Re: King of the Hill Mafia
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:27 pm
Anyways, back to work, I'll try to be around later.
Ok "alison is town and everyone pushing her is being cliquey" or whatever
Ok "alison is town and everyone pushing her is being cliquey" or whatever
Link it again for mearogame123 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:20 pmThe thing that I am trying to understand is that if she believes you and I are different SPF, then there is still one mafia out there and with how Lily has focused on mainly me/SPF/Boq, that would always make Boq always mafia from her POV, so I am trying to understand who else she thinks the other mafia is if she has this dichotamy between SPF and I. I know I am town and I think SPF might be town mainly with the experiment I tried yesterday and noticing some similarity in language/tone in her posts.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:17 pm i would also like lily to explain why she perceives there to be a difference check between me/aro
Also @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME did you have any thoughts on the SPF post I was pointing out earlier in regards to their comparison with their language/tone from that post to their others?
You can't see me with anyone other than Lily?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:03 pm lily i'll be upfront in saying that i'm struggling to conceptualize a realistic view of the game that doesn't involve you being a wolf. in a world where both of us are town, who do you think the most likely team is? who are the maf in that world?
no, my immediate POE right now is actually lily/you/boq and if i'm misreading someone outside of those 3 names, im leaning on it being rondo. i don't see an immediate reason to dissociate you with any of those names but i admit that my memory of your interactions in this game are kind of fuzzySeanzie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:33 pmYou can't see me with anyone other than Lily?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:03 pm lily i'll be upfront in saying that i'm struggling to conceptualize a realistic view of the game that doesn't involve you being a wolf. in a world where both of us are town, who do you think the most likely team is? who are the maf in that world?
ok i deserved thatNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:32 pmOk "alison is town and everyone pushing her is being cliquey" or whatever
why was i voting him just before i swapped to u thenstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:36 pm lily it feels to me like you're scared to vote boq even though you can't conceptualize a world where boq isn't mafia. is that because ur his partner and ur scared to vote for him?
well if you're W/W with boq i imagine you probably wouldn't want him to go over today since it would be tough to endgame as a solo wolf in your position, so as maf u would probably be incentivized to try to keep him alive. it would explain why your treatment of boq is so fickle today tbh
i feel like ur reaching a tadstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:38 pmwell if you're W/W with boq i imagine you probably wouldn't want him to go over today since it would be tough to endgame as a solo wolf in your position, so as maf u would probably be incentivized to try to keep him alive. it would explain why your treatment of boq is so fickle today tbh
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOMEstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 3:13 am @arogame123 - okay so, i think my favorite concert experience was actually something that happened last month. basically, i grew up listening to this band called mewithoutYou - i've loved them since i was about 14 years old and they've played a huge role in shaping my taste in music and the way that i think about the world. it's actually difficult to describe how personally significant and impactful their music has been to me, and there are few pieces of art in this world that carry as much sentimental value as mewithoutYou's music does for me
so basically, last month mewithoutYou played their final two shows at the same venue before breaking up forever, and i had the opportunity to go to both of them. it was honestly one of the most special weekends i've had in a long time. i connected with a discord server full of other fans attending the concert who had been impacted by their music in the same way that i have, i got to hang out with some of them before/after the concert, and there was generally just a really nice feeling of community that came from taking part in that
and the concerts themselves were some of the most intense experiences i've had in my life, in a good way. it was just incredible to be in a room surrounded by people who had been touched by this music in the same way that i had, who knew every word to every song just like i did, and who were there to collectively celebrate something that was meaningful to all of us. the first night was so intense that i almost passed out mid-concert and on the second night, they played for almost 2 and a half hours and balloons came raining from the ceiling as they played the last song, and nearly everyone in the crowd (including the band themselves) was crying
i'm gonna stop here because i already feel like i've gone on too long and i could go on for a lot longer lol
i see so ur trying to put the blame on me when I flip Vstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:39 pmif you are V then i've tried to find common ground with u today but u arent helping yourself at all so w/e
nah if you're town and im voting for you incorrectly then it's totally my faultLilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:41 pmi see so ur trying to put the blame on me when I flip Vstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:39 pmif you are V then i've tried to find common ground with u today but u arent helping yourself at all so w/e
i've been very open to dialogue and talking the entire phase and we have and while i feel bad for voting for you i don't necessarily think you're a villager lol
