The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:34 am Jay's Dilemma:

~ The vibe of this game has not been one of Analysis or Big Posts
~ If the game is a hard one, I don't think I am likely to solve it without Analysis and Big Posts
~ Analysis and Big Posts hurt my head and make me so very tired
~ If I don't do Analysis and Big Posts and let the game continue in its real-time emotion-driven discourse, I think we will lose to most decent mafia teams
~ Other people are very capable of good Analysis and Big Posts, but they might not want to and I can't blame them

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:35 am Also @JaggedJimmyJay you didn't make the exercise i asked from you

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:36 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:34 am watched the 2017 film "mother!". i hated almost every second of it. solid 8/10

I watched that a few weeks ago at a friend's demand and now I have anxiety

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:32 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:50 am I am excited to see what Michelle does with this brand new poll.

Morning, i saw the poll and i wanted to read the thread to understand what exactly happened.

I have in mind that Ellie was displeased with my lynch, iirc asking why am I close to hammer (i will check her Iso for the quote because memory is tricky) but she is strongly advocating me to be in the Poe.
The same, Grogu except the fact he is funny and with cute avatar, has a frozen read on me that he cannot explain.
If, like you said, Nutella is town, SPF is town and Esooa is town, in other words if i am so idiot that i al 100% wrong, then the first people with unexplained and odd stanced are Ellie and Grogu.
Though, i thought Ellie is villager because of the fast growing wagon on her, but the wagon contains too many town reads so the logic it's not aplicabile.
Town LC was in hammer range, 2 counter wagons emerged, on Ellie and Made.
Which one of them had an early day 1 wagon who dissipated?
I have to check.

After breakfast, sorry i have to live too
Brb

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:30 am Ellie reminds me of Monstr in a game 5 years ago where he was being voted over someone who he hard pocketed. Monstr was upset that the other person wasn't being killed before him because that other player was being scummy and even defending Monstr.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:38 am

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:30 am Ellie reminds me of Monstr in a game 5 years ago where he was being voted over someone who he hard pocketed. Monstr was upset that the other person wasn't being killed before him because that other player was being scummy and even defending Monstr.

You really compared my sensei with Ellie?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:37 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:35 am Also @JaggedJimmyJay you didn't make the exercise i asked from you

There's no single "What if Michelle is Town?" post, but that possibility is still littered amongst my various recent posts as I meander around the game.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:40 am i need your whole brain

EllieDelight wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:38 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:38 am

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:30 am Ellie reminds me of Monstr in a game 5 years ago where he was being voted over someone who he hard pocketed. Monstr was upset that the other person wasn't being killed before him because that other player was being scummy and even defending Monstr.

You really compared my sensei with Ellie?

-_- rude

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:48 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:45 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:34 am

EllieDelight wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:28 am im off work now, if anyone wants to ask questions or whatnot im here to answer them.

my main takeaway from the pat 8 hours though is that i honestly cant accept i live in a world where i die before made. michelle? ok maybe, but not made who has literally been trying to white knight me all game, which if anything means we're both scum.

Well this post has pretzeled my brain.

mine too

what are you feeling right now?

I dunno. Part of me wants to vote Made, because his Ellie vote is transparently bad. Part of me is unsure about Ellie and thinks she looks at least 15% like a townie being railroaded. But I cannot develop confidence about either thing and, for the moment, feel like I am best advised to stop thinking so much.

I also had a moment of inspiration in my brain that said "Nanook is mafia", but I couldn't tell you why or if that moment is worth anything.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:45 am I fully vibe with 100% of this post

If only you liked butter we'd be unstoppable

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:38 am

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:30 am Ellie reminds me of Monstr in a game 5 years ago where he was being voted over someone who he hard pocketed. Monstr was upset that the other person wasn't being killed before him because that other player was being scummy and even defending Monstr.

You really compared my sensei with Ellie?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:49 am Neither Michelle nor Ellie is comfortable with the present situation. Made is cozy as a baby.

Y

Made wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:57 am Being close to being lynched as a civvie is lowkey my favorite part of mafia, so like i'm having a lot of fun rn

Made wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:53 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:49 am Neither Michelle nor Ellie is comfortable with the present situation. Made is cozy as a baby.

Y

Made wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:57 am Being close to being lynched as a civvie is lowkey my favorite part of mafia, so like i'm having a lot of fun rn

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:53 am

Made wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:53 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:49 am Neither Michelle nor Ellie is comfortable with the present situation. Made is cozy as a baby.

