The Syndicate

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 10:34 pm I agree that Elohcin looks suspicious with her role claim. If she's lying, we lynch a potential baddie. If not, then we have a no-lynch. The outcome isn't too bad either way.

[VOTE: Elohcin] aubergine

If she isn't lying, what does that mean in the grand scheme of things?

GTH: Lunalee is scum.

Let's see who Luna's teammates would be.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 9:58 am funny how Colin has made a rainbow and places nutella in a category above me, yet voiced plenty of suspicion towards her and still hasn't made that case against her. actually it's not funny. Lizzy has her unamused face on.

I haven’t had time to ISO anybody and I have cooled on nutella a little. I think I may have been tunneling. I am getting a little confused frankly by all these elaborate theories people are throwing around between you, Eloh, nutella, sometimes me, etc. On the other hand, I just really simply don’t have a reason to townread you — I don’t think I believe you believe your case against me also — and that is HELLA concerning to me at this point. So you got downgraded pretty hard.

I believe my case against you just fine.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 9:53 am

Gollum wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 9:50 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 9:47 am

Gollum wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 9:45 amWhat's turnips, precious?

Give Smeagol back his precious. It belongs to us. It chose us.

we can share it bby

u & me

We don'ts like to share the precious. We wants it for ourselves.

Give it to us!

Smeagol wants to be good. He hears voices that tells him to do bad things. The voices tells us to smash your head with a rock and takes the precious.

the only person I am willing to reconsider my stance on is nutella, and only because I don't believe the hostility in her posts towards me would come from a baddie nutella. I'm naive like that.

but Colin and Eloh are locked scum.

Scotty too.

and now I'm thinking Lunalee. hmm.

I think we are getting ahead of ourselves as a collective and making too many “if x then y” teammate forecasting claims. We have two confirmed scum off the board. I’m fine with the Eloh wagon, but until we know what happens there, can anybody substantiate a case based on the scum’s interactions with other players, and not rust and stardust?

I really didn’t think I was good enough at this game for dunya to want to barrel down on me so hard when I’m town, so I gotta say, I’m flattered.

There were 3 kills on N1, and only 1 on N2 (excluding the 2 mod-kills)

Wolbre04 - Sexy Nicolas Cage in a Banana - Civ - Killed Night 1
Quin - A Salad Roll - Civ - Killed Night 1
Marmot - El Capitan - Indie - Killed Night 1

Golden - A Functional Constitutional Democracy - Civilian - Killed Night 2

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention], who are you claiming to have vigged on N1? Wolbre and....?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:10 am I really didn’t think I was good enough at this game for dunya to want to barrel down on me so hard when I’m town, so I gotta say, I’m flattered.

That's how I feel when Jay tunnels a civ dunya. It gets old real fast though and pretty soon you're going to want to rip my eyeballs out of their sockets (if you're town) (actually, also if you're scum).

Hit me with your best shot, pal.

My intuition tells me Zeph is genuine. I feel like he came in here and made an effort instead of hopping on a bandwagon. I credit him for that.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:14 am Hit me with your best shot, pal.

you're scum reading me and saying I don't believe in your case, and that's your greatest concern.

With 2 scum teams, what motive do I have to fabricate a case instead of actually scum hunting for the other scum?

Zephy looks suspicious to me tbh :-/

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:18 am Zephy looks suspicious to me tbh :-/

what does INH look like to you?

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dunya wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:17 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:14 am Hit me with your best shot, pal.

you're scum reading me and saying I don't believe in your case, and that's your greatest concern.

With 2 scum teams, what motive do I have to fabricate a case instead of actually scum hunting for the other scum?

Whether you townread me or scumread me, at some point I gotta go. So if you see a means of doing that, it’d be strange not to.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:20 am

dunya wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:17 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:14 am Hit me with your best shot, pal.

you're scum reading me and saying I don't believe in your case, and that's your greatest concern.

With 2 scum teams, what motive do I have to fabricate a case instead of actually scum hunting for the other scum?

