts. Come at me. I'm much better at telling alignments when people hardpush me, so I encourage you to bring it if you believe it.
i will come back to you repeatedly throughout the game and share more for reasons, bases and axioms later in all probability
tbh though when people are insisting on going through mafia games all logico-philosophicus, things can pretty quickly turn into nonsense.
@ me when you actually have something that will make me think things about you.
I didn't want to rip the post to pieces, I skipped doing that. It was only after being pushed to did I rip it to pieces with my logico-poilosophicus-i-ness.
high-level play, let's see if it works out
bruh it's the setup. Either mafia captain picked their pack or mafia captain picked their packs roles, but they cannot pick both.112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:15 pmI did not sign up for theoretical physics 601, hk. you're going to have to break this down for me.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:13 pmthere is a wolf captain. Said captain could choose Roles or choose Players.ilario wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:54 pmWhat? How’s this work? Did wolves get to choose their team? Or just a few playersnutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:23 pmnobody would choose me as a wolf lmaoMaster Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:20 pm For real though, alexa and nutella are doing nothing to dissuade my pre-game assumption that all or most of alexa/nutella/mac/alison are chosen wolves.
Let's get chopping.
If they choose roles their team would be built through randomized like teams normally are, but then they could pick among a set of roles for themselves.
If the choose Players they get to draft from the player list their pack but their roles would be assigned randomly.
This is why some people are making posts like "if the wolf captain picked players I can't be a wolf"
Damn, alison reallt is ticking all the checkboxes of how I would be playing as scum.Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:37 pm Here is my case on Creature.
All of Creature's posts so far can be divided into one of three categories: useless fluff, attempting to derpclear himself for silly reasons, and "flame fanning".
Category 1: Useless FluffThese posts go beyond the usual RVS horsing around (although we are well out of RVS now). These are posts that show a clear lack of interest in the progression of the game. His questions are flat, shallow, and in many cases could have been easily answered by glancing at the OP. He is more interested in looking like he is around and engaging with the game than actually being around and engaging with the game. He had a ripe opportunity to engage with me about my push on him, and he responded by going "I'm not mafia, I'm annoyed now, go away". I don't get the sense that he cares whether or not I am town misreading him or scum trying to get him killed, and this is especially concerning because in my last scum game I tried to get him killed early on.Spoiler: show
I believe him when he says he is low energy. Take note that being low energy and unable to meaningfully engage with the game is a classic Creature scumtell.
Category 2: Attempting to derpclear himself for silly reasons
Creature makes an excessive number of posts attempting to insinuate that he is town, or in some way get people to "angleshoot" him as being town due to his lack of knowledge about the game mechanics or the inner workings of the mafia ("is there a soup kill?"). But a town Creature who genuinely wanted to know would just check the OP; asking in thread serves no purpose except to try to get people to falsely read him as town. He is aware that he struggles to gain the trust of the town when he is mafia, and he is cheaply attempting to earn this towncred through derptells and "townslips".Spoiler: show
Take note that he is trying to convince the game repeatedly that the mafia captain chose players rather than roles. If he is town, he has no reason to believe that the mafia captain chose players over roles. I, personally, have reason to believe that the mafia captain chose roles. I think nutella is much townier than her scum self would be, and as I have argued, a town nutella implies a town Alexa. I know I am town, and I do not think a mafia captain who picked players would pass over both me and Alexa. So this attempt to convince the town - with no evidence whatsoever - that the mafia captain picked players reeks of agenda-pushing to me.
Finally, I want to highlight this line: "Unless you want to argue that I'm 3p here? But would be better to seek for the seven mafia first." Nobody has accused him of being 3P. It comes completely out of the blue, and reads almost as though he is self-aware of his own scumminess and is trying to hang a lampshade of it. I don't think it's a line that would flow naturally from a townie's mouth.
Category 3: Flame FanningLinearPoint has been accused of fanning the flames. I think Creature is even more guilty of this sin. In his ISO of 19 posts (at the time I wrote this case), Creature utters provocative lines, egging on the suspicions of townies towards each other, three separate times. They are quoted in the spoilers above. Note that he first eggs on the "Alexa has a red check on nutella" narrative, then switches to "Alexa and nutella are wolves together". These narratives are contradictory. Creature does not have an opinion of his own; he just encourages whatever happens to be the prevailing opinion or thread sentiment at the time. This is strongly opportunistic, and this opportunism is exemplified even further by his agreement with 112 that Seanzie is wolfing. How is Seanzie being wolfy? Why has he not brought up this scumread on Seanzie before, if he thought he was the only one seeing it? In fact, if he thinks Seanzie is a wolf and fooling everyone except him, why would he keep quiet about it until someone else brings it up, at which point he eagerly jumps on the bandwagon? Answer: because he is nakedly taking advantage of 112's suspicion to push Seanzie.Spoiler: show
At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.
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Please vote Creature.
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:23 pmbruh it's the setup. Either mafia captain picked their pack or mafia captain picked their packs roles, but they cannot pick both.112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:15 pmI did not sign up for theoretical physics 601, hk. you're going to have to break this down for me.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:13 pmthere is a wolf captain. Said captain could choose Roles or choose Players.ilario wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:54 pmWhat? How’s this work? Did wolves get to choose their team? Or just a few playersnutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:23 pmnobody would choose me as a wolf lmaoMaster Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:20 pm For real though, alexa and nutella are doing nothing to dissuade my pre-game assumption that all or most of alexa/nutella/mac/alison are chosen wolves.
Let's get chopping.
If they choose roles their team would be built through randomized like teams normally are, but then they could pick among a set of roles for themselves.
If the choose Players they get to draft from the player list their pack but their roles would be assigned randomly.
This is why some people are making posts like "if the wolf captain picked players I can't be a wolf"
if roles were picked pack is randomized from the player list. if pack is picked roles are randomized.
nah
Nah
AhUrist wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:01 pmNot-so-fun fact about the English language, spoilered for the weak of heartLinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:58 pmXOR?Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:58 pmOr...LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:57 pmOr?Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:54 pmOr...LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:52 pm Seanzie is also probably bad. Neeko joking that Falcon and Seanzie being scum really struck a nerve with Seanzie apparently so it could very well turn out to be true.
Spoiler: show
Guess what?112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:21 pmi assure you i am not lying when i say you are one of my top picks for scum right nowSeanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:20 pmNo, I'm trying to see if you actually believe your own read.112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:16 pmseanzie trying to make me doubt my belief in my own readSeanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:13 pmEh... kinda feels like your shade might just be shade then.112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:08 pmi'm actually going to get into the game at my own pace and play it how i doSeanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:04 pmI mean, I am a little wary of pushing a dude who might have a concussion right now, so I did kinda treat him with kids gloves on the first part of the post.
I am also going after Tony just because I can though. His post feels fake, and going after him about it will make him do AI things.
If you really scum read me, you're going to have to do better than stating reads without reasons and subtle shade on my posts. Come at me. I'm much better at telling alignments when people hardpush me, so I encourage you to bring it if you believe it.
i will come back to you repeatedly throughout the game and share more for reasons, bases and axioms later in all probability
tbh though when people are insisting on going through mafia games all logico-philosophicus, things can pretty quickly turn into nonsense.
@ me when you actually have something that will make me think things about you.
I didn't want to rip the post to pieces, I skipped doing that. It was only after being pushed to did I rip it to pieces with my logico-poilosophicus-i-ness.
high-level play, let's see if it works out![]()