like what dont u understand? i can try to clear it upstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:42 pmnah if you're town and im voting for you incorrectly then it's totally my faultLilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:41 pmi see so ur trying to put the blame on me when I flip Vstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:39 pmif you are V then i've tried to find common ground with u today but u arent helping yourself at all so w/e
i've been very open to dialogue and talking the entire phase and we have and while i feel bad for voting for you i don't necessarily think you're a villager lol
i just dont really understand your view of the game
well, you have consistently said that there's a wolf between me/aro, but now that i think aro is getting townier, i'm scared that you're trying to push an incorrect dichotomy and give yourself an excuse to tinfoil two strong villagers. your explanations for why you think there's a wolf between us haven't really made sense to me either - it seems like your view ultimately boils down to : "I Feel Like It", which is fine for a gut read, but it has had diminishing returns the more and more that you have pushed itLilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:42 pmlike what dont u understand? i can try to clear it upstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:42 pmnah if you're town and im voting for you incorrectly then it's totally my faultLilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:41 pmi see so ur trying to put the blame on me when I flip Vstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:39 pmif you are V then i've tried to find common ground with u today but u arent helping yourself at all so w/e
i've been very open to dialogue and talking the entire phase and we have and while i feel bad for voting for you i don't necessarily think you're a villager lol
i just dont really understand your view of the game
i mean i dont have the greatest most perfect view of the game but i can try to explain it
I've seen this post, I dont remember (possibly didn't see?) why you tr jt?arogame123 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:40 pm@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOMEstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 3:13 am @arogame123 - okay so, i think my favorite concert experience was actually something that happened last month. basically, i grew up listening to this band called mewithoutYou - i've loved them since i was about 14 years old and they've played a huge role in shaping my taste in music and the way that i think about the world. it's actually difficult to describe how personally significant and impactful their music has been to me, and there are few pieces of art in this world that carry as much sentimental value as mewithoutYou's music does for me
so basically, last month mewithoutYou played their final two shows at the same venue before breaking up forever, and i had the opportunity to go to both of them. it was honestly one of the most special weekends i've had in a long time. i connected with a discord server full of other fans attending the concert who had been impacted by their music in the same way that i have, i got to hang out with some of them before/after the concert, and there was generally just a really nice feeling of community that came from taking part in that
and the concerts themselves were some of the most intense experiences i've had in my life, in a good way. it was just incredible to be in a room surrounded by people who had been touched by this music in the same way that i had, who knew every word to every song just like i did, and who were there to collectively celebrate something that was meaningful to all of us. the first night was so intense that i almost passed out mid-concert and on the second night, they played for almost 2 and a half hours and balloons came raining from the ceiling as they played the last song, and nearly everyone in the crowd (including the band themselves) was crying
i'm gonna stop here because i already feel like i've gone on too long and i could go on for a lot longer lol
i have been tinfoiling aro the entire game but i am not really feeling it as much anymore after last night. i just think that if you aren't a wolf the poe is too small and imo aro is the only person left that I would consider not cleared in my world view. I don't think he's a wolf though atm.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:46 pmwell, you have consistently said that there's a wolf between me/aro, but now that i think aro is getting townier, i'm scared that you're trying to push an incorrect dichotomy and give yourself an excuse to tinfoil two strong villagers. your explanations for why you think there's a wolf between us haven't really made sense to me either - it seems like your view ultimately boils down to : "I Feel Like It", which is fine for a gut read, but it has had diminishing returns the more and more that you have pushed itLilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:42 pmlike what dont u understand? i can try to clear it upstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:42 pmnah if you're town and im voting for you incorrectly then it's totally my faultLilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:41 pmi see so ur trying to put the blame on me when I flip Vstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:39 pmif you are V then i've tried to find common ground with u today but u arent helping yourself at all so w/e
i've been very open to dialogue and talking the entire phase and we have and while i feel bad for voting for you i don't necessarily think you're a villager lol
i just dont really understand your view of the game
i mean i dont have the greatest most perfect view of the game but i can try to explain it
you are unable to conceive of a view of the game where boq is not mafia, but you have consistently refused to push on him or bring momentum against him today (and no, i don't count your earlier vote on him as a "push" since it was so limp i didn't even notice that you switched). you are choosing to hunt for who you perceive to be the Deep Wolf instead of pushing for someone who is nearly confirmed mafia from your point of view, and i don't understand why you would be doing that if you're town
