1. Are you mafia who self coaled?
2. Do you want to start a not quite legal organ harvesting business with me?
Re: Christmas Time Is Here Again
Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:44 pm
by sig
I'm thinking we get some organs you can harvest them being a doctor and I'll handle the business side, but disclaimer when we're caught it was all your idea and I was just tricked by your looks and charms
Re: Christmas Time Is Here Again
Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:52 pm
by Made
Howdy y'all.
Re: Christmas Time Is Here Again
Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:03 pm
by Syn
Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:26 am
I like the way Sin has entered the game, entering with strength and presence indicates that you are willing to be a great town in this game.
For the time being it will be town for me.
The cat posts transmit me positive reflectivity, not the kind of scum that wants to flow.
Syn wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:45 am
people who are first are lock town
Funny story on my OG site we had quite a few people that there was always a mafia member within the first 3 posters, mainly since they want to establish an early presence in the thread
So tell me syn why did ya post first.
Re: Christmas Time Is Here Again
Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:05 pm
by Syn
Made wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:52 pmHowdy y'all.
Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:26 am
I like the way Sin has entered the game, entering with strength and presence indicates that you are willing to be a great town in this game.
For the time being it will be town for me.
The cat posts transmit me positive reflectivity, not the kind of scum that wants to flow.
Syn wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:45 am
people who are first are lock town
Funny story on my OG site we had quite a few people that there was always a mafia member within the first 3 posters, mainly since they want to establish an early presence in the thread
So tell me syn why did ya post first.
Oof im trying to read my quote and I should really stop posting pre coffee.
*we had quite a few people there that always used to say a mafia member would be within the first 3 posters.
Re: Christmas Time Is Here Again
Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:15 pm
by Kylemii
Syn is sus for commenting on anime avatars while having one themselves.
Re: Christmas Time Is Here Again
Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:16 pm
by Kylemii
Cat, Samusamu, syn, and Mewtini please explain yourselves
Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:17 am
I just wake up, coal on wilgy is wifom at the moment.
Changemymind.jpg
But it is not wifom If we want to look at the mental profile of the mafia, it is more interesting to take that into account.
Probably need to lynch a few of them first. I personally would coal my own buddy D1 but i tend to be a little insane so i don't expect a lot others to do it.
Think of it this way, you think it's safest to put it in a partner on d1.
The metagame causes you to think about who is more likely to put a partner or who is more likely to put a town.
You, who are human and have an ego, will want to be above your goal or not and will do the opposite of what you are expected to do or not. In the end your defence against such an accusation is as easy as saying, hey, that I wouldn't have done this, it is very obvious to me, or saying, hey, that this is the opposite of what I would do, it is not my "metagame".
That's why it's wifom.
As I pointed out before, the interesting thing about this fact comes now by reading the game and seeing how it develops.
Nah okay wait. If santa's elfs from hell don't get to kill people and only get to kill people through their one shot, then optimal play is to give your teammates the shot asap. Obv that's wifom, but that doesn't change the benefit you get from that. the more we talk about it thread, the more it becomes wifom, which is why I don't think this conversation serves town
I don't think wilgy getting the coal means he's bad, but i do think wilgy shouldn't use to night shoot unless he's proves to be on the nice list, and right now he's on the middle place list
thoughts?
Re: Christmas Time Is Here Again
Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:39 pm
by Syn
Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:16 pm
Cat, Samusamu, syn, and Mewtini please explain yourselves
I am from CFC and was invited by Timsup2nothin. A natural evolution, as some Syndicate members also played on CFC early this year!
Re: Christmas Time Is Here Again
Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:40 pm
by Syn
Made wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:38 pm
I don't think wilgy getting the coal means he's bad, but i do think wilgy shouldn't use to night shoot unless he's proves to be on the nice list, and right now he's on the middle place list
thoughts?
coal isn't gun
and I think we're forced to submit a target, so no gift holstering
Re: Christmas Time Is Here Again
Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:46 pm
by Made
oh....so coal is just a straight negative... ight doesn't change the null wilgy read, but it does change the flavor of wifom.
