The Syndicate

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 9:05 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2025 7:06 pm Hi everyone!

This game is pretty different from mafia. In mafia you want to give a lot of info and in AITP you want to give as little info as possible.

If everyone talks a lot and gives read lists it will be super easy for the assassins to deduce who the king is just by looking at who nobody wants to kill.

But if don't talk and just collectively vote off the first person to get run up with votes each day, the assassins don't have much info to work with and can't make accurate shots. There is no night phase so we have guards to spare and losing a guard isn't a big deal.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2025 7:08 pm And that means if you are voted, just accept it instead of trying to defend yourself or convincing anyone not to vote you. Don't try to start a counterwagon for self pres either.

Hi Miss, may I kindly ask, are you mafia?

daisukenowaifuke wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 9:41 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 9:05 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2025 7:06 pm Hi everyone!

This game is pretty different from mafia. In mafia you want to give a lot of info and in AITP you want to give as little info as possible.

If everyone talks a lot and gives read lists it will be super easy for the assassins to deduce who the king is just by looking at who nobody wants to kill.

But if don't talk and just collectively vote off the first person to get run up with votes each day, the assassins don't have much info to work with and can't make accurate shots. There is no night phase so we have guards to spare and losing a guard isn't a big deal.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2025 7:08 pm And that means if you are voted, just accept it instead of trying to defend yourself or convincing anyone not to vote you. Don't try to start a counterwagon for self pres either.

Hi Miss, may I kindly ask, are you mafia?

Did you read the link? what are your thoughts on it?

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 9:41 am

daisukenowaifuke wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 9:38 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 9:36 am Also, I expected day0 to be somewhat dead but damn, guys, isn't it more fun when we actually play?

I get your zeal to play, but wait. I am backreading the old games on mafiascum to see what is the optimal strategy.

This specific setup games? Please send anything you find.

daisukenowaifuke wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 9:44 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 9:41 am

daisukenowaifuke wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 9:38 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 9:36 am Also, I expected day0 to be somewhat dead but damn, guys, isn't it more fun when we actually play?

I get your zeal to play, but wait. I am backreading the old games on mafiascum to see what is the optimal strategy.

This specific setup games? Please send anything you find.

If you scroll down in the link that Thunal provided (https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Assassin_in_the_Palace) you can find the complete list of games. It's only a few.

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 9:24 am @daisukenowaifuke mind looking into @Thunal33 and @S~V~S ?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2025 7:24 pm In fact part of the reason I chose to play this was because I knew it would be a really low time commitment lol.

daisukenowaifuke wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 10:03 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 9:24 am @daisukenowaifuke mind looking into @Thunal33 and @S~V~S ?

I was suspicious of this person, until I read their link and saw the below sentence.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2025 7:24 pm In fact part of the reason I chose to play this was because I knew it would be a really low time commitment lol.

As for SVS, they just seem unaligned to me as of now.

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 10:12 am Why does every site except my home one lack good emojis and liking messages. This is theft! Stealing enjoyment from us! May I complain to the mod for this game. Lemme find who that is

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 10:13 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 10:12 am Why does every site except my home one lack good emojis and liking messages. This is theft! Stealing enjoyment from us! May I complain to the mod for this game. Lemme find who that is

JaggedJimmyJay Sir, I respectfully have a suggestion to make. Mind looking into those? If indecisive, Blobs are cute, I love blobs.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2025 7:08 pm And that means if you are voted, just accept it instead of trying to defend yourself or convincing anyone not to vote you. Don't try to start a counterwagon for self pres either.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 10:54 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2025 7:08 pm And that means if you are voted, just accept it instead of trying to defend yourself or convincing anyone not to vote you. Don't try to start a counterwagon for self pres either.

Unless you’re the king.

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:00 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 10:54 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2025 7:08 pm And that means if you are voted, just accept it instead of trying to defend yourself or convincing anyone not to vote you. Don't try to start a counterwagon for self pres either.

Unless you’re the king.

Hi, may I get your opinion on just about everything?

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:14 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:00 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 10:54 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2025 7:08 pm And that means if you are voted, just accept it instead of trying to defend yourself or convincing anyone not to vote you. Don't try to start a counterwagon for self pres either.

Unless you’re the king.

Hi, may I get your opinion on just about everything?

I’m caught up

Hi Foxy! We haven’t met, I don’t think! You seem rip-roaring and ready to go, and it’s a tricky situation.

I read the link and the ‘optimal strategy’ proposed on that wiki.
My initial take is a strategy that “allows the town a distinct advantage and turns the game into little more than a lottery” sounds good for us, but if I wanted to play the lottery, I’d go throw a dollar in my garbage chute.

Further, this strategy of no info or reads is so antithetical to how I’ve ever play mafia, it might as well not be mafia.

So Resistance: Avalon is my favorite game. I’ve played probably about ~2000 games. The strat proposed here reminds me of the games where the first 3 missions immediately, triggering the assassin to kill Merlin, at, at minimum, a 33% chance to hit. If they miss Merlin, everyone shrugs and we maybe play again. If they shoot Merlin, it feels cheap, but we all shrug. Those games
aren’t distinctly fun or engaging for either party, in my experience.