Whether you townread me or scumread me, at some point I gotta go. So if you see a means of doing that, it’d be strange not to.

say what

dunya wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:19 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:18 am Zephy looks suspicious to me tbh :-/

what does INH look like to you?

Both of ‘em suspicious as all heck.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:21 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:20 am

dunya wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:17 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:14 am Hit me with your best shot, pal.

you're scum reading me and saying I don't believe in your case, and that's your greatest concern.

With 2 scum teams, what motive do I have to fabricate a case instead of actually scum hunting for the other scum?

Whether you townread me or scumread me, at some point I gotta go. So if you see a means of doing that, it’d be strange not to.

say what

If you are scum and you survive long enough, at some point you’ll have to fabricate a case against a townie. Why should a second scumteam stop you from doing that now?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:22 am

dunya wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:21 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:20 am

dunya wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:17 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:14 am Hit me with your best shot, pal.

you're scum reading me and saying I don't believe in your case, and that's your greatest concern.

With 2 scum teams, what motive do I have to fabricate a case instead of actually scum hunting for the other scum?

Whether you townread me or scumread me, at some point I gotta go. So if you see a means of doing that, it’d be strange not to.

say what

If you are scum and you survive long enough, at some point you’ll have to fabricate a case against a townie. Why should a second scumteam stop you from doing that now?

I've scum read you from Day 1. I believe I was the first. Why would I possibly do that if I didn't actually believe you're bad when I have plenty of 3ps and scum to hunt for? What threat were you to me?

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I figure if he read wolbre and Lilefer correctly, he's gonna get one wrong. No one's perfect.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:24 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:22 am

dunya wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:21 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:20 am

dunya wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:17 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:14 am Hit me with your best shot, pal.

you're scum reading me and saying I don't believe in your case, and that's your greatest concern.

With 2 scum teams, what motive do I have to fabricate a case instead of actually scum hunting for the other scum?

Whether you townread me or scumread me, at some point I gotta go. So if you see a means of doing that, it’d be strange not to.

say what

If you are scum and you survive long enough, at some point you’ll have to fabricate a case against a townie. Why should a second scumteam stop you from doing that now?

I've scum read you from Day 1. I believe I was the first. Why would I possibly do that if I didn't actually believe you're bad when I have plenty of 3ps and scum to hunt for? What threat were you to me?

I mean, man, your reason just now seems fabricated as hell and your motive is that I've been on your case since day 1 and you want to get rid of me.

"if you are scum"
"survive long enough"
"at some point"

and then, why not do it now? didn't you just answer your own question. I don't need to do it now; if I was scum, I'd be genuinely scum hunting so that I look as townie as hell. why on earth would I choose to lynch people who I think are town and gonna flip town. How is that in anyway beneficial? further, and this is the most alarming, is that you think I'm set on reading you as "town" and choosing to fabricate everything. How would I know for certain you're town? How would me tunneling a townie and getting a townie lynched be beneficial to me as scum?

keep digging that hole deeper.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:24 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:22 am

dunya wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:21 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:20 am

dunya wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:17 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:14 am Hit me with your best shot, pal.

you're scum reading me and saying I don't believe in your case, and that's your greatest concern.

With 2 scum teams, what motive do I have to fabricate a case instead of actually scum hunting for the other scum?

Whether you townread me or scumread me, at some point I gotta go. So if you see a means of doing that, it’d be strange not to.

say what

If you are scum and you survive long enough, at some point you’ll have to fabricate a case against a townie. Why should a second scumteam stop you from doing that now?

I've scum read you from Day 1. I believe I was the first. Why would I possibly do that if I didn't actually believe you're bad when I have plenty of 3ps and scum to hunt for? What threat were you to me?

You tell me, man.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:03 am On the other hand, I just really simply don’t have a reason to townread you — I don’t think I believe you believe your case against me also — and that is HELLA concerning to me at this point. So you got downgraded pretty hard.

this is your undoing. if there was any chance I could switch on you, it was before you made this post.

1. don't have a reason to townread me, but have a reason to townread everyone else above me? that made me lol.
2. I don't believe my case against you? in a game with plenty of 3ps and 2 scum teams, even if I were scum, that doesn't make sense.