I thought the coal turned into a gift the next day...which when you say it out loud, sounds pretty silly
Re: Christmas Time Is Here Again
Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:48 pm
by Made
I still think that talking about the coal is a wifom disaster that doesn't serve town, especially this early. We can do better than wifom
Re: Christmas Time Is Here Again
Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:51 pm
by DrWilgy
sig wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:42 pm
Wilgy be honest with me
1. Are you mafia who self coaled?
2. Do you want to start a not quite legal organ harvesting business with me?
1. No, but it does make me suspect that the person who coaled me is familiar enough to recognize that it's something I'd do as a feint.
2. Hellz yeah, I even got the scalpel and the ice chest ready.
Re: Christmas Time Is Here Again
Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:52 pm
by DrWilgy
sig wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:44 pm
I'm thinking we get some organs you can harvest them being a doctor and I'll handle the business side, but disclaimer when we're caught it was all your idea and I was just tricked by your looks and charms
Fair enough. I am very good looking.
Re: Christmas Time Is Here Again
Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:52 pm
by DrWilgy
Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:16 pm
Cat, Samusamu, syn, and Mewtini please explain yourselves
sig wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 11:03 am
I guess everyone is to busy adulting or something.
But. I do have a few ideas regarding gifts, so from the rules it sounds like mafia give them out, but we don't know who got it.. This is gonna further muddy the waters paired with coal.
I don't think hero shooting is necessarily the best way to approach it until mid game, before mid game and once we get closer to end game it would probably make the most sense if everyone targeted the same person. That would insure town has more control over the game and we're not just hitting random people.
I'd also say for n1 we just target people who haven't shown up yet. I'm never really a fan of lynching non posters I think its a good way for mafia to blend and not have responsibility, but given that these are kills i think it may make the most sense to trim the fat early
Ññññ.
Too early to talk about lynching non poster.
I was thinking about the hero shooting thing.
I conclude that i dont care meanwhile that person can explain the shot and that explanation sound legit to me in day 1/2.
Saying hey i have a shot lets talk to decide who should we shot its a good and easy way for deepwolfing.
This post sounds to me like preparing the ground for the scenario where a scum is given the shot and can easily spend half a day just talking about the shot and not giving an opinion.
You post like a mafia .
Did you read the rules?
Since that scenario just isn't feasible, everyone submits a shot nobody knows who got the shot except for mafia.
There's no way to really discuss it in the sense of I have a shot who should I shoot, sinfe nobody knows who's gonna get one.
Mafia have one shot per the rules, so why you're so quick to say I'm mafia for trying to come up with a game plan is rather scummy actually.
The scenario is feasible from the moment you can say, hey, today I can fire a shot. But that's not what's important
The important thing, and to finish this off a bit, is that I haven't said that your reasoning isn't legitimate, but that the way it's done gives me mafia-like feelings, and that's why you have my vote.
What have you done in return? Easy, resorting to the countervote without giving many explanations. To make matters worse, I seem to you scum since I voted for you and I have said why, if I had avoided quoting you and passing by I would not have said vote, since previously you had not quoted me nor mentioned that you think I am scum.
This makes me think that either you are a tremendously visceral player or that you just want to dirty the thread in a futile exchange.
I reaffirm that you post as a scum does prototypically, so for the time being my vote will remain with you a while longer.
The game continues.
Also if anything talking about the shots is by far one of the easiest ways to catch mafia, it's essentially just a second lynch for town if used correctly, not talking about it is gonna make everything murky and more difficult for town.
Hahaha, Good way to twist what I say.
The first thing is that I don't want to cut the conversation about the shooting. On the contrary, I stopped for a second to give my opinion on a particular case. (Hero shooting)
I have never said that not talking about the shooting is optimal, rather I am being part of that conversation while making my own assessment.