So…I dunno. I want to still do stuff at a minimal capacity while also still sticking true to the philosophy of mafia and I’ve having trouble reckoning with that discrepancy

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:18 am Holy hell, how does Foxy already have 28 posts? It feels like a guy withdrawing all their money from the bank but at $1 at a time, with a coffee break in between

Foxy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2025 7:08 pm Whoa, finally town! I am so happy!

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:21 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:18 am Holy hell, how does Foxy already have 28 posts? It feels like a guy withdrawing all their money from the bank but at $1 at a time, with a coffee break in between

You don't have to believe me on this but I am just glad I finally get to solve as I literally randed scum 3 times in a row... with same partner twice in fact.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:14 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:00 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 10:54 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2025 7:08 pm And that means if you are voted, just accept it instead of trying to defend yourself or convincing anyone not to vote you. Don't try to start a counterwagon for self pres either.

Unless you’re the king.

Hi, may I get your opinion on just about everything?

I’m caught up

Hi Foxy! We haven’t met, I don’t think! You seem rip-roaring and ready to go, and it’s a tricky situation.

I read the link and the ‘optimal strategy’ proposed on that wiki.
My initial take is a strategy that “allows the town a distinct advantage and turns the game into little more than a lottery” sounds good for us, but if I wanted to play the lottery, I’d go throw a dollar in my garbage chute.

Further, this strategy of no info or reads is so antithetical to how I’ve ever play mafia, it might as well not be mafia.

So Resistance: Avalon is my favorite game. I’ve played probably about ~2000 games. The strat proposed here reminds me of the games where the first 3 missions immediately, triggering the assassin to kill Merlin, at, at minimum, a 33% chance to hit. If they miss Merlin, everyone shrugs and we maybe play again. If they shoot Merlin, it feels cheap, but we all shrug. Those games
aren’t distinctly fun or engaging for either party, in my experience.

So…I dunno. I want to still do stuff at a minimal capacity while also still sticking true to the philosophy of mafia and I’ve having trouble reckoning with that discrepancy

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:24 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:14 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:00 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 10:54 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2025 7:08 pm And that means if you are voted, just accept it instead of trying to defend yourself or convincing anyone not to vote you. Don't try to start a counterwagon for self pres either.

Unless you’re the king.

Hi, may I get your opinion on just about everything?

I’m caught up

Hi Foxy! We haven’t met, I don’t think! You seem rip-roaring and ready to go, and it’s a tricky situation.

I read the link and the ‘optimal strategy’ proposed on that wiki.
My initial take is a strategy that “allows the town a distinct advantage and turns the game into little more than a lottery” sounds good for us, but if I wanted to play the lottery, I’d go throw a dollar in my garbage chute.

Further, this strategy of no info or reads is so antithetical to how I’ve ever play mafia, it might as well not be mafia.

So Resistance: Avalon is my favorite game. I’ve played probably about ~2000 games. The strat proposed here reminds me of the games where the first 3 missions immediately, triggering the assassin to kill Merlin, at, at minimum, a 33% chance to hit. If they miss Merlin, everyone shrugs and we maybe play again. If they shoot Merlin, it feels cheap, but we all shrug. Those games
aren’t distinctly fun or engaging for either party, in my experience.

So…I dunno. I want to still do stuff at a minimal capacity while also still sticking true to the philosophy of mafia and I’ve having trouble reckoning with that discrepancy

That’s really cool because I’m learning Avalon right now and the logic can be really complex. I’m playing online on proavalon.com and I’m enjoying it for the most part even though I make noob mistakes sometimes.

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:20 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:14 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:00 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 10:54 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2025 7:08 pm And that means if you are voted, just accept it instead of trying to defend yourself or convincing anyone not to vote you. Don't try to start a counterwagon for self pres either.

Unless you’re the king.

Hi, may I get your opinion on just about everything?

I’m caught up

Hi Foxy! We haven’t met, I don’t think! You seem rip-roaring and ready to go, and it’s a tricky situation.

I read the link and the ‘optimal strategy’ proposed on that wiki.
My initial take is a strategy that “allows the town a distinct advantage and turns the game into little more than a lottery” sounds good for us, but if I wanted to play the lottery, I’d go throw a dollar in my garbage chute.

Further, this strategy of no info or reads is so antithetical to how I’ve ever play mafia, it might as well not be mafia.

So Resistance: Avalon is my favorite game. I’ve played probably about ~2000 games. The strat proposed here reminds me of the games where the first 3 missions immediately, triggering the assassin to kill Merlin, at, at minimum, a 33% chance to hit. If they miss Merlin, everyone shrugs and we maybe play again. If they shoot Merlin, it feels cheap, but we all shrug. Those games
aren’t distinctly fun or engaging for either party, in my experience.

