The Syndicate

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:19 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 6:55 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 5:51 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 5:39 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:08 pm With the disclaimer that I haven't read 99% of posts in the thread, this is my list of optimal chops in no particular order (anyone off the list isn't viable for today):

Enderwiggin
Porscha
Achromatic
Vivax
DrWilgy

Each have pros and cons, and variable amounts of information potential.

Nook was also not on Axe's radar. And I don't think Nook kills Axe unless he's worried about Axe specifically. I don't really know how worried or not Nook would be as mafia, but Axe didn't focus on Nook

If I look at this list and who took a stance between Ender/Porscha, Wilgy and Vivax are the only one remaining

@Vivax What are your thoughts on bus drivers?

Generally? You said it's not your meta to bus, I'll have to take you at your word for it and no one has challenged that.
Hot pick for busser would probably be Nook. But it's Nook and I have no clue. Lucy later implied a bus saying something like Tommy gave her PTSD which was quoted somewhere along these pages.

For me, the PoE remains Nook/Lucy
Then there's doctor reads on Nook so I'd go lucy here for looking like she was shielding Tommy at points.

It seemed like the moment I SRed Tommy and made a busser read on Nanook, Lucy and Sabi jumped at me to talk me out of it for newbie-slack, one of them could have been mafia seeking for help to not look alone with a bad read. They got it, but at some point there has to be a reckoning. And Sabi flipped. Alas.

I was more so wondering about your thoughts on bussing in your own play. I just asked indirectly, because Vivex vibes

Vivax wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 6:55 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 5:51 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 5:39 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:08 pm With the disclaimer that I haven't read 99% of posts in the thread, this is my list of optimal chops in no particular order (anyone off the list isn't viable for today):

Enderwiggin
Porscha
Achromatic
Vivax
DrWilgy

Each have pros and cons, and variable amounts of information potential.

Nook was also not on Axe's radar. And I don't think Nook kills Axe unless he's worried about Axe specifically. I don't really know how worried or not Nook would be as mafia, but Axe didn't focus on Nook

If I look at this list and who took a stance between Ender/Porscha, Wilgy and Vivax are the only one remaining

@Vivax What are your thoughts on bus drivers?

Generally? You said it's not your meta to bus, I'll have to take you at your word for it and no one has challenged that.
Hot pick for busser would probably be Nook. But it's Nook and I have no clue. Lucy later implied a bus saying something like Tommy gave her PTSD which was quoted somewhere along these pages.

For me, the PoE remains Nook/Lucy
Then there's doctor reads on Nook so I'd go lucy here for looking like she was shielding Tommy at points.

It seemed like the moment I SRed Tommy and made a busser read on Nanook, Lucy and Sabi jumped at me to talk me out of it for newbie-slack, one of them could have been mafia seeking for help to not look alone with a bad read. They got it, but at some point there has to be a reckoning. And Sabi flipped. Alas.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 4:34 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:33 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:21 pm @MacDougall who do u think is doc

Rondo hasn't been counterclaimed so I have no reason to suspect it's anyone other than him because at this point he is literally the wolf or the doctor, so the doctor is throwing by not counterclaiming him. I have no idea why Dyslexicon is convinced that he isn't the doc when the real doc (if it were Nanook) would simply have counterclaimed and killed him right now. The doctor hiding at this point is strictly dumb if so.

I guess the mafia just thought they were being duped by Rondo and shot Sabi because of that, which is just really bad play cuz Sabi strictly dropped her claim in a situation where if she was real doc, she never would have cuz we forced Rondo to HC never rescind by punishment of death, so a doc Sabi there would have had a veritable red on him. Ergo the wolf is dumb or not really paying attention (somehow).

Anyway if the real doc does now counterclaim Rondo, I am going to preface this by saying real doc u dumb.

My POE right now is Lucy and Lucy.

