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Re: Jack Attack Mafia (Day 4)

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:52 am
by JaggedJimmyJay
Long Con wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:51 am Isn't that a good night?
if there's a mafia team

Re: Jack Attack Mafia (Day 4)

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:58 am
by JaggedJimmyJay
ready 4 dem checks

Re: Jack Attack Mafia (Day 4)

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:59 am
by Spacedaisy
I checked TSP, he came back town. Didn't he claim miller?

Re: Jack Attack Mafia (Day 1)

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:00 am
by JaggedJimmyJay
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Mon Jul 06, 2020 10:49 pm wait I'm also hardclaiming miller

Re: Jack Attack Mafia (Day 4)

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:00 am
by Spacedaisy
Yeah so why would he come back town?

Re: Jack Attack Mafia (Day 4)

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:02 am
by nutella
I mean..... you could have been redirected again :///

Re: Jack Attack Mafia (Day 4)

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:02 am
by JaggedJimmyJay
Spacedaisy wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:00 am Yeah so why would he come back town?
1) he's mafia godfather

2) you were redirected

3) he innocently lied about being a miller

4) you're an imperfect cop in some way that gets goofy results (a la insane or paranoid cops)

5) you're lying

2 > 1 > 4 > 5 > 1 by what I view as most likely

Re: Jack Attack Mafia (Day 4)

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:03 am
by JaggedJimmyJay
second 1 should be 3

Re: Jack Attack Mafia (Day 4)

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:03 am
by TonyStarkPrime
Spacedaisy wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:59 am I checked TSP, he came back town. Didn't he claim miller?
you were thus misdirected and also why did you check me I claimed miller

Re: Jack Attack Mafia (Day 4)

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:03 am
by TonyStarkPrime
like what was the point of that

Re: Jack Attack Mafia (Day 4)

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:04 am
by nutella
agreed on jay's order of likelihood

Re: Jack Attack Mafia (Day 4)

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:04 am
by TonyStarkPrime
oh wait I'm dumb I wasn't a miller last night

Re: Jack Attack Mafia (Day 4)

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:05 am
by TonyStarkPrime
just gonna let that sit for half an hour before I explain it

Re: Jack Attack Mafia (Day 4)

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:05 am
by JaggedJimmyJay
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:04 am oh wait I'm dumb I wasn't a miller last night
explain thoroughly

Re: Jack Attack Mafia (Day 4)

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:06 am
by Long Con
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:04 am oh wait I'm dumb I wasn't a miller last night
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Re: Jack Attack Mafia (Day 4)

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:06 am
by TonyStarkPrime
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:05 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:04 am oh wait I'm dumb I wasn't a miller last night
explain thoroughly
We already talked about this a bit. I'm only a miller when I use my night action. I didn't use it last night.

Re: Jack Attack Mafia (Day 4)

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:07 am
by nutella
lol

Re: Jack Attack Mafia (Day 4)

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:07 am
by nutella
why would opt-in miller be a thing

??

Re: Jack Attack Mafia (Day 4)

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:08 am
by nutella
oh wait im dumb you're saying it's the cost of doing something else

Re: Jack Attack Mafia (Day 4)

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:08 am
by nutella
lmao this fucking game

Re: Jack Attack Mafia (Day 4)

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:08 am
by nutella
i believe it

Re: Jack Attack Mafia (Day 4)

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:08 am
by nutella
uhm. hmm

Re: Jack Attack Mafia (Day 4)

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:08 am
by JaggedJimmyJay
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:06 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:05 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:04 am oh wait I'm dumb I wasn't a miller last night
explain thoroughly
We already talked about this a bit. I'm only a miller when I use my night action. I didn't use it last night.
if you're only a godfather when you holster your night action, your action must presumably have some utility. what is it

Re: Jack Attack Mafia (Day 1)

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:09 am
by TonyStarkPrime
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:02 pm my miller status is conditional. I suspect hally's is as well.
from day 1, there's more discussion there.

Re: Jack Attack Mafia (Day 4)

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:09 am
by nutella
big thonk

Re: Jack Attack Mafia (Day 4)

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:09 am
by nutella
thonkin bout colin

Re: Jack Attack Mafia (Day 4)

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:09 am
by nutella
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:08 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:06 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:05 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:04 am oh wait I'm dumb I wasn't a miller last night
explain thoroughly
We already talked about this a bit. I'm only a miller when I use my night action. I didn't use it last night.
if you're only a godfather when you holster your night action, your action must presumably have some utility. what is it
hmmmMMMMMMMM spicy

Re: Jack Attack Mafia (Day 4)

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:10 am
by nutella
[mention]Wisp[/mention] would sure love to hear what youve got

Re: Jack Attack Mafia (Day 4)

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:10 am
by TonyStarkPrime
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:08 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:06 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:05 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:04 am oh wait I'm dumb I wasn't a miller last night
explain thoroughly
We already talked about this a bit. I'm only a miller when I use my night action. I didn't use it last night.
if you're only a godfather when you holster your night action, your action must presumably have some utility. what is it
i'm not telling you, mr teddy bear.

Re: Jack Attack Mafia (Day 4)

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:11 am
by JaggedJimmyJay
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:10 am i'm not telling you, mr teddy bear.
I don't believe you

Re: Jack Attack Mafia (Day 4)

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:11 am
by JaggedJimmyJay
I'll wait for Wisp

Re: Jack Attack Mafia (Day 4)

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:12 am
by TonyStarkPrime
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:11 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:10 am i'm not telling you, mr teddy bear.
I don't believe you
you don't believe that I'm not telling you?