So…I dunno. I want to still do stuff at a minimal capacity while also still sticking true to the philosophy of mafia and I’ve having trouble reckoning with that discrepancy

Nice! Glad that we are on the same page. Mind telling me your opinion about my two scum leans? What about my town leans? What about people I haven't mentioned. Nothing to note out of my read list?

Also, a little question, since you seem opinionated on how we shouldn't play the game, do you hold any more opinions? I am curious about how you see this setup and it's possible solutions? What way do you propose is best for us to go forward?

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:26 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:24 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:14 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:00 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 10:54 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2025 7:08 pm And that means if you are voted, just accept it instead of trying to defend yourself or convincing anyone not to vote you. Don't try to start a counterwagon for self pres either.

Unless you’re the king.

Hi, may I get your opinion on just about everything?

I’m caught up

Hi Foxy! We haven’t met, I don’t think! You seem rip-roaring and ready to go, and it’s a tricky situation.

I read the link and the ‘optimal strategy’ proposed on that wiki.
My initial take is a strategy that “allows the town a distinct advantage and turns the game into little more than a lottery” sounds good for us, but if I wanted to play the lottery, I’d go throw a dollar in my garbage chute.

Further, this strategy of no info or reads is so antithetical to how I’ve ever play mafia, it might as well not be mafia.

So Resistance: Avalon is my favorite game. I’ve played probably about ~2000 games. The strat proposed here reminds me of the games where the first 3 missions immediately, triggering the assassin to kill Merlin, at, at minimum, a 33% chance to hit. If they miss Merlin, everyone shrugs and we maybe play again. If they shoot Merlin, it feels cheap, but we all shrug. Those games
aren’t distinctly fun or engaging for either party, in my experience.

So…I dunno. I want to still do stuff at a minimal capacity while also still sticking true to the philosophy of mafia and I’ve having trouble reckoning with that discrepancy

That’s really cool because I’m learning Avalon right now and the logic can be really complex. I’m playing online on proavalon.com and I’m enjoying it for the most part even though I make noob mistakes sometimes.

Aye miss, if we veto that strategy (most likely scenario so answer seriously) what best thing do you propose? From Wolf persepctive, I'd like to know. What do you believe is best to do as a wolf?

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:28 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:20 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:14 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:00 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 10:54 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2025 7:08 pm And that means if you are voted, just accept it instead of trying to defend yourself or convincing anyone not to vote you. Don't try to start a counterwagon for self pres either.

Unless you’re the king.

Hi, may I get your opinion on just about everything?

I’m caught up

Hi Foxy! We haven’t met, I don’t think! You seem rip-roaring and ready to go, and it’s a tricky situation.

I read the link and the ‘optimal strategy’ proposed on that wiki.
My initial take is a strategy that “allows the town a distinct advantage and turns the game into little more than a lottery” sounds good for us, but if I wanted to play the lottery, I’d go throw a dollar in my garbage chute.

Further, this strategy of no info or reads is so antithetical to how I’ve ever play mafia, it might as well not be mafia.

So Resistance: Avalon is my favorite game. I’ve played probably about ~2000 games. The strat proposed here reminds me of the games where the first 3 missions immediately, triggering the assassin to kill Merlin, at, at minimum, a 33% chance to hit. If they miss Merlin, everyone shrugs and we maybe play again. If they shoot Merlin, it feels cheap, but we all shrug. Those games
aren’t distinctly fun or engaging for either party, in my experience.

So…I dunno. I want to still do stuff at a minimal capacity while also still sticking true to the philosophy of mafia and I’ve having trouble reckoning with that discrepancy

Nice! Glad that we are on the same page. Mind telling me your opinion about my two scum leans? What about my town leans? What about people I haven't mentioned. Nothing to note out of my read list?

Also, a little question, since you seem opinionated on how we shouldn't play the game, do you hold any more opinions? I am curious about how you see this setup and it's possible solutions? What way do you propose is best for us to go forward?

I don’t think I have any opinion on your scum reads at the moment. Definitely taking this game a little slower. Note that I am usually the high poster in my games…I usually can’t seem to shut up.

So this strategy of randomly voting feels like an idealistic enterprise. We either all have to do it or not. And those that don’t could very well be just shrug yeeted.

Yeah, that’s what I’m gonna call this game if it does that way. Shrug Yeets in the Palace. Doesn’t have as cool a ring as Assassins in the Palace or Razz-ma-Tazz or Fluffy Douglas (my porn name)

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:24 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:14 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:00 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 10:54 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2025 7:08 pm And that means if you are voted, just accept it instead of trying to defend yourself or convincing anyone not to vote you. Don't try to start a counterwagon for self pres either.

Unless you’re the king.

Hi, may I get your opinion on just about everything?

I’m caught up

Hi Foxy! We haven’t met, I don’t think! You seem rip-roaring and ready to go, and it’s a tricky situation.

I read the link and the ‘optimal strategy’ proposed on that wiki.
My initial take is a strategy that “allows the town a distinct advantage and turns the game into little more than a lottery” sounds good for us, but if I wanted to play the lottery, I’d go throw a dollar in my garbage chute.