I think you're bad. and even though it appears we are lynching Eloh today, I'm gonna make sure people lynch you tomorrow in case I die.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:01 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 10:34 pm I agree that Elohcin looks suspicious with her role claim. If she's lying, we lynch a potential baddie. If not, then we have a no-lynch. The outcome isn't too bad either way.

[VOTE: Elohcin] aubergine

If she isn't lying, what does that mean in the grand scheme of things?

If she's not lying about her role, then we can't lynch her, and today will end with a no-lynch. Is one day with a no-lynch okay in mafia?

As for the above post, I am not sure what you are hoping to accomplish by putting words I used in quotes. If you are scum and think I’m town you will want to get rid of me. If you are scum and think I’m scum you will want to get rid of me. It is as simple as that.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:40 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:03 am On the other hand, I just really simply don’t have a reason to townread you — I don’t think I believe you believe your case against me also — and that is HELLA concerning to me at this point. So you got downgraded pretty hard.

this is your undoing. if there was any chance I could switch on you, it was before you made this post.

1. don't have a reason to townread me, but have a reason to townread everyone else above me? that made me lol.
2. I don't believe my case against you? in a game with plenty of 3ps and 2 scum teams, even if I were scum, that doesn't make sense.

I think you're bad. and even though it appears we are lynching Eloh today, I'm gonna make sure people lynch you tomorrow in case I die.

Best of luck with that.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:40 am

dunya wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:01 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 10:34 pm I agree that Elohcin looks suspicious with her role claim. If she's lying, we lynch a potential baddie. If not, then we have a no-lynch. The outcome isn't too bad either way.

[VOTE: Elohcin] aubergine

If she isn't lying, what does that mean in the grand scheme of things?

If she's not lying about her role, then we can't lynch her, and today will end with a no-lynch. Is one day with a no-lynch okay in mafia?

I mean how do you read her. Imagine Eloh doesn't get lynched today. What's Lunalee's read on Eloh's alignment?

If anybody can make a strong claim for dunya being town I’d be happy to hear it, but I don’t think I’ve read one in the entire game. Isn’t that troubling?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:40 am As for the above post, I am not sure what you are hoping to accomplish by putting words I used in quotes. If you are scum and think I’m town you will want to get rid of me. If you are scum and think I’m scum you will want to get rid of me. It is as simple as that.

because you're contradicting yourself. In the first sentence you said if I were scum, as the game progressed, eventually I'd want to lynch you.

But if I were scum, why would I actively try to lynch you in a 31 player game, on day 1, if I didn't believe in your case?

Your reason for scumreading me is because you can't find a single reason to townread me (come on now), and because you believe I'm fabricating my case against you. I find both untrue.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:45 am If anybody can make a strong claim for dunya being town I’d be happy to hear it, but I don’t think I’ve read one in the entire game. Isn’t that troubling?

who's made a claim you're town?

now give me 1 reason per person why everyone ahead of me on your rainbow is townread by you.

I don’t see the contradiction. At some point could be Day 1, it could be Day 235.

I think it’s possible you did believe the case against me at some point, but considering that it gets worse as you add to it — I expect better from you than that as a townie, so I don’t buy it.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:47 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:45 am If anybody can make a strong claim for dunya being town I’d be happy to hear it, but I don’t think I’ve read one in the entire game. Isn’t that troubling?

who's made a claim you're town?

Cbob, Golden, Epi, Eloh, Turnip Head, a lot more.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:49 am

dunya wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:47 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:45 am If anybody can make a strong claim for dunya being town I’d be happy to hear it, but I don’t think I’ve read one in the entire game. Isn’t that troubling?

who's made a claim you're town?

Cbob, Golden, Epi, Eloh, Turnip Head, a lot more.

Eloh? you're voting for her and you think she's scum and you're using her in your list?

dunya wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:44 am

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Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:40 am

dunya wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:01 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 10:34 pm I agree that Elohcin looks suspicious with her role claim. If she's lying, we lynch a potential baddie. If not, then we have a no-lynch. The outcome isn't too bad either way.