your reasoning to scumread me also just feels straight up lazy, though i know that i'm speaking from a biased position. i sense no real conviction behind the way that ur pushing on me in spite of you saying it's the most convincted you have felt for the entire game. if youre town then i just dont understand where your head is at or what you're doing
It wasn't the post itself I tr. It was the idea of analyzing her tone and languaage used in that post and compare it with her other posts in the thread and see if there is a similarity between them. As I stated, I wanted to compare her posts with something she stated was "objectively true." And when doing that, I noticed some similarities in the language/tone used in that post with her others. So it made me feel conflicted and illustrated to me that SPF might be town.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:51 pmI've seen this post, I dont remember (possibly didn't see?) why you tr jt?arogame123 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:40 pm@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOMEstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 3:13 am @arogame123 - okay so, i think my favorite concert experience was actually something that happened last month. basically, i grew up listening to this band called mewithoutYou - i've loved them since i was about 14 years old and they've played a huge role in shaping my taste in music and the way that i think about the world. it's actually difficult to describe how personally significant and impactful their music has been to me, and there are few pieces of art in this world that carry as much sentimental value as mewithoutYou's music does for me
so basically, last month mewithoutYou played their final two shows at the same venue before breaking up forever, and i had the opportunity to go to both of them. it was honestly one of the most special weekends i've had in a long time. i connected with a discord server full of other fans attending the concert who had been impacted by their music in the same way that i have, i got to hang out with some of them before/after the concert, and there was generally just a really nice feeling of community that came from taking part in that
and the concerts themselves were some of the most intense experiences i've had in my life, in a good way. it was just incredible to be in a room surrounded by people who had been touched by this music in the same way that i had, who knew every word to every song just like i did, and who were there to collectively celebrate something that was meaningful to all of us. the first night was so intense that i almost passed out mid-concert and on the second night, they played for almost 2 and a half hours and balloons came raining from the ceiling as they played the last song, and nearly everyone in the crowd (including the band themselves) was crying
i'm gonna stop here because i already feel like i've gone on too long and i could go on for a lot longer lol
Lolarogame123 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:55 pmIt wasn't the post itself I tr. It was the idea of analyzing her tone and languaage used in that post and compare it with her other posts in the thread and see if there is a similarity between them. As I stated, I wanted to compare her posts with something she stated was "objectively true." And when doing that, I noticed some similarities in the language/tone used in that post with her others. So it made me feel conflicted and illustrated to me that SPF might be town.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:51 pmI've seen this post, I dont remember (possibly didn't see?) why you tr jt?arogame123 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:40 pm@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOMEstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 3:13 am @arogame123 - okay so, i think my favorite concert experience was actually something that happened last month. basically, i grew up listening to this band called mewithoutYou - i've loved them since i was about 14 years old and they've played a huge role in shaping my taste in music and the way that i think about the world. it's actually difficult to describe how personally significant and impactful their music has been to me, and there are few pieces of art in this world that carry as much sentimental value as mewithoutYou's music does for me
so basically, last month mewithoutYou played their final two shows at the same venue before breaking up forever, and i had the opportunity to go to both of them. it was honestly one of the most special weekends i've had in a long time. i connected with a discord server full of other fans attending the concert who had been impacted by their music in the same way that i have, i got to hang out with some of them before/after the concert, and there was generally just a really nice feeling of community that came from taking part in that
and the concerts themselves were some of the most intense experiences i've had in my life, in a good way. it was just incredible to be in a room surrounded by people who had been touched by this music in the same way that i had, who knew every word to every song just like i did, and who were there to collectively celebrate something that was meaningful to all of us. the first night was so intense that i almost passed out mid-concert and on the second night, they played for almost 2 and a half hours and balloons came raining from the ceiling as they played the last song, and nearly everyone in the crowd (including the band themselves) was crying
i'm gonna stop here because i already feel like i've gone on too long and i could go on for a lot longer lol