Further, this strategy of no info or reads is so antithetical to how I’ve ever play mafia, it might as well not be mafia.

So Resistance: Avalon is my favorite game. I’ve played probably about ~2000 games. The strat proposed here reminds me of the games where the first 3 missions immediately, triggering the assassin to kill Merlin, at, at minimum, a 33% chance to hit. If they miss Merlin, everyone shrugs and we maybe play again. If they shoot Merlin, it feels cheap, but we all shrug. Those games
aren’t distinctly fun or engaging for either party, in my experience.

So…I dunno. I want to still do stuff at a minimal capacity while also still sticking true to the philosophy of mafia and I’ve having trouble reckoning with that discrepancy

That’s really cool because I’m learning Avalon right now and the logic can be really complex. I’m playing online on proavalon.com and I’m enjoying it for the most part even though I make noob mistakes sometimes.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:31 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:24 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:14 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:00 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 10:54 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2025 7:08 pm And that means if you are voted, just accept it instead of trying to defend yourself or convincing anyone not to vote you. Don't try to start a counterwagon for self pres either.

Unless you’re the king.

Hi, may I get your opinion on just about everything?

I’m caught up

Hi Foxy! We haven’t met, I don’t think! You seem rip-roaring and ready to go, and it’s a tricky situation.

I read the link and the ‘optimal strategy’ proposed on that wiki.
My initial take is a strategy that “allows the town a distinct advantage and turns the game into little more than a lottery” sounds good for us, but if I wanted to play the lottery, I’d go throw a dollar in my garbage chute.

Further, this strategy of no info or reads is so antithetical to how I’ve ever play mafia, it might as well not be mafia.

So Resistance: Avalon is my favorite game. I’ve played probably about ~2000 games. The strat proposed here reminds me of the games where the first 3 missions immediately, triggering the assassin to kill Merlin, at, at minimum, a 33% chance to hit. If they miss Merlin, everyone shrugs and we maybe play again. If they shoot Merlin, it feels cheap, but we all shrug. Those games
aren’t distinctly fun or engaging for either party, in my experience.

So…I dunno. I want to still do stuff at a minimal capacity while also still sticking true to the philosophy of mafia and I’ve having trouble reckoning with that discrepancy

That’s really cool because I’m learning Avalon right now and the logic can be really complex. I’m playing online on proavalon.com and I’m enjoying it for the most part even though I make noob mistakes sometimes.

Nice! I started with online Avalon and that actually brought me here, to forum mafia

Don’t worry about feeling nooby. After about 100 games I was the best player on the planet. After 1000 games, I realized that I’m not all that good, and actually might more of a noob than I thought. And that’s ok! I just love introducing people to the game and being a part of the magic

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:29 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:26 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:24 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:14 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:00 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 10:54 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2025 7:08 pm And that means if you are voted, just accept it instead of trying to defend yourself or convincing anyone not to vote you. Don't try to start a counterwagon for self pres either.

Unless you’re the king.

Hi, may I get your opinion on just about everything?

I’m caught up

Hi Foxy! We haven’t met, I don’t think! You seem rip-roaring and ready to go, and it’s a tricky situation.

I read the link and the ‘optimal strategy’ proposed on that wiki.
My initial take is a strategy that “allows the town a distinct advantage and turns the game into little more than a lottery” sounds good for us, but if I wanted to play the lottery, I’d go throw a dollar in my garbage chute.

Further, this strategy of no info or reads is so antithetical to how I’ve ever play mafia, it might as well not be mafia.

So Resistance: Avalon is my favorite game. I’ve played probably about ~2000 games. The strat proposed here reminds me of the games where the first 3 missions immediately, triggering the assassin to kill Merlin, at, at minimum, a 33% chance to hit. If they miss Merlin, everyone shrugs and we maybe play again. If they shoot Merlin, it feels cheap, but we all shrug. Those games
aren’t distinctly fun or engaging for either party, in my experience.

So…I dunno. I want to still do stuff at a minimal capacity while also still sticking true to the philosophy of mafia and I’ve having trouble reckoning with that discrepancy

That’s really cool because I’m learning Avalon right now and the logic can be really complex. I’m playing online on proavalon.com and I’m enjoying it for the most part even though I make noob mistakes sometimes.

Aye miss, if we veto that strategy (most likely scenario so answer seriously) what best thing do you propose? From Wolf persepctive, I'd like to know. What do you believe is best to do as a wolf?

Probably just as close to it as you feel would still make a fun game. I don’t mind talking off topic for fun but I’ll personally give minimal info in terms of reads this game.

I’d say if you are outing reads, leave outing your reads to a small amount of scum reads and try not to state town reads or do full read lists.

I’m not going to help the wolves. :P

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:34 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:29 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:26 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:24 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:14 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:00 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 10:54 am
Unless you’re the king.

Hi, may I get your opinion on just about everything?