Re: Christmas Time Is Here Again
Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:02 pm
by Samusamu
(Wtf, this happen to me for translating what i want to say in a word and copypaste it here.)
Hahaha, Good way to twist what I say.
The first thing is that I don't want to cut the conversation about the shooting. On the contrary, I stopped for a second to give my opinion on a particular case. (Hero shooting)
I have never said that not talking about the shooting is optimal, rather I am being part of that conversation while making my own assessment.
The scenario is feasible from the moment you can say, hey, today I can fire a shot. But that's not what's important
The important thing, and to finish this off a bit, is that I haven't said that your reasoning isn't legitimate, but that the way it's done gives me mafia-like feelings, and that's why you have my vote.
What have you done in return? Easy, resorting to the countervote without giving many explanations. To make matters worse, I seem to you scum since I voted for you and I have said why, if I had avoided quoting you and passing by I would not have said vote, since previously you had not quoted me nor mentioned that you think I am scum.
This makes me think that either you are a tremendously visceral player or that you just want to dirty the thread in a futile exchange.
I reaffirm that you post as a scum does prototypically, so for the time being my vote will remain with you a while longer.
Grand Scheme wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:20 am
Wilgy's stocking is full of coal
But Grand Scheme will not judge his soul
Agreed with samu's Change My Mind
Wilgy's stocking is full of wine
I see your scheme as i see his coal
but with wifom can you not judge a soul
so direct are hearts to thing with meanings
Mr. Wilgy, what are your readings?
Samu town,
Sig and Syn scum. Hbu?
Sig town,
Samu scum. Why is sig scum?
Re: Christmas Time Is Here Again
Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:03 pm
by Samusamu
Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:16 pm
Cat, Samusamu, syn, and Mewtini please explain yourselves
???
Re: Christmas Time Is Here Again
Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:05 pm
by Made
Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:02 pm
(Wtf, this happen to me for translating what i want to say in a word and copypaste it here.)
Hahaha, Good way to twist what I say.
The first thing is that I don't want to cut the conversation about the shooting. On the contrary, I stopped for a second to give my opinion on a particular case. (Hero shooting)
I have never said that not talking about the shooting is optimal, rather I am being part of that conversation while making my own assessment.
The scenario is feasible from the moment you can say, hey, today I can fire a shot. But that's not what's important
The important thing, and to finish this off a bit, is that I haven't said that your reasoning isn't legitimate, but that the way it's done gives me mafia-like feelings, and that's why you have my vote.
What have you done in return? Easy, resorting to the countervote without giving many explanations. To make matters worse, I seem to you scum since I voted for you and I have said why, if I had avoided quoting you and passing by I would not have said vote, since previously you had not quoted me nor mentioned that you think I am scum.
This makes me think that either you are a tremendously visceral player or that you just want to dirty the thread in a futile exchange.
I reaffirm that you post as a scum does prototypically, so for the time being my vote will remain with you a while longer.
The game continues.
this is word salady af. I don't see how this kind of staging is helps us when it hasn't happened, it just will create more confusion when/if it does, which serves scum
Re: Christmas Time Is Here Again
Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:08 pm
by Made
New to the format. if we 2/3 vote chop someone, does the day just end or do we get to keep going?
Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:02 pm
(Wtf, this happen to me for translating what i want to say in a word and copypaste it here.)
Hahaha, Good way to twist what I say.
The first thing is that I don't want to cut the conversation about the shooting. On the contrary, I stopped for a second to give my opinion on a particular case. (Hero shooting)
I have never said that not talking about the shooting is optimal, rather I am being part of that conversation while making my own assessment.
The scenario is feasible from the moment you can say, hey, today I can fire a shot. But that's not what's important
The important thing, and to finish this off a bit, is that I haven't said that your reasoning isn't legitimate, but that the way it's done gives me mafia-like feelings, and that's why you have my vote.