Yea, I mean, it's def a post that is a baseline for something that is the "truth" from her I would imagine and I don't believe she expected it either from her reaction. True a larger sample size and all that would help. But yea, it's what I noticed at least when comparing that post with some of her others.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:56 pmLolarogame123 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:55 pmIt wasn't the post itself I tr. It was the idea of analyzing her tone and languaage used in that post and compare it with her other posts in the thread and see if there is a similarity between them. As I stated, I wanted to compare her posts with something she stated was "objectively true." And when doing that, I noticed some similarities in the language/tone used in that post with her others. So it made me feel conflicted and illustrated to me that SPF might be town.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:51 pmI've seen this post, I dont remember (possibly didn't see?) why you tr jt?arogame123 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:40 pm@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOMEstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 3:13 am @arogame123 - okay so, i think my favorite concert experience was actually something that happened last month. basically, i grew up listening to this band called mewithoutYou - i've loved them since i was about 14 years old and they've played a huge role in shaping my taste in music and the way that i think about the world. it's actually difficult to describe how personally significant and impactful their music has been to me, and there are few pieces of art in this world that carry as much sentimental value as mewithoutYou's music does for me
so basically, last month mewithoutYou played their final two shows at the same venue before breaking up forever, and i had the opportunity to go to both of them. it was honestly one of the most special weekends i've had in a long time. i connected with a discord server full of other fans attending the concert who had been impacted by their music in the same way that i have, i got to hang out with some of them before/after the concert, and there was generally just a really nice feeling of community that came from taking part in that
and the concerts themselves were some of the most intense experiences i've had in my life, in a good way. it was just incredible to be in a room surrounded by people who had been touched by this music in the same way that i had, who knew every word to every song just like i did, and who were there to collectively celebrate something that was meaningful to all of us. the first night was so intense that i almost passed out mid-concert and on the second night, they played for almost 2 and a half hours and balloons came raining from the ceiling as they played the last song, and nearly everyone in the crowd (including the band themselves) was crying
i'm gonna stop here because i already feel like i've gone on too long and i could go on for a lot longer lol
I mean, you're onto something, but the sample you're using is kinda useless particularly without a baseline to work from/comparisons to other games etc
but this is my entire point! why are you OK with the boq wagon dying if you think that he is nearly confirmed mafia from your point of view? why aren't you doing anything to prevent the boq wagon from dying if he is nearly confirmed mafia from your worldview? it doesn't make any sense to me at all!Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:53 pmi have been tinfoiling aro the entire game but i am not really feeling it as much anymore after last night. i just think that if you aren't a wolf the poe is too small and imo aro is the only person left that I would consider not cleared in my world view. I don't think he's a wolf though atm.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:46 pmwell, you have consistently said that there's a wolf between me/aro, but now that i think aro is getting townier, i'm scared that you're trying to push an incorrect dichotomy and give yourself an excuse to tinfoil two strong villagers. your explanations for why you think there's a wolf between us haven't really made sense to me either - it seems like your view ultimately boils down to : "I Feel Like It", which is fine for a gut read, but it has had diminishing returns the more and more that you have pushed itLilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:42 pmlike what dont u understand? i can try to clear it upstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:42 pmnah if you're town and im voting for you incorrectly then it's totally my faultLilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:41 pmi see so ur trying to put the blame on me when I flip Vstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:39 pmif you are V then i've tried to find common ground with u today but u arent helping yourself at all so w/e
i've been very open to dialogue and talking the entire phase and we have and while i feel bad for voting for you i don't necessarily think you're a villager lol
i just dont really understand your view of the game
i mean i dont have the greatest most perfect view of the game but i can try to explain it
you are unable to conceive of a view of the game where boq is not mafia, but you have consistently refused to push on him or bring momentum against him today (and no, i don't count your earlier vote on him as a "push" since it was so limp i didn't even notice that you switched). you are choosing to hunt for who you perceive to be the Deep Wolf instead of pushing for someone who is nearly confirmed mafia from your point of view, and i don't understand why you would be doing that if you're town
your reasoning to scumread me also just feels straight up lazy, though i know that i'm speaking from a biased position. i sense no real conviction behind the way that ur pushing on me in spite of you saying it's the most convincted you have felt for the entire game. if youre town then i just dont understand where your head is at or what you're doing
what use is there pushing someone who isn't here to defend themselves? you are here, i am talking to you, and my vote has meaning in this moment to you obviously. the way I see it is that if eod is you vs me I want you to die because when you flip W I hopefully will be removed from the poe. Basically I think the boq wagon will die off before eod.