I’m caught up

Hi Foxy! We haven’t met, I don’t think! You seem rip-roaring and ready to go, and it’s a tricky situation.

I read the link and the ‘optimal strategy’ proposed on that wiki.
My initial take is a strategy that “allows the town a distinct advantage and turns the game into little more than a lottery” sounds good for us, but if I wanted to play the lottery, I’d go throw a dollar in my garbage chute.

Further, this strategy of no info or reads is so antithetical to how I’ve ever play mafia, it might as well not be mafia.

So Resistance: Avalon is my favorite game. I’ve played probably about ~2000 games. The strat proposed here reminds me of the games where the first 3 missions immediately, triggering the assassin to kill Merlin, at, at minimum, a 33% chance to hit. If they miss Merlin, everyone shrugs and we maybe play again. If they shoot Merlin, it feels cheap, but we all shrug. Those games
aren’t distinctly fun or engaging for either party, in my experience.

So…I dunno. I want to still do stuff at a minimal capacity while also still sticking true to the philosophy of mafia and I’ve having trouble reckoning with that discrepancy

That’s really cool because I’m learning Avalon right now and the logic can be really complex. I’m playing online on proavalon.com and I’m enjoying it for the most part even though I make noob mistakes sometimes.

Aye miss, if we veto that strategy (most likely scenario so answer seriously) what best thing do you propose? From Wolf persepctive, I'd like to know. What do you believe is best to do as a wolf?

Probably just as close to it as you feel would still make a fun game. I don’t mind talking off topic for fun but I’ll personally give minimal info in terms of reads this game.

I’d say if you are outing reads, leave outing your reads to a small amount of scum reads and try not to state town reads or do full read lists.

I’m not going to help the wolves. :P

Miss, this is a game of deception. You are allowed to lie, buss, distance, ignore, power push. I don't think that giving minimal reads is a healthy environment for any game but if you do believe that's the best strategy, I can only respect that and if I don't like it, answer with a vote.

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:34 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:29 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:26 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:24 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:14 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:00 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 10:54 am
Unless you’re the king.

Hi, may I get your opinion on just about everything?

I’m caught up

Hi Foxy! We haven’t met, I don’t think! You seem rip-roaring and ready to go, and it’s a tricky situation.

I read the link and the ‘optimal strategy’ proposed on that wiki.
My initial take is a strategy that “allows the town a distinct advantage and turns the game into little more than a lottery” sounds good for us, but if I wanted to play the lottery, I’d go throw a dollar in my garbage chute.

Further, this strategy of no info or reads is so antithetical to how I’ve ever play mafia, it might as well not be mafia.

So Resistance: Avalon is my favorite game. I’ve played probably about ~2000 games. The strat proposed here reminds me of the games where the first 3 missions immediately, triggering the assassin to kill Merlin, at, at minimum, a 33% chance to hit. If they miss Merlin, everyone shrugs and we maybe play again. If they shoot Merlin, it feels cheap, but we all shrug. Those games
aren’t distinctly fun or engaging for either party, in my experience.

So…I dunno. I want to still do stuff at a minimal capacity while also still sticking true to the philosophy of mafia and I’ve having trouble reckoning with that discrepancy

That’s really cool because I’m learning Avalon right now and the logic can be really complex. I’m playing online on proavalon.com and I’m enjoying it for the most part even though I make noob mistakes sometimes.

Aye miss, if we veto that strategy (most likely scenario so answer seriously) what best thing do you propose? From Wolf persepctive, I'd like to know. What do you believe is best to do as a wolf?

Probably just as close to it as you feel would still make a fun game. I don’t mind talking off topic for fun but I’ll personally give minimal info in terms of reads this game.

I’d say if you are outing reads, leave outing your reads to a small amount of scum reads and try not to state town reads or do full read lists.

I’m not going to help the wolves. :P

Miss, this is a game of deception. You are allowed to lie, buss, distance, ignore, power push. I don't think that giving minimal reads is a healthy environment for any game but if you do believe that's the best strategy, I can only respect that and if I don't like it, answer with a vote.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:39 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:34 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:29 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:26 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:24 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:14 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:00 am

Hi, may I get your opinion on just about everything?

I’m caught up

Hi Foxy! We haven’t met, I don’t think! You seem rip-roaring and ready to go, and it’s a tricky situation.

I read the link and the ‘optimal strategy’ proposed on that wiki.
My initial take is a strategy that “allows the town a distinct advantage and turns the game into little more than a lottery” sounds good for us, but if I wanted to play the lottery, I’d go throw a dollar in my garbage chute.

Further, this strategy of no info or reads is so antithetical to how I’ve ever play mafia, it might as well not be mafia.

So Resistance: Avalon is my favorite game. I’ve played probably about ~2000 games. The strat proposed here reminds me of the games where the first 3 missions immediately, triggering the assassin to kill Merlin, at, at minimum, a 33% chance to hit. If they miss Merlin, everyone shrugs and we maybe play again. If they shoot Merlin, it feels cheap, but we all shrug. Those games
aren’t distinctly fun or engaging for either party, in my experience.