What have you done in return? Easy, resorting to the countervote without giving many explanations. To make matters worse, I seem to you scum since I voted for you and I have said why, if I had avoided quoting you and passing by I would not have said vote, since previously you had not quoted me nor mentioned that you think I am scum.
This makes me think that either you are a tremendously visceral player or that you just want to dirty the thread in a futile exchange.
I reaffirm that you post as a scum does prototypically, so for the time being my vote will remain with you a while longer.
The game continues.
this is word salady af. I don't see how this kind of staging is helps us when it hasn't happened, it just will create more confusion when/if it does, which serves scum
Wow!
I'm saying why i read someone scum, and finishing that thought, that is very confuse, haha no.
Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:02 pm
(Wtf, this happen to me for translating what i want to say in a word and copypaste it here.)
Hahaha, Good way to twist what I say.
The first thing is that I don't want to cut the conversation about the shooting. On the contrary, I stopped for a second to give my opinion on a particular case. (Hero shooting)
I have never said that not talking about the shooting is optimal, rather I am being part of that conversation while making my own assessment.
The scenario is feasible from the moment you can say, hey, today I can fire a shot. But that's not what's important
The important thing, and to finish this off a bit, is that I haven't said that your reasoning isn't legitimate, but that the way it's done gives me mafia-like feelings, and that's why you have my vote.
What have you done in return? Easy, resorting to the countervote without giving many explanations. To make matters worse, I seem to you scum since I voted for you and I have said why, if I had avoided quoting you and passing by I would not have said vote, since previously you had not quoted me nor mentioned that you think I am scum.
This makes me think that either you are a tremendously visceral player or that you just want to dirty the thread in a futile exchange.baddie
I reaffirm that you post as a scum does prototypically, so for the time being my vote will remain with you a while longer.
The game continues.
this is word salady af. I don't see how this kind of staging is helps us when it hasn't happened, it just will create more confusion when/if it does, which serves scum
Wow!
I'm saying why i read someone scum, and finishing that thought, that is very confuse, haha no.
You just used the word prototypical. This is some syergistic corporate megalamanic viscerlony baloney my friend
get rid of the words and you get "yeah, uhhh no me? no u!! anyways wifom anyone?"
Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:02 pm
(Wtf, this happen to me for translating what i want to say in a word and copypaste it here.)
Hahaha, Good way to twist what I say.
The first thing is that I don't want to cut the conversation about the shooting. On the contrary, I stopped for a second to give my opinion on a particular case. (Hero shooting)
I have never said that not talking about the shooting is optimal, rather I am being part of that conversation while making my own assessment.
The scenario is feasible from the moment you can say, hey, today I can fire a shot. But that's not what's important
The important thing, and to finish this off a bit, is that I haven't said that your reasoning isn't legitimate, but that the way it's done gives me mafia-like feelings, and that's why you have my vote.
What have you done in return? Easy, resorting to the countervote without giving many explanations. To make matters worse, I seem to you scum since I voted for you and I have said why, if I had avoided quoting you and passing by I would not have said vote, since previously you had not quoted me nor mentioned that you think I am scum.
This makes me think that either you are a tremendously visceral player or that you just want to dirty the thread in a futile exchange.baddie
I reaffirm that you post as a scum does prototypically, so for the time being my vote will remain with you a while longer.
The game continues.
this is word salady af. I don't see how this kind of staging is helps us when it hasn't happened, it just will create more confusion when/if it does, which serves scum
Wow!
I'm saying why i read someone scum, and finishing that thought, that is very confuse, haha no.
You just used the word prototypical. This is some syergistic corporate megalamanic viscerlony baloney my friend
get rid of the words and you get "yeah, uhhh no me? no u!! anyways wifom anyone?"