[VOTE: Elohcin] aubergine

If she isn't lying, what does that mean in the grand scheme of things?

If she's not lying about her role, then we can't lynch her, and today will end with a no-lynch. Is one day with a no-lynch okay in mafia?

I mean how do you read her. Imagine Eloh doesn't get lynched today. What's Lunalee's read on Eloh's alignment?

I believe I've only played one game with Eloh (image mafia, and I don't think that counts). So I'm not sure of her "meta." BUT that aside, here's what her actions look like to me.

The first day people started voting for her she was all like "lynch me, I don't care," and suspicions eventually went elsewhere.

But this time, 5 votes popped on her at the beginning of the day, and it looks like she felt cornered, and had to throw out a reason why she shouldn't (or couldn't) be lynched. Her role claim is fishy to me.

AND if she couldn't be lynched, there's no reason she shouldn't have said so sooner.

I mean, it’s not like you lie about EVERYTHING in this game.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:52 am

dunya wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:44 am

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Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:40 am

dunya wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:01 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 10:34 pm I agree that Elohcin looks suspicious with her role claim. If she's lying, we lynch a potential baddie. If not, then we have a no-lynch. The outcome isn't too bad either way.

[VOTE: Elohcin] aubergine

If she isn't lying, what does that mean in the grand scheme of things?

If she's not lying about her role, then we can't lynch her, and today will end with a no-lynch. Is one day with a no-lynch okay in mafia?

I mean how do you read her. Imagine Eloh doesn't get lynched today. What's Lunalee's read on Eloh's alignment?

I believe I've only played one game with Eloh (image mafia, and I don't think that counts). So I'm not sure of her "meta." BUT that aside, here's what her actions look like to me.

The first day people started voting for her she was all like "lynch me, I don't care," and suspicions eventually went elsewhere.

But this time, 5 votes popped on her at the beginning of the day, and it looks like she felt cornered, and had to throw out a reason why she shouldn't (or couldn't) be lynched. Her role claim is fishy to me.

AND if she couldn't be lynched, there's no reason she shouldn't have said so sooner.

thanks for the reply. what about the accusation against her brought forth by Jay.

Jay redirected Eloh's actions to speedchuck. speedchuck, who is a strange target to be put into a coma, was put into a coma like me on Night 1.

does this accusation hold any weight with how you view Eloh regardless of whether the unlynchable part of her claim is true or not?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:52 am I mean, it’s not like you lie about EVERYTHING in this game.

that's true, virgos are bad liars. My younger brother is a virgo and he's my fav. couldn't lie to save his life tho.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:19 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:18 am Zephy looks suspicious to me tbh :-/

what does INH look like to you?

I would love for someone else to weigh in on me and dunya.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:47 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:45 am If anybody can make a strong claim for dunya being town I’d be happy to hear it, but I don’t think I’ve read one in the entire game. Isn’t that troubling?

who's made a claim you're town?

now give me 1 reason per person why everyone ahead of me on your rainbow is townread by you.

[mention]ColinIsCool[/mention]
Here's why I think dunya is town: If dunya started posting "so excited to be civ" every time she was civ, people would learn the pattern and notice when she didn't, so she would have to post the obligatory "so excited to be civ" every single game. But if she does it occasionally, when she's actually civ, it's believable. So has dunya posted this in every game? If not, she's probably actually civ this time.

Colin, you're supatowning in my eyes, so I'm giving you a long leash.

You may use said leash to engage in a licking battle with dunya/Lizzy if you so choose

(idk how to read her yet)

dunya wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:55 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:52 am

dunya wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:44 am

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Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:40 am

dunya wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:01 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 10:34 pm I agree that Elohcin looks suspicious with her role claim. If she's lying, we lynch a potential baddie. If not, then we have a no-lynch. The outcome isn't too bad either way.

[VOTE: Elohcin] aubergine

If she isn't lying, what does that mean in the grand scheme of things?

If she's not lying about her role, then we can't lynch her, and today will end with a no-lynch. Is one day with a no-lynch okay in mafia?