So…I dunno. I want to still do stuff at a minimal capacity while also still sticking true to the philosophy of mafia and I’ve having trouble reckoning with that discrepancy

That’s really cool because I’m learning Avalon right now and the logic can be really complex. I’m playing online on proavalon.com and I’m enjoying it for the most part even though I make noob mistakes sometimes.

Aye miss, if we veto that strategy (most likely scenario so answer seriously) what best thing do you propose? From Wolf persepctive, I'd like to know. What do you believe is best to do as a wolf?

Probably just as close to it as you feel would still make a fun game. I don’t mind talking off topic for fun but I’ll personally give minimal info in terms of reads this game.

I’d say if you are outing reads, leave outing your reads to a small amount of scum reads and try not to state town reads or do full read lists.

I’m not going to help the wolves. :P

Miss, this is a game of deception. You are allowed to lie, buss, distance, ignore, power push. I don't think that giving minimal reads is a healthy environment for any game but if you do believe that's the best strategy, I can only respect that and if I don't like it, answer with a vote.

I’m not going to force you or anyone to play the same way I do.

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:41 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:39 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:34 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:29 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:26 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:24 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:14 am
I’m caught up

Hi Foxy! We haven’t met, I don’t think! You seem rip-roaring and ready to go, and it’s a tricky situation.

I read the link and the ‘optimal strategy’ proposed on that wiki.
My initial take is a strategy that “allows the town a distinct advantage and turns the game into little more than a lottery” sounds good for us, but if I wanted to play the lottery, I’d go throw a dollar in my garbage chute.

Further, this strategy of no info or reads is so antithetical to how I’ve ever play mafia, it might as well not be mafia.

So Resistance: Avalon is my favorite game. I’ve played probably about ~2000 games. The strat proposed here reminds me of the games where the first 3 missions immediately, triggering the assassin to kill Merlin, at, at minimum, a 33% chance to hit. If they miss Merlin, everyone shrugs and we maybe play again. If they shoot Merlin, it feels cheap, but we all shrug. Those games
aren’t distinctly fun or engaging for either party, in my experience.

So…I dunno. I want to still do stuff at a minimal capacity while also still sticking true to the philosophy of mafia and I’ve having trouble reckoning with that discrepancy

That’s really cool because I’m learning Avalon right now and the logic can be really complex. I’m playing online on proavalon.com and I’m enjoying it for the most part even though I make noob mistakes sometimes.

Aye miss, if we veto that strategy (most likely scenario so answer seriously) what best thing do you propose? From Wolf persepctive, I'd like to know. What do you believe is best to do as a wolf?

Probably just as close to it as you feel would still make a fun game. I don’t mind talking off topic for fun but I’ll personally give minimal info in terms of reads this game.

I’d say if you are outing reads, leave outing your reads to a small amount of scum reads and try not to state town reads or do full read lists.

I’m not going to help the wolves. :P

Miss, this is a game of deception. You are allowed to lie, buss, distance, ignore, power push. I don't think that giving minimal reads is a healthy environment for any game but if you do believe that's the best strategy, I can only respect that and if I don't like it, answer with a vote.

I’m not going to force you or anyone to play the same way I do.

I feel a bit bad now hahah but this is part of game, don't take any bad feelings. Btw, what was that avylon game you guys talked about? I never heard of it

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:50 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:41 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:39 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:34 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:29 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:26 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:24 am

That’s really cool because I’m learning Avalon right now and the logic can be really complex. I’m playing online on proavalon.com and I’m enjoying it for the most part even though I make noob mistakes sometimes.

Aye miss, if we veto that strategy (most likely scenario so answer seriously) what best thing do you propose? From Wolf persepctive, I'd like to know. What do you believe is best to do as a wolf?

Probably just as close to it as you feel would still make a fun game. I don’t mind talking off topic for fun but I’ll personally give minimal info in terms of reads this game.

I’d say if you are outing reads, leave outing your reads to a small amount of scum reads and try not to state town reads or do full read lists.

I’m not going to help the wolves. :P

Miss, this is a game of deception. You are allowed to lie, buss, distance, ignore, power push. I don't think that giving minimal reads is a healthy environment for any game but if you do believe that's the best strategy, I can only respect that and if I don't like it, answer with a vote.

I’m not going to force you or anyone to play the same way I do.

I feel a bit bad now hahah but this is part of game, don't take any bad feelings. Btw, what was that avylon game you guys talked about? I never heard of it

No hard feelings, this isn’t the first time people have disagreed with the way I play and it’s not the first time people have scumread me for it. In response to one of your questions no, I’m not mafia.

And I’m actually trying to figure out the answers to some of your earlier questions because while my strategy is a good idea for 6 player AITP I kind of want to see how it translates to 13 player AITP and if it’s any different.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:51 am Oh and it’s called The Resistance: Avalon and it’s kind of similar to this game in that there’s one townie that has to hide from the mafia, but it also has missions instead of voting people out.