Y

Made wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:57 am Being close to being lynched as a civvie is lowkey my favorite part of mafia, so like i'm having a lot of fun rn

yeah, but, like, really tho

Made wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:56 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:53 am

Made wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:53 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:49 am Neither Michelle nor Ellie is comfortable with the present situation. Made is cozy as a baby.

Y

Made wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:57 am Being close to being lynched as a civvie is lowkey my favorite part of mafia, so like i'm having a lot of fun rn

yeah, but, like, really tho

if i'm 100% honest, I don't think i'll be baked today. part of the problem of me saying that is that it increases the chances that i'm baked today, but i'm hoping that acknowledging that will mitigate things a bit.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:58 am furthermore, although i am having doubts about the accuracy of the consensus POE of ellie/michelle/made, i would be surprised if there wasn't at least ONE mafia within that pool. so while it's entirely possible that i am getting fooled by some deepwolves, that doesn't mean that it isn't useful to figure out the scummiest person in that pool of three and chop them

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:51 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:38 am

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:30 am Ellie reminds me of Monstr in a game 5 years ago where he was being voted over someone who he hard pocketed. Monstr was upset that the other person wasn't being killed before him because that other player was being scummy and even defending Monstr.

You really compared my sensei with Ellie?

Me and Monstr go way back, I think him teaching anyone mafia is hilarious.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:59 am

Made wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:56 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:53 am

Made wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:53 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:49 am Neither Michelle nor Ellie is comfortable with the present situation. Made is cozy as a baby.

Y

Made wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:57 am Being close to being lynched as a civvie is lowkey my favorite part of mafia, so like i'm having a lot of fun rn

yeah, but, like, really tho

if i'm 100% honest, I don't think i'll be baked today. part of the problem of me saying that is that it increases the chances that i'm baked today, but i'm hoping that acknowledging that will mitigate things a bit.

is this a roundabout way of softing PR?

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:00 am This may explain some things, i don't think my play is so hard to understand to require a wall of explanations but i want to share my thoughts

Imagine that i had enough of people saying how i am playing and how i am not playing the game.

I think i have the right to choose my own meta.
For who wants to cage me in a pattern, i have bad news, i reffuse to do so. Always and even more lately.

I don't think i did any scummy thing, i tried to solve in my own way like i am always doing.
Who saw me playing lately knows i am playing against my old meta and i am fighting every single person who claim they can read me. The exceptions exists but they are not playing in this game.

Nutella claiming this is my scun game is hilarious, i don't think she saw me so many times as scum. And i never played like that as either alignament. So if she would claim this is my town game she would also blatantly lie.
My problem is in her conviction that she solved me. I take this 'solve' as rude and unnecessary as either alignament

I experimented lately meta changes in every single game. I would feel like an idiot to copy someone and worse to replicate my own game. It's just boring.

To think that the mafia skills of someone resides in comparing posts from one game to another instead playing the actual game is here for us to play, this is lowering the play level and i dislike to play like that, and i don't accept to encourage this.

This is why i wanted to be out of this game

EllieDelight wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:37 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:32 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:50 am I am excited to see what Michelle does with this brand new poll.

Morning, i saw the poll and i wanted to read the thread to understand what exactly happened.

I have in mind that Ellie was displeased with my lynch, iirc asking why am I close to hammer (i will check her Iso for the quote because memory is tricky) but she is strongly advocating me to be in the Poe.
The same, Grogu except the fact he is funny and with cute avatar, has a frozen read on me that he cannot explain.
If, like you said, Nutella is town, SPF is town and Esooa is town, in other words if i am so idiot that i al 100% wrong, then the first people with unexplained and odd stanced are Ellie and Grogu.
Though, i thought Ellie is villager because of the fast growing wagon on her, but the wagon contains too many town reads so the logic it's not aplicabile.
Town LC was in hammer range, 2 counter wagons emerged, on Ellie and Made.
Which one of them had an early day 1 wagon who dissipated?
I have to check.

After breakfast, sorry i have to live too
Brb

all i said was that i was wondering if I should put you in bake range, but it was ultimately pointless. im not displeased with your bake.

EllieDelight wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:04 am whats trust/distrust fall?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:44 am michelle, out of me, nutella, and esooa, who do you scumread the most? who do u wanna chop the most today?

and how confident are you that all three of us are mafia?

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:06 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:44 am michelle, out of me, nutella, and esooa, who do you scumread the most? who do u wanna chop the most today?

and how confident are you that all three of us are mafia?

I don't encourage feeding the wolves iykwim

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:06 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:44 am michelle, out of me, nutella, and esooa, who do you scumread the most? who do u wanna chop the most today?

and how confident are you that all three of us are mafia?