Samu is not a native english speaker
Re: Christmas Time Is Here Again
Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:37 pm
by Made
Word, respect. keeping my sus, but tossing the knife. I don't know what the word prototypical means, and big words threaten me general, so that much might just be on me
Re: Christmas Time Is Here Again
Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:45 pm
by sig
Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:02 pm
(Wtf, this happen to me for translating what i want to say in a word and copypaste it here.)
Hahaha, Good way to twist what I say.
The first thing is that I don't want to cut the conversation about the shooting. On the contrary, I stopped for a second to give my opinion on a particular case. (Hero shooting)
I have never said that not talking about the shooting is optimal, rather I am being part of that conversation while making my own assessment.
The scenario is feasible from the moment you can say, hey, today I can fire a shot. But that's not what's important
The important thing, and to finish this off a bit, is that I haven't said that your reasoning isn't legitimate, but that the way it's done gives me mafia-like feelings, and that's why you have my vote.
What have you done in return? Easy, resorting to the countervote without giving many explanations. To make matters worse, I seem to you scum since I voted for you and I have said why, if I had avoided quoting you and passing by I would not have said vote, since previously you had not quoted me nor mentioned that you think I am scum.
This makes me think that either you are a tremendously visceral player or that you just want to dirty the thread in a futile exchange.
I reaffirm that you post as a scum does prototypically, so for the time being my vote will remain with you a while longer.
The game continues.
I don't really see how you can think my points are legitimate, but then also say I'm mafia for making them it just doesn't really click with me.
I probably wouldn't have focused in on you if you didn't quote/vote me, but the fact you did makes it seems like your trying to stifle the conversation since you specifically voted for me based off discussing shooting.
You also didn't really address my TMI point of people not knowing who got a gift only mafia would.
And I don't think its logical fr everyone who picked someone who may die to claim it. Essentially all that does is give even more info to mafia, who for this game already possess alot.
Granted, our argument is mainly meta based here. I'm not ride or die on your wagon today. But, you're kinda sketching me out
Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:26 am
I like the way Sin has entered the game, entering with strength and presence indicates that you are willing to be a great town in this game.
For the time being it will be town for me.
The cat posts transmit me positive reflectivity, not the kind of scum that wants to flow.
Syn wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:45 am
people who are first are lock town
Funny story on my OG site we had quite a few people that there was always a mafia member within the first 3 posters, mainly since they want to establish an early presence in the thread
So tell me syn why did ya post first.
No you dont.
You have entered the game with a strong energy, the way you post denotes that you intend to be a strong town
So for the moment you are a town and I don't contemplate that entrance being to appear to be a town.
What are your impressions so far?
Re: Christmas Time Is Here Again
Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:48 pm
by sig
Also I'll be back to reevaluate and take a deeper look at samu after work today.
Other random thoughts
Made may be trying to budd/pocket me, not a fan of this slight ping.
Wilgy makes an interesting point without straying to deep down the meta hole i think we can accurately say at least one mafia member is a TS native. Still iffy on him.
I don't think sloonie is on samu team that's mainly gut though.
Re: Christmas Time Is Here Again
Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:48 pm
by sig
How does Syn have a. Strong energy and I dont smh.
Re: Christmas Time Is Here Again
Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:48 pm
by sig
Can we lynch syn just so I can have the strongest energy?
Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:02 pm
(Wtf, this happen to me for translating what i want to say in a word and copypaste it here.)
Hahaha, Good way to twist what I say.
The first thing is that I don't want to cut the conversation about the shooting. On the contrary, I stopped for a second to give my opinion on a particular case. (Hero shooting)
I have never said that not talking about the shooting is optimal, rather I am being part of that conversation while making my own assessment.
The scenario is feasible from the moment you can say, hey, today I can fire a shot. But that's not what's important
The important thing, and to finish this off a bit, is that I haven't said that your reasoning isn't legitimate, but that the way it's done gives me mafia-like feelings, and that's why you have my vote.
What have you done in return? Easy, resorting to the countervote without giving many explanations. To make matters worse, I seem to you scum since I voted for you and I have said why, if I had avoided quoting you and passing by I would not have said vote, since previously you had not quoted me nor mentioned that you think I am scum.