Spoiler: show

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 7:15 pm Nice

Mac lock town

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:12 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:09 pm Nanook trying would he neat too

I did my job

I thought Nook was doc from these posts here, and I just slotted him as town after that. It looks like from his reaction here that he isn't though, but I really wish he'd just say it out right cause it's just annoying and anti-town at this point. I thought both Sabi and Rondo was kind of meme and fake tbh, and that Nook would probably try to go utr so was fine with some cover, however good or bad, especially since he's had a PoE of me and Vul. No reason to counter if you think the people faking are town anyway. I thought it was kind of like the situation in the champs final, where we couldn't chop Dya because Arete was faking a green, but I knew Arete was faking and thought Dya was mafia, but instead we had to chop Monkey. It was super dumb. Except Dya wasn't mafia anyway so lol

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:32 amWhat if that first post is TMI?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:33 am Like, the only compelling reason I've seen to townread Nook is the Axe kill, which does seem weird coming from Nook. But lke... sometimes weird things happen.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:35 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:32 amWhat if that first post is TMI?

If he's mafia, it probably is. I don't think assuming Mac N1 kill is particularly meaningful in itself though

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:39 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:33 am Like, the only compelling reason I've seen to townread Nook is the Axe kill, which does seem weird coming from Nook. But lke... sometimes weird things happen.

One time I found a letter written in code on my balcony. I don't know how it got there and I still haven't cracked the code. I should give it another go tbh

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:43 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:35 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:32 amWhat if that first post is TMI?

If he's mafia, it probably is. I don't think assuming Mac N1 kill is particularly meaningful in itself though

Mac WAS the N1 kill

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:43 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:43 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:35 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:32 amWhat if that first post is TMI?

If he's mafia, it probably is. I don't think assuming Mac N1 kill is particularly meaningful in itself though

Mac WAS the N1 kill

If Ender wasnt shielding you I would slam you for trying to cast doubt on that

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:35 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:32 amWhat if that first post is TMI?

If he's mafia, it probably is. I don't think assuming Mac N1 kill is particularly meaningful in itself though

Vivax wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:43 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:39 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:33 am Like, the only compelling reason I've seen to townread Nook is the Axe kill, which does seem weird coming from Nook. But lke... sometimes weird things happen.

One time I found a letter written in code on my balcony. I don't know how it got there and I still haven't cracked the code. I should give it another go tbh

That sounds interesting.

One time I housed a French fugitive or something in the house for a night. Left me two Euros and a lot of thanks in a letter that made me realize what he was.
No, nothing spicy.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:43 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:43 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:35 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:32 amWhat if that first post is TMI?

If he's mafia, it probably is. I don't think assuming Mac N1 kill is particularly meaningful in itself though

Mac WAS the N1 kill

If Ender wasnt shielding you I would slam you for trying to cast doubt on that

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:47 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:43 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:43 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:35 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:32 amWhat if that first post is TMI?

If he's mafia, it probably is. I don't think assuming Mac N1 kill is particularly meaningful in itself though

Mac WAS the N1 kill

If Ender wasnt shielding you I would slam you for trying to cast doubt on that

I didn't cast doubt on that lol. You are constantly misunderstanding me and missing the point. Calm down, Rondor

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 5:48 am If Ender/Porscha are w/w, then why does this happen?

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:31 pm God I really dont know if ender is a hit I'm a trash can at reading them the couple times we have played but they seemed to be consistent in the dizzy read and felt confident earlier is this also doable in ender's wolf range?

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:33 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:31 pm If you think achro is town
and you don't have a good place to be voting
and you aren't sure Ender is town

you should be voting Ender imo

*sucks teeth* aaaaah fuck man

I dont think I'll be able to be around for eod cuz I gotta drive shortly

I'll just stick it on ender and hope for the best

These are the posts when Porscha pivots to Ender as a counter wagon to self pres. She sort of makes up a reason to do it and *sucks teeth* lol. I don't think this is her piling onto a teammate. On Ender's side, he doesn't even self pres onto Porscha, even thought she is quite far down his list. If the plan was for Porscha to vote a teammate, why not vote back to seal the distancing? Instead Ender is kind of doing his own thing

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 6:36 am 1. Achro's legacy
2. Hasn't done much to help solve the game aside from calling himself lock town with no basis during early day 2 and making a locktown read on Mac that's trivial to make, feels like he just did that to better his positioning
3. Has virtually no wolf spew in his favor that I've been able to find so far

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:22 am One thing I don't like about Nook, and without trying to make this into and omgus fest, is how he's been having me in his PoE. It seems like a random pick, because he argued for it not being Ender because Ender doesn't kill Axe, but apparently I do?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:33 am Like, the only compelling reason I've seen to townread Nook is the Axe kill, which does seem weird coming from Nook. But lke... sometimes weird things happen.