Re: Jack Attack Mafia (Day 4)

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:12 am
by TonyStarkPrime
you're probably right tbh. I have a loose tongue.

Re: Jack Attack Mafia (Day 4)

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:14 am
by JaggedJimmyJay
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:12 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:11 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:10 am i'm not telling you, mr teddy bear.
I don't believe you
you don't believe that I'm not telling you?
I don't believe you're a "conditional miller". You also in spirit just affirmed my assertion that you're a conditional godfather, k

Re: Jack Attack Mafia (Day 4)

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:15 am
by JaggedJimmyJay
To refuse to talk about the rest of your role at this stage, under these circumstances, makes zero sense for a civilian. The game hinges on working out this confusion if you're town.

"Treat today like it's LyLo"

"I'm not telling"

okay

Re: Jack Attack Mafia (Day 4)

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:16 am
by TonyStarkPrime
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:14 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:12 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:11 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:10 am i'm not telling you, mr teddy bear.
I don't believe you
you don't believe that I'm not telling you?
I don't believe you're a "conditional miller". You also in spirit just affirmed my assertion that you're a conditional godfather, k
I claimed conditional miller on day 1. Did you have a problem with it then? You've sort of had a problem with it since.

Re: Jack Attack Mafia (Day 4)

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:17 am
by JaggedJimmyJay
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:16 am I claimed conditional miller on day 1. Did you have a problem with it then? You've sort of had a problem with it since.
I had no problem with it then. I literally didn't care about it. You're not behaving like a civilian.

Re: Jack Attack Mafia (Day 4)

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:21 am
by TonyStarkPrime
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:15 am To refuse to talk about the rest of your role at this stage, under these circumstances, makes zero sense for a civilian. The game hinges on working out this confusion if you're town.

"Treat today like it's LyLo"

"I'm not telling"

okay
I can tell you that it is good for the town that I do not claim my role at this time. If you're town, I hope that you trust me on mechanics enough to understand that --

why didn't I order you to vote for Epi yesterday. I'm so dumb. I completely forgot.

Okay whatever. I can also tell you that claiming my role will not change your perception of me one way or another as town or mafia. When I eventually get around to claiming it, you will see that this is in fact the case.
However, I have a feeling I'm going to have to thunderdome epi who probably got a town result from Wisp who doesn't understand that his role probably gives back town roles no matter what.

Re: Jack Attack Mafia (Day 4)

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:23 am
by JaggedJimmyJay
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:21 am I can tell you that it is good for the town that I do not claim my role at this time. If you're town, I hope that you trust me on mechanics enough to understand that --

why didn't I order you to vote for Epi yesterday. I'm so dumb. I completely forgot.

Okay whatever. I can also tell you that claiming my role will not change your perception of me one way or another as town or mafia. When I eventually get around to claiming it, you will see that this is in fact the case.
However, I have a feeling I'm going to have to thunderdome epi who probably got a town result from Wisp who doesn't understand that his role probably gives back town roles no matter what.
How likely do you believe it is that this game does not have a mafia team?

Re: Jack Attack Mafia (Day 4)

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:25 am
by TonyStarkPrime
Very unlikely. Look at the day 3 poll.
I am starting to believe that they're not doing the kills.

Re: Jack Attack Mafia (Day 4)

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:25 am
by TonyStarkPrime
There's probably someone poisoned though.

Re: Jack Attack Mafia (Day 4)

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:25 am
by JaggedJimmyJay
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:25 am Very unlikely. Look at the day 3 poll.
I am starting to believe that they're not doing the kills.
what about the day 3 poll

Re: Jack Attack Mafia (Day 4)

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:27 am
by TonyStarkPrime
The host option.

Thinkin Jack Napier is yesterdays killer. A bad sign for Jack Daw.

Re: Jack Attack Mafia (Day 4)

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:27 am
by JaggedJimmyJay
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:27 amA bad sign for Jack Daw.
why

i'm listening but please finish thoughts

Re: Jack Attack Mafia (Day 4)

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:28 am
by TonyStarkPrime
Did Kitsu do the night kill analysis on that?

Re: Jack Attack Mafia (Day 4)

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:29 am
by JaggedJimmyJay
I think Epignosis should be today's chop barring clear indication to the contrary from Wisp.

Re: Jack Attack Mafia (Day 4)

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:31 am
by TonyStarkPrime
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:27 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:27 amA bad sign for Jack Daw.
why

i'm listening but please finish thoughts
So, Jack Napier is Jack Nickolson's joker.

[that gives me a thought which I'm wiping from my mind.]

Earlier I had a guess that the scum team might be superheroes if Jack Daw were on it, that's a theme that I could see making sense overall. There was no further evidence for this until The Joker might have popped up in a writeup.
I think Kitsu hasn't claimed a character yet, and Epi's only half claimed. If they both full claim and neither is daw, who as a town vig is probably safe to out now, then we have to start thinking about daw as lock wolf.

Re: Jack Attack Mafia (Day 4)

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:38 am
by TonyStarkPrime
I'm still trying to wrap my head around everything in this game. I'm not doing a great job with it. So it goes.

Re: Jack Attack Mafia (Day 4)

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:40 am
by JaggedJimmyJay
What I'm saying is that if there are two hostile independents (Pawn + day killer/poisoner), the notion that there is no mafia team at all becomes considerably more plausible. I know it sounds ridiculous, but we have three straight nights with no kills.

The game is clearly not normal.

Re: Jack Attack Mafia (Day 4)

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:41 am
by JaggedJimmyJay
I also could see if I want to reach a mafia team under a POE clamp deciding not to kill to promote that paranoia -- which is why I am focused on Epignosis who I think could fit well as a mafioso or as some poisoner or whatever.