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:52 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:50 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:41 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:39 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:34 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:29 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:26 am
Aye miss, if we veto that strategy (most likely scenario so answer seriously) what best thing do you propose? From Wolf persepctive, I'd like to know. What do you believe is best to do as a wolf?

Probably just as close to it as you feel would still make a fun game. I don’t mind talking off topic for fun but I’ll personally give minimal info in terms of reads this game.

I’d say if you are outing reads, leave outing your reads to a small amount of scum reads and try not to state town reads or do full read lists.

I’m not going to help the wolves. :P

Miss, this is a game of deception. You are allowed to lie, buss, distance, ignore, power push. I don't think that giving minimal reads is a healthy environment for any game but if you do believe that's the best strategy, I can only respect that and if I don't like it, answer with a vote.

I’m not going to force you or anyone to play the same way I do.

I feel a bit bad now hahah but this is part of game, don't take any bad feelings. Btw, what was that avylon game you guys talked about? I never heard of it

No hard feelings, this isn’t the first time people have disagreed with the way I play and it’s not the first time people have scumread me for it. In response to one of your questions no, I’m not mafia.

And I’m actually trying to figure out the answers to some of your earlier questions because while my strategy is a good idea for 6 player AITP I kind of want to see how it translates to 13 player AITP and if it’s any different.

Just to check in, you don't feel uncomfortable with me engaging in this discussion more as I sure do have questions to ask?

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:53 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:51 am Oh and it’s called The Resistance: Avalon and it’s kind of similar to this game in that there’s one townie that has to hide from the mafia, but it also has missions instead of voting people out.

Interesting. Forum/Application on PC/phone? Competitive like Counter strike and similar or just casual without any real ranking?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 12:04 pm

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:52 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:50 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:41 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:39 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:34 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:29 am

Probably just as close to it as you feel would still make a fun game. I don’t mind talking off topic for fun but I’ll personally give minimal info in terms of reads this game.

I’d say if you are outing reads, leave outing your reads to a small amount of scum reads and try not to state town reads or do full read lists.

I’m not going to help the wolves. :P

Miss, this is a game of deception. You are allowed to lie, buss, distance, ignore, power push. I don't think that giving minimal reads is a healthy environment for any game but if you do believe that's the best strategy, I can only respect that and if I don't like it, answer with a vote.

I’m not going to force you or anyone to play the same way I do.

I feel a bit bad now hahah but this is part of game, don't take any bad feelings. Btw, what was that avylon game you guys talked about? I never heard of it

No hard feelings, this isn’t the first time people have disagreed with the way I play and it’s not the first time people have scumread me for it. In response to one of your questions no, I’m not mafia.

And I’m actually trying to figure out the answers to some of your earlier questions because while my strategy is a good idea for 6 player AITP I kind of want to see how it translates to 13 player AITP and if it’s any different.

Just to check in, you don't feel uncomfortable with me engaging in this discussion more as I sure do have questions to ask?

I don’t think this discussion is too bad because it kind of continues what’s already there so idt we’re giving the assassins much new info. Giving lots of reads is what we have to be most careful of.

It looks like about a 70% chance town is able to kill both assassins before they reach parity if we eliminate by random (because I’m a nerd and felt like making a script for it). We can use the info we already have and any new info to increase that chance, but we’re already in a pretty good spot for eliminating both assassins. The assassins aren’t in such a good spot from the start, they have to get more info to be able to make good shots.

And Avalon does have a ranking system and sometimes tournaments but I’ve never played one.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 12:05 pm

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:53 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:51 am Oh and it’s called The Resistance: Avalon and it’s kind of similar to this game in that there’s one townie that has to hide from the mafia, but it also has missions instead of voting people out.

Interesting. Forum/Application on PC/phone? Competitive like Counter strike and similar or just casual without any real ranking?

It’s a website, proavalon.com. Some people take it pretty seriously and aren’t always nice so it’s probably best to start with spectating or unranked games before jumping in to ranked ones.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 12:07 pm I AM TOWN!



Mandrake, do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk... ice cream. Ice cream, Mandrake, children's ice cream!

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 10:13 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 10:12 am Why does every site except my home one lack good emojis and liking messages. This is theft! Stealing enjoyment from us! May I complain to the mod for this game. Lemme find who that is

JaggedJimmyJay Sir, I respectfully have a suggestion to make. Mind looking into those? If indecisive, Blobs are cute, I love blobs.

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 10:36 am Why do I always join inactive games, am I cursed?

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 9:07 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2025 7:15 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2025 7:06 pm Hi everyone!

This game is pretty different from mafia. In mafia you want to give a lot of info and in AITP you want to give as little info as possible.

If everyone talks a lot and gives read lists it will be super easy for the assassins to deduce who the king is just by looking at who nobody wants to kill.

But if don't talk and just collectively vote off the first person to get run up with votes each day, the assassins don't have much info to work with and can't make accurate shots. There is no night phase so we have guards to spare and losing a guard isn't a big deal.