i don't really have anything to say about ur 3rd point though you're welcome to feel however you want lol
maybe i could be wrong abt boqstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 5:06 pm it's not even about getting other people to listen to you, it's pushing for the person who is confirmed mafia from your worldview to die, which you are consistently not doing
I kind of feel the same about you... specifically I feel like you've been floating the name Boq, but you clearly don't want to vote them.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:36 pm lily it feels to me like you're scared to vote boq even though you can't conceptualize a world where boq isn't mafia. is that because ur his partner and ur scared to vote for him?
i am probably willing to vote for boq today, i've just felt that my vote has been better placed elsewhere so far tbhSeanzie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 5:12 pmI kind of feel the same about you... specifically I feel like you've been floating the name Boq, but you clearly don't want to vote them.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:36 pm lily it feels to me like you're scared to vote boq even though you can't conceptualize a world where boq isn't mafia. is that because ur his partner and ur scared to vote for him?
It is interesting that i went from a strong town read for you to a vote tbh
Sure.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 2:32 pmAgain, the read isn't abnormal, it's the presentation of the read and confidence in it.Boquise wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 2:29 pmBecause you called it abnormal and I am being partly suspected because of that read tbh.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 1:46 pmWhy? I never implied that the Seanzie read was wrong. I trust you on that one in spite of that having nothing to do with your alignmentBoquise wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 1:01 pmI will demand vindication if it is revealed that my read on Seanzie is correct tbhDrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 12:09 pmBoq I'd say is still the 3rd yeetable.
Their reads seem to be very off base and they've done things that I can see coming from a W mindset. HOWEVER, during my spat with them they ended up seeming like a frustrated townie as opposed to a caught wolf.
Like, I still want BoQ yeeted for the oddities I observed, but it's nith the priority.
It still lacked the fuzzy line that a town has.
this was very dramatic of you and i haven't caught up but I see you moved somewhere else. big talk, ehRondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:06 am[VOTE: Porscha ] aubergine
all this talk of seeing me as scum and yet never actually doing anything about it is boring to me. I am willing to thunderdome if you are. Unless... perhaps you think I am not scum and you are scum yourself trying to find a wat forward
I dont have it in me to sit here and write an essay town casing them but when I have interacted with them (especially spf earlier today) I am rather convinced they aren't wolvesSeanzie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:04 amTell me about Lily and SPF.Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:26 am to clarify aro I don't really think sean is maf much lol... but I think my main poe right now contains:
boq / rondo / nook / sean
not necessarily in order btw. I think all are findable but nook's and sean's content have me left me wanting more, they are more null, but therefore in poe
I am being wagoned for silly reasons but it is probably town, since town are more prone to take issue with my playstyle than scum. They will after my flip pretend that I was still so scummy and find another playstyle they dislike and push tbh. Whatever I say is translated to scummy since D1 tbh. I've tried a multitude of approaches tbh. People who tend to just ignore that and death tunnel are often town.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 5:36 pm boq if youre town then help me figure out what's happening in this game tbh
why do you think that? you don't think alison was bussed by at least 1 partner? if so, then shouldn't you be evaluating exclusively in the people who didnt vote alison?Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 12:16 pmthat's fair, but I assume with that logic you would prio spf first and then reeval? i mean the only anti town thing I did was vote creature over alison day 2 and considering other town also did the same I don't think it's an insane misplay that I deserve to die for. town reading alison day 3 was bad sure but it doesn't save her from dying and logically the wolves were off the alison train by then too imoDrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 12:11 pmDefine the unpartnered with Alison argument for me again. I will try to skim Alison prior to EoD if work time allows if you are unable to.Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 12:09 pmbut why? logically i'm kinda unpartnered with alison, maybe you can say my play hasn't been pro-town this game but is that necessarily wolf indicative?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 12:07 pmI'd say it's you have the least amount of capacity to be town outside of SPF.
I can create an argument for Boq, the responses to my badgering eventually lead me to a VERY slight tr. Though I think he's way off base rn if he is town.
Aro/Nook are likely town.
Rondo is likely town but less than.
Sean should still never go over before Boq.
I'd just lose to Porscha if W and that's fine.
And yes, that is wolf indictive lol. Lately I've found just yeeting whomever isn't pro town just makes an easier fx.
I linked the gross convo alison and I had just now and that's what I'm referring to. You don't know me so ur probs just gonna same it's w/w and yeet me but eh I figured I'd mention it