I mean how do you read her. Imagine Eloh doesn't get lynched today. What's Lunalee's read on Eloh's alignment?

I believe I've only played one game with Eloh (image mafia, and I don't think that counts). So I'm not sure of her "meta." BUT that aside, here's what her actions look like to me.

The first day people started voting for her she was all like "lynch me, I don't care," and suspicions eventually went elsewhere.

But this time, 5 votes popped on her at the beginning of the day, and it looks like she felt cornered, and had to throw out a reason why she shouldn't (or couldn't) be lynched. Her role claim is fishy to me.

AND if she couldn't be lynched, there's no reason she shouldn't have said so sooner.

thanks for the reply. what about the accusation against her brought forth by Jay.

Jay redirected Eloh's actions to speedchuck. speedchuck, who is a strange target to be put into a coma, was put into a coma like me on Night 1.

does this accusation hold any weight with how you view Eloh regardless of whether the unlynchable part of her claim is true or not?

I saw that too, and forgot to weigh in on it. It looks to me that Eloh is the one causing comas. If that's true it seems unlikely that she would also be unlynchable.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 11:00 am

dunya wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:47 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:45 am If anybody can make a strong claim for dunya being town I’d be happy to hear it, but I don’t think I’ve read one in the entire game. Isn’t that troubling?

who's made a claim you're town?

now give me 1 reason per person why everyone ahead of me on your rainbow is townread by you.

@ColinIsCool
Here's why I think dunya is town:

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dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 4:07 pm the thing is, I know what Jay is seeing, and I see the similarities between here now and my day 0 in FE, but he's wrong. because I do that in both alignments and I didn't do it for example in Ancient Greece... I am homebound and had a lot of time today. I'm excited to be civ again after three scum roles.

Golden is scum so I don't care what he agrees with. he's digging that hole deeper though.

and at least I caught the opportunistic scumella from this too so that's ok too.

jay will come around. or he'll have an egg on his face. i'm ok with both end scenarios.

If dunya started posting "so excited to be civ" every time she was civ, people would learn the pattern and notice when she didn't, so she would have to post the obligatory "so excited to be civ" every single game. But if she does it occasionally, when she's actually civ, it's believable. So has dunya posted this in every game? If not, she's probably actually civ this time.

I see the logic here, but I dunno. Pure WIFOM.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 11:00 am

dunya wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:47 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 10:45 am If anybody can make a strong claim for dunya being town I’d be happy to hear it, but I don’t think I’ve read one in the entire game. Isn’t that troubling?

who's made a claim you're town?

now give me 1 reason per person why everyone ahead of me on your rainbow is townread by you.

@ColinIsCool
Here's why I think dunya is town:

Spoiler: show

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 4:07 pm the thing is, I know what Jay is seeing, and I see the similarities between here now and my day 0 in FE, but he's wrong. because I do that in both alignments and I didn't do it for example in Ancient Greece... I am homebound and had a lot of time today. I'm excited to be civ again after three scum roles.

Golden is scum so I don't care what he agrees with. he's digging that hole deeper though.

and at least I caught the opportunistic scumella from this too so that's ok too.

jay will come around. or he'll have an egg on his face. i'm ok with both end scenarios.

If dunya started posting "so excited to be civ" every time she was civ, people would learn the pattern and notice when she didn't, so she would have to post the obligatory "so excited to be civ" every single game. But if she does it occasionally, when she's actually civ, it's believable. So has dunya posted this in every game? If not, she's probably actually civ this time.

when did you decide to townread me? I made that post ages ago on Day 0 I think. You've been unsure of me a while after that.

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Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 9:28 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 8:54 am

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri May 25, 2018 8:42 am Looks like you all have made up your minds. Now we sit and wait for 12 hours to see what happens. Muah-ha-ha.

Ew.

Reads please? But I'm pretty much taking it as confirmed you're town unfriendly at this point.

So why waste my time.

Because if you're not bad you'd still want town to win?

Also you're allegedly not going to die so why not keep playing?

Colonialbob is asking the same questions of Eloh that I am, and has his vote on Eloh. Yet dunya suspects not a thing. Why?