I don't encourage feeding the wolves iykwim

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:04 am

EllieDelight wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:37 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:32 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:50 am I am excited to see what Michelle does with this brand new poll.

Morning, i saw the poll and i wanted to read the thread to understand what exactly happened.

I have in mind that Ellie was displeased with my lynch, iirc asking why am I close to hammer (i will check her Iso for the quote because memory is tricky) but she is strongly advocating me to be in the Poe.
The same, Grogu except the fact he is funny and with cute avatar, has a frozen read on me that he cannot explain.
If, like you said, Nutella is town, SPF is town and Esooa is town, in other words if i am so idiot that i al 100% wrong, then the first people with unexplained and odd stanced are Ellie and Grogu.
Though, i thought Ellie is villager because of the fast growing wagon on her, but the wagon contains too many town reads so the logic it's not aplicabile.
Town LC was in hammer range, 2 counter wagons emerged, on Ellie and Made.
Which one of them had an early day 1 wagon who dissipated?
I have to check.

After breakfast, sorry i have to live too
Brb

all i said was that i was wondering if I should put you in bake range, but it was ultimately pointless. im not displeased with your bake.

Why, if you want to hung me didn't you put me in hammer range?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:05 am

EllieDelight wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:04 am whats trust/distrust fall?

Trustfall - name the best reason you can think of to call each player in the game town

Distrustfall - same, but mafia reads instead

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:14 pm @Michelle hey I have a proposition for you in the morning

solve the game assuming nutella and I are green peeked and you won't get lynched

Made wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:07 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:06 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:44 am michelle, out of me, nutella, and esooa, who do you scumread the most? who do u wanna chop the most today?

and how confident are you that all three of us are mafia?

I don't encourage feeding the wolves iykwim

how is this feeding the wolves?

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:22 am

Made wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:07 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:06 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:44 am michelle, out of me, nutella, and esooa, who do you scumread the most? who do u wanna chop the most today?

and how confident are you that all three of us are mafia?

I don't encourage feeding the wolves iykwim

how is this feeding the wolves?

Wolves like SPF can turn around any argument because she has a cold head and she is very good with words.
I am the opposite, an emotional player, bad with words.
I won as villager the paint game and the hydra where my partner and me were gif posting.
Sometimes words are just helping wolves.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:22 am

Made wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:07 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:06 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:44 am michelle, out of me, nutella, and esooa, who do you scumread the most? who do u wanna chop the most today?

and how confident are you that all three of us are mafia?

I don't encourage feeding the wolves iykwim

how is this feeding the wolves?

Wolves like SPF can turn around any argument because she has a cold head and she is very good with words.
I am the opposite, an emotional player, bad with words.
I won as villager the paint game and the hydra where my partner and me were gif posting.
Sometimes words are just helping wolves.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:36 am what's the best reason to townread nanook?

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:44 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:36 am what's the best reason to townread nanook?

I've honestly forgotten lol. Like there was a point I had him as lock town based on his D1 but I don't know that I can articulate why and that may be a bad sign? I think it was sort of generally his flow on D1 felt like the way he approaches the game when he's truly uninformed and he showed his particular brand of uninformed perspective and attitude that he has as town (kind of a dgaf, go with the flow kind of thing) but I think that's something he can certainly fake as scum as well, and I've only had more and more concerns about his slot as the game has gone on.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:40 am I think I need to be more cautious with clearing people for vibing and mindmelds. Like I feel it's pretty common for there to be a deepwolf in someone like Alison or SPF who gets by on fake mindmelds with townies and generally latching onto their thought processes and pocketing them by engineering themself to be in lockstep with them. It's an easy way to get manipulated and I think I'm pretty susceptible to falling for it (though I'm also susceptible to paranoia to a harmful extent sometimes as well and it's such a hard balance to strike).

Anyway I say this because at various points I've thought "no way I vibe THIS much with everything this person is saying they just HAVE to be town" for several different players this game -- SPF, Alison, Esooa -- those three primarily; tutuu and jay to lesser extents. And now I'm thinking, in a potential world where Michelle is town, I specifically want to question the processes I shared with SPF and Esooa on our read progressions toward Michelle, and really should consider that some of it could have been engineered to ring genuine to me and "team up" with me to get Michelle chopped (and later show doubt and reevaluate as both esooa and spf have now done and what if it's tmi after all and aaaaa). Idk this is a complex thought I'm having and I should probably let it marinate. I think even regardless of Michelle's alignment it's possible I've been pocketed in this way by one of them and I'm not sure how to rat it out except by being cautious with my reasoning for clearing them.