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 12:18 pm TRing Rondo, Sean and Mac. Rondo sounds identical to the last two games I've played here. I scum read him both games and he ended up flipped town (reanimation excluded).
Sean more toothy and hostile than last game where he was wolf. He seemed light and kinda floated through the thread as wolf, very different tone this game.
Mac could be anything I suppose, but he's putting in the work and it's not feeling forced to this point. His reaction to me piling on was classic too, enjoyable really. His read on me is wrong, but that's the way she goes.

Can't remember if it was Vivax or Wiggin who tried to tie me to Axehole because I made sure joke about us being Canadian.. They both entered at basically the same time so you'll have to forgive my processing here ( in catchup mode from work).

Lead wagons seem good. Porscha trying to excuse herself from putting in any effort because neither Sean or I had was sketch, and I pointed that out earlier. I'll be the first to say I totally suck at this game, so pinning any sort of excuse as to why she's not playing on me, is pretty weak.

Tommy really seems like LHF, but at the same time their posting yesterday was just not townie at all and the fact the they haven't re-entered does come across frozen.

Can't put my finger on why, gut read I guess, but Dyslexicon pinged yesterday. Lucy still feels scummy as well. Upon reflection she spent her time trying to "look towny" and I felt some post come across as self conscious.

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 12:57 am Lol scumread rightly for the wrong reasons.

Thats crap.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 6:36 am 1. Achro's legacy
2. Hasn't done much to help solve the game aside from calling himself lock town with no basis during early day 2 and making a locktown read on Mac that's trivial to make, feels like he just did that to better his positioning
3. Has virtually no wolf spew in his favor that I've been able to find so far

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:06 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:33 am Like, the only compelling reason I've seen to townread Nook is the Axe kill, which does seem weird coming from Nook. But lke... sometimes weird things happen.

correct, it is the only real reason, and because of that he won't be winning this game

but it's a more clearing thing for me than anything I can say for Ender or Lucy personally.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:09 am Lol let's make a shield matrix.

Rondo clearing Mac shielding Nanook shielding Wilgy
Ender shielding Dizzy who is shielding nobody
Vulgard is shielding tons of people but/and is obvious town
Lucy was being shielded by achro who is dead town...
Seanzie is ... not being discussed really but seems town ... let's change that and talk about why Seanzie is town?
Vivax is pretty much polarised and he's town here

Dizzy is probably never a wolf. Wilgy is never a wolf. Rondo never. Mac never. If I trust Achro well...

Nook/Ender.

And for me, Ender is significantly more likely the hit but that's just me.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:19 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:06 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:33 am Like, the only compelling reason I've seen to townread Nook is the Axe kill, which does seem weird coming from Nook. But lke... sometimes weird things happen.

correct, it is the only real reason, and because of that he won't be winning this game

but it's a more clearing thing for me than anything I can say for Ender or Lucy personally.

I have no real feels for Lucy, so at some point I should ISO them.

Am I correct in assuming that yesterday you didn't actually have a slip on them, they just slipped into admitting there is something sus in their ISO and you leaned into it? If so, I'd like to hear from Lucy on exactly what they think is so suspicious about their own play to warrant that reaction.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:20 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:09 am Lol let's make a shield matrix.

Rondo clearing Mac shielding Nanook shielding Wilgy
Ender shielding Dizzy who is shielding nobody
Vulgard is shielding tons of people but/and is obvious town
Lucy was being shielded by achro who is dead town...
Seanzie is ... not being discussed really but seems town ... let's change that and talk about why Seanzie is town?
Vivax is pretty much polarised and he's town here

Dizzy is probably never a wolf. Wilgy is never a wolf. Rondo never. Mac never. If I trust Achro well...

Nook/Ender.

And for me, Ender is significantly more likely the hit but that's just me.

Mostly I've been clearing him off his rolecard, but I know that's kind of a weak reason.

Vivax wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:17 am

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 6:36 am 1. Achro's legacy
2. Hasn't done much to help solve the game aside from calling himself lock town with no basis during early day 2 and making a locktown read on Mac that's trivial to make, feels like he just did that to better his positioning
3. Has virtually no wolf spew in his favor that I've been able to find so far

Wolf spew for Achro? Don't really get this. He dead.