This sounds superfun. We should also each agree to only vote the player below us, all game. Each vote a tie, Russian Roulette No Info, and anyone who deviates is an Assassin.

Hi kind sir, may I ask, from 1 to 11, how town are you usually? If you were to describe your townie self currently, what would be the perfect description?

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 12:07 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 12:04 pm

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:52 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:50 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:41 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:39 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:34 am

Miss, this is a game of deception. You are allowed to lie, buss, distance, ignore, power push. I don't think that giving minimal reads is a healthy environment for any game but if you do believe that's the best strategy, I can only respect that and if I don't like it, answer with a vote.

I’m not going to force you or anyone to play the same way I do.

I feel a bit bad now hahah but this is part of game, don't take any bad feelings. Btw, what was that avylon game you guys talked about? I never heard of it

No hard feelings, this isn’t the first time people have disagreed with the way I play and it’s not the first time people have scumread me for it. In response to one of your questions no, I’m not mafia.

And I’m actually trying to figure out the answers to some of your earlier questions because while my strategy is a good idea for 6 player AITP I kind of want to see how it translates to 13 player AITP and if it’s any different.

Just to check in, you don't feel uncomfortable with me engaging in this discussion more as I sure do have questions to ask?

I don’t think this discussion is too bad because it kind of continues what’s already there so idt we’re giving the assassins much new info. Giving lots of reads is what we have to be most careful of.

It looks like about a 70% chance town is able to kill both assassins before they reach parity if we eliminate by random (because I’m a nerd and felt like making a script for it). We can use the info we already have and any new info to increase that chance, but we’re already in a pretty good spot for eliminating both assassins. The assassins aren’t in such a good spot from the start, they have to get more info to be able to make good shots.

And Avalon does have a ranking system and sometimes tournaments but I’ve never played one.

0. I was asking if I was personally making you feel uncomfy hahah as you didn't seem engaging at the start. Glad that's not the case.
1. What makes you believe that eliminations will be random?
2. Can you show me the process behind the calculations?
3. Oh nice, I might check out the game.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 12:15 pm

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 10:13 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 10:12 am Why does every site except my home one lack good emojis and liking messages. This is theft! Stealing enjoyment from us! May I complain to the mod for this game. Lemme find who that is

JaggedJimmyJay Sir, I respectfully have a suggestion to make. Mind looking into those? If indecisive, Blobs are cute, I love blobs.

Rude.

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 10:36 am Why do I always join inactive games, am I cursed?

For players in North America (EST), you are spam-posting between 8 and 10am on Tuesday morning. People have jobs. You need to cut the caffeine or something, there is no need to spaz out on a game that is still within its 24-hour check-in, pre-start phase.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 12:16 pm

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 9:07 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2025 7:15 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2025 7:06 pm Hi everyone!

This game is pretty different from mafia. In mafia you want to give a lot of info and in AITP you want to give as little info as possible.

If everyone talks a lot and gives read lists it will be super easy for the assassins to deduce who the king is just by looking at who nobody wants to kill.

But if don't talk and just collectively vote off the first person to get run up with votes each day, the assassins don't have much info to work with and can't make accurate shots. There is no night phase so we have guards to spare and losing a guard isn't a big deal.

This sounds superfun. We should also each agree to only vote the player below us, all game. Each vote a tie, Russian Roulette No Info, and anyone who deviates is an Assassin.

Hi kind sir, may I ask, from 1 to 11, how town are you usually? If you were to describe your townie self currently, what would be the perfect description?

One. I am 1 usually. I don't have a townie self.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 12:18 pm I appreciate foxy's insights on strategy and he's made me want to lean more toward playing it like a normal mafia game (with a cop peek hiding kind of strategy). I didn't think thunal's idea to more or less random shrugyeet made much sense but I'm somewhere in between the two camps. I'm certainly not convinced she's scum pushing a bad strat on purpose.

Foxy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 9:11 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2025 7:17 pm Ok I picked “Other” and am writing in Galadriel <3

So @Thunal33 yeah I figured read lists were bad (yay I still feel like I’m target painting naming town reads).

In addition, based on the rules, pushing a tie would have to be a really bad look.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2025 7:24 pm Well. Two way ties would be bad, but a 16 way tie could work? Especially with no NKs?

Young miss, in my humble opinion, pushing ties isn't necessarily anti-town. The thing is, you see, we know who the King is. So pushing a tie can and will serve to confuse scum (I like to call mafia scum, I hope no one takes offense. If they do, voice it out and I'll stop). Deciding not to do ties is if anything, anti-town in my opinion. But uh well, it really depends on the situation.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 12:18 pm I appreciate foxy's insights on strategy and he's made me want to lean more toward playing it like a normal mafia game (with a cop peek hiding kind of strategy). I didn't think thunal's idea to more or less random shrugyeet made much sense but I'm somewhere in between the two camps. I'm certainly not convinced she's scum pushing a bad strat on purpose.