This makes me think that either you are a tremendously visceral player or that you just want to dirty the thread in a futile exchange.baddie
I reaffirm that you post as a scum does prototypically, so for the time being my vote will remain with you a while longer.
The game continues.
this is word salady af. I don't see how this kind of staging is helps us when it hasn't happened, it just will create more confusion when/if it does, which serves scum
Wow!
I'm saying why i read someone scum, and finishing that thought, that is very confuse, haha no.
You just used the word prototypical. This is some syergistic corporate megalamanic viscerlony baloney my friend
get rid of the words and you get "yeah, uhhh no me? no u!! anyways wifom anyone?"
Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:26 am
I like the way Sin has entered the game, entering with strength and presence indicates that you are willing to be a great town in this game.
For the time being it will be town for me.
The cat posts transmit me positive reflectivity, not the kind of scum that wants to flow.
Syn wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:45 am
people who are first are lock town
Funny story on my OG site we had quite a few people that there was always a mafia member within the first 3 posters, mainly since they want to establish an early presence in the thread
So tell me syn why did ya post first.
No you dont.
You have entered the game with a strong energy, the way you post denotes that you intend to be a strong town
So for the moment you are a town and I don't contemplate that entrance being to appear to be a town.
What are your impressions so far?
sloonei knows how to wolf hunt and has already given us two of the woofs, sheep him to victory
but no really, I have never been described as strong town. I have very low WIM and a hard cap on how much effort I put into Mafia
Re: Christmas Time Is Here Again
Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 3:01 pm
by Syn
i should have clipped that quote maybe for length
Re: Christmas Time Is Here Again
Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 3:04 pm
by Samusamu
Made wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:37 pm
Word, respect. keeping my sus, but tossing the knife. I don't know what the word prototypical means, and big words threaten me general, so that much might just be on me
I like the grammar but I still have to translate with a dictionary some words I don't know, so I will sound very formal often.
Anyway I don't understand your problem with that word.
Samusamu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:02 pm
(Wtf, this happen to me for translating what i want to say in a word and copypaste it here.)
Hahaha, Good way to twist what I say.
The first thing is that I don't want to cut the conversation about the shooting. On the contrary, I stopped for a second to give my opinion on a particular case. (Hero shooting)
I have never said that not talking about the shooting is optimal, rather I am being part of that conversation while making my own assessment.
The scenario is feasible from the moment you can say, hey, today I can fire a shot. But that's not what's important
The important thing, and to finish this off a bit, is that I haven't said that your reasoning isn't legitimate, but that the way it's done gives me mafia-like feelings, and that's why you have my vote.
What have you done in return? Easy, resorting to the countervote without giving many explanations. To make matters worse, I seem to you scum since I voted for you and I have said why, if I had avoided quoting you and passing by I would not have said vote, since previously you had not quoted me nor mentioned that you think I am scum.
This makes me think that either you are a tremendously visceral player or that you just want to dirty the thread in a futile exchange.
I reaffirm that you post as a scum does prototypically, so for the time being my vote will remain with you a while longer.
The game continues.
I don't really see how you can think my points are legitimate, but then also say I'm mafia for making them it just doesn't really click with me.
I probably wouldn't have focused in on you if you didn't quote/vote me, but the fact you did makes it seems like your trying to stifle the conversation since you specifically voted for me based off discussing shooting.
You also didn't really address my TMI point of people not knowing who got a gift only mafia would.
And I don't think its logical fr everyone who picked someone who may die to claim it. Essentially all that does is give even more info to mafia, who for this game already possess alot.
Granted, our argument is mainly meta based here. I'm not ride or die on your wagon today. But, you're kinda sketching me out
The format, what is said and how is said are different issues.
I can believe that the way you say something and the end itself can be scum as long as what you say can be legitimate and defensible on your part.