Vivax wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:15 am

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 12:57 am Lol scumread rightly for the wrong reasons.

Thats crap.

Idk I almost want to read a compliment into this. It's about my reasons to vote for Porscha which I described in that way.

[VOTE: Vulgard] aubergine

Of course if you claim a shield on Vulgard I can back off. But...Feh

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:22 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:20 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:09 am Lol let's make a shield matrix.

Rondo clearing Mac shielding Nanook shielding Wilgy
Ender shielding Dizzy who is shielding nobody
Vulgard is shielding tons of people but/and is obvious town
Lucy was being shielded by achro who is dead town...
Seanzie is ... not being discussed really but seems town ... let's change that and talk about why Seanzie is town?
Vivax is pretty much polarised and he's town here

Dizzy is probably never a wolf. Wilgy is never a wolf. Rondo never. Mac never. If I trust Achro well...

Nook/Ender.

And for me, Ender is significantly more likely the hit but that's just me.

Mostly I've been clearing him off his rolecard, but I know that's kind of a weak reason.

I have the impression that you were on teh right side of both chops without me checking is that true?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:21 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:19 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:06 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:33 am Like, the only compelling reason I've seen to townread Nook is the Axe kill, which does seem weird coming from Nook. But lke... sometimes weird things happen.

correct, it is the only real reason, and because of that he won't be winning this game

but it's a more clearing thing for me than anything I can say for Ender or Lucy personally.

I have no real feels for Lucy, so at some point I should ISO them.

Am I correct in assuming that yesterday you didn't actually have a slip on them, they just slipped into admitting there is something sus in their ISO and you leaned into it? If so, I'd like to hear from Lucy on exactly what they think is so suspicious about their own play to warrant that reaction.

Nah i do but i still want her to articulate it lol

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:23 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:17 am

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 6:36 am 1. Achro's legacy
2. Hasn't done much to help solve the game aside from calling himself lock town with no basis during early day 2 and making a locktown read on Mac that's trivial to make, feels like he just did that to better his positioning
3. Has virtually no wolf spew in his favor that I've been able to find so far

Wolf spew for Achro? Don't really get this. He dead.

I think Vulgard is talking about Nook there, not Achromatic. Nook has no wolf spew in his favor from Tommy or Porscha.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:42 am I've read 30 pages of the game and somehow Ender is still null for me after that even though he posted day 1 and early d2 which is enough of a reason for me to have him in bottom PoE and not oppose the wagon on him

Vivax wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:39 am I'm just the bigot who didn't consider a Flanders with a colossal bum for mafia until D3

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:42 am I've read 30 pages of the game and somehow Ender is still null for me after that even though he posted day 1 and early d2 which is enough of a reason for me to have him in bottom PoE and not oppose the wagon on him

Vivax wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:27 am

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:42 am I've read 30 pages of the game and somehow Ender is still null for me after that even though he posted day 1 and early d2 which is enough of a reason for me to have him in bottom PoE and not oppose the wagon on him

If it's the main/alt of Arctic I played with on MU he's probs town. There are some similarities.

Vivax wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:41 am Still think he's town fwiw
His Rondo and Achro pokes at the beginning would be quite egregious as W

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:47 am Hmmm.

What if Rondo is mafia after all and there is no doctor to counter-claim him?

Is this a crazy thought? Wasn't Rondo the one tinfoiling the idea of the mafia intentionally roleblocking themselves to spew themselves town or something?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:47 am Hmmm.

What if Rondo is mafia after all and there is no doctor to counter-claim him?

Is this a crazy thought? Wasn't Rondo the one tinfoiling the idea of the mafia intentionally roleblocking themselves to spew themselves town or something?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:53 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:47 am Hmmm.

What if Rondo is mafia after all and there is no doctor to counter-claim him?

Is this a crazy thought? Wasn't Rondo the one tinfoiling the idea of the mafia intentionally roleblocking themselves to spew themselves town or something?

I think Lucy was the one who was tinfoiling that.

Also, there are town PRs in any of the setups, so the only PR that can't cc a doc is a vig, so it would be a huge gamble for scum!Rondo to claim doc as that would only work with probability 25% (assuming that there are 3 mafia goons, otherwise